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Cruiser23
22 Oct 2007, 21:13
18 year old, 182cm, 86kg. Just got de-listed from Freo, was pick 31 in last years draft, small forward and potentally can play midfield. If there are no big names up for the PSD draft this guy would supply more forward pressure which is much needed and IMO is a must get. Has played one senior game for Freo and also did play very well for South Fremantle early in the year then dropped his form a little. What are peoples thoughts??
XXX KINGS
22 Oct 2007, 21:21
Draft the guy for sure if no off field problems. Why was he delisted?
He is a talented player.
AsianWithAFro
22 Oct 2007, 21:23
pft typical Freo delisting talent for no apparent reason. He'll be picked up first round surely.
Pafloyul
22 Oct 2007, 21:30
Let's not get carried away with the discards. Freo would have more reason to delist him than, say, Geelong would for delisting Grima. If we find that we have to take that route, I’d have Grima ahead of him.
Would be very interested, but you would have to wonder why he was delisted in the first place. I'd be very keen to pick him up in the PSD. I'd even consider taking him at #46 should he still be available in the ND.
marcmurphy3
22 Oct 2007, 21:43
We MUST take him.
No matter what off field problems he has we should work on them with him. He is to good a talent to overlook. An absolute feak. We have to at least give it a go because if it comes off it will come off big time.
Is a half forward/ midfielder with exceptional footskills, speed and goal kicking ability. Impressed me more than Jetta this year.
"Mel Brown has actually been reported as saying he thinks by the end of his career, Collard will be the greatest ever Western Australian footballer in history, ahead of Maurice Riolo, thats how much talent he thinks he has."
"Mel Brown has actually been reported as saying he thinks by the end of his career, Collard will be the greatest ever Western Australian footballer in history, ahead of Maurice Riolo, thats how much talent he thinks he has."
I wouldn't take much notice of what Mal Brown has to say, but I would seriously have a look at him. There must some off-field issues that we don't know about. Surely the Dockers wouldn't delist a young kid after only 1 year in the system.
people on the dockers forums sayin its cos he wasnt "110% committed to footy"
Blue Dimension
22 Oct 2007, 22:09
A small forward to help out Betts and keep the ball in our forward line...
YES!
TheHeatleyStand
22 Oct 2007, 22:11
Better talent than Jetta but a huge headcase... should enter the guiness book of record for sticking the most tally hos together..
Jetta is no better... stay well clear of these blokes...
If youre going to bring in a nutcase it might as well be Cousins at least he is a champion......
And yu wouldnt do that either..
If you do look at Collard (and probably Mourish) youd have to give them a massibe psych test first....
TROUBLE!!!
^^^^^^
Would he be better getting him out of that fishbowl Perth?
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Would he be better getting him out of that fishbowl Perth?
Like melbourne's any better?
blueant
22 Oct 2007, 22:19
^^^^^^
Would he be better getting him out of that fishbowl Perth?
yeh i reckon and mabey the kid will wake up and realise the opportunty his got playing afl football now that his been delisted
TheHeatleyStand
22 Oct 2007, 22:21
^^^^^^
Would he be better getting him out of that fishbowl Perth?
Massibe headcase who was disciplined aong with Jetta early last year from the Colts.
And as for his behavioural situation... during the carnival last year.. a WA cornerstone players father was telling me all the other WA kids couldnt stand Jetta and Collard... huge headcases... arrogant and selfish people and players.
Massibe headcase who was disciplined aong with Jetta early last year from the Colts.
And as for his behavioural situation... during the carnival last year.. a WA cornerstone players father was telling me all the other WA kids couldnt stand Jetta and Collard... huge headcases... arrogant and selfish people and players.
There has to be something wrong with him if he's delisted after only 1 year. If he's anything like Jetta then forget about it. We already have our basket case. Thank God we got Grigg and not Jetta.
TheHeatleyStand
22 Oct 2007, 22:26
There has to be something wrong with him if he's delisted after only 1 year. If he's anything like Jetta then forget about it. We already have our basket case. Thank God we got Grigg and not Jetta.
If Collard was a switched on footbaler he would have made the tp 12 or 14 last year.. Freo took the punt.... it lasted a year ...
[ToTTi]
22 Oct 2007, 22:30
Is Collard the one who started a massive all-in brawl in an under 16s match a few years ago? I think it was at PP, not sure though...
Not sure about Fremantle....they have a bit of a history letting talent go.
Mourish and Collard could be great pick ups in the right team.
What about Haddrill aswell.....key backman???
For the Dockers to have kept farmer on the list and delist Collard - Well, something just don't smell right with the lad. He is a freak but then so was Angwin.
TheHeatleyStand
22 Oct 2007, 22:36
;9294484']Is Collard the one who started a massive all-in brawl in an under 16s match a few years ago? I think it was at PP, not sure though...
No thats my lovechild Albert Proud... i wish we drafted him last year..
WINNER!!!
Cruiser23
22 Oct 2007, 22:38
Not sure about Fremantle....they have a bit of a history letting talent go.
Mourish and Collard could be great pick ups in the right team.
What about Haddrill aswell.....key backman???
plus Ryley Dunn, was take in top 10 a few years back. If he is a little bit of a trouble maker, he is only 18, i'm sure we can change him. He kicked 4 goals three weeks in a row for South Fremantle, he could have a good future in the AFL.
Bluebear
22 Oct 2007, 22:43
I didn't think clubs could delist players after 1 year. :confused:
Gee, another WA player with off-field problems..........I'm shocked.:rolleyes:
Didnt Collard only play the one match?
Cruiser23
22 Oct 2007, 22:55
Didnt Collard only play the one match?
yeh, St.Kilda round 9?
smithos
22 Oct 2007, 22:57
I didn't think clubs could delist players after 1 year. :confused:
Gee, another WA player with off-field problems..........I'm shocked.:rolleyes:
As long as they pay out their contract they can get away with it
TheGeneral
22 Oct 2007, 22:57
I didn't think clubs could delist players after 1 year. :confused:
They can if they pay out their contracts.
Essendon cut Austin Lucy after one year. ;)
If we didn't pick them when he had the chance to, I hope we stear clear of them in the draft.
Get another Joey Anderson. :thumbsu: :)
Collard to the Eagles? :eek: :p :D
[ToTTi]
22 Oct 2007, 23:02
If these young players can't accept the gift they've been given of playing AFL then good on Freo for axing them in my opinion. There are young guns out there who would kill to make the big league, and yet some still take it for granted. I hate this I'm Bigger Than The World mentality.
Bluebear
22 Oct 2007, 23:02
They can if they pay out their contracts.
Essendon cut Austin Lucy after one year. ;)
Yeah, I thought they changed the rule after this one. Clearly I was wrong.
Cisco Kid
22 Oct 2007, 23:49
Stop looking at other clubs rejects ..because that is what they are .... better off looking overseas and finding a marty clarke... haddrill you are kidding may as well get stephen OReilly back and he was shite....
Enough players from other clubs draft and develop some players ...... collard is poison .....
Jeremias
22 Oct 2007, 23:52
Would like to get him to the club, but having said that, we would need to be very wary, and at the end of the day I don't think the club would take the risk.
We are slowly but surely weeding out the guys that don't have the commitment to become an AFL player.
Collard is just another example of this, so unless we are absolutely certain that he can, and will, change his ways, I would steer well clear.
...... collard is poison .....
why?
bmaurizio
23 Oct 2007, 00:19
Obviously Collard may have some attitude or behavioral issues.
Hopefully the kid can be mentored and encouraged in the right direction, has some serious talent.
I would look at him at with ND pick 36.
Huge potential, good pace, skillful and with the grunt we need.
Ciao
Western Blue
23 Oct 2007, 00:35
Pass ! Do you think he'd adjust to being in another state, couldn't get his head around the requirements to play at the top level.
Fact: him and Jetta did not want to leave WA, Collard had the luxury of staying in Perth and blew it.
Massive mistake if the Blues select him :thumbsd:
Cruiser23
23 Oct 2007, 00:36
Just a few quotes i found on Collard from last year. He must really have something wrong with him to be de-listed after the first year and have raps on him like that. I really think we need to take a punt on him whether it is PSD or ND
YahooAFL:
Collard was one of the most exciting juniors in the 2006 NAB AFL Draft and was surprisingly still available when the Dockers had their first selection at No.31. Originally from South Fremantle, Collard represented his state at junior level in 2004 (under-16s), as well as 2005-06 (under-18). Unlike most 2006 draftees, Collard played senior football in his state last season and booted 15 goals in his nine senior WAFL games including a bag of five on debut in Round 6. As a junior he performed best as a floating half-forward who won the ball through the midfield and pushed forward to be a scoreboard threat.
Weavers 2006 phantom draft
17. Clayton Collard (Carlton). Collard is better but less credentialed than the higher-profile Jetta. Has a hint of Gary Ablett jnr about him. Collard might develop into a midfielder in time and alongside Betts gives the Blues some flair and genuine game-breaking pace and talent across half-forward.
Pykie
Collard is a freak, i personally rate him on equal terms with Selwood, but it seems he might slip, which is astonishing, as it would be rediculous if a team that finished in the top 4 gets to add this guy to their team, especially west coast.
Mel Brown has been reported as saying he thinks by the end of his career, Collard will be the greatest ever Western Australian footballer in history, ahead of Maurice Riolo, thats how much talent he thinks he has.
Is fairly quick, good height, may need to put on a bit of size, extremely good disposal, excellent decision making, probably the best in the draft. Has the Dal Santo "poise", has the flair of the aboriginal players, and gets plenty of touches. When he gets it, he does special things, ala Judd, Wells etc, your expecting something to happen, which is a rare gift.
Is daylight ahead of Jetta in my opinion, but others dont agree, can play forward, and loves to drift forward in the midfield and kick a goal.
If i had a pick anywhere in the 8-16 range and he was still available, and you wanted a midfielder, i would gobble it up, if he slips past that, and say Carlton gets him,then you have a massive bargain. gibbs, murphy and collard would be the equivelant of Judd, Kerr and Cousins in 3-4 years.
Gilly1972
23 Oct 2007, 01:42
If Collard was a switched on footbaler he would have made the tp 12 or 14 last year.. Freo took the punt.... it lasted a year ...
Spot on. I had him ranked about 16 on talent alone.
swans12
23 Oct 2007, 08:30
Interesting to watch this pan out.
Mourish too was an interesting case last year if I have the right kid.
He was from Geraldton and was heavily tipped to go to Essendon.
There was alot of collusion mentioned with the Bombers, he apparently hadn't done the East Freo thing, which is the normal pathway for Geraldton kids usually, didnt play hardly any rep stuff and there were plenty of stories re him being everything from lazy and unfit, to being a heavy smoker floated about.
His Beep Test at the WA testing was absolutely disgusting (9ish) and there was much discussion of sandbagging by the Bombers.
Was touted to be a smokey and even the Bombers first round pick, but slipped to Freo and now delisted 12 months on.
Absolutely worth a punt. There's no-where near enough in this draft not to consider Collard. I'd say definitely with pick 46, and almost definitely with pick 36.
Players don't lose their ability in 12 months if they haven't suffered injuries. Attitude seems to be the factor here, and attitudes can be fixed.
GET HIM!!! GET HIM!!! GET HIM!!!
I'm very keen, absolute gem!!!
bLuEbOy1984
23 Oct 2007, 11:00
if he any thing like Jetta i dont want him, we need players committed to the cause, players who will play 150+ games for the blues, nothing else.. their is a reason why the dockers have de listed hiom so early into his career and im sure its based on commitments and i really hope we dont go this way
blues4flag
23 Oct 2007, 12:29
Was shocked to here he was delisted - he was very highly rated last year. I wouldn't be against taking a punt on him - but we've got to be wary about it. Hopefully this delisting serves as a wakeup call to him if his attitude is really that poor. As far as talent goes, seems to good to pass up if we have a chance to get him with 46 or PSD/rookie.
Bluebear
23 Oct 2007, 12:36
Worth a look, but I wouldn't be wasting pick 36 or 46 on him, if there is some kid with the right attitude, but perhaps not as talented.
Remember Angwin.
Attitudes can be harder to turn around than people think.
Blue Dimension
23 Oct 2007, 12:45
Bit unfair to be comparing the kid to Angwin. The fact is we don't really know much about what went on behind the scenes.
Angwin had deep issues...
Cisco Kid
23 Oct 2007, 13:00
Collard is more of a mark williams , medhurst type not a nippy crumbing rover like eddie.
POOR ATTITUDE at home = Wasted Draft Pick Away
Bluebear
23 Oct 2007, 13:01
Bit unfair to be comparing the kid to Angwin. The fact is we don't really know much about what went on behind the scenes.
Angwin had deep issues...
Fair enough.
Wasn't so much comparing the actual off field issues of which I know nothing.
More a comment on a highly rated kid, delisted or moved on after a very short period of time.......to a new club that wrongly thought it could turn him around.
Once bitten. Twice shy.
Blue Dimension
23 Oct 2007, 13:04
Fair enough.
Wasn't so much comparing the actual off field issues of which I know nothing.
More a comment on a highly rated kid, delisted or moved on after a very short period of time.......to a new club that wrongly thought it could turn him around.
Once bitten. Twice shy.
He's worth a go. What's the worst it could do? I've thought for a while that we've needed that extra small forward to keep the ball inside the forward 50 - Betts is awesome, but can't do it on his own.
Bluebear
23 Oct 2007, 13:07
He's worth a go. What's the worst it could do? I've thought for a while that we've needed that extra small forward to keep the ball inside the forward 50 - Betts is awesome, but can't do it on his own.
The worst it could do?
Waste a pick, and derail a good young player.
Angwin took Norman down with him.
Not saying Collard is this bad, but the point has been made. If he went off the rails at home, what will he be like away from his support network?
Do we risk him disturbing a solid group?
If he was so talented why delist him after 1 year? What could be so bad that the club would rather pay him out than try and turn him around?
Pass.
Blue Dimension
23 Oct 2007, 13:12
The worst it could do?
Waste a pick, and derail a good young player.
Angwin took Norman down with him.
Not saying Collard is this bad, but the point has been made. If he went off the rails at home, what will he be like away from his support network?
Do we risk him disturbing a solid group?
If he was so talented why delist him after 1 year? What could be so bad that the club would rather pay him out than try and turn him around?
Pass.
Hasn't it been said that his delisting was more about his attitude towards his footy?
Perhaps Collard didn't fit into Mark Harvey's long term plans...
We don't know any reason as to why he was delisted, it's all speculation - so before we jump the gun, let's just see what comes out of it first.
The club has finally turned around and now you want to go backwards? To be delisted with only 1 year on the list shows what sort of attitude the kids got. We've already got 1 basketcase and quite frankly, that's enough. We don't need any more disharmony amongst the ranks.
Cruiser23
23 Oct 2007, 13:18
I think that the Carlton Football Club need to have a chat with Clayton and see were he is at, this wouldn't hurt anyone and the club can decide whether this guys head is in the right place. If it is, i would be more than happy to give up either pick 36 or 46 for him. He is very talented, we have to explore every option to get him at the club, he would be a great asset to us. Remember he is only eighteen, he could be very much changeable.
Blue Dimension
23 Oct 2007, 13:28
The club has finally turned around and now you want to go backwards? To be delisted with only 1 year on the list shows what sort of attitude the kids got. We've already got 1 basketcase and quite frankly, that's enough. We don't need any more disharmony amongst the ranks.
I don't know about you, but drafting a young player with potential would not be going backwards.
WE DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S BEEN DELISTED
Stop basing your judgements on the fact that he's only been on their list for a year. There could be several reasons.
I think that the Carlton Football Club need to have a chat with Clayton and see were he is at, this wouldn't hurt anyone and the club can decide whether this guys head is in the right place. If it is, i would be more than happy to give up either pick 36 or 46 for him. He is very talented, we have to explore every option to get him at the club, he would be a great asset to us. Remember he is only eighteen, he could be very much changeable.
Exactly. Well said.
TheHeatleyStand
23 Oct 2007, 13:33
I think that the Carlton Football Club need to have a chat with Clayton and see were he is at, this wouldn't hurt anyone and the club can decide whether this guys head is in the right place. If it is, i would be more than happy to give up either pick 36 or 46 for him. He is very talented, we have to explore every option to get him at the club, he would be a great asset to us. Remember he is only eighteen, he could be very much changeable.
Why would we need to have a chat to him.... one of our new recruiters just came over from Freo.. and would know all his ins and outs...
Leave him alone...... nutcase!!... spare us the tears and let some other club pick him up and deal with him... were on the road to somewhere special.. why would you upset that for Collard???
Magnificence
23 Oct 2007, 13:33
Draft the guy for sure if no off field problems. Why was he delisted?
He is a talented player.
He was playing in the reserves at south freo at one stage and likes to party in a style which would see him fit in at the eagles
TheHeatleyStand
23 Oct 2007, 13:37
He's worth a go. What's the worst it could do? I've thought for a while that we've needed that extra small forward to keep the ball inside the forward 50 - Betts is awesome, but can't do it on his own.
Thw worst he can do is drag us through the mud.. and have his teamates hate him/... get caught doing all kinds of illegal activity.. and not train...
The best he can do is play one or two good games along with all the above and we have to sack him..
Blue Dimension
23 Oct 2007, 13:59
Why would we need to have a chat to him.... one of our new recruiters just came over from Freo.. and would know all his ins and outs...
Referring to Steven Icke?
Was not he apart of the Freo football club which decided to draft him?
Imo Icke will be the first one to want to know what has gone on in the past year. He'll know that he has a lot of upside
Thw worst he can do is drag us through the mud.. and have his teamates hate him/... get caught doing all kinds of illegal activity.. and not train...
The best he can do is play one or two good games along with all the above and we have to sack him..
When has he got involved in illegal activity?
When has he not trained?
Please, it's comments like these that start rumours and tarnish a players name.
The best he can do is play 1 or two good games? Yep ok then :rolleyes:
TheHeatleyStand
23 Oct 2007, 14:22
Referring to Steven Icke?
Was not he apart of the Freo football club which decided to draft him?
Imo Icke will be the first one to want to know what has gone on in the past year. He'll know that he has a lot of upside
When has he got involved in illegal activity?
When has he not trained?
Please, it's comments like these that start rumours and tarnish a players name.
The best he can do is play 1 or two good games? Yep ok then :rolleyes:
Look.. last time i looked Icke didnt have the final say on drafting.
As well as Icke we have Shane Rogers now from Freo.. but he didnt have the last say on Collard...
After trading all their earlish picks Freo had to pull a rabbit our of the hat... they didnt.. the experiment failed...
Im not starting rumours..... Collards been disciplined countless times.. thats why hes axed...
Youre starting rumours by saying there is nothing wrong with him..... the footy world knows better...
From this point on its all about how desperate you are... are we despretate??
No!!
So the chances are he wont be playing for us and will be playing for a club that is desperate... (if any)...
Youll probably find clubs will stop taking the nutcases of this world..
Sweeney/Norman/Angwin/Mourish/Collard.. wouldnt have played 20 games between them...
Gardiner /Cousins/Farmer/Kerr are quickly becoming a headache in this new era of corporates and image..
The old days where you could sweep things under the carpet are over...
Got anything to add???
I have faith in the club to make the correct decision re: drafting kids in the ND and PSD.
Blue Dimension
23 Oct 2007, 14:53
Look.. last time i looked Icke didnt have the final say on drafting.
As well as Icke we have Shane Rogers now from Freo.. but he didnt have the last say on Collard...
After trading all their earlish picks Freo had to pull a rabbit our of the hat... they didnt.. the experiment failed...
Im not starting rumours..... Collards been disciplined countless times.. thats why hes axed...
Youre starting rumours by saying there is nothing wrong with him..... the footy world knows better...
From this point on its all about how desperate you are... are we despretate??
No!!
So the chances are he wont be playing for us and will be playing for a club that is desperate... (if any)...
Youll probably find clubs will stop taking the nutcases of this world..
Sweeney/Norman/Angwin/Mourish/Collard.. wouldnt have played 20 games between them...
Gardiner /Cousins/Farmer/Kerr are quickly becoming a headache in this new era of corporates and image..
The old days where you could sweep things under the carpet are over...
Got anything to add???
1. I never said Icke had a final say on ANYTHING i said he was APART of it.
2. I never said there wasn't anything wrong with him. In fact, i said we knew NOTHING about the real reason why he was delisted.
3. Thirdly. YOU ARE spreading rumours. Referring to the fact that he 'won't turn up at training' or will 'participate in illegal activity'
I'm not going to even bother posting again, because it seems every time you have something to say you like to twist everything i say just to suit you.
The plain fact is, that we don't really know what happened behind the scenes. It's all very vague - so to accuse him of participating in the things you have stated is just pathetic.
Blues08
23 Oct 2007, 18:06
if he is as good as people say he is i think we should give him a go, such a good bunch of blokes in the team surrounding him along with being away from hes friends could straighten him out! i think its worth the risk because it could pay off..:D
there are alot of players who at a young age would have had trouble but as he matures and is in a good enviroment it could work!
CarltonFan
21 Nov 2007, 19:15
is it still too late to delist saddington... for collard?
TheGeneral
21 Nov 2007, 19:34
is it still too late to delist saddington... for collard?
The final list lodgement before the national draft was the 16th of November.
CarltonFan
21 Nov 2007, 19:41
The final list lodgement before the national draft was the 16th of November.
oh ok... so thats 3 boys in the national draft and 1 in the psd?
oh ok... so thats 3 boys in the national draft and 1 in the psd?
Or 4 selections in the ND, and bypass the PSD all together, which I think might be the more likely outcome.
Or 4 selections in the ND, and bypass the PSD all together, which I think might be the more likely outcome.
If Ryley Dunn is the best we can do, then I vote we use pick 65 instead of the PSD.
Blue Dimension
22 Nov 2007, 10:12
The final list lodgement before the national draft was the 16th of November.
Friday Nov 30 (2pm)
List Lodgement Three and TPP Estimates
Friday Dec 7 (2pm)
Delisted Player Nominations Close
I don't really know much about list lodgements, but i think going by that, that a player is able to be delisted after the ND?
I still believe Carlton will use 4 picks in the ND and one in the Pre-Season. Imo there's still one more culling to come. Hope it's Saddington or Wiggins, but i doubt it as i think both have been contracted for next season.
Bluebear
22 Nov 2007, 17:10
Friday Nov 30 (2pm)
List Lodgement Three and TPP Estimates
Friday Dec 7 (2pm)
Delisted Player Nominations Close
I don't really know much about list lodgements, but i think going by that, that a player is able to be delisted after the ND?
I still believe Carlton will use 4 picks in the ND and one in the Pre-Season. Imo there's still one more culling to come. Hope it's Saddington or Wiggins, but i doubt it as i think both have been contracted for next season.
Saddo's contract expired this year. There has been no announcement, but there may not be.
Scotland's wasn't announced, nor was Setanta's, Cloke's, Bannister's or Bentick's new contracts, yet I'd find it hard to believe that they are all out of contract ATM.
TheGeneral
22 Nov 2007, 17:21
If Saddo's out of contract he should not be given another two years.
It might be harsh, I'd rather cut him than give him one more year and draft another kid at pick 65.
He had a poor year, is very soft and was thrashed by Westhoff twice.
windows
22 Nov 2007, 18:24
Or 4 selections in the ND, and bypass the PSD all together, which I think might be the more likely outcome.
Burgo seems to think we have our eyes on someone in the PSD. Who? I can't think of anyone??
Blue Dimension
22 Nov 2007, 19:43
Saddo's contract expired this year. There has been no announcement, but there may not be.
Scotland's wasn't announced, nor was Setanta's, Cloke's, Bannister's or Bentick's new contracts, yet I'd find it hard to believe that they are all out of contract ATM.
Yeah, someone mentioned in the contracts and delistings thread that Saddo had been quietly signed up for one more year. I hope not.