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hotpies12
21 Oct 2007, 14:20
Just wanted to see what other people think of the queenslanders. Everyone talks about all other states and no one seems to say anything about the emerging talent coming from Queensland. Their are alot of players that are under rated from up there. This is my oppinion-


1) Joel Smouha - Mt Gravatt
2) Dayne Zorko - Broadbeach
3) David Hille - Zillmere
4) James Mulligan - Southport
5) Rhys Magin - Zillmere
6) Sam Reid - Zillmere
7) Joey Daye - Zillmere
8) Daniel Brittain - Southport
9) Darrin Stewart- Broadbeach
10) Ben Gibson - Morningside
11) Daniel Stewart - Labrador
12) Brendan Whitecross - Zillmere
13) Mark Davis - Mt Gravatt
14) Mitch Enright - Mt Gravatt


Thats just my thoughts. Dont think they will al go but just wanted to know what other people thought.
Thanks guys:)

sinepari
21 Oct 2007, 14:40
Is that in order?

hotpies12
21 Oct 2007, 14:52
Is that in order?
Yes, but thats roughly my opinion.
Feel free to make your own comments or have your say where you think they will go.
Thanks
:)

TheBrownDog
21 Oct 2007, 15:14
Whitecross too low IMO.

Vidman
21 Oct 2007, 15:17
Just wanted to see what other people think of the queenslanders. Everyone talks about all other states and no one seems to say anything about the emerging talent coming from Queensland.


and thats the way we'd like it please, welcome to our rookie list gentlemen!:thumbsu:

morphous
21 Oct 2007, 15:18
Just wanted to see what other people think of the queenslanders. Everyone talks about all other states and no one seems to say anything about the emerging talent coming from Queensland. Their are alot of players that are under rated from up there. This is my oppinion-


1) Joel Smouha - Mt Gravatt
2) Dayne Zorko - Broadbeach
3) David Hille - Zillmere
4) James Mulligan - Southport
5) Rhys Magin - Zillmere
6) Sam Reid - Zillmere
7) Joey Daye - Zillmere
8) Daniel Brittain - Southport
9) Darrin Stewart- Broadbeach
10) Ben Gibson - Morningside
11) Daniel Stewart - Labrador
12) Brendan Whitecross - Zillmere
13) Mark Davis - Mt Gravatt
14) Mitch Enright - Mt Gravatt


Thats just my thoughts. Dont think they will al go but just wanted to know what other people thought.
Thanks guys:)

Brittan isn't top 14, nor would Enright. I'd add Jake Spencer in the top 10.

sinepari
21 Oct 2007, 16:03
My top 5 from that list:

Reid
Whitecross
Mulligan
Daye
Smouha

sblack
21 Oct 2007, 16:15
My top 5 from that list:

Reid
Whitecross
Mulligan
Daye
Smouha
i like the look of that one

Sherminator.
21 Oct 2007, 16:19
I reckon Reid, will be the best Queenslander to come out of thsi draft. He has plenty of upside, though he didnt show much at the Champs due to injuries he has remarkable clearance skills by hand. Terrific work rate.\

Whitecross, is also come onto the radar with very impressive performances at DC. Great runner, reasonable skills, athletic, tough.

Zorko, though very short is a tough nut. Wins the ball, kicks goals, has solid skills and tackles.

Two of those 3 mentioned above will be Lions in 2008. :)

My Top 5-
Reid
Whitecross
Smouha
Daye
Zorko

Vacuous Space
21 Oct 2007, 16:20
How does this year's Queensland talent compare to last year's? IIRC, there were a record number of Queenslanders taken in last year's draft.

Saints have used their first pick the last two years on Queenslanders. Is Smouha worth pick 9 or is that too early for him?

davey_23
21 Oct 2007, 16:49
How does this year's Queensland talent compare to last year's? IIRC, there were a record number of Queenslanders taken in last year's draft.

Saints have used their first pick the last two years on Queenslanders. Is Smouha worth pick 9 or is that too early for him?
Way to early.

Vacuous Space
21 Oct 2007, 16:57
Way to early.

Because? I know he's skinny, but what are the knocks on his footy?

sinepari
21 Oct 2007, 17:00
Because? I know he's skinny, but what are the knocks on his footy?

There are doubts as to whether he will be tall enough to ruck at AFL level, and whether he will be up to filling a KP post.

While he has shown terrific athletic traits, he's still very raw. His skills are ok, but the doubts over his ability to ruck at AFL level will probably deter clubs from taking him early. However, wouldn't surprise me if he went from late 2nd round onwards.

hotpies12
21 Oct 2007, 17:09
What are your thoughts on Reid?
Where and When do you think he will go?

sinepari
21 Oct 2007, 17:15
A little dissapointing this year IMO (prior to injury), however still ticks most of the right boxes. Pretty poor showing at the champs, but I think recruiters will look beyond that to a certain extent. An excellent user of the ball, which will definitely appeal. Has a touch of class that makes him stand out.

Still a few question marks, but I'd expect him to be gone by 40.

I have him in the 25-40 bracket.

GoDons
21 Oct 2007, 17:28
Just wanted to see what other people think of the queenslanders. Everyone talks about all other states and no one seems to say anything about the emerging talent coming from Queensland. Their are alot of players that are under rated from up there. This is my oppinion-


1) Joel Smouha - Mt Gravatt
2) Dayne Zorko - Broadbeach
3) David Hille - Zillmere
4) James Mulligan - Southport
5) Rhys Magin - Zillmere
6) Sam Reid - Zillmere
7) Joey Daye - Zillmere
8) Daniel Brittain - Southport
9) Darrin Stewart- Broadbeach
10) Ben Gibson - Morningside
11) Daniel Stewart - Labrador
12) Brendan Whitecross - Zillmere
13) Mark Davis - Mt Gravatt
14) Mitch Enright - Mt Gravatt


Thats just my thoughts. Dont think they will al go but just wanted to know what other people thought.
Thanks guys:)

I can't see Queenslanders featuring so prominently in this year's draft.

As it stands now, I'd rate them like this:

1. Sam Reid: I've got him down to go in the 20-30 bracket. The class factor will make up for his performances at the Champs.
2. James Mulligan: He could go just about anywhere, but, given the nature of this draft, I can see a club taking a chance on him early in the 3rd round. He could be great, he could be a let down.
3. Brendan Whitecross: Another player where it's hard to judge. He should go around 30-50 as he certainly has some style about him. Could well go ahead of Mulligan.
4. Joel Smouha: His Draft Camp will boost his value and should shoot him up to the late 3rd round. He would be a project player, but he could be a very good player.
5. Joseph Daye: Got speed and some height on his side. His skills lack though and that will drop his value dramatically. I expect him to go somehwere in the 4th round.
6. Dayne Zorko: His lack of height will probably lead to him being looked over on Draft day. However, he should get rookie listed and he could pay off.
7. Rhys Magin: I thought he was a chance to go late last year, seems to have drifted out people's minds this year. He might find himself on a rookie list.

The others I don't know enough about to judge.

Sherminator.
21 Oct 2007, 17:38
7. Rhys Magin: I thought he was a chance to go late last year, seems to have drifted out people's minds this year. He might find himself on a rookie list.

The others I don't know enough about to judge.

Zorko, Magin and possible Clarke (21 year-old winger) are the PSD/Rookie candidates for the Lions.

GoDons
21 Oct 2007, 17:40
Zorko, Magin and possible Clarke (21 year-old winger) are the PSD/Rookie candidates for the Lions.

I think Zorko will be looked at by Victorian clubs as well, he was pretty good in the Championships and they no doubt would've noticed that.

HBF
21 Oct 2007, 18:13
Whitecross too low IMO.

I'd have Sam Ried at #1.

Vacuous Space
21 Oct 2007, 18:52
There are doubts as to whether he will be tall enough to ruck at AFL level, and whether he will be up to filling a KP post.

Aren't those the same questions on Ben McEvoy though? And people here consistently put McEvoy in the top ten. Smouha's only a couple of CMs shy of McEvoy and from what I gather is the more mobile of the two.

I'm not saying I want Smouha at 9, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if some teams like his athleticism enough to put him ahead of McEvoy. I would be stunned if he was still available by the time the Saints second pick comes around. It all depends though on how much teams think his footy skills will improve.

sinepari
21 Oct 2007, 18:55
Aren't those the same questions on Ben McEvoy though? And people here consistently put McEvoy in the top ten. Smouha's only a couple of CMs shy of McEvoy and from what I gather is the more mobile of the two.

I'm not saying I want Smouha at 9, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if some teams like his athleticism enough to put him ahead of McEvoy. I would be stunned if he was still available by the time the Saints second pick comes around. It all depends though on how much teams think his footy skills will improve.

McEvoy is 199cm and will probably end up at around 200ish. If Smouha grows the same amount, he's only going to be 197cm and that isn't really a popular height for recruiters (for ruckman).

McEvoy to me has more footy smarts. He's a genuine footballer, and it shows. Can easily fill a KP role.

TOA.
21 Oct 2007, 19:20
Whitecross should be in the first couple of Qld's. Bottom-age, quality DC, good room for improvement etc.

Vacuous Space
21 Oct 2007, 19:30
If Smouha grows the same amount, he's only going to be 197cm and that isn't really a popular height for recruiters (for ruckman).

I don't think his height would worry recruiters as much as his weight if he's going to ruck. Either way, you're probably right. He's probably somewhere in the second to third round range.

hotpies12
22 Oct 2007, 09:17
Whitecross should be in the first couple of Qld's. Bottom-age, quality DC, good room for improvement etc.
Not in my opinion. At DC he ran a good beep test and the very next day pulled out before 3km because he said he had been sick that night. To me thats just a poor excuse and there has been other times when he has pulled out of running exercises etc. Would not be surprised if he is picked up next year and not this year.

Vidman
22 Oct 2007, 10:21
I reckon Reid, will be the best Queenslander to come out of thsi draft. He has plenty of upside, though he didnt show much at the Champs due to injuries he has remarkable clearance skills by hand. Terrific work rate.\

Whitecross, is also come onto the radar with very impressive performances at DC. Great runner, reasonable skills, athletic, tough.

Zorko, though very short is a tough nut. Wins the ball, kicks goals, has solid skills and tackles.

Two of those 3 mentioned above will be Lions in 2008. :)

My Top 5-
Reid
Whitecross
Smouha
Daye
Zorko

Reid sounds like the sort of player matthews said he would be targetting? do you agree sherms?:thumbsu:

The Flying Belgian
22 Oct 2007, 11:02
Just wanted to see what other people think of the queenslanders. Everyone talks about all other states and no one seems to say anything about the emerging talent coming from Queensland. Their are alot of players that are under rated from up there. This is my oppinion-


1) Joel Smouha - Mt Gravatt
2) Dayne Zorko - Broadbeach
3) David Hille - Zillmere
4) James Mulligan - Southport
5) Rhys Magin - Zillmere
6) Sam Reid - Zillmere
7) Joey Daye - Zillmere
8) Daniel Brittain - Southport
9) Darrin Stewart- Broadbeach
10) Ben Gibson - Morningside
11) Daniel Stewart - Labrador
12) Brendan Whitecross - Zillmere
13) Mark Davis - Mt Gravatt
14) Mitch Enright - Mt Gravatt


Thats just my thoughts. Dont think they will al go but just wanted to know what other people thought.
Thanks guys:)

You seem to have it in for Whitecross, but ignoring that I'd agree that I think a club may be tempted to use a earlier-than-expected pick of Smouha. Magin's dropped off the radar a bit although could be a smokey late pick. Likewise Gibson.

I've said before there's a tendency from many on here to write off the Qlders this year based solely on their disappointing carnival form. That's understandable due to most pundits not being able to watch them week in week out. But is it fair to write off a player because the team fared had poorer depth than previous years. Mind you I think most recruiters are good enough to look past that to a certain extent. Mind you i hope they don't so we can nab a few of them as rookies. :D

POBT
23 Oct 2007, 15:13
You seem to have it in for Whitecross,

I'm glad someone else notices it.

I've said before there's a tendency from many on here to write off the Qlders this year based solely on their disappointing carnival form. That's understandable due to most pundits not being able to watch them week in week out.

My big concern is that there wasn't the same buzz about this year's group when they came back to the AFLQ. I remember last year that guys like Renouf, Tippett, Kiel, Armitage, Hampson, etc were all highly regarded for their performances in senior footy in the second half of the season. This year, Zorko has received rave reviews but I can't really think of any other potential draftee who has stood out in the local comp.

In 2005, the Qld draftees were Dempsey (19), Mills (25), Gilbert (33), Hooper (41), West (57) and Lucy (66). I would expect a draft crop closer to 2005 (which was then a record year) than to 2006.

brissyboy
23 Oct 2007, 22:11
thats probably because the top prospect of Reid was injured and before that he was playing good footy.
dont get me wrong zorko was good and is a gun player but injuries cost reid and i dont know what happened to the rest.

Sherminator.
23 Oct 2007, 22:22
Reid sounds like the sort of player matthews said he would be targetting? do you agree sherms?:thumbsu:
Indeed, the best player by hand in the draft IMO. Sublime in close. Fully developed, Reid will be a very strong bodied centreman. :)

Vidman
25 Oct 2007, 11:43
Indeed, the best player by hand in the draft IMO. Sublime in close. Fully developed, Reid will be a very strong bodied centreman. :)

Will he last till our second round pick? and would you take him? How is he physically? is he an "athlete" (cant play) or a "footballer" (good but slow)?

Doug_Hondo
26 Oct 2007, 11:33
Just wanted to see what other people think of the queenslanders. Everyone talks about all other states and no one seems to say anything about the emerging talent coming from Queensland. Their are alot of players that are under rated from up there. This is my oppinion-


1) Joel Smouha - Mt Gravatt
2) Dayne Zorko - Broadbeach
3) David Hille - Zillmere
4) James Mulligan - Southport
5) Rhys Magin - Zillmere
6) Sam Reid - Zillmere
7) Joey Daye - Zillmere
8) Daniel Brittain - Southport
9) Darrin Stewart- Broadbeach
10) Ben Gibson - Morningside
11) Daniel Stewart - Labrador
12) Brendan Whitecross - Zillmere
13) Mark Davis - Mt Gravatt
14) Mitch Enright - Mt Gravatt


Thats just my thoughts. Dont think they will al go but just wanted to know what other people thought.
Thanks guys:)

That's Matty Davis....not talked about by any of the southerns but the kid is special. Massive vertical leap and has sensational skills, reads the play well can play forward back and in the midfield. Really good player, not sure if he will get drafted but should find himself on the lions rookie list and what a bargain that will turn out to be for lions IMO.

Clarke and Daniel Stewart two mature aged from labrador went to screening and are also top players. Stewart a great contested CHF which a few teams (Bulldogs, Richmond, West Coast) would be interested in and Clarke a hard running goal kicking wingman...both unreal state league players up here..

Breakthelines
26 Oct 2007, 11:39
That's Matty Davis....not talked about by any of the southerns but the kid is special. Massive vertical leap and has sensational skills, reads the play well can play forward back and in the midfield. Really good player, not sure if he will get drafted but should find himself on the lions rookie list and what a bargain that will turn out to be for lions IMO.

Clarke and Daniel Stewart two mature aged from labrador went to screening and are also top players. Stewart a great contested CHF which a few teams (Bulldogs, Richmond, West Coast) would be interested in and Clarke a hard running goal kicking wingman...both unreal state league players up here..

What about Rory Lake? He has been runner up the last 2 years at Mt. Gravatt B & F....did a pre-season with Essendon in 2006...only 22 years old and classy!

BYZA
26 Oct 2007, 12:15
That's Matty Davis....not talked about by any of the southerns but the kid is special. Massive vertical leap and has sensational skills, reads the play well can play forward back and in the midfield. Really good player, not sure if he will get drafted but should find himself on the lions rookie list and what a bargain that will turn out to be for lions IMO.

Clarke and Daniel Stewart two mature aged from labrador went to screening and are also top players. Stewart a great contested CHF which a few teams (Bulldogs, Richmond, West Coast) would be interested in and Clarke a hard running goal kicking wingman...both unreal state league players up here..

Yes Davis, was also in Allies match and at State Screenings, a Rookie maybe.Mat Clarke is 21 but Daniel Stewart is only 18.

Doug_Hondo
26 Oct 2007, 13:11
18 yes but missed out last years draft so moved up to QLD and stood out at CHF and filling in the ruck occasionally...R.Lake will be playing VFL next year with the Tassie along with Andrew Scott, neither would look out of place on an AFL list.

P.S- Hille is probably the worst QLD ruckman out of that group, Mulligan Spencer Smouha all far better...

Palmer Stoat
26 Oct 2007, 13:19
18 yes but missed out last years draft so moved up to QLD and stood out at CHF and filling in the ruck occasionally...R.Lake will be playing VFL next year with the Tassie along with Andrew Scott, neither would look out of place on an AFL list.

P.S- Hille is probably the worst QLD ruckman out of that group, Mulligan Spencer Smouha all far better...

How would you rate the rucks, DH? Spencer doesn't get mentioned much, but I'm pretty sure that Quigley, another Qld poster, rates him. What sort of attributes does he have?

Doug_Hondo
26 Oct 2007, 13:30
How would you rate the rucks, DH? Spencer doesn't get mentioned much, but I'm pretty sure that Quigley, another Qld poster, rates him. What sort of attributes does he have?

To be honest ive seen the least of spencer of the lot, dont see many redlands games. Mulligan is a massive unit and his ruck skills are pretty good, Smouha is raw has a red hot crack and his skills aren't as bad as people say, he can kick both feet and he runs all day and isnt afraid to do the hard stuff which is rare for a big man. But from what i saw of hille he was just looked goofy and his skills were horrible..
So basically im just going off what others have said about spencer...

Breakthelines
26 Oct 2007, 14:22
18 yes but missed out last years draft so moved up to QLD and stood out at CHF and filling in the ruck occasionally...R.Lake will be playing VFL next year with the Tassie along with Andrew Scott, neither would look out of place on an AFL list.

P.S- Hille is probably the worst QLD ruckman out of that group, Mulligan Spencer Smouha all far better...

How you know they are going to play for Tassie?

Doug_Hondo
26 Oct 2007, 14:35
its 90% confirmed.

Breakthelines
26 Oct 2007, 14:41
its 90% confirmed.

you know him?

blues2010
26 Oct 2007, 15:59
18 yes but missed out last years draft so moved up to QLD and stood out at CHF and filling in the ruck occasionally...R.Lake will be playing VFL next year with the Tassie along with Andrew Scott, neither would look out of place on an AFL list.

P.S- Hille is probably the worst QLD ruckman out of that group, Mulligan Spencer Smouha all far better...
is that Andrew Scott the landscape gardener?

Breakthelines
26 Oct 2007, 16:02
is that Andrew Scott the landscape gardener?

Yep...you know him?

blues2010
26 Oct 2007, 16:05
Yep...you know him?
yes i do, friends with Brett his dad and Andrew is a top kid. Played under 18 champs about 2 years ago and built like a brick s***house

Doug_Hondo
26 Oct 2007, 20:10
A.Scott...never gets beaten and his skills are spot on...Champion player..