View Full Version : Cousins = PSD!
jsg_magpies
16 Oct 2007, 22:45
There is no doubt that after Cousins latest incident, West coast will sack the former Captain. If Cuz doesnt retire and wants to continue playing AFL, would you offer him a contract at your club next year via the PSD.
Its a tough call!
Everyone questions his playing future.
shewho3
16 Oct 2007, 23:00
PSD or LSD?
LeFtBehinD
16 Oct 2007, 23:01
Definate yes.
There is no doubt that after Cousins latest incident, West coast will sack the former Captain. If Cuz doesnt retire and wants to continue playing AFL, would you offer him a contract at your club next year via the PSD.
Its a tough call!
Everyone questions his playing future.
No chance. Don't want him anywhere near my club.
I think his career is finished now
dylan101
16 Oct 2007, 23:03
absolutely no chance that Crows would pick him up, I very much doubt anyone will
ThePope
16 Oct 2007, 23:10
The AFL might deregister him and not allow him to nominate.
Lovett Lover 13
16 Oct 2007, 23:15
The AFL might deregister him and not allow him to nominate.
or he could be in jail lol
if he wanted to continue his career, there is the st.kilda connection with gardiner
He might not be able to go in the PSD.....he might still be in jail!!! :D
Benny would fit in well at us, don't deregister him, he is a star:thumbsu:
Mitchell ,Hodge, Cousins, Lewis Crawford.
Cousins2Franklin;)
Black JuJu
16 Oct 2007, 23:59
I'd say there would be more chance he is 'indefinitely suspended' again until after the nomination period personally.
Tommyneu
17 Oct 2007, 00:00
Cousins2Franklin
How ironic.
dukester95
17 Oct 2007, 00:02
If he is free on bail would make a nice addition alongside Judd. ;)
Tommyneu
17 Oct 2007, 00:04
If he is free on bail would make a nice addition alongside Judd. ;)
Lol Judd would be so angry if Carlton recruited Cousins. He wanted to get away from him!
dukester95
17 Oct 2007, 00:06
....I've sussed it. WC are trying to merge with Carlton by stealth. Expect Cox, Kerr etc. to stuff up big next year and get traded to CFC for pick 5 and J Bannister. :D
dukester95
17 Oct 2007, 00:10
Lol Judd would be so angry if Carlton recruited Cousins. He wanted to get away from him!
Cuz could just tell Juddy to take a chill pill.......oops
Cuz could just tell Juddy to take a chill pill.......oops
Ice the drug jokes champ. Your treading a fine line. I'm sure Cuz will snort it out in no time.
buddylove_23
17 Oct 2007, 00:29
I can't see him playing next season. He need to sort himself out first!
bluesboy
17 Oct 2007, 00:44
PSD or LSD?
lmao, to pick him up in PSD will be like playin with fire
notting18
17 Oct 2007, 00:46
If cut from the Eagles the AFL will not let him be picked up by any other club!
Doubt he'll be available to anyone. I honestly don't think he'll play another game of AFL football again.
For the merit and honour of not only the Australian Football League but Australian football in general, Cousins should unselfishly retire and not want to be a part of an AFL club again. If he does, a definite smear campaign should be launched against he and the club who recruits him.
I genuinely hate this man.
Lucky Sheedy got sacked, because Essendon are scum when it comes to situations like this, Sheedy would be on the phone tommorow.
Congratulations Ben Cousins on ruining your life, and the lives of those around you. Koudos on completely smearing an otherwise illustrious career that would may one day have seen you an AFL HOF member. Well done on shattering your teammates after being their spiritual leader for so long. Thank- you for forcing thousands of parents to explain to their kids why suddenly their favourite player is half naked being carried away by police. And from a nuetral fan thank- you for bringing our otherwise beautiful game into disrepute.
You are a pathetic and disgusting human being. A man who I wouldn't even shake his hand if he held it out to say hello. You make me sick.
For the merit and honour of not only the Australian Football League but Australian football in general, Cousins should unselfishly retire and not want to be a part of an AFL club again. If he does, a definite smear campaign should be launched against he and the club who recruits him.
I genuinely hate this man.
Lucky Sheedy got sacked, because Essendon are scum when it comes to situations like this, Sheedy would be on the phone tommorow.
Congratulations Ben Cousins on ruining your life, and the lives of those around you. Koudos on completely smearing an otherwise illustrious career that would may one day have seen you an AFL HOF member. Well done on shattering your teammates after being their spiritual leader for so long. Thank- you for forcing thousands of parents to explain to their kids why suddenly their favourite player is half naked being carried away by police. And from a nuetral fan thank- you for bringing our otherwise beautiful game into disrepute.
You are a pathetic and disgusting human being. A man who I wouldn't even shake his hand if he held it out to say hello. You make me sick.
Wow, you really don't like Benny. What ever happened to forgiveness... I say give him another go.
I'd love to take him but the shame is just too much for my club to wear.
Edit - no not the drug charges ...the fact that he played for West Coast - I just couldn't look past it.
this coming from someone who I'm guessing has a forgive all stance to mr A Didak nights of fun... or are you one of the many that don't think alchohol abuse is just another form of substance abuse. Alchohol is a drug too...
I don't want cousins at my club and i agree Wholeheartedly that he is a disgrace, but I don't think the AFL can stop him participating otherwise it would have to stop all the other idiots that get caught up each year in the "lifestyle". let us remember that cousins hasn't ever actually been caught using drugs.. and possession of what is reported to be minimal amounts of drugs is an offense that will carry a fine and unlikely to result in jail time...
WC will be forced to sack him (fear of supporter backlash) and he will nominate for the psd and then hopefully all 16 clubs will turn their back on him and all players will be aware that if you do drugs you won't play football...
this coming from someone who I'm guessing has a forgive all stance to mr A Didak nights of fun... or are you one of the many that don't think alchohol abuse is just another form of substance abuse. Alchohol is a drug too...
I don't want cousins at my club and i agree Wholeheartedly that he is a disgrace, but I don't think the AFL can stop him participating otherwise it would have to stop all the other idiots that get caught up each year in the "lifestyle". let us remember that cousins hasn't ever actually been caught using drugs.. and possession of what is reported to be minimal amounts of drugs is an offense that will carry a fine and unlikely to result in jail time...
WC will be forced to sack him (fear of supporter backlash) and he will nominate for the psd and then hopefully all 16 clubs will turn their back on him and all players will be aware that if you do drugs you won't play football...
He's admitted to taking drugs, what proof do you need that he is taking them. It doesn't matter if he's been caught.
Don't assume I have forgiven Didak just because you have a stereotypical view of Collingwood fans. Assuming makes you look like a ********. There is nothing to forgive Didak for, except to say be careful who you hang out with from now on.
And besides, what Didak did cannot be compared to what Cousins is doing. Cousins has lied to his club over years, and continues to betray them despite all their profound efforts to support him, in a matter far more serious and dangerous to the community than bloody alcohol abuse. Drugs are illegal you moron, alcohol is not you moron, players get drunk all the time you moron, and what Didak did was go out get pissed (in the off season) with some dude he didn't know was a murderous maniac, then get in a car with him assuming they were going back to his place for drinks. Didak merely got caught out in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong people.
The issue isn't how insignificant (you think) he's actions are and whether they'll carry legal punishment, it's the disrepute he has brought upon the West Coast Eagles, the AFL and aussie rules football. The AFL should stop him from nominating, better yet, Cousins should stop himself. And to all those players who get caught up in the 'lifestyle', they should be stopped too, why not?
Wow, you really don't like Benny. What ever happened to forgiveness... I say give him another go.
I lost a cousin at 25 because of drug abuse, he went down the wrong path in his life and paid the ultimate price for it.
Cousins is a drug addict who despite the profound efforts of his loved ones and his club who have stood by him for so long to help him, he arrogantly continues to destroy his life and others. Cousins has been offered a second chance, the chance to get his life back on track, a chance my cousin never got.
It pisses me off that these footballers like Cousins live such a brilliant lifestyle, yet put it all at such a risk to merely fulfill their ego's and be part of the 'scene'.
That is why this sick man will never get any bloody forgiveness from me, and if you think he deserves it, in my book your'e no better than he is.
yes, your use of stars and the cutting insult of "moron" has certainly changed my stereotypical view of a collingwood fan... thank you.
fact: Alchohol kills 16X more ppl in this country each year than drugs.
fact: The history of alchohol abuse in Australia is widespread. Alchohol would be illegal under the same justifications that drugs are except no government had the guts to attempt it. Also the government can not afford to lose the revenue generated by our nations love of a drink. see wikipedia under "prohibition".
fact: If you, like 80% of our driving population have ever been give a ticket for speeding, parking, not wearing a seatbelt etc, then you have broken the law also.
I will await your fabulously worded rebuttal that I'm sure will include more personal attacks and feable insults rather than an intelligent and robust debate about the topic at hand.
To help you out:
MY MAIN POINT:
That cousins has not been found guilty of taking drugs: hence AFL has no power to act except under the "bringing game into disrepute rule". IFF (and yes it is meant to have 2 F's, that stands for "if and only if") the AFL invoke this clause then they open a floodgate of potential "forced delistments" such as didak for similiar acts that "bring the game into disrepute".
oh and before you lash out: I do like the occasional drink, i don't do drugs, neither do I take early morning rides with murderous biker gang members and watch pot shots being taken at police...
I lost a cousin at 25 because of drug abuse, he went down the wrong path in his life and paid the ultimate price for it.
Cousins is a drug addict who despite the profound efforts of his loved ones and his club who have stood by him for so long to help him, he arrogantly continues to destroy his life and others. Cousins has been offered a second chance, the chance to get his life back on track, a chance my cousin never got.
It pisses me off that these footballers like Cousins live such a brilliant lifestyle, yet put it all at such a risk to merely fulfill their ego's and be part of the 'scene'.
That is why this sick man will never get any bloody forgiveness from me, and if you think he deserves it, in my book your'e no better than he is.
i am sorry for your lost. I lost three of my best friends in a drink driving accident. I lost family members to liver related diseases bought on by excessive drinking. So hopefully you can understand that we all get angry at the things that take our loved ones away. the fact that alchohol is legal does not make it any safer or better when abused. i too think cousins should not be allowed to play football but I think that decision should be made by the clubs rejecting him in the psd or him having the sense not to nominate. I think that will send a stronger message than the AFL banning him for life as that opens up a whole series of players to investigation. i would actually welcome more players being deregistered. maybe that could show some of them how lucky they are to get payed to play the game they love.
yes, your use of stars and the cutting insult of "moron" has certainly changed my stereotypical view of a collingwood fan... thank you.
fact: Alchohol kills 16X more ppl in this country each year than drugs.
fact: The history of alchohol abuse in Australia is widespread. Alchohol would be illegal under the same justifications that drugs are except no government had the guts to attempt it. Also the government can not afford to lose the revenue generated by our nations love of a drink. see wikipedia under "prohibition".
fact: If you, like 80% of our driving population have ever been give a ticket for speeding, parking, not wearing a seatbelt etc, then you have broken the law also.
I will await your fabulously worded rebuttal that I'm sure will include more personal attacks and feable insults rather than an intelligent and robust debate about the topic at hand.
To help you out:
MY MAIN POINT:
That cousins has not been found guilty of taking drugs: hence AFL has no power to act except under the "bringing game into disrepute rule". IFF (and yes it is meant to have 2 F's, that stands for "if and only if") the AFL invoke this clause then they open a floodgate of potential "forced delistments" such as didak for similiar acts that "bring the game into disrepute".
oh and before you lash out: I do like the occasional drink, i don't do drugs, neither do I take early morning rides with murderous biker gang members and watch pot shots being taken at police...
Did you ever hear me say that alcohol abuse wasn't a serious and pressing issue? No, I merely stated that drug abuse: is for one illegal and far more dangerous in terms of it's effects.
I couldn't give a shit about those stats, what a waste of time, I know how damaging alcohol abuse is to the community.
How was Didak to know they were a murderous biker gang, how was he to know that man was part of a gang at all until he was taken to the headquarters, how was he to know they were going to go out and fire at police? Didak may have brought the game into disrepute but it wasn't through his actions. As I stated earlier he was caught out in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people, which he was ignorant to before it happened.
Nothing he could have done, except to go to the extreme that he can't go out drinking and talk to people, would have stopped what happened.
Cousins might not have been found guilty of taking drugs in this case, but he has admitted to taking them in the past and has once again degraded the reputation of our sport by putting himself in dangerous situations, the AFL should have every right to act. Because enough is enough.
i am sorry for your lost. I lost three of my best friends in a drink driving accident. I lost family members to liver related diseases bought on by excessive drinking. So hopefully you can understand that we all get angry at the things that take our loved ones away. the fact that alchohol is legal does not make it any safer or better when abused. i too think cousins should not be allowed to play football but I think that decision should be made by the clubs rejecting him in the psd or him having the sense not to nominate. I think that will send a stronger message than the AFL banning him for life as that opens up a whole series of players to investigation. i would actually welcome more players being deregistered. maybe that could show some of them how lucky they are to get payed to play the game they love.
fair enough and I too apologise.
You keep stating drugs are far more dangerous in their effects: this is clearly not the case, hence why i told you the supposedly "irrelevant" stats!!
so why is didak, wrong place, wrong time, any worse than cousins getting caught wrong place and wrong time with drugs in his car? if he doesn't get pulled over then we know nothing about it. NOT that I think this is acceptable, I have said all along IT IS NOT.
Also if you believe that no one at collingwood uses drugs you would be deluded, just as i would at essendon. drugs are a community wide problem and there is no reason why footballers are immunie, if anything they are at increased risk.. so what if the car carrying didak had been pulled over and (quite possibly) drugs were found in the car... would you have him deregistered... or use the same "wrong place, wrong time" theory?
I hope WC gets tough but I hoped CFC would too with Didak, but ultimately they didn't and I think the same with happen with cousins.
I'm sorry I have become focussed on didak, I could have mentioned fev or several others. I guess i just don't want one player singled out. cousins obviously has a severe issue and as you should know, that doesn't go away easily. However from all reports Didak and Fev have just as big a problem with Alchohol.
Anyway I'm happy to leave it with cousins is an idiot and lets hope he doesn't play another AFL game ever. thank you for responding without the need for personal insults.
fair enough and I too apologise.
thank you, clearly an issue close to our hearts. Another example of how our beautiful game can bring us together and be a beacon in our community. a perfect example of why those who would threaten its image and stability must be punished and exiled. Good night and Good luck.
Barry Zuckercorn QC
17 Oct 2007, 03:58
Greg Miller would. Just to keep Benny "honest" :thumbsu:
NQTIGER
17 Oct 2007, 08:33
Benny would fit in well at us, don't deregister him, he is a star:thumbsu:
Mitchell ,Hodge, Cousins, Lewis Crawford.
Cousins2Franklin;)
ur right about that
Lol Judd would be so angry if Carlton recruited Cousins. He wanted to get away from him!
Exactly, there is no way Judd would want him at our club. We have to many young kids to let cousins near.
The Cork Soaker
17 Oct 2007, 09:05
Hey ALM 30, for someone who stated they hadn't forgiven Didak for jumping in a car with a homicidal maniac, you certainly spent a lot time time and words making excuses for him.
Ben Cousins is gooooone as an AFL player. He has refused to submit to a drug test which is the same as providing a positive result, automatic six month suspension of licence and a fine apparently. So finally the AFL will have something to hang their hat on.
The whole point of the AFL three strikes policy is about maintaining annonymity for those who test positive to illegal drugs. The reason for this is to try and maximise the opportunity to rehabilitate and educate the individual without the added pressure of media spotlight.
With the cousin's case the whole issue of annonimity were taken out of the club and the AFL's hands by
a) Cousins erratic behaviour last year
b) the alleged incident at Chick's place
c) his own public admission
d) yesterday's events
The AFL will have no choice but to intervene.
suspect1
17 Oct 2007, 10:15
He's admitted to taking drugs, what proof do you need that he is taking them. It doesn't matter if he's been caught.
Don't assume I have forgiven Didak just because you have a stereotypical view of Collingwood fans. Assuming makes you look like a ********. There is nothing to forgive Didak for, except to say be careful who you hang out with from now on.
And besides, what Didak did cannot be compared to what Cousins is doing. Cousins has lied to his club over years, and continues to betray them despite all their profound efforts to support him, in a matter far more serious and dangerous to the community than bloody alcohol abuse. Drugs are illegal you moron, alcohol is not you moron, players get drunk all the time you moron, and what Didak did was go out get pissed (in the off season) with some dude he didn't know was a murderous maniac, then get in a car with him assuming they were going back to his place for drinks. Didak merely got caught out in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong people.
The issue isn't how insignificant (you think) he's actions are and whether they'll carry legal punishment, it's the disrepute he has brought upon the West Coast Eagles, the AFL and aussie rules football. The AFL should stop him from nominating, better yet, Cousins should stop himself. And to all those players who get caught up in the 'lifestyle', they should be stopped too, why not?
For mine he is a dog . Lets not just think of poor old benny you benny supporters and how he has problems . Lets think about the other people that cousins has taken down the same road the ones not on a million bucks a year ,the ones that you blokes dont give a rats about , kids that went over there with a dream and followed thier leader, role model into this caper, I know one kid from where I am from that did exactly that was a childhood star under age champion drafted went to west coast and got involved with cousins now his good mate got on it !! Played 3-4 games and lost it all ...thanks Ben ..hero role, model leader. That same bloke now lives in Melb as a drugo and who is said to have supplied the west coast boys with the gear after the 06 G/F.
And as for West coast eagles there as guilty as him they knew the problem was there years ago. if i was a sponser I would be jumping off them or are they supporting this stuff .
Everyone should be given chances cousins had his years ago ...dog!
celtic_pride
17 Oct 2007, 13:31
There is no doubt that after Cousins latest incident, West coast will sack the former Captain. If Cuz doesnt retire and wants to continue playing AFL, would you offer him a contract at your club next year via the PSD.
Its a tough call!
Everyone questions his playing future.
Um no, I think it's more of a football issue here, a man's life and health is at stake, and sadly at the very least, Cousins has to take at least one year off FULLY for complete and clinical rehab, whether he wants to or not ..
Cousins, the human being and health, has to be the first and only consideration for himself and his family right now, it's a far bigger issue then just a footballing ONE IMHO.
Boyler_Room
17 Oct 2007, 13:48
If he is free on bail would make a nice addition alongside Judd. ;)
I guess the spell check wouldn't have picked it up but you put the space in the wrong place. The n should be infront of the a and your missing a c in the last word.
WoGiTaLiA
17 Oct 2007, 17:14
I'd love him at Sydney. Chance for a fresh start, would get him away from the current crowd he associates with and get him out of the spotlight. Cousins is the biggest celebrity in Perth, makes it kind of tough on him to keep away from the drugs.
I'd love him at Sydney. Chance for a fresh start, would get him away from the current crowd he associates with and get him out of the spotlight. Cousins is the biggest celebrity in Perth, makes it kind of tough on him to keep away from the drugs.
Not sure about that. Sydney is named 'sin city' by some for various reasons.:)
redlegs
18 Oct 2007, 12:35
I think people need to calm down, the story of Cousins is pretty shady at the moment, it all should become clear after his court hearing today. Then everyone should start judging.
To tell you the truth I wouldn't mind him at Carlton, he still is one of the best midfielders in the country and if can clean up his act he would be a great assest to the club.
Meanman
18 Oct 2007, 12:56
In todays news the AFL are ponding on whether or not they will accept Cousin's draft nomination if he does decide to nominate. Doesn't look good for him!!
In todays news the AFL are ponding on whether or not they will accept Cousin's draft nomination if he does decide to nominate. Doesn't look good for him!!
i think he should go in the draft, chance for a fresh in another city, get him out of his dirty environment. we cant lose one of the best players of the last ten years go, help him out and gewt him back on the track.. pretty sure freo wouldnt pick him up any way.. richmond would b odds on favouirtes to get him.. but isnt he able to go in the national draft because he was delisted? carlton could take him at no.1.. salary cap would be an issue though
i think he should go in the draft, chance for a fresh in another city, get him out of his dirty environment. we cant lose one of the best players of the last ten years go, help him out and gewt him back on the track.. pretty sure freo wouldnt pick him up any way.. richmond would b odds on favouirtes to get him.. but isnt he able to go in the national draft because he was delisted? carlton could take him at no.1.. salary cap would be an issue though
Being a delisted player, he would indeed be eligible for the National Draft, not just the PSD. Which could make for some VERY interesting decisions having to be made.
However, all of this is predicated on the AFL accepting his draft nomination - should he decide to nominate. Under the present circumstances, I just can't see that happening. Maybe if he goes off to the Malibu rehab centre again and stays clean for 12 months they might consider allowing him to nominate for the 2008 draft, but there's just no way they'll accept his a nomination from him this year.
i don't see how they can legally not accept his nomination.. he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet...
also do they do background checks on all the kids entering the draft? who knows how many of them have drug/other problems..
i am not a fan of cousins (as you should know from previous posts) but I just would like someone to explain how the afl can proceed in a LEGAL manner to restrict cousins..
i don't see how they can legally not accept his nomination.. he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet...
also do they do background checks on all the kids entering the draft? who knows how many of them have drug/other problems..
i am not a fan of cousins (as you should know from previous posts) but I just would like someone to explain how the afl can proceed in a LEGAL manner to restrict cousins..
He's never been charged with anything under the AFL's drug code. That's the beauty of "bringing the game into disrepute" - it's a catch all. Given all the press this has received, none of it good, you'd need a damn fine lawyer to argue that he hasn't "brought the game into disrepute".
He's never been charged with anything under the AFL's drug code. That's the beauty of "bringing the game into disrepute" - it's a catch all. Given all the press this has received, none of it good, you'd need a damn fine lawyer to argue that he hasn't "brought the game into disrepute".
The charges have been dropped, its probably the afl's problem now to find that damn fine lawyer to prove that he has "brought the game into disrepute".
TheMalachiCrunch
19 Oct 2007, 15:21
The charges have been dropped, its probably the afl's problem now to find that damn fine lawyer to prove that he has "brought the game into disrepute".
Why did Ben refuse the Blood Test? I am sure this charge hasn't been dropped.
Why did Ben refuse the Blood Test? I am sure this charge hasn't been dropped.
Because he wasnt driving the car.
Oggy's cousin
19 Oct 2007, 20:15
I have to say I am absolutely sick of the grandstanding that has gone on from the AFL, the media especially, and AFL clubs over this issue.
As far as I can tell, he was pulled over (randomly), searched, and they found viagra and valium. Obviously the fact he didn't comply with the blood test implies he was on soemthing. However, every club in the AFL has players who take drugs and that is an absolute fact. I think Ben Cousins must be laughing with all the clubs and careers he could taint by mentioning who he has partaken with in the past.
This is a wider issue than the AFL of course. It startles me that the media are still "shocked" that people take drugs. Drugs are a fact of life in Australia and every other country in the world. Stand up and face reality instead of taking the oh so grimly predictable moral high ground when these stories emerge.
In saying this, I am not condoning this behaviour at all.
What further irritates me are AFL clubs saying they wouldn't touch him. People argue that they'll lsoe sponsors - they won't. He has 3-4 good years left in him and with proper rehabilitation and a move away from the fishbowl that is Perth, he may get his life and career back on track.
I have seen many many current AFL take drugs, it does not surprise me in the slightest. I think other clubs could take a risk on him and turn it in to a great story, use him as a drugs spokesman etc.
If I was running an AFL club, I would have no hesitation in taking him with a PSD pick.
Thoughts? Anyone else consider taking him? I don't believe legally the AFL has a leg to stand on by not granting him registration.
Eagle_boy
19 Oct 2007, 22:04
Oh boy another Ben Cousins thread:rolleyes:
I expect Cousins to retire and go through full and thorough drug rehabiliation. I hope he does this because he can get his life back into order and not be like Warwick Capper. His life is stuffed because of drugs and he had no help and he kept playing addicted to drugs. It's a sad story that Cuz can learn from.
dukester95
19 Oct 2007, 22:27
...looks like the drug charges against Cuz have been dropped. WC will not reinstate him though. His manager has urged him to sue...and I for one agree...he hasn't broken the law. I don't care what we all think might be the case, he deserves natural justice. If he had of tested positive to drugs then he should be sacked, but all the cops have is a bank note which has traces of MDMA on it. Plenty of bank notes have drug residue on them it doesn't make you a drug dealer or user.
Sue em Benny.:eek: