Official Delistings

[The rabbi]

With the end of the trade week complete, can Geelong still promote Todd Grima by cutting loose some dead wood on the list? I think that there is room for Grima if the Cats could cut someone like The Natural, for example, who I believe is never going to make it at AFL level.
Is a senario like this possible or is Grima done and dusted at Geelong?

[catempire]

With the end of the trade week complete, can Geelong still promote Todd Grima by cutting loose some dead wood on the list? I think that there is room for Grima if the Cats could cut someone like The Natural, for example, who I believe is never going to make it at AFL level.
Is a senario like this possible or is Grima done and dusted at Geelong?

Geelong will cut Spencer but doesn't look Grima will get a go.

[foxdoog50]

U never know, Geelong might pick him up in the Draft.....
When do the delistings are anounced??

[Reg Hickey]

I think rookie promotions need to be finalised by Oct 31.

The club has already agreed to promote Lonergan and Davenport, so would be a big call to promote Grima as well. We would have to delist three more players to do it. I think he's in trouble.

And if we don't promote him, we sure as hell won't then draft him.

[Nooky]

Geelong will cut Spencer but doesn't look Grima will get a go.
we need to keep Spencer as a backup ruckman.West will not be able to ruck on his own,he is a bit too light yet,hoping to mucle up a bit this season.

[catempire]

we need to keep Spencer as a backup ruckman.West will not be able to ruck on his own,he is a bit too light yet,hoping to mucle up a bit this season.

:confused:

[sexyhunk]

we need to keep Spencer as a backup ruckman.West will not be able to ruck on his own,he is a bit too light yet,hoping to mucle up a bit this season.

huh?

[Mr Sensitive]

we need to keep Spencer as a backup ruckman.West will not be able to ruck on his own,he is a bit too light yet,hoping to mucle up a bit this season.

Spencer's never played in the ruck, you oaf.

[WE Are Geelong]

Once delistings have taken place Geelong will have a specific criteria for their remaining picks...as they usually do. That criteria may or may not be met. Given the less certain and unknown quantities of this particular draft however I believe Grima will be in the mix alot longer than people suspect.

He still might get elevated there's over 2 weeks to go.

[thehoff]

we need to keep Spencer as a backup ruckman.West will not be able to ruck on his own,he is a bit too light yet,hoping to mucle up a bit this season.

PLEASE KILL ME!

[The rabbi]

we need to keep Spencer as a backup ruckman.West will not be able to ruck on his own,he is a bit too light yet,hoping to mucle up a bit this season.


If Spencer does not undergo the great circumcision I will be most surprised.

No! I will be damn right furious if we miss out on Grima (a player with good potential) because the list is cluttered with players who will never cut the mustard at AFL level.

[LifeSpan-Void]

we need to keep Spencer as a backup ruckman.West will not be able to ruck on his own,he is a bit too light yet,hoping to mucle up a bit this season.

Official GFC stats listed West at 102kg this season. King was listed at 105kg. Blake at 100kg. Ottens, our heaviest player, was listed at 108kg. Are you trying to tell me that West is too light to ruck against King or Ottens? Keep in mind that aside from Sandilands, most ruckmen fall between these numbers.

[geelong_boy]

From my (ignorant) point of view, the club would be crazy NOT to promote Grima and give him two years on the senior list.

Sure he's raw and inconsistent, but he has room for improvement and those two years could give him that time.

Given Mooney might only have a few more years left in his prime, a future forward line consisting of KPPs Hawkins, NAblett and Grima could be a great one for the GFC for years to come.

But then again what would I know. If the powers that be at the club don't promote him then they obviously know or see something that we here on bigfooty don't.

[LifeSpan-Void]

anyway, to re-rail this thread: Grima has shown plenty in his time on the rookie list, but unfortunately he is competing with either Mooney/Hawkins as a KPF, against Johnson as a tall crumbing forward, against mackie and milburn as a mobile half back and even Enright. I'd like to see him get a gig, but it would be fairer on him to look for another home. It seems that with the trading of Playfair and Gardiner (and not trading for players), we're not interested in keeping VFL depth, but rather to develop more kids.

[geelong_boy]

anyway, to re-rail this thread: Grima has shown plenty in his time on the rookie list, but unfortunately he is competing with either Mooney/Hawkins as a KPF, against Johnson as a tall crumbing forward, against mackie and milburn as a mobile half back and even Enright. I'd like to see him get a gig, but it would be fairer on him to look for another home. It seems that with the trading of Playfair and Gardiner (and not trading for players), we're not interested in keeping VFL depth, but rather to develop more kids.

Well if he was to be promoted, he might only be an injury or two away from getting a shot. Another reason to elevate him.

[costanza23]

Surely we'll promote him. He came 2nd in the VFL goalkicking, didn't he? He's got great potential. He plays like Mooney - a posessed CHF that crashes through packs, takes strong marks and kicks bags of goals. Why draft another unknown youngster?

The only reason I can think they haven't elevated him yet, is that he may have asked to be delisted.

The ideal situation would be to delist Owen and place him on the rookie list and elevate Grima. But it is worrying that nothing has been done yet, I don't want to lose this guy.

[geelong_boy]

Surely we'll promote him. He came 2nd in the VFL goalkicking, didn't he? He's got great potential. He plays like Mooney - a posessed CHF that crashes through packs, takes strong marks and kicks bags of goals. Why draft another unknown youngster?

The only reason I can think they haven't elevated him yet, is that he may have asked to be delisted.

The ideal situation would be to delist Owen and place him on the rookie list and elevate Grima. But it is worrying that nothing has been done yet, I don't want to lose this guy.

I agree with you completely. If he has to bide his time then any improvement or maturity that comes with him waiting for his chance can only be good for him in the long term.

[Turbocat]

Maybe Grima is just out of luck.
Although tried down back , I dont think ever looked as home down there as a kid like Thompson. Nothing wrong with that , he is a forward and fine one. Its just I'm not sure our list need fits what he can offer right now

With Nablett and TH , we have forward talls that should be able to play for years yet and they probably will only ever be forwards. Lonergan , for a long time I thought was a waste of space has shown enough to think he will be a flexable tall capable of covering forward and back. Sure Mooney will go sooner than anyone else but he is only 28 , as a power forward he could still play for another 4 years.

The fact is one can not hold players on your list for very long without them being serious best22 options. Even if we listed him , do we really think he will be able to break into our side in the next two years? If not , we would probably only grooming a kid for another side to take with a Steven King useless Pick. It would also mean we wouldn't be starting again with a fresh kid that may be ready for that Mooney position in 4 years time.

He is stiff and one would thought a club lacking young forwards would jump at him , especially if he is still there late. He has probably shown more than Gardiner yet the strength of our list means he will struggle fro the same chance.

[sarah.13]

Maybe Grima is just out of luck.
Although tried down back , I dont think ever looked as home down there as a kid like Thompson. Nothing wrong with that , he is a forward and fine one. Its just I'm not sure our list need fits what he can offer right now

With Nablett and TH , we have forward talls that should be able to play for years yet and they probably will only ever be forwards. Lonergan , for a long time I thought was a waste of space has shown enough to think he will be a flexable tall capable of covering forward and back. Sure Mooney will go sooner than anyone else but he is only 28 , as a power forward he could still play for another 4 years.

The fact is one can not hold players on your list for very long without them being serious best22 options. Even if we listed him , do we really think he will be able to break into our side in the next two years? If not , we would probably only grooming a kid for another side to take with a Steven King useless Pick. It would also mean we wouldn't be starting again with a fresh kid that may be ready for that Mooney position in 4 years time.

He is stiff and one would thought a club lacking young forwards would jump at him , especially if he is still there late. He has probably shown more than Gardiner yet the strength of our list means he will struggle fro the same chance.

Good summary of the position the club and the kid himself find themselves in.Not big enough to try to turn into a KPB and not quick enough for a flank.
I think the club will be trying to bolster that area as well as Ruckman.

[Stokes-Selwood-Prismall]

From memory, the club said it was a toss-up between picking him or Owen 2 years ago. So I can't see why the club wouldn't rectify their decision by putting Owen to the rookie list and Grima to the senior one.

[catempire]

Say we delist Owen, Spencer and Sam Hunt.

We've then got 7 spots on our list (with H, King, Gardiner and Callan gone too).

We're promoting Lonergan and Davenport which leaves 5.

Our last pick is Donohue, so that's our 5th pick - 62.

That makes it virtually a choice between Grima and our second last pick - our 4th pick - 50.

Wells et al will make the call on whether we are likely to get something better than Grima with pick 50.

I have my doubts on whether 50 is likely to be better than Grima, but I put my full faith in Wells and the team.

[foxdoog50]

Say we delist Owen, Spencer and Sam Hunt.

We've then got 7 spots on our list (with H, King, Gardiner and Callan gone too).

We're promoting Lonergan and Davenport which leaves 5.

Our last pick is Donohue, so that's our 5th pick - 62.

That makes it virtually a choice between Grima and our second last pick - our 4th pick - 50.

Wells et al will make the call on whether we are likely to get something better than Grima with pick 50.

I have my doubts on whether 50 is likely to be better than Grima, but I put my full faith in Wells and the team.

Thats excatly right, Dont worry at all, his got a GOOD chance of getting picked up with us in the draft..:thumbsu:

[Brasil2007]

But then again what would I know. If the powers that be at the club don't promote him then they obviously know or see something that we here on bigfooty don't.

Good point, they've not really made a single mistake to date, I have faith that they'll make the right call here.

[fishman]

You guys keeping mentioning youngster...

Grima is 20. Hardly and old fella. Say Mooney has 4 years in him, Grima would be a ripe age of 24. Hardly ancient.

Lonergan is 23. Davenport is 22

I would hate to have options as a GFC fan of players of players who could play tough and mean as both a KPP and a tall forward like Grima.

Get rid of the natural and promote Grima. For the love of the Gods!

[omg_its_dennis]

we need to keep Spencer as a backup ruckman.West will not be able to ruck on his own,he is a bit too light yet,hoping to mucle up a bit this season.

Wow :eek:

[Partridge]

You guys keeping mentioning youngster...

Grima is 20. Hardly and old fella. Say Mooney has 4 years in him, Grima would be a ripe age of 24. Hardly ancient.

Lonergan is 23. Davenport is 22

I would hate to have options as a GFC fan of players of players who could play tough and mean as both a KPP and a tall forward like Grima.

Get rid of the natural and promote Grima. For the love of the Gods!

Well said. I'm not sure why people think Grima won't be promoted. I would have thought that Davenport was the standout (from the rookie list), with Lonergan and Grima just behind. I see no reason to alter that view. Grima could very easily play seniors next year.

Remember, there's no guarantee that Mooney or Nathan Ablett or Hawkins won't get injured. In which case we'll need another key forward. And I'd prefer Grima to a first year rookie. To me he's the obvious choice.

[catempire]

I'm not sure why people think Grima won't be promoted.

Partridge, the main reason is that the club have already announced that Davenport and Lonergan are in but there's no word on Grima.

[LifeSpan-Void]

You guys keeping mentioning youngster...

Grima is 20. Hardly and old fella. Say Mooney has 4 years in him, Grima would be a ripe age of 24. Hardly ancient.

Lonergan is 23. Davenport is 22

I would hate to have options as a GFC fan of players of players who could play tough and mean as both a KPP and a tall forward like Grima.

Get rid of the natural and promote Grima. For the love of the Gods!

I was using youngster in the context of players who haven't spent any time in the system. Grima, although still young, has spent some time in the system. To the GFC, he's a known quantity. Perhaps they're not interested in what he has to offer? For the record, I'd like to see him promoted too, but I have absolute faith in our club's list management.

[Inferno]

PLEASE KILL ME!I'm sure Spencer's dad can do that for you.

[chapmanmagic35]

Where would he fit in?

[Reg Hickey]

Say we delist Owen, Spencer and Sam Hunt.

We've then got 7 spots on our list (with H, King, Gardiner and Callan gone too).

We're promoting Lonergan and Davenport which leaves 5.

Our last pick is Donohue, so that's our 5th pick - 62.

That makes it virtually a choice between Grima and our second last pick - our 4th pick - 50.

Wells et al will make the call on whether we are likely to get something better than Grima with pick 50.

I have my doubts on whether 50 is likely to be better than Grima, but I put my full faith in Wells and the team.

That's the wrong way to look at it.

There is little doubt in my mind that we won't delist another three unless there is a specific reason (such as to promote Grima). So whichever way you look at it, we are not using pick 50.

The correct comparison is whether Grima is a better option than the best of your three delistings. I think he is, which is why I would promote him (along with the fact that he is a key forward and we need another one of them).

[catempire]

There is little doubt in my mind that we won't delist another three unless there is a specific reason

Wells has said we'll have 4 picks in the draft. It's reasonable to assume it will be four in addition to Donohue. Donohue goes with our last (5th) pick - 62.

To make room for all of that. Extra delisitings must occur.

Aside from that, the specific reasons are:

*Owen - better to rehab on the rookie list
*Spencer - not good enough
*Sam Hunt - not good enough

They WILL all go and the choice will be between Grima and 50.

[sarah.13]

There is little doubt in my mind that we won't delist another three unless there is a specific reason (such as to promote Grima). So whichever way you look at it, we are not using pick 50.

[quote=catempire;9201466]Wells has said we'll have 4 picksilst in the draft. It's reasonable to assume it will be four in addition to Donohue. Donohue goes with our last (5th) pick - 62.
*Owen - better to rehab on the rookie list
*Spencer - not good enough
*Sam Hunt - not good enough

They WILL all go and the choice will be between Grima and 50.

Whilst both scenarios are equally possible there is another.We still don't know if any player/s will be lost in the PSD. Thinking here of Tenace and any other player out of contract.
But I agree that 2 if not 3 of the above players will be delisted.

[WE Are Geelong]

That's the wrong way to look at it.

There is little doubt in my mind that we won't delist another three unless there is a specific reason (such as to promote Grima). So whichever way you look at it, we are not using pick 50.

The correct comparison is whether Grima is a better option than the best of your three delistings. I think he is, which is why I would promote him (along with the fact that he is a key forward and we need another one of them).

Its an interesting thing then that Grima is the obvious choice but isnt obviously upgraded?...and thats the point. The decision on him seems to be dependent and conditional on perhaps other extenuating circumstances.

The real question is what might those circumstances be? I can only think of five of which you have already answered some Reg in your postings. List balance...do we need another tall forward option...I agree with you we do. Secondly is he good enough? In 1-2 years surely. Thirdly... what are we giving up in exchange for Grima potentially being on the list? It could well be talent expectations for later picks in exchange for Grima or it might more simply be what did we get with our first pick and would Grima then become the talented VFL player who falls in behind #17 the other tall forward option we just drafted as the best player left available at that pick. Fourthly leading on from the third point if we missed on our preferred tall forward options in the early picks and come to #50 lets say...who is better...Grima or a rookie? Whilst this draft could have some hidden gems later in the field I doubt that will include talented tall forward options. Given we have late picks in the first two rounds we will be at the end of the talent queue and will need some luck for the cards/players to fall our way. Fifth point is less obvious but equally possible that an uncontracted cat player might stroll into the PSD at the last minute and surprise us all. The list may not balance up so well but Grima's chances of staying improve or we decide to look at pick #62 as a live pick. We might be delaying a decision on him waiting to see what transpires ourselves with some uncontracted players who may be offered peanuts in the next 2 weeks due to cap pressures.

So I think its less about the comparison to the guys being delisted as its generally established Grima is the best of the other three for varying reasons so then the only other logical conclusion if he is not upgraded in the next 2 weeks is that we will wait to see what happens in the draft given the PSD scenario is purely hypothetical.

[seniorspanner47]

Matt's gone,Tod hasnt been promoted.Hopefully no more vitriol from"thehoff'.I feel very sorry for Shannon.Another season of poisoned barbs from a broken down "never was" could have been,if only i hadnt broken my ankle.Tosser

[FTW_]

Tod hasnt been promoted.
Yet.
I and many other people won't be very happy if he isn't and I really don't think we won't promote him.

I feel very sorry for Shannon.Another season of poisoned barbs from a broken down "never was" could have been,if only i hadnt broken my ankle.Tosser
Feel sorry for Shannon, uhm, why? (You may have explained it in the remainder of your post but (sorry) I couldn't understand it...)

[catempire]

Yet.
I and many other people won't be very happy if he isn't and I really don't think we won't promote him.


Feel sorry for Shannon, uhm, why? (You may have explained it in the remainder of your post but (sorry) I couldn't understand it...)

Noob.

Senior would know.

[FTW_]

Noob.

Senior would know.
All hail senior!
With a [son with a] chin like that who couldn't believe every word he says!
;)

[catempire]

All hail senior!
With a [son with a] chin like that who couldn't believe every word he says!
;)

Class act.

[re cat]

Owen, Sam Hunt and Spencer.

[eliiiiza]

So... Grima will be promoted, yes?

EDIT: Grima and Reynolds haven't been retained. :(

[CoolCat75]

Just released by GFC:

Delisted: Spencer, S.Hunt, Owen
Rookie Promotion : Lonegan, Davenport (we knew that)

Bedfoord still a rookie, but Grima and Reynolds cut off rookie list

[re cat]

Bedford staying as rookie.

[tin can sam]

Why do we have 5 picks in the National draft, and four rookie picks, when this is supposed to be a weak draft?

[DavidInellaFanClub]

Can't believe we are letting Grima go....some strange list changes going on down there at the moment.

[jess_555]

No surprises there... but what happens to Toddy now. :confused:

[sarah.13]

[quote=tin can sam;9239741]Why do we have 5 picks in the National draft, and four rookie picks, when this is supposed to be a weak draft?[/quote

Obviously the TPP cap is very tight, think Owen is still a chance to be picked up in the Rookie draft.
Grima is unfortunate to be inbetween sizes,not big enough for KP and too slow for a flanker.
Think they are trying to fit Tenace in by creating some spare $.

[WE Are Geelong]

Owen and Grima may be considered for a rookie berth, as in re drafted. Grima wont be around then so its a mute point.

Can anyone shed any light on the Grima decision...simply to mean...more than what we already know? If the simple argument is Lonergan was picked ahead of him because he is the right size with similar ability and that's all we had room for on the list...ok. Was Grima going to ask too much money? Has Grima already been offered a contract by another club for the PSD and has just asked to be delisted? Otherwise finding it a little hard to understand at the moment as Grima will certainly make it to the AFL.

Perhaps with modern footy increasingly being about endurance and leg speed Davenport will actually be brought forward as a forward flanker...as he often played in the VFL. Perhaps considered superior to Grima at the highest level because of those features. Grima obviously has a size advantage but perhaps not strong enough for a Key Forward Position and lacks the endurance and pace of a flank? Obviously the Geelong list is not an easy thing to make and Grima perhaps would cost us too much $$ for little senior game time if any in the next 2 years given our current forward set up. Just thinking out loud really and very much open to other suggestions and possibilities.

I think the club is still bracing itself for the possibility of an uncontracted player opting for the PSD. Could be a while before that one is answered. Pick #62 seems set up for that contingency IMO.

[Budda 230]

Grrrrrr!!!! Can we still promote Grima from this position?

(Trying to keep some hope)....

[sarah.13]

Grrrrrr!!!! Can we still promote Grima from this position?

(Trying to keep some hope)....
NO!!

[jess_555]

I am also hoping that Grima will be staying. I don't understand how/why/WHYYYYYYYYYY they would not keep him. I don't get it! I really thought he would be playing some senior games in 08 (if the Hawk or Nate were injured). Grrrrrrr If he is gone from the GFC I am absolutely shattered for him. :eek:

[Glassjaw]

Grima is unfortunate to be inbetween sizes,not big enough for KP and too slow for a flanker.

He's bigger than Fevola.

[Budda 230]

I am also hoping that Grima will be staying. I don't understand how/why/WHYYYYYYYYYY they would not keep him. I don't get it! I really thought he would be playing some senior games in 08 (if the Hawk or Nate were injured). Grrrrrrr If he is gone from the GFC I am absolutely shattered for him. :eek:

It's absolute bullshit. Unless he has up a price on his head or something???

[WE Are Geelong]

It's absolute bullshit. Unless he has up a price on his head or something???

I wouldnt rule that out. Similar to Thurley 2 years ago. If he did do that hypothetically speaking obviously we would have no room to keep him in the cap as a result.

[sarah.13]

Say we delist Owen, Spencer and Sam Hunt.

We've then got 7 spots on our list (with H, King, Gardiner and Callan gone too).

We're promoting Lonergan and Davenport which leaves 5.

Our last pick is Donohue, so that's our 5th pick - 62.

That makes it virtually a choice between Grima and our second last pick - our 4th pick - 50.

Wells et al will make the call on whether we are likely to get something better than Grima with pick 50.

I have my doubts on whether 50 is likely to be better than Grima, but I put my full faith in Wells and the team.

Can you please forward next Saturdays Tatts Nos.:)
On a more serious note,the delistings announced today leaves us with 4 live picks. I have no doubt that Wells and Co. would have been aware by Rd 14-15 that would be very low in the pecking order in this years Draft.
As such they would have been scouting for hidden gems for quite a long time.I'm sure that we will be wondering who some of our picks are (remember Mackie ) but have no fear,we have some of the best talent recruiters in the business.

[thegerman]

Obviously the TPP cap is very tight, think Owen is still a chance to be picked up in the Rookie draft.
Grima is unfortunate to be inbetween sizes,not big enough for KP and too slow for a flanker.
Think they are trying to fit Tenace in by creating some spare $.[/quote]

Sarah, why keep Tenace?? I have no idea really. Davenport kicks his arse already in pace and skills.

Tenace is still under contract, however needs to improve quite a lot as I can see his spot being overtaken by either Varcoe, Pris and/or eventually Davenport.

[thegerman]

Bedford staying as rookie.

Awesome, I think this kid will go places when he bulks up a bit. Look for him to take a spot next year.

[CatmanForever]

all of "The Naturals" many fans must be feeling really gutted tonight

[catempire]

Can you please forward next Saturdays Tatts Nos.:)

3, 6, 11, 14, 20 and 29.

Oh wait, they're just my favourite Cats players. :p

On a more serious note,the delistings announced today leaves us with 4 live picks. I have no doubt that Wells and Co. would have been aware by Rd 14-15 that would be very low in the pecking order in this years Draft.
As such they would have been scouting for hidden gems for quite a long time.I'm sure that we will be wondering who some of our picks are (remember Mackie ) but have no fear,we have some of the best talent recruiters in the business.

Agree. We have to back our recruiting team in here.

Runs. On. Board.

As for Grima, he's a tad stiff, but he could still get a gig elsewhere. He just wasn't a high-level need for us.

[re cat]

Obviously the TPP cap is very tight, think Owen is still a chance to be picked up in the Rookie draft.
Grima is unfortunate to be inbetween sizes,not big enough for KP and too slow for a flanker.
Think they are trying to fit Tenace in by creating some spare $.

Sarah, why keep Tenace?? I have no idea really. Davenport kicks his arse already in pace and skills.

Tenace is still under contract, however needs to improve quite a lot as I can see his spot being overtaken by either Varcoe, Pris and/or eventually Davenport.[/quote]


Tenace is out of contact.

[catempire]

Why do we have 5 picks in the National draft, and four rookie picks, when this is supposed to be a weak draft?

Who should we have kept?

Some successful teams fall into the trap of not continuing to turn their list over and look to the future. We're not falling for that by cutting dead wood. It's a good move.

He's bigger than Fevola.

He doesn't play that big though. At AFL level, it's hard to see him bustling against the likes of Glass and Rutten.

[JUBJUB]

all of "The Naturals" many fans must be feeling really gutted tonight

This shattering news could knock Cuz off the front pages of tomorrows WA papers

[JUBJUB]

Why do we have 5 picks in the National draft, and four rookie picks, when this is supposed to be a weak draft?

Apart from Grima,who of the traded or delisted players was worth keeping ?

Callan was never going to get a fair run at Geelong.The others are easily replaceable.

[FTW_]

I am also hoping that Grima will be staying. I don't understand how/why/WHYYYYYYYYYY they would not keep him. I don't get it! I really thought he would be playing some senior games in 08 (if the Hawk or Nate were injured). Grrrrrrr If he is gone from the GFC I am absolutely shattered for him. :eek:
Agreed! He was my favourite rookie, grrrr! :mad:
Grima was really great and we're getting a little too big for our boots if we don't think we need Grima as depth or that he's not good enough.
I'm not very happy that we kept Tenace and delisted Grima...
Hopefully Owen will be re-rookied as he's now my #1 hottest at the club... and that's a bit rough delisting him after injuring his ACL.
-officially the end of Mrs. Hethrew Plancer since both have been delisted/traded-

[sarah.13]

Sarah, why keep Tenace?? I have no idea really. Davenport kicks his arse already in pace and skills.

Tenace is still under contract, however needs to improve quite a lot as I can see his spot being overtaken by either Varcoe, Pris and/or eventually Davenport.

Tenace is uncontracted at this stage. This year he played as many games as the 7 delisted players combined.
At the start of the year he was being groomed as the running back,link player. Was stiff to cop a hamstring injury during the pre-season which interrupted his preparation.
Came back and played some useful games then re-injured himself.
If he can have an injury free year he is definitely in Bombers plans. I rate him a better player than Byrnes and D.J. and adds good depth as our 22-26 best player.

[tiredcat]

Rather surprised we have removed 5 players over 190 cm 3 of them being backmen leaving us with few options in backline if injuries become a problem next year. Thought keeping either H or Hunt as a backup would have given a little insurance.
No draft pick is going to be ready to fill a key position for 2 or 3 years

[geelong_boy]

As one of the many internet experts, I can't believe Grima hasn't been promoted.

Decent height for a FF, and still young, Todd had time to mature and show improvement. If for example he was was promoted and given a two year contract, the club, in the worst case senario (ie. if Grima didn't make it), could at least say that it gave the kid a chance.

That improvement could have come down back or deep in the forward line. As others have mentioned, we cut a fair bit of our tall defensive back-ups (SHunt, Spencer, Playfair).

This one doesn't make sense.

[sarah.13]

Rather surprised we have removed 5 players over 190 cm 3 of them being backmen leaving us with few options in backline if injuries become a problem next year. Thought keeping either H or Hunt as a backup would have given a little insurance.
No draft pick is going to be ready to fill a key position for 2 or 3 years

I can see your point, but none of those players were up to replacing Scarlett and Harley when they retire in 2-4 years time.
Our current squad will have us up there till that happens. We need to prepare now for when that happens. We need to find some first grade talent that will step up when that happens.
At this stage we have Harley, Scarlett,Egan, Lonergan, Milburn, Mackie (192cm) and Possibly S.Thompson from the draft.

[geelong_boy]

As for Grima, he's a tad stiff, but he could still get a gig elsewhere. He just wasn't a high-level need for us.

We're not talking about Gardiner or Playfair here, we're talking about an unknown quantity who in a couple of years could be very good. He perhaps could've gotten a shot next year if those in front of him were to be injured or out of form.

Say the club promoted him and then delisted him in a couple of years - at least they gave him every chance of making it rather than allowing him to go some other club and kicking ar$e for that team.

[catempire]

We're not talking about Gardiner or Playfair here, we're talking about an unknown quantity who in a couple of years could be very good. He perhaps could've gotten a shot next year if those in front of him were to be injured or out of form.

Say the club promoted him and then delisted him in a couple of years - at least they gave him every chance of making it rather than allowing him to go some other club and kicking ar$e for that team.

Got to trust the call that's been made.

We haven't been burned too often on these types of decisions.

[Stokes-Selwood-Prismall]

My thought is that he's been offered another gig at another club on fairly high wages. Maybe the Dogs? So he's guaranteed a game round 1 and on better wages than he'd get with us. I think thats what's happened

[FTW_]

Todd Grima shocked by Cats delisting. (http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2007/10/17/7942_gfc.html)

[Rosella]

My thought is that he's been offered another gig at another club on fairly high wages. Maybe the Dogs? So he's guaranteed a game round 1 and on better wages than he'd get with us. I think thats what's happened

That can't happen. He's a delisted rookie so he goes into the draft - no doubt he'll be picked up but no club can guarantee it.

I'm a bit surprised by not elevating him, but I do trust the club to make the right decisions. Who knows, they may even pick him themselves if he's still available.

[worthogs]

Rather surprised we have removed 5 players over 190 cm 3 of them being backmen leaving us with few options in backline if injuries become a problem next year. Thought keeping either H or Hunt as a backup would have given a little insurance.
No draft pick is going to be ready to fill a key position for 2 or 3 years

Height is one thing talent is another. We have enough backup. We lost our tallest defender before the finals and didnt miss him. Add Lonegan in and you have the height required. None of those chopped were going to get near the best 30 players. Thompson may well get selected.

for some scary reason I have the thought that GFC may pick L Whitnall as a uncontracted player...god knows why but it sits in the scary depths of the beer shriveled sections of the mind

[thegerman]

Tenace is uncontracted at this stage. This year he played as many games as the 7 delisted players combined.
At the start of the year he was being groomed as the running back,link player. Was stiff to cop a hamstring injury during the pre-season which interrupted his preparation.
Came back and played some useful games then re-injured himself.
If he can have an injury free year he is definitely in Bombers plans. I rate him a better player than Byrnes and D.J. and adds good depth as our 22-26 best player.

Probably agree with you there, I do like Tenace more than Byrnes, however I do rate DJ higher than both. Plus DJ will play a different spot to both, and I believe he has more ability to put his body on the line.

Tenace really has to get a wriggle on, I can see a number of players looking at his spot in or around the best 22-26 range.

I agree with other posters, that I found it weird to get rid of H, Hunt and Spencer all at once. Would rather have kept H for just in case, and then get rid of the rest.

If Tenace is uncontracted, will he look elsewhere ??

Just for my info, probably others too, is the PSD prior to the draft ??

[re cat]

No the draft is first. The PSD and then the rookie draft are the same day.

[ryderman]

why does everybody seem to rate Grima- he is slow and not up to afl standard

Spencer was the biggest dud i have ever seen.

Sam Hunt was a little stiff- he would fit well into Hawthorn's defence- me thinks.

Tenace is a reasonable backup, end looked ok working off half back before he had the h/string injury

Prismall is the big sleeper for next year.

The cats must bring in some young talent in the draft- with a ruckman as our first pick.

We have a plethora of midfielders and probably need to replace Milburn, Harley and Scarlett in next 3-4 years- Scotty thomson is a certainty.

Simon Hogan looked pretty weak in 2007 res's, and will be lucky to stay in 2009 if he he doesnt bulk up and also toughen up.

[Catman]

Grima was really great and we're getting a little too big for our boots if we don't think we need Grima as depth or that he's not good enough.

What a stupid comment.

[Furious_G]

Nobody should be surprised with Hunt going, he is a hack. Great VFL player, but he was at Essendon as well. I can't cut it in the big leagues. All the others seem to not matter here or there.

[Copernicus]

A little surprised to hear of Grima's delisting - not sure if the club has something up their sleeve there or whether he was asking for more money than we can afford currently? Don't know really. Does the GFC ever come out and explain delistings? Don't suppose they would feel the need to do so but it would be nice to know the official reason for Todd's delisting, especially as he seemed such a prospect.

Going by the posts here, it seems some are unaware that Tenace has been resigned?

[PsyCrow23]

I was hoping Grima would be drafted to Adelaide in '05 after watching his 9.0 goals for tassie in the u-18 championships. hope he gets a 2nd chance elsewhere preferably the crows

[MmkMrMackie]

We have a severe shortage of tall defenders, and we've offloaded both Playfair and Sam Hunt. I know Playfair was just crap, but as mentioned previously, Shunt could consider himself unlucky. We definitely need to draft a tall defender and a ruckman in this year's draft...

Both Grima and Shunt will get picked up in the PSD I reckon. Spencer is even a chance at a club like Richmond or the Bulldogs.

[Budda 230]

I thought he must have put a price on his head. But by the looks of that Geelong Addy article, he hasn't. Looks like Geelong just don't rate him high enough to promote him! Seriously, as if we are going to get a better player at pick 50 in a weak draft!!

We have now delisted or traded 6 players who play tall in King, Playfair, Spencer, Hunt, Grima and to a lesser extent Gardiner. There is plenty of room to promote a tall who can play both ends in Grima (even with Lonergan promoted). What don't they see in him that everyone else does?

[ryderman]

What a stupid comment.

good one- are u related to grima?

im happy to go head to head with u!

i consider myself more than well versed on the performance/non-performance of GFC players.

u must understand that GFC now has Mooney, Ablett, Hawkins, Ottens as key position forwards- keep up with the modern game mate- as it is clear that f/forwards are a thing of the past.

Perfect footballer is 6 foot 3 mobile quick and NOT grima

[kriso182]

good one- are u related to grima?

im happy to go head to head with u!

i consider myself more than well versed on the performance/non-performance of GFC players.

u must understand that GFC now has Mooney, Ablett, Hawkins, Ottens as key position forwards- keep up with the modern game mate- as it is clear that f/forwards are a thing of the past.

Perfect footballer is 6 foot 3 mobile quick and NOT grima

Catman wasn't referring to your post mate.

-Kris

[sarah.13]

good one- are u related to grima?

im happy to go head to head with u!

i consider myself more than well versed on the performance/non-performance of GFC players.

u must understand that GFC now has Mooney, Ablett, Hawkins, Ottens as key position forwards- keep up with the modern game mate- as it is clear that f/forwards are a thing of the past.

Perfect footballer is 6 foot 3 mobile quick and NOT grima

Would hardly describe these 3!

[Rosso]

Said in the addy that they may look at redrafting him as a rookie so the door is not completely shut. Should be able to find opportunities elsewhere.

Fire mine the club has done very well over the past few weeks. The trading of Playfair & Charlie has been mooted for 2-3 years and Callan was convinced at the end of last year to hang around for another 12 months all to no avail. About time some would say.... King made way for the salary cap and although I would've preferred him to stay, I can see the clubs need to move him on. By doing this the club has removed some players that would be fairly limited as far as AFL opportunities go. This not only injects new players and enthusiasm to the club but it also gives blokes like West the opportunities to experience more ground time, something that's required before taking the next step.

[darren forssman]

We have now delisted or traded 6 players who play tall in King, Playfair, Spencer, Hunt, Grima and to a lesser extent Gardiner. There is plenty of room to promote a tall who can play both ends in Grima (even with Lonergan promoted). What don't they see in him that everyone else does?

seriously?

maybe he is not up to AFL level and seen as a good VFL player!!

nick sauntner rips the VFL a new one. why hasnt he been drafted?

[Unwritten_Law]

Partridge, the main reason is that the club have already announced that Davenport and Lonergan are in but there's no word on Grima.

The club kept Todd hanging until Tenace made his decision it seems :(

[ryderman]

Would hardly describe these 3!

my point is that you can only have a small handful of key position players

Is grima better than Ablett, Mooney, Hawkins and Ottens- answer No

Dont forget Lonergan too- he looks far more versatile than the likes of Grima.

[sarah.13]

my point is that you can only have a small handful of key position players

Is grima better than Ablett, Mooney, Hawkins and Ottens- answer No

Dont forget Lonergan too- he looks far more versatile than the likes of Grima.

Ahh ! Took it the wrong way. Agree with what your saying Here.

[jess_555]

why does everybody seem to rate Grima- he is slow and not up to afl standard

First of all I really don't think he is slow. Second, Toddy was out VFL highest goal kicker... kicked 51 goals. Thirdly, he never got a chance at AFL level. I was so sure he would be getting a game in the seniors in 08 if one of our forwards was injured. I still don't understand why he was delisted.

I'm still holding on to the hope that we will pick him up in the draft... but it's not looking good. :(:(:(

[WE Are Geelong]

First of all I really don't think he is slow. Second, Toddy was out VFL highest goal kicker... kicked 51 goals. Thirdly, he never got a chance at AFL level. I was so sure he would be getting a game in the seniors in 08 if one of our forwards was injured. I still don't understand why he was delisted.

I'm still holding on to the hope that we will pick him up in the draft... but it's not looking good. :(:(:(

I think it's been hinted that Grima will be reconsidered again for the rookie draft if he is still around. If we didnt feel he was up to AFL standard that wouldnt even be suggested.

So I agree with you...he is up to it...but unlucky to be at a club where there is already such tall forward talent. I think his other problem is that he is still two years away and there are three younger type forwards ahead of him in Nathan and the two Toms.

Tough call on the kid but I think again the club did what they had to do...lets see what happens in the draft.

[foxdoog50]

There a few threads strating up in BigFooty eg Hathorn and Kangaroos interrested in him...

[CatmanForever]

yeah I think Grima has a shot of being selected at another club

[giantroo]

Yeh, he is an interesting draft prospect for us. Enjoyed how he played this year. Could be a good add to our squad.

[Reg Hickey]

First of all I really don't think he is slow.

Can't agree with you there. I watched the VFL PF and GF tapes again recently and one thing he ain't is quick.

[Reg Hickey]

I think it's been hinted that Grima will be reconsidered again for the rookie draft if he is still around. If we didnt feel he was up to AFL standard that wouldnt even be suggested.

So I agree with you...he is up to it...but unlucky to be at a club where there is already such tall forward talent. I think his other problem is that he is still two years away and there are three younger type forwards ahead of him in Nathan and the two Toms.

Tough call on the kid but I think again the club did what they had to do...lets see what happens in the draft.

Surely if we thought he was up to AFL standard we would have kept him? We already had enough spots to fulfill our quota of picks in the draft, and as a promoted rookie he's hardly in a position to demand big $$$, so I don't think salary cap issues were a problem.

The only possible reason to dump him now is that we don't think he is up to it and hope to give some other kid a go (or alternatively Fergus Watts through the PSD - and yes I really think this is a possibility) in his place.

[sarah.13]

" In WELLS we trust "

[sarah.13]

[quote=Reg Hickey;9256910]
The only possible reason to dump him now is that we don't think he is up to it and hope to give some other kid a go

A little birdy told me that there might have been some behavioral issues involved. :cool: