Top 15 of The 21st Century

[OneEyedPie7]

All-time draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Riewoldt
3. James Bartel
4. Luke Hodge
5. Dean Cox
6. Daniel Kerr
7. Alan Didak
8. Gary Ablett Jnr.
9. L.Franklin
10. S.Mitchell
11. N.DalSanto
12. B.Mclean
13. S.Pendlebury
14. M.Murphy
15. J. Selwood

[OneEyedPie7]

Top 15 Draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Riewoldt
3. James Bartel
4. Luke Hodge
5. Dean Cox
6. Daniel Kerr
7. Alan Didak
8. Gary Ablett Jnr.
9. L.Franklin
10. S.Mitchell
11. N.DalSanto
12. B.Mclean
13. S.Pendlebury
14. M.Murphy
15. J. Selwood

[Jex]

Top 15 Draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully

Take your own advise and remove Didak as no. 7.

[Lach72]

If you can put Podge and Bartel before Cox and Kerr, you be nuts...

[Phaze Away]

2000 was part of the 20th century. The new century started at January 1st, 2001 at midnight.

[doggies_5]

All-time draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Riewoldt
3. James Bartel
4. Luke Hodge
5. Dean Cox
6. Daniel Kerr
7. Alan Didak
8. Gary Ablett Jnr.
9. L.Franklin
10. S.Mitchell
11. N.DalSanto
12. B.Mclean
13. S.Pendlebury
14. M.Murphy
15. J. Selwood

Come on try not to show bias in this Ablett is a lot better then Didak you know, I know it, everyone knows it.

Also I think that the players in here should have to play at least 50 games to be elidgable.

[Scraggerz]

Cooney deserves a spot and maybe Griffen

[Blacky31]

Take your own advise and remove Didak as no. 7.

Coudn't agree more

[Delisted]

Top 15 Draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Riewoldt
3. James Bartel
4. Luke Hodge
5. Dean Cox
6. Daniel Kerr
7. Alan Didak
8. Gary Ablett Jnr.
9. L.Franklin
10. S.Mitchell
11. N.DalSanto
12. B.Mclean
13. S.Pendlebury
14. M.Murphy
15. J. Selwood

You clown.

[iGNITER]

1. Chris Judd
2. Gary Ablett Jnr
3. Daniel Kerr
4. Nick Riewoldt
5. Luke Hodge
6. James Bartel
7. Dean Cox (Rookie)
8. Alan Didak
9. Sam Mitchell
10. Lance Franklin
11. Travis Cloke
12. Shaun Burgoyne
13. Nick Dal Santo
14. Scott Pendlebury
15. Ben Rutten (Rookie)

[shewho3]

Top 15 Draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Riewoldt
3. James Bartel
4. Luke Hodge
5. Dean Cox
6. Daniel Kerr
7. Alan Didak
8. Gary Ablett Jnr.
9. L.Franklin
10. S.Mitchell
11. N.DalSanto
12. B.Mclean
13. S.Pendlebury
14. M.Murphy
15. J. Selwood

No Shaun Burgoyne? Come on man.

[JuiceNewton29]

1. Chris Judd
2. Gary Ablett Jnr
3. Daniel Kerr
4. Nick Riewoldt
5. Luke Hodge
6. James Bartel
7. Dean Cox (Rookie)
8. Alan Didak
9. Sam Mitchell
10. Lance Franklin
11. Travis Cloke
12. Shaun Burgoyne
13. Nick Dal Santo
14. Scott Pendlebury
15. Ben Rutten (Rookie)

Why is Didak so high?

[folester41]

All-time draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Riewoldt
3. James Bartel
4. Luke Hodge
5. Dean Cox
6. Daniel Kerr
7. Alan Didak
8. Gary Ablett Jnr.
9. L.Franklin
10. S.Mitchell
11. N.DalSanto
12. B.Mclean
13. S.Pendlebury
14. M.Murphy
15. J. Selwood

im happy with deledio over didak, murphy or mclean.

although didaks shown more.

murphy hasnt shown thattttt much.

if your going on his potential though then deledio has way more potential and hes shown just as much if not more

[lids_tiger_army]

Cooney deserves a spot and maybe Griffen
wereva he is on the list is a long way behind foley and frther past deledio

foley>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deledio>>>>>>griffin

[melbournemartin]

Dal Santo is too high. 15 at best for me. Didak is WAY too high. 15+

I'd also have Garry higher.

[melbournemartin]

Cooney deserves a spot and maybe Griffen

Griffen has no chance.

McLean was the best in Cooney's draft and I think you'd struggle to slot Cooney in from 13-15 considering the talent there.

[Sherminator.]

So much bias, stupid thread.

[tin can sam]

On whats been achieved, and potential.

1. C. Judd
2. N. Reiwoldt
3. L. Franklin
4. D. Kerr
5. D. Cox
6. J. Bartel
7. L. Hodge
8. S. Mitchell
9. S. Burgoyne
10. M. Murphy
11. J. Selwood
12. S. Pendlebury
13. L. Ball
14. Matthew Luenberger
15. Nick Dal Santo
16. Matthew Egan

[melbournemartin]

I'd have McLean ahead of Ball and Dal Santo. I'd rather him in my team...and I do :)

[RichosGuns]

In their second years Deledio showed alot more then Murphy IMO...in saying that niether of them should be there just yet

[rapidshave]

No Cooney?

Disgrace, not even real.

[mj23]

what about recent retiress

surely james hird has to gte a mention in this!

michael voss, jason akermanis, mark ricciuto, nathan buckley, pavlich and the list goes on
You dumb baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaastard!!!!!!!!!!

[barrel47]

1 - Chris Judd
2 - Shaun Burgoyne
3 - Daniel Kerr
4 - Gary Ablett Junior
5 - Nick Riewoldt
6 - James Bartel
7 - Luke Hodge
8 - Kane Cornes
9 - Nick Del Santo
10 - Sam Mitchell
11 - Justin Koschitzke
12 - Lance Franklin
13 - Daniel Cross
14 - Luke Ball
15 - Travis Cloke

[Hoffy95]

On whats been achieved, and potential.

1. C. Judd
2. N. Reiwoldt
3. L. Franklin
4. D. Kerr
5. D. Cox
6. J. Bartel
7. L. Hodge
8. S. Mitchell
9. S. Burgoyne
10. M. Murphy
11. J. Selwood
12. S. Pendlebury
13. L. Ball
14. Matthew Luenberger
15. Nick Dal Santo
16. Matthew Egan

No Gazza Tin Can?

[mj23]

1 - Chris Judd
2 - Shaun Burgoyne
3 - Daniel Kerr
4 - Gary Ablett Junior
5 - Nick Riewoldt
6 - James Bartel
7 - Luke Hodge
8 - Kane Cornes
9 - Nick Del Santo
10 - Sam Mitchell
11 - Justin Koschitzke
12 - Lance Franklin
13 - Daniel Cross
14 - Luke Ball
15 - Travis Cloke
Id have Burgoyne alot lower too inconsistent but it's your call. Kerr has polled alot of votes over the last 3 or 4 years and missed a fair few games too.

[barrel47]

I guess it comes to the type of footballer you like.
Tall, fast, inside & outside, impact, skilful, goal-kicking footballer.
Does it for me.
Closest to Judd outside of him.

[tin can sam]

No Gazza Tin Can?

I didn't count F/S.

Not sure why, just didn't.

[hereselmo1]

if im not mistaken cox was rookie listed not drafted

[Hoffy95]

Some other good players (in order from unluckiest to miss top 15)

Kane Cornes, Daniel Cross, Dane Swan, Scott Thompson.

Anyone seen this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_AFL_Draft

Check the last drafted player!

[deano the hawka]

Top 15 Draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Riewoldt
3. James Bartel
4. Luke Hodge
5. Dean Cox
6. Daniel Kerr
7. Alan Didak
8. Gary Ablett Jnr.
9. L.Franklin
10. S.Mitchell
11. N.DalSanto
12. B.Mclean
13. S.Pendlebury :confused::confused:
14. M.Murphy :confused::confused::confused:
15. J. Selwood

Uhhh, why is Alan Didak higher than Gary Ablett Jnr?
Also, Franklin is probably not better than Sam Mitchell...

I don't understand how you have Pendlebury and Marc Murphy (WTF?) in the top 15?

[mojon95]

1. C. Judd
2. J.Brown
3. C.Cornes
4. N.Riewoldt
5. D. Kerr
6. D. Cox
7. J. Bartel
8. L. Hodge
9. S. Mitchell
10. M.Pavlich
11. M.Lloyd
12. A.Goodes
13. K.Cornes
14. S.Lucas
15. M.Scarlett

Bolded are the ones which i think you would disagree with

C.Cornes = 3 time AA CHB
N.Riewoldt = Equals a great player, but not second
M.Lloyd = 3 Colemans in these 7 years
A.Goodes = 2 Brownlows definately deserves a spot


Best 15 in the Century

[Saveloy]

1. C. Judd
2. J.Brown
3. C.Cornes
4. N.Riewoldt
5. D. Kerr
6. D. Cox
7. J. Bartel
8. L. Hodge
9. S. Mitchell
10. M.Pavlich
11. M.Lloyd
12. A.Goodes
13. K.Cornes
14. S.Lucas
15. M.Scarlett

Bolded are the ones which i think you would disagree with

C.Cornes = 3 time AA CHB
N.Riewoldt = Equals a great player, but not second
M.Lloyd = 3 Colemans in these 7 years
A.Goodes = 2 Brownlows definately deserves a spot


Best 15 in the Century


most of these players wernt drafted in the 21st century mate

[CarnaKangas]

personally i would have cox at number 2 maybe even 1, a freak ruckman like him is the most valuable thing around i reckon.

[lids_tiger_army]

Some other good players (in order from unluckiest to miss top 15)

Kane Cornes, Daniel Cross, Dane Swan, Scott Thompson.

Anyone seen this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_AFL_Draft

Check the last drafted player!


classic!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsu:

[TheGeneral]

Chris Judd
Jonathon Brown
Daniel Kerr
Nick Riewoldt
Luke Hodge
James Bartel
Dean Cox
Gary Ablett
N.DalSanto
S.Burgoyne
Alan Didak
S.Mitchell
Franklin
Murphy
Gibbs/Leuenberger/Hansen/Gumbleton/Boak/Thorp/Selwood

[DCFCFAN84]

Top 15 Draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

2. Nick Riewoldt


LOL.

[Stormer]

1. Judd
2. Riewoldt
3. Cox
4. Ablett
5. Kerr
6. Franklin
7. Hodge
8. Bartel
9. Mitchell
10. Kornes
11. Cross
12. Thompson
13. McLean
14. Didak
15. B Harris

[vazie31]

Cooney deserves a spot and maybe Griffen

Cooney has under achieved and so has griffen...

[citizen-erased]

1-Judd
2-Kerr
3-Hodge
4-Cox
5-Riewoldt
6-Ablett
7-C Cornes
8-P Burgoyne
9-L Ball
10-K Burgoyne
11-Mitchell
12-Bartel
13-Wells
14-S Burgoyne
15-Bartel

It was tough between Cross, Didak and Bartel.
Bartel got the nod for his brownlow and Cross because he is consistently good at winning the ball

[Hoffy95]

1-Judd
2-Kerr
3-Hodge
4-Cox
5-Riewoldt
6-Ablett
7-C Cornes
8-P Burgoyne
9-L Ball
10-K Burgoyne
11-Mitchell
12-Bartel
13-Wells
14-S Burgoyne
15-Bartel

It was tough between Cross, Didak and Bartel.
Bartel got the nod for his brownlow and Cross because he is consistently good at winning the ball

Bartel in twice...I agree.

Not sure about K Burgoyne though...

[tin can sam]

1-Judd
2-Kerr
3-Hodge
4-Cox
5-Riewoldt
6-Ablett
7-C Cornes
8-P Burgoyne
9-L Ball
10-K Burgoyne
11-Mitchell
12-Bartel
13-Wells
14-S Burgoyne
15-Bartel

It was tough between Cross, Didak and Bartel.
Bartel got the nod for his brownlow and Cross because he is consistently good at winning the ball

What a great list, imagine a those 5 in the mid-field.

[NakedDeadGuy]

As per the spot they were drafted at:
1 - Nick Riewoldt
2 - Justin Koschitzke
3 - Chris Judd
4 - Matthew Luenberger? Maybe too early, but Polak is #1 alternate.
5 - Lance Franklin
6 - Steven Salopek
7 - Joel Selwood
8 - Jimmy Bartel
9 - Hamish McIntosh
10 - Sam Power
11 - Beau Waters
12 - Shaun Burgoyne
13 - Nick Dal Santo
14 - Daniel Harris
15 - Troy Chaplin

[doggiesin08]

Threads like this are crazy. Need much stronger criteria. Need to clarify if on potential or proven. Think one like guy did on (as per draft position) is a good one, even if you did it over all time. If so Chris Grant gets the gig at pick 105. try find a better value for money pick than that. And don't say Hird. Pies supporters get over Thomas, Pendulbry. nearly every team has at least 2 quality young mids.
Rich - Deledio Foley (beats thomas pendles)
Carlton - Gibbs Murphy (wins again)
Melbourn - McLean, Jones (pies win this one)
Dogs - Cooney Griffen (wins)
Essendon - Stanton ????
the list goes on. Thomas and Pendlebury (and don't care i cant spell his name) are overrated. Also melbourne guy saying McLean is better than Cooney, not the sharpest tool in the shed. People underate Cooney outside of dogs supporters. Has battled through OP for much of his career and has been a quality player.

[tin can sam]

Threads like this are crazy. Need much stronger criteria. Need to clarify if on potential or proven. Think one like guy did on (as per draft position) is a good one, even if you did it over all time. If so Chris Grant gets the gig at pick 105. try find a better value for money pick than that. And don't say Hird.

Why not, Hird was better value then Grant.

[doggiesin08]

Why not, Hird was better value then Grant.
I don't think Hird at pick 79 beats Grant at pick 105. Grant was a star. Hird just has the Browlow (by 1 vote ahead of Grant) in '96 and a flag. Recognition is also aided by playing for a powerfull club. There are players at smaller clubs which just don't get it. Grant was dominant in his day. Robert Harvey misses out on being included with Bucks,Hird,Voss despite winning 2 Browlows. And guy who says Cooney and Griffen havnt achieved. absolute fool. Griffen has played 2.5 years. and was a little down for half of this year, until then was considered a gun for age. Cooney has battled OP. You clearly don't watch their good games.

[tin can sam]

I don't think Hird at pick 79 beats Grant at pick 105. Grant was a star. Hird just has the Browlow (by 1 vote ahead of Grant) in '96 and a flag. Recognition is also aided by playing for a powerfull club. There are players at smaller clubs which just don't get it. Grant was dominant in his day. Robert Harvey misses out on being included with Bucks,Hird,Voss despite winning 2 Browlows. And guy who says Cooney and Griffen havnt achieved. absolute fool. Griffen has played 2.5 years. and was a little down for half of this year, until then was considered a gun for age. Cooney has battled OP. You clearly don't watch their good games.

pick 79 and 105 aren't that different, it's not like it's the difference between pick 1 and 27.

I'd say Hird and Grant are pretty much equal as the best value gets ever.

[macca231]

I'm assuming because others have included Cox who was a 2000 rookie elevation, we can also include Sandilands and Rutten who were both 2002

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Reiwoldt
3. Dean Cox
4. Daniel Kerr
5. Gary Ablett
6. James Bartel
7. Kane Cornes
8. Shaun Burgoyne
9. Luke Hodge
10 Ben Rutten
11. Buddy Franklin
12. Sam Mitchell
13. Steve Johnson
14. Aaron Sandilands
15. Nick Dal Santo

[westbrom]

In their second years Deledio showed alot more then Murphy IMO...in saying that niether of them should be there just yet

I actually disagree, this will probably seem biased, but I think Murphy has shown a heap. I remember when Cousins started wearing a tag and just could not get into games at all. Murphy was murdered as a kid tagged week in week out, and still averaged about 18 disposals I think. That is actually a massive achievement for a second year player.

For me it would be

1. C. Judd
2. D.Kerr
3. N. Reiwoldt
4. L.Hodge
5. G.Ablett Jnr
6. J.Bartel
7. B. Franklin
8. N.Del Santo
9. M Murphy
10. J.Selwood
11. D.Cox
12. D.Harris
13. S.Pendlebury
14. K.Cones
15. H.Shaw

[mojon95]

I actually disagree, this will probably seem biased, but I think Murphy has shown a heap. I remember when Cousins started wearing a tag and just could not get into games at all. Murphy was murdered as a kid tagged week in week out, and still averaged about 18 disposals I think. That is actually a massive achievement for a second year player.

For me it would be

1. C. Judd
2. D.Kerr
3. N. Reiwoldt
4. L.Hodge
5. G.Ablett Jnr
6. J.Bartel
7. B. Franklin
8. N.Dal Santo
9. M Murphy
10. J.Selwood
11. D.Cox
12. D.Harris
13. S.Pendlebury
14. K.Cones
15. H.Shaw

Murphy was pick 1:rolleyes:

and Shaw is good, but not that good

[BiG NaTh]

Take your own advise and remove Didak as no. 7.

well said m8 Didak shood not be #7 on that list

[kendrick]

Deledio>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Murphy.

wtf has Murphy done?

1. R.Tambling
2. A.Gilmour
3. B.Hartigan
4. D.Meyer
5. J.Oakley-Nicholls
6. C.Hughes
7. C.Judd
8. N.Dal Santo
9. M Murphy
10. J.Selwood
11. D.Cox
12. D.Harris
13. S.Pendlebury
14. K.Cones
15. H.Shaw

[Anti Gold Coast]

I actually disagree, this will probably seem biased, but I think Murphy has shown a heap. I remember when Cousins started wearing a tag and just could not get into games at all. Murphy was murdered as a kid tagged week in week out, and still averaged about 18 disposals I think. That is actually a massive achievement for a second year player.

For me it would be

1. C. Judd
2. D.Kerr
3. N. Reiwoldt
4. L.Hodge
5. G.Ablett Jnr
6. J.Bartel
7. B. Franklin
8. N.Del Santo
9. M Murphy
10. J.Selwood
11. D.Cox
12. D.Harris
13. S.Pendlebury
14. K.Cones
15. H.Shaw

Good to see the love for Daniel Harris. But to be honest, I would but Kane Cornes above him, and Cox ahead of many of those players. Cox as a pure midfielder would be better then 3/4 of the midfielders on an AFL list.

[jo172]

Top 15 Draft from 2000-2006


The 21st century began in 2000, not 2001. 2000 was the last year of the 20th century;)

[WoGiTaLiA]

I include both the pre-season draft and rookie elevations for each year.

My picks are based on several factors. First and foremost is body of work, the more achievement the better. Secondly is potential. Value of pick was a very minor factor.

1. D. Kerr
2. C. Judd
3. D. Cox
4. N. Riewoldt
5. L. Franklin
6. L. Hodge
7. J. Bartel
8. S. Burgoyne
9. K. Cornes
10. N. Dal Santo
11. G. Ablett Jr
12. S. Mitchell
13. C. Bolton
14. J. Koschitzke
15. M. Egan

Nearest misses were A. Selwood, J. Selwood, A. Davey, S. Thompson and N. Malceski.

Looking through it recent drafts have been really poor. The two best players from the 2002 draft were taken at 53 and 64. Also... Easy to see why Geelong and WC have been so good recently with their dominance of this. St Kilda would be better if their members could stay healthy. Sydney only have 2 guys in contention and one was recylced. Adelaide had only Thompson who was close, Fremantle, Melbourne, Carlton, Richmond, WB and Essendon weren't even close to having anyone, kind of funny given their respective positions this year, its like the last 6 years just suddenly caught up with them last year.

One thing this has shown me is that you certainly build a team through the draft, Sydney are some kind of freakish exclusion from this rule, but WC, Hawthorn and Geelong all dominate this list and barring something major, will be amongst the top teams in the league for the forseeable future.

[HBF]

Why is Didak so high?

Who knows. Know way i'd have him in my top 15.
Will have a good hard think about this, and get back to you.

[micky_11]

Some other good players (in order from unluckiest to miss top 15)

Kane Cornes, Daniel Cross, Dane Swan, Scott Thompson.

Anyone seen this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_AFL_Draft

Check the last drafted player!


whats funny about Raso being drafted last?

[westbrom]

Deledio>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Murphy.

wtf has Murphy done?

Well he has two seasons is that correct???

Season 1)

Murphy has the second best 10 games (statistically of any recent draftee) behind Hasleby and ahead of Judd...

Season 2)

Wears a tag for almost every game of the year

Let's look at how others who were heralded juniors went early in their career, remember as kids these were the superstars!!.
Ben Cousins (2nd season 14.61 disposals)
Chris Judd (2nd Season 18.17 disposals)
Paul Hasleby (2nd Season 19.2 disposals)
Adam Goodes (2nd season 13.41 disposals)

Marc Muphy 17.91 disposals

Now take your blinkers off and realise that NONE of those player wore the level of tag all season in year 2 that Murphy did this year and you will see what he was touted as being "that good". Marc Murphy is going to be a superstar and I think his season 3 will be outstanding with Stevens and Judd in the middle.

[Hoffy95]

whats funny about Raso being drafted last?

Someones changed it.

Originally it had: Pick: Last - Bryan Straughan - Horsham Seconds!

[BigBadCam]

Take your own advise and remove Didak as no. 7.

I was going to say, Didak before Ablett?

[Cheetah]

Pavlich, anybody?

[Dj Chriss]

Deledio>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Murphy.

wtf has Murphy done?

1. R.Tambling
2. A.Gilmour
3. B.Hartigan
4. D.Meyer
5. J.Oakley-Nicholls
6. C.Hughes
7. C.Judd
8. N.Dal Santo
9. M Murphy
10. J.Selwood
11. D.Cox
12. D.Harris
13. S.Pendlebury
14. K.Cones
15. H.Shaw

Wasnt he delisted today?? :rolleyes:

Also why has noone got Pav in but are putting guys like franklin and dal santo in front of him

[murph#3]

1. Chris Judd
2. Gary Ablett
3. Nick Riewoldt
4. Daniel Kerr
5. Luke Hodge
6. James Bartel
7. Dean Cox
8. Kane Cornes
9. Ben Rutten
10. Sam Mitchell
11. Lance Franklin
12. Shaun Burgoyne
13. Nick Dal Santo
14. Marc Murphy
15. Brett Deledio

[Dandy_GO]

I include both the pre-season draft and rookie elevations for each year.

My picks are based on several factors. First and foremost is body of work, the more achievement the better. Secondly is potential. Value of pick was a very minor factor.
Adelaide had only Thompson who was close.

I think you're forgetting Rutten, who is being left out of an awful lot of these lists. Easily in the top 15.
I agree about Thompson, however - close, but not quite top 15 (at this stage, anyway).

[WoGiTaLiA]

I don't really think Rutten is close to the top 15 to be honest. He is a good player, but he isnt great, which everyone on that list is. He is very much the product of a system, he gets routinely beaten in games I see when he is caught on the rebound. Don't get me wrong, I'd love him at the Swans, but we have no KP defenders and he is a very good player, but I wouldn't have him in the top 15 or 20 for that matter. He does add to what Adelaide has got in that period. I also really rate Chris Knights who I think is going to be on that list before long if he keeps going the way he is.

For all those talking about Pavlich... check the year he was drafted and then think about why no one is including him.

[Dandy_GO]

Really? Well, I'd disagree. For a guy who gets "routinely beaten" on the rebound, he barely ever conceeds goals - in fact, since he's been playing full back, I believe he's conceeded less goals on average than any other full time full back. Whilst our gameplan helps to a degree, it can't be completely attributed to that - you only have to look at the games he missed this season to see that he's a quality player. Lloyd and Pavlich both kicked 5 during the 3 weeks he missed, despite the best efforts of Bock, Stevens and McGregor - all quality defenders in their own right. I don't think Rutten has had more than 4 kicked on him since 2005, and even then it's a very rare occurance for his opponent to kick more than 2. He's one of the top 3 full backs in the league and was AA in his first full season in the position. Definately top 15, or at least close. I'd have him ahead of Bolton, Egan and Kozi (whom is far more talented, but hasn't achieved as much due to injury) on your list. He's easily our most important player at the moment, and is a superior player to Thompson. Knights had a very impressive season, but he's got a long way to go - particularly in terms of decision making, composure and disposal before he goes close to making that list. Brilliant ball winner, and a steal at pick 56, but has a lot to work on.

[footycliche]

All-time draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Riewoldt
3. James Bartel
4. Luke Hodge
5. Dean Cox
6. Daniel Kerr
7. Alan Didak
8. Gary Ablett Jnr.
9. L.Franklin
10. S.Mitchell
11. N.DalSanto
12. B.Mclean
13. S.Pendlebury
14. M.Murphy
15. J. Selwood

Didak at 7 is an absolute joke, as is Pendlebury at 13. Please...

[James_37]

For a start I think this thread needed a few more guidelines as to what this top 15 was for as it is a little ambiguous. Whether its just the top 15 players picked since 2000, or whether like a rookie or late draft pick gains a little in value due to the fact that stars are much harder to find with these picks than say a Judd, Riewoldt, Hodge etc who required absolutely no skill in selecting at all. Perhaps also their importance to a club or a side, like a key position player is often much harder to replace than a midfielder etc.

As a crows supporter, one player who has not been mentioned who could rate near a lot of these players is Graham Johncock, absolute gun, just had a few unlucky impact injuries over his time. Rutten definitely deserves a mention, possibly the most important part of the Adelaide side, All-Australian in his first full season of footy, will win his position in pretty much every game he plays, beats Jonothan Brown in a one on one quite often too.

Scott Thompson is also close, only still has a few parts of his game that let him down, and Chris Knights/Nathan van Berlo/Nathan Bock should all push this list given a good run next year.

If this top 15 were rated on "smart" picks, as in stars from the late in the draft or rookie drafts etc, Rutten, Johncock, Knights, Bock and Mattner would definitely rate pretty highly.

[Meanman]

All-time draft from 2000-2006

Think carefully, as this is a very difficult task.

1. Chris Judd
2. Nick Riewoldt
3. James Bartel
4. Luke Hodge
5. Dean Cox
6. Daniel Kerr
7. Alan Didak
8. Gary Ablett Jnr.
9. L.Franklin
10. S.Mitchell
11. N.DalSanto
12. B.Mclean
13. S.Pendlebury
14. M.Murphy
15. J. Selwood

Clearly a one eyed football follower... Alan didak above 8 of the next footballers on that list is even a joke...I'd have him in about 20-30

Also even though Jimmy has just won a brownlow, I wouldn't have him as 3rd... Interesting thread though

[Australia]

Im happy Jimmy Bartel gets recognised.

Cannot belive the amount of people leaving out Rutten (Star people) and Brock Mclean (Shits on Pendlebury, Murphy, Didak etc)

Didak in this group ends credibility for the first list.

[Lyyynnnchy]

I actually disagree, this will probably seem biased, but I think Murphy has shown a heap. I remember when Cousins started wearing a tag and just could not get into games at all. Murphy was murdered as a kid tagged week in week out, and still averaged about 18 disposals I think. That is actually a massive achievement for a second year player.

For me it would be

1. C. Judd
2. D.Kerr
3. N. Reiwoldt
4. L.Hodge
5. G.Ablett Jnr
6. J.Bartel
7. B. Franklin
8. N.Del Santo
9. M Murphy
10. J.Selwood
11. D.Cox
12. D.Harris
13. S.Pendlebury
14. K.Cones
15. H.Shaw


So you think Murphy as a number 1 pick was better then Cox as a Rookie pick?? Bias much?

[Lyyynnnchy]

For a start I think this thread needed a few more guidelines as to what this top 15 was for as it is a little ambiguous. Whether its just the top 15 players picked since 2000, or whether like a rookie or late draft pick gains a little in value due to the fact that stars are much harder to find with these picks than say a Judd, Riewoldt, Hodge etc who required absolutely no skill in selecting at all. Perhaps also their importance to a club or a side, like a key position player is often much harder to replace than a midfielder etc.

As a crows supporter, one player who has not been mentioned who could rate near a lot of these players is Graham Johncock, absolute gun, just had a few unlucky impact injuries over his time. Rutten definitely deserves a mention, possibly the most important part of the Adelaide side, All-Australian in his first full season of footy, will win his position in pretty much every game he plays, beats Jonothan Brown in a one on one quite often too.

Scott Thompson is also close, only still has a few parts of his game that let him down, and Chris Knights/Nathan van Berlo/Nathan Bock should all push this list given a good run next year.

If this top 15 were rated on "smart" picks, as in stars from the late in the draft or rookie drafts etc, Rutten, Johncock, Knights, Bock and Mattner would definitely rate pretty highly.

Bock and Mattner? are you serious?
You are comparing these guys to Judd, Ablett, Kerr, Cox, Brown people like that geeeezzz some people have a huge amount of bias when posting

[Carn the Coasters]

pick 79 and 105 aren't that different, it's not like it's the difference between pick 1 and 27.

I'd say Hird and Grant are pretty much equal as the best value gets ever.
Dean Kemp? I think he was like 120 or something.

[James_37]

Bock and Mattner? are you serious?
You are comparing these guys to Judd, Ablett, Kerr, Cox, Brown people like that geeeezzz some people have a huge amount of bias when posting

Can you read?

Not comparing them in terms of skill or ability, although if Bock were left at CHB for an entire would push AA, but if you include the fact that they weren't picked up as early first round draft picks, but as rookie selections they have been very valuble. It is the later picks where a recruitment officer shows his genious, if he can find gems that no one else has, i would rate this much higher than the ability to choose Judd with what #2 or 3, was it? Brown and Ablett, both F/S, Brown would have gone #1, Ablett was uncertain. Cox is a similar prospect as these 2 as he was also a rookie, a great piece of drafting by West Coast, as was Adelaide with the likes of Johncock, Knights, Rutten, Bock, Mattner etc.

[yulong]

Threads like this are crazy. Need much stronger criteria. Need to clarify if on potential or proven. Think one like guy did on (as per draft position) is a good one, even if you did it over all time. If so Chris Grant gets the gig at pick 105. try find a better value for money pick than that. And don't say Hird. Pies supporters get over Thomas, Pendulbry. nearly every team has at least 2 quality young mids.
Rich - Deledio Foley (beats thomas pendles)
Carlton - Gibbs Murphy (wins again)
Melbourn - McLean, Jones (pies win this one)
Dogs - Cooney Griffen (wins)
Essendon - Stanton ????
the list goes on. Thomas and Pendlebury (and don't care i cant spell his name) are overrated. Also melbourne guy saying McLean is better than Cooney, not the sharpest tool in the shed. People underate Cooney outside of dogs supporters. Has battled through OP for much of his career and has been a quality player.

No chance in hell I'd swap Mclean and Jones for Cooney and Griffen, and its probably not so much that people outside of Dogs supporters underrate Cooney but rather you all overrate him.

[Monkey King]

In their second years Deledio showed alot more then Murphy IMO

Compare the 2nd years.

Stat---------Deledio ------Murphy
Kicks...............241...............264
Handballs.........154...............130
Disposals.........395................394
Goals.................5................10
Tackles............35................64

A lot more..... what are you on? When you further consider Murphy has copped the oppositions best tagger most games, your comment becomes a little :o

[Monkey King]

if im not mistaken cox was rookie listed not drafted

If i'm not mistaken, the only way to be rookie listed is through the rookie draft.

[dp3[WLD]]

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