View Full Version : Fremantle axe Collard, Mourish, Dunn, Walker & Haddrill
PinCushion
22 Oct 2007, 20:59
Fremantle announced changes to their 2008 playing list on Monday afternoon with five senior-listed players and two rookies delisted.
After 151 games in ten years, utility James Walker was cut, while seasoned campaigner Robert Haddrill was also axed after 58 matches in six years at Fremantle.
Inexperienced trio Ryley Dunn, Calib Mourish and Clayton Collard were also cut from the main squad, while rookies Darren Rumble and Benet Copping were not offered contract extensions.
The Dockers specifically thanked Walker and Haddrill for their services to the club in a statement released on Monday.
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They will have to pay out Collard and Mourish as they were contracted for 2 years.
Brahma Bull
22 Oct 2007, 21:07
Isn't Dunn a defender? I hope Collingwood look at him and Collard.
The Royal Sampler
22 Oct 2007, 21:08
Amazed at Collard. There must be something serious going on there. :eek:
TylerDurden
22 Oct 2007, 21:11
Why would they cut Collard after one year? Was supposed to be a jet...
danzan22
22 Oct 2007, 21:12
Shcoked at the news of Mourish and Collard, so now basically last years draft was a waste for them.
a number of clubs will be looking at some of these names... you'd think dunn, collard and haddrill will all be a chance of getting picked up...
nivek48
22 Oct 2007, 21:18
In the afl.com article it says 'The club will be seeking permission from the AFL for Clayton, Calib and Ryley to commence pre-season training with Fremantle'
Are they going to rookie list or redraft them?
Fremantle's drafting/trading has always been baffling! :rolleyes:
Bradesmaen
22 Oct 2007, 21:20
In the afl.com article it says 'The club will be seeking permission from the AFL for Clayton, Calib and Ryley to commence pre-season training with Fremantle'
Are they going to rookie list or redraft them?
Fremantle's drafting/trading has always been baffling! :rolleyes:
Rookie list because they are around 2 years off playing AFL footy at the most.
Its like NHL drafting, you draft them and send them back to their juniors, just so you have them on your list and no one else can get them. So instead of throwing the insults, learn a little first.
Rookie list because they are around 2 years off playing AFL footy at the most.
Its like NHL drafting, you draft them and send them back to their juniors, just so you have them on your list and no one else can get them. So instead of throwing the insults, learn a little first.
Not sure I follow.
Any club can draft or rookie Dunn or Collard if they want.
Not sure I follow.
Any club can draft or rookie Dunn or Collard if they want.
Exactly TOA. I don't understand the logic at all... :confused:
Bradesmaen
22 Oct 2007, 21:31
Of course they can, But I meant so no one can get them That particular year.
With the picks Freo had in the 06 draft, people were saying they did close to the best...Amazed they would throw that all away.
NiGHTFuRY
22 Oct 2007, 21:37
Mourish was a speculative pick at best. Is seemingly not up to the standard expected. Struggling in the East Fremantle seconds most of last season is not a good sign.
Messenger
22 Oct 2007, 21:38
I tend to recall Collard being highly rated but considered to be a WA homing pigeon of the highest order.
I don't imagine much has changed in a year.
sarah.13
22 Oct 2007, 21:56
Rookie list because they are around 2 years off playing AFL footy at the most.
Its like NHL drafting, you draft them and send them back to their juniors, just so you have them on your list and no one else can get them. So instead of throwing the insults, learn a little first.
So you pay them out of the 2nd yr of their contract and then Rookie draft them on another contract? :confused:
Your team is a joke!!
Bradesmaen
22 Oct 2007, 21:57
So you pay them out of the 2nd yr of their contract and then Rookie draft them on another contract? :confused:
Your team is a joke!!
Some football fans will never understand anything beyond knowing how to cheer for their club.
Some football fans will never understand anything beyond knowing how to cheer for their club.
Clearly you fit right in with those football fans. :confused:
You know that anyone can take these players now? same as they could in the last draft? its not like you got them before they were noticed or anything.
Bradesmaen
22 Oct 2007, 22:10
Clearly you fit right in with those football fans. :confused:
You know that anyone can take these players now? same as they could in the last draft? its not like you got them before they were noticed or anything.
You clearly have misunderstood what I wrote.
sarah.13
22 Oct 2007, 22:13
[quote=Bradesmaen;9294030]Some football fans will never understand anything beyond knowing how to cheer for their club.[/quote
And what is it that I and the rest of the Board don't understand, Einstein? :rolleyes:
You clearly have misunderstood what I wrote.
yes clearly :p
This is fun.
Cerpin Taxt
22 Oct 2007, 22:18
I see no issue with delisting a player and picking them up as a rookie. Freo may only wish to rookie-list one of these players anyway.
nathbear
22 Oct 2007, 22:27
I think the point is that those players will likely not be available to rookie list. Someone WILL pick them up (well, Collard at least) in either the National or Pre-Season draft.
If Fremantle delisted them thinking they could just automatically rookie list them, then they have some serious issues at a management level.
tragicforces
22 Oct 2007, 22:29
So requesting multiple players to train with them is a smokescreen?? Is Harvey trying to do a Sheedy?
sarah.13
22 Oct 2007, 22:30
I see no issue with delisting a player and picking them up as a rookie. Freo may only wish to rookie-list one of these players anyway.
But why on earth would you pay them twice? No logic in that! :confused:
dont bowl there
22 Oct 2007, 22:34
But why on earth would you pay them twice? No logic in that! :confused:
Our list numbers are very tight at the moment, I dont think we care if we have to pay them a little bit more. It seems like a strange move but if we can rookie list 2/3 it will turn out to be very clever.
Im more upset in seeing Haddril get delisted, he is one of the best fullbacks in the comp when fit...thats the key though.
unstable punt
22 Oct 2007, 22:41
Why would they cut Collard after one year? Was supposed to be a jet...
Hope Demons look at him, l suppose Connolly will have the lowdown
unstable punt
22 Oct 2007, 22:42
I see no issue with delisting a player and picking them up as a rookie. Freo may only wish to rookie-list one of these players anyway.
its happened plenty of times
Palmer Stoat
22 Oct 2007, 22:43
Of course they can, But I meant so no one can get them That particular year.
What would be the point of that if you're going to put a year of development into them, then release them so that opposition clubs can swoop in if they're so inclined? What you're saying doesn't make sense in an AFL context.
Cerpin Taxt
22 Oct 2007, 23:09
Freo don't expect to pick up all three.
They obviously don't expect any of the players to seriously push for selection next year.
Collard and Mourish would've been on base-salary, so they're looking at paying out $100,000 of the salary cap. That is absolutely nothing.
Freo obviously believe that the three spaces they've cleared can be better used by either new draftees, or recruits through the PSD.
It's not hard to understand.
Even if all three get picked up before Freo intend to, those players are being given a new home and another chance to play AFL. If no other club is interested, Freo will give them another shot.
$100,000 is a worthy premium. They get to pick this year's crop in the national draft, and are giving themselves the chance to keep these players rather than load up their rookie-list with speculatives.
TheGeneral
22 Oct 2007, 23:14
But why on earth would you pay them twice? No logic in that! :confused:
What do they lose by them putting one on their rookie list if no one else picks them?
It worked with Crowley.....
Russell Robertson was delisted after one year and then re-drafted in the rookie draft.
Cameron_K
22 Oct 2007, 23:20
Collard has been in hot water for a while.
It really is no surprise to anyone who follows South.
juddy_Like
22 Oct 2007, 23:53
I seem to remember some Freo supporters pumping up Collard and Mourish up.
Gotta love BF..... talking shit whilst never seeing them play.
footyman
22 Oct 2007, 23:54
Fremantle's drafting/trading has always been baffling! :rolleyes:Baffling? I can think of other words that describe it better. They had 3 picks in last years draft - 2 of them have been deemed not good enough inside 12 months. I'm sure they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on the recruiting network, watching players over a 3 or 4 year period - how can a club get it that wrong?
You have to wonder why they picked Mourish last year - despite running a 9.7 beep test at WA draft testing and recording a poor 20m sprint time they still drafted him. It seems as though Fremantle got sucked in by the same bit of hype posted on the Bigfooty draft board about him.
Vic Crow
23 Oct 2007, 00:14
Rookie list because they are around 2 years off playing AFL footy at the most.
Its like NHL drafting, you draft them and send them back to their juniors, just so you have them on your list and no one else can get them. So instead of throwing the insults, learn a little first.
You know that I'm a huge hockey fan too Brades and I understand what you're saying but I don't see how that applies to this situation at all. In fact, I don't see how that works under the current AFL drafting system. :confused:
Cheetah
23 Oct 2007, 00:17
Freo don't expect to pick up all three.
They obviously don't expect any of the players to seriously push for selection next year.
Collard and Mourish would've been on base-salary, so they're looking at paying out $100,000 of the salary cap. That is absolutely nothing.
Freo obviously believe that the three spaces they've cleared can be better used by either new draftees, or recruits through the PSD.
It's not hard to understand.
Even if all three get picked up before Freo intend to, those players are being given a new home and another chance to play AFL. If no other club is interested, Freo will give them another shot.
$100,000 is a worthy premium. They get to pick this year's crop in the national draft, and are giving themselves the chance to keep these players rather than load up their rookie-list with speculatives.
Spot on!!!!
plays tall 1
23 Oct 2007, 00:20
Whichever way you look at it, it doesn't augur well for the Freo recruiting department.
Obviously they won't sack the recuiting guys at this late stage (with the draft so close) but beyond that it would have to be on the cards.
Sherminator.
23 Oct 2007, 00:28
Baffling? I can think of other words that describe it better. They had 3 picks in last years draft - 2 of them have been deemed not good enough inside 12 months. I'm sure they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on the recruiting network, watching players over a 3 or 4 year period - how can a club get it that wrong?
You have to wonder why they picked Mourish last year - despite running a 9.7 beep test at WA draft testing and recording a poor 20m sprint time they still drafted him. It seems as though Fremantle got sucked in by the same bit of hype posted on the Bigfooty draft board about him.
Lol! 9.7! Bwahahaha! I am running 12.4 as a seasonal footballer and I am only 15!
Embarassing for Mourish. :o
Freo Dr
23 Oct 2007, 00:38
After trading for tarrant and Soloman last year, Freo had I think the latest draft picks of any club so the picks they had were always going to be speculative. Having seen all three Freo draft picks from last year play at WAFL and AFL level (Collard, Mourish and O'Brian) I agree with what Freo has done.
O'Brian is a real prospect, very hard at the ball player who also has good skills with a long kick.
Mourish still needs a lot more development and I don't think they are risking anything by delisting him. Assuming no other club takes him, Freo will rookie list him. Delisting him and then picking him up as a rookie keeps space for other players more ready for AFL footy on the senior list.
Collard spent the last half of the year barely or not even playing for the South Fremantle reserves in the WAFL. His only AFL game was very poor and he has very long way to go get back to standard and I think that includes off field issues now as well. Maybe this was a bad call by Freo, but he has had a wake up call now because Harvey and Co have drawn a line in the sand for all to see. Hope he gets it together, I strongly suspect Freo with all the other indigineous players (more than any other team) have the best chance of turning him around.
Haddrill would be a good pickup as ready to play key defender for Carlton, Melbourne or Doggies I would think. I think Freo have decided to go for youth there and look at somebody like Drum or others in the draft as backups to McPharlin, Grover, Johnson.
TheRealComptroller
23 Oct 2007, 00:56
Russell Robertson was delisted after one year and then re-drafted in the rookie draft.
I think he was one of those players to have been delisted after only a few months.
IIRC he was drafted in November 1996 and then delisted the following February and then picked up in the first Rookie draft a week or two later.
IIRC the Dees had brought Woewodin over from WA for a rookie spot but they felt he should go straight to the senior list. Robertson then had to leave the senior list. He was later elevated back to the senior list that season.
In under 8 months he gets drafted, delisted, rookie listed and then plays seniors. :eek:
Big Delut
23 Oct 2007, 00:58
Lol! 9.7! Bwahahaha! I am running 12.4 as a seasonal footballer and I am only 15!
Embarassing for Mourish. :o
Geez that is a joke. I hope for his sake it was due to injury. :o
Turbocat
23 Oct 2007, 01:02
Is this simply a matter of a new coach looking at the fresh talent on his list and not liking what he sees? If one is going to be ruthless then its best to do it at the start of a coachs tenure
Its a fact of life that every club must delist , and if the new coach looks at the players on his list and thinks 'too light , too flakey , too disruptive , too outside , too soft , too shabby or too brittle or what ever , its understandable that changes will happen.
With this in mind its probably a shame for Freo that they didn't make the change 12 months earlier. To cut and probably lose a player or two from last years draft so early is just a waste of a very good draft. The one thing that Freo have going for them is the quality of WA kids in this draft.
ImperialPurple
23 Oct 2007, 01:19
But why on earth would you pay them twice? No logic in that! :confused:
They don't get paid twice - unless someone else picks them up; then Freo have to pay them out. Otherwise, they are simply rookies earning senior list wages - a difference of less than $10K apparently.
$100,000 is a worthy premium. They get to pick this year's crop in the national draft, and are giving themselves the chance to keep these players rather than load up their rookie-list with speculatives.
You don't think someone will pick a guy like Collard up before he gets to their first pick in the rookie draft?
Last years draft was not good but when you are coming from a mile behind - it was never going to be easy.
However if you take into account the entire draft/trade period we lost -
*Polak (OK player but outside our 22)
*Medders (with Farmer around - no chance for us)
* First round pick (which I think we would have used on Jetta)
* Couple of late picks
We got in
* Tarrant (was good for us and I think will be better and certainly best 18)
* Solomon (quite a surprise to me - certainly best 18)
* Foster (Rookie list - in our best 22)
* O'Brien (Draft - looks like a solid backman ..just outside our 22 at the moment)
* Smith (Rookie List - speculative but at the moment I think he will play for JLo's spot and get a few games based on his pace)
It is hardly a shocking year.
I am hoping we are clearing the decks and making a run to fill our rookie list and take our picks.
Rookie list has been very kind....I'd love to see what we could produce with 4 picks.
Hadrill - we will miss him but in all honesty he hasn't been on the list for 2 seasons. Walker was time to go. Dunn - again 5 games since 2004 ....if he gets rookie listed fine but he is just taking up space ...Foster deserves a spot more.
DarthTed
23 Oct 2007, 03:14
Of course they can, But I meant so no one can get them That particular year.
That makes absolutely no sense at all.
DarthTed
23 Oct 2007, 03:22
The one thing that Freo have going for them is the quality of WA kids in this draft.
How is that of any advantage to Fremantle? They don't get any priority to those players.
How is that of any advantage to Fremantle? They don't get any priority to those players.
It is an advantage in the rookie draft as this is where you get the less known types with potential (though the advantage is slipping). The home 2 clubs literally have people at multiple jr games and track players from their teens.
Gilmore, Dodd, Foster, Sandilands, Hayden, Grover, Hadrill, Duffield and Webster ....Priddis, Brett Jones, Nickoski, Lynch, Fletcher and Cox
All from the rookie list, from WA and picked up by the local clubs.
Messenger
23 Oct 2007, 08:12
Collard spent the last half of the year barely or not even playing for the South Fremantle reserves in the WAFL. His only AFL game was very poor and he has very long way to go get back to standard and I think that includes off field issues now as well. Maybe this was a bad call by Freo, but he has had a wake up call now because Harvey and Co have drawn a line in the sand for all to see. Hope he gets it together, I strongly suspect Freo with all the other indigineous players (more than any other team) have the best chance of turning him around.
Wouldn't it have just been easier to keep him on the list if your people rate him so highly?
You owe him the second year of his contract and if you re-rookie him you could just pay him that money instead of his rookie salary couldn't you. Unless his Mr 10% demands his second year paid out and then his rookie salary on top of it.
Trading not withstanding, Collard cost you pick 31 in a reasonable draft pool. Most Vic clubs weren't going to touch him, so it is true that Freo will have the best chance to make something of his career.
I don't think you will have too many challengers if you try to take him back through the rookie draft.
shewho3
23 Oct 2007, 11:57
Trying to make sense of some of the Freeo supporter justifications is making my brain hurt. #31 in 2006 (Collard) has to be worth #21 in 2007. After #31 last year Port got Krakouer, Gray, Westhoff and Rodan. Collard must have been highly thought of 12 months ago and I can only assume he shat in Harvey's sandshoes.
So you pay them out of the 2nd yr of their contract and then Rookie draft them on another contract? :confused:
Your team is a joke!!
Don't ask a question that you don't know the answer to, then insult us as if you know the answer.
:rolleyes:girls
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blues4flag
23 Oct 2007, 12:22
Very surprised with the Collard call.
inferno66
23 Oct 2007, 13:03
You don't think someone will pick a guy like Collard up before he gets to their first pick in the rookie draft?
Not with the discipline issues that he has. He is also prone to be homesick if he moves interstate.
Not with the discipline issues that he has. He is also prone to be homesick if he moves interstate.
what issues did he have?
inferno66
23 Oct 2007, 14:07
what issues did he have?
He was disintrested with his footy and was in poor fitness. Even South Fremantle dropped Collard down to reserves for his poor attitude.
what issues did he have?
The kid is just painfully shy, not to mention not willing to work hard enough for AFL. He wont get picked up by another club, if another club did bother they would be wasting their time. He simply could not handle living away from home.
Bradesmaen
23 Oct 2007, 14:14
The kid is just painfully shy, not to mention not willing to work hard enough for AFL. He wont get picked up by another club, if another club did bother they would be wasting their time. He simply could not handle living away from home.
Exactly why its a good move ;)
Exactly why its a good move ;)
Yep, definitley a calculated gamble by you guys. Now that we have pick 54, although we could be an outside chance of nabbing him now. Prior to the Cousins fallout, we were only using out first 4 picks (inside 22) so we were never a chance to get him.
swuzzlebubble
23 Oct 2007, 18:02
I don't see WCE drafting anyone with queries on the character or personality for a few years now.
GoldenboyHird_5
23 Oct 2007, 19:31
All this opens the door for Brennan to come to Essendon...
Borgsta
23 Oct 2007, 20:45
All this opens the door for Brennan to come to Essendon...
How exactly?
Sherminator.
23 Oct 2007, 21:49
All this opens the door for Brennan to come to Essendon...
ROFL, that is if he doesn't re-sign with Brisbane. But then again he would go between Pick 1-3 in the PSD.
saladin
23 Oct 2007, 23:42
would collard have spent any time at Clontarf under prescott? if so, and with collards mate jetta also at the club, essendon might be tempted to take a chance on him. especially if he indicates that he'd be willing to give it a try.
roostertalk
24 Oct 2007, 00:08
would collard have spent any time at Clontarf under prescott? if so, and with collards mate jetta also at the club, essendon might be tempted to take a chance on him. especially if he indicates that he'd be willing to give it a try.
if they got their hands on a couple of nab under 18 champ games he'd have to be worth a shot, remember watching and thinking that Collard was a special sort.Him and Jetta used each other all game and were a potent combo.
All this opens the door for Brennan to come to Essendon...
LOL the mind boggles... which four out of these five are going to be taken before Brennan to allow him to drop to pick five?
Somewhere amoungst all this is the fact that by delisting a player the club looses all rights over him.
Sure the same club can pick him up again or rookie him provided he's still there when their turn comes.
It's a calculated risk by Freo but I don't see it as a huge risk.
We're talking a player with issues and very late draft picks.
It's hardly dealing in high value commodities.
As for Freo getting it wrong with their draft picks - Lookout for those stones in Glass Houses. We've all got trades / drafts that still haunt us.
Shaymuhz
24 Oct 2007, 12:33
Somewhere amoungst all this is the fact that by delisting a player the club looses all rights over him.
Sure the same club can pick him up again or rookie him provided he's still there when their turn comes.
It's a calculated risk by Freo but I don't see it as a huge risk.
We're talking a player with issues and very late draft picks.
It's hardly dealing in high value commodities.
As for Freo getting it wrong with their draft picks - Lookout for those stones in Glass Houses. We've all got trades / drafts that still haunt us.
well said. :thumbsu: