4th pick

[Ryder Is God]

This was posted on BomberBlitz, not sure how reliable it is, but thought that some of you may be interested.

Melbourne. Word on the street is that the Demons we're after after a tall initially with pick four but after acquiring another first round selection after trade week their priorities have changed. The Demons will look at a midfielder with their first selection (Pick 4) and a tall with their second selection (Pick 14).
They decided this is the case as they didn't see too much difference between the likes of Henderson, McEvoy, Rance, Collier, Pears and possibly Myers. They don't rate Grant. Had the Dees only had selection four they would have gone with a tall with Pick 4 as all of those named above wouldn't have reached their second pick (Pick 21) prior to trade week.

The verdict for the Dees is-
Pick 4: Masten or Ebert. Very, very mildly interested in Palmer.
Pick 14: They hope McEvoy, Henderson or Rance fall. But will be look at Pears, Collier or Myers respectively.

[Deenamite]

Does sound about right.

[bringbackschwarter5]

Crud

[Dez!]

Sounds good.

[Artful_Dodger]

Rubbish. Ebert too slow, no endurance and kicking is terrible why would the Dees consider him at 4, people are a bit too caught up in his surname for mine. Dees wont draft Ebert at 4,14,21 or even 53 as he doesnt suite any of their needs.

[CowboyFromHell]

I thought that was already common knowledge... ?

I don't think any of the talls apart from Kreuzer would really be worth Pick 4 so taking one of the midfielders would be common sense. Get a good young tall at 14 and then take whoever is left at 21.

[dutchy12]

Masten is sounding like a godo pick to me at the moment. Is he injured with osteitus though? Might eb a bit of a deterence. But from the write ups he sounds alot like Brock McLean.

Can I put forward a scenario.

Say Richmond do take Cotchin at #2. Will WEST Coast take Morton at 3? Wasn't their some falling out between Mortn's father and the egales which saw his son traded to richmond? Now Richmond probably have some sought of agreement going with the Coasters about taking morton at 2 but hypothetically would the eagles pass on Morton at 3?

[CowboyFromHell]

Masten is sounding like a godo pick to me at the moment. Is he injured with osteitus though? Might eb a bit of a deterence. But from the write ups he sounds alot like Brock McLean.

Can I put forward a scenario.

Say Richmond do take Cotchin at #2. Will WEST Coast take Morton at 3? Wasn't their some falling out between Mortn's father and the egales which saw his son traded to richmond? Now Richmond probably have some sought of agreement going with the Coasters about taking morton at 2 but hypothetically would the eagles pass on Morton at 3?

I wouldn't read too much into the whole saga to be honest - in the end the Eagles may have traded the other Morton away because he wasn't all that good to begin with. The Eagles don't trade away good players if they can help it. Morton was obviously not in their plans.

Tigers will probably take Cotchin at 2 and then the Eagles could take anyone from Morton, Palmer or Masten IMO. Then we go from there.

[dutchy12]

I wouldn't read too much into the whole saga to be honest - in the end the Eagles may have traded the other Morton away because he wasn't all that good to begin with. The Eagles don't trade away good players if they can help it. Morton was obviously not in their plans.

Tigers will probably take Cotchin at 2 and then the Eagles could take anyone from Morton, Palmer or Masten IMO. Then we go from there.

Good point. Well I hope the Tiges take Cotchin at 2 and we are able to snap Morton at 4. Would be the finisher were looking for to cotemplate Sylvia,Mclean and jones's hard work.

It would also add to our group of tall timber/athlete's types of player eg Dunn and Bate.

[bombersno1]

If Richmond take Cotchin which I don't think they will, I think they will go Morton, but if Ricmond take Cotchin, WCE will take Chris Masten (local WA kid, no "go home" factor), Melb will probally take Morton, WB will take Henderson and Essendon will take Ebert/Palmer

[Tommyneu]

If Richmond take Cotchin which I don't think they will, I think they will go Morton, but if Ricmond take Cotchin, WCE will take Chris Masten (local WA kid, no "go home" factor), Melb will probally take Morton, WB will take Henderson and Essendon will take Ebert/Palmer

Morton is Western Australian as well :rolleyes: Morton > Masten.

[benrey_demons]

and palmer is better than both

seriously hoping that WCE are spooked by judd and take one of the WA kids after richmond take morton, as cotchin would add that little bit of class into our young midfield

[macca69]

Rubbish. Ebert too slow, no endurance and kicking is terrible why would the Dees consider him at 4, people are a bit too caught up in his surname for mine. Dees wont draft Ebert at 4,14,21 or even 53 as he doesnt suite any of their needs.

Who do you think Melbourne should pick at #4?

[bringbackschwarter5]

Who do you think Melbourne should pick at #4?

Should go for our needs and get Rance. But Craig Cameron likes to go for in and under mids in most drafts with our first pick and neglect our needs for a KPP and a fast outside midfielder

[Flashhh]

Im hoping for a bit of Cotchin action at #4. Even though our main areas for concern are defence and ruckman, there are not any worthy of getting at #4 besides vodka cruiser who will go to Carlton. Also Morton won't be available at Pick 4 as he will either be taken by Richmond because of Mitch or by WestCoast because he is from WA.

[bombersno1]

Morton is Western Australian as well :rolleyes: Morton > Masten.

WCE won't take Morton. They have just lost Judd, Cousins. If Cotchin is gone (long term he'll do this), then they will go Masten possibly Palmer as a smokie, but they won't take Morton as they have players in his positions who are not that old. Mind you any of Cotchin, Ebert, Masten, Palmer, or evn Rioli will be damn good midfielders given time.

[Tommyneu]

WCE won't take Morton. They have just lost Judd, Cousins. If Cotchin is gone (long term he'll do this), then they will go Masten possibly Palmer as a smokie, but they won't take Morton as they have players in his positions who are not that old. Mind you any of Cotchin, Ebert, Masten, Palmer, or evn Rioli will be damn good midfielders given time.

Morton is a 192 cm utility...he can play anywhere. WCE will take him if he's available at 3.

[eliasd82]

WCE won't take Morton. They have just lost Judd, Cousins. If Cotchin is gone (long term he'll do this), then they will go Masten possibly Palmer as a smokie, but they won't take Morton as they have players in his positions who are not that old. Mind you any of Cotchin, Ebert, Masten, Palmer, or evn Rioli will be damn good midfielders given time.

The top 3 will look like this.

Pick 1 - Kruzer - obvious need for a ruckman
Pick 2 - Morton - Will join his brother at Richmond, also need good forward
Pick 3 - Cotchin - loss of cousins and judd, classy midfielder is a must.

4 below is where it will get harder.
If I gambelled I'd say:

Pick 4 - Palmer - Showed his stuff at the draft camp. I like the kid
Pick 5 - Henderson - Screaming for a KPP
Pick 6 - Ebert or Mastern - Essendon interested in midfielder - espcially with the loss of mark johnson.

[bombersno1]

If Chris Masten is availiable Essendon will take him over Ebert! But I do feel that Masten will go to WCE as Richmond SHOULD take Cotchin as he is the best midfielder in the draft, but it is Richmond so who knows!

[bombersno1]

Morton is a 192 cm utility...he can play anywhere. WCE will take him if he's available at 3.

WCE really need a in and under midfielder (genuine midfielder), they have lost 2 of the best mids in the games history in the last fortnight!

[eliasd82]

If Chris Masten is availiable Essendon will take him over Ebert! But I do feel that Masten will go to WCE as Richmond SHOULD take Cotchin as he is the best midfielder in the draft, but it is Richmond so who knows!

better??
hahaha.. nah your right, i just think Masterns OP might scare off a few buyers...

I would love Cotchin to slip to 4 but i cant see it happening... esspecially getting past WC...

[bombersno1]

better??
hahaha.. nah your right, i just think Masterns OP might scare off a few buyers...

I would love Cotchin to slip to 4 but i cant see it happening... esspecially getting past WC...

Might scare off a few, but he'll be at Essendon if available at pick 6. I don't mind Ebert but we REALLY need a in-and under midfielder in the Maclean sort of mould and Masten gives us that. We would be mad to pass him up.

[Deenamite]

Kreuzer
Cotchin
Morton
Masten

I think.

[bringbackschwarter5]

There isnt much difference between picks 4-9, so why not take a chance on a tall, like Rance or Henderson. Hawthorn did with choosing Roughead over Tambling and so far it has paid off. Richmond and the Bulldogs took the chance on going with Griffen and Tambling over Franklin and so far it hasnt paid off. And as the saying goes, a good big man is better than a good little man or something like that.

[dutchy12]

What's all this talk about Cotchin not being a pure midfielder as such?

[sinepari]

He isn't - yet. More of a half forward. Kinda like how G.Ablett Jnr started out.

[boms]

I reckon -

Carlton - Matthew Krezuer
Richmond - Cale Morton
West Coast - Trent Cotchin
Melbourne - Chris Masten
Western Bulldogs - Ben McEvoy
Essendon - Brad Ebert

who cares about the rest :P

[Deenamite]

I reckon -

Carlton - Matthew Krezuer
Richmond - Cale Morton
West Coast - Trent Cotchin
Melbourne - Chris Masten
Western Bulldogs - Ben McEvoy
Essendon - Brad Ebert

who cares about the rest :P

I think the Dogs will choose Henderson/Rance over McEvoy.

[melbournemartin]

They barely have any ruckmen though now with Darcy gone. Hopefully they take McEvoy because I'd love Rance to slide to #14.

[Deenamite]

They barely have any ruckmen though now with Darcy gone. Hopefully they take McEvoy because I'd love Rance to slide to #14.

Rance will stop at 9 with StKilda.

[Ryder Is God]

What's all this talk about Cotchin not being a pure midfielder as such?

He's basically the same as G. Ablett Jr. He will need to work on his fitness if he wants to become a permanent midfielder.

[eliasd82]

I would like the Dees to take a punt on Palmer at number 4.
Hopefully if all goes well it will look something like this.

Pick 4 - Palmer (or Mastern - i know a few people on this forum want him)
Pick 14 - Rance or Henderson
Pick 21 - Simpson

Can anyone think of anyone else that we might take instead of Rance or Henderson if they are not available? same with Simpson?

[master bate]

I would like the Dees to take a punt on Palmer at number 4.
Hopefully if all goes well it will look something like this.

Pick 4 - Palmer (or Mastern - i know a few people on this forum want him)
Pick 14 - Rance or Henderson
Pick 21 - Simpson

Can anyone think of anyone else that we might take instead of Rance or Henderson if they are not available? same with Simpson?
Lachie Henderson - KP Forward - 196cm 90kgs - Geelong
Alex Rance - KP Defender - 194cm 87kgs - Swan Districts
Ben McEvoy - Ruckman - 199cm 90kgs - Murry Bushranger
David Gourdis - KP Forward - 193cm 88kgs - Subiaco
Scott Simpson - KP Forward - 194cm 91kgs - Dandenong Stingrays
Tayte Pears - KP Backman - 192cm 90kgs - East Perth
Tom Bellchambers - Ruckman - 199cm 91kgs - Tasmania
Dawson Simpson - Ruckman - 207cm 97kgs - Murray Bushrangers

[benrey_demons]

Cotchin at 4
Rioli at 14

watch it happen :D

[bringbackschwarter5]

Cotchin at 4
Rioli at 14

watch it happen :D

Even if Rioli was there at 14, CC would have to have a brain melt to select him

[eliasd82]

Even if Rioli was there at 14, CC would have to have a brain melt to select him
agreed!

[Bartram_Class]

Selwood would be nice at 14 CAC.

[kingoftrivia]

Masten is sounding like a godo pick to me at the moment. Is he injured with osteitus though? Might eb a bit of a deterence. But from the write ups he sounds alot like Brock McLean.

Can I put forward a scenario.

Say Richmond do take Cotchin at #2. Will WEST Coast take Morton at 3? Wasn't their some falling out between Mortn's father and the egales which saw his son traded to richmond? Now Richmond probably have some sought of agreement going with the Coasters about taking morton at 2 but hypothetically would the eagles pass on Morton at 3?
richmnod have no deal to take morton instead of cotchin iys bull shit tigers will take cotchin guarantee it

[TURKEY92]

unless cotchin is available at pick 4..i want henderson.
4= Cotchin/Henderson
14= Veszprimi/Gourdis
21= S.Simpson

[bringbackschwarter5]

Selwood would be nice at 14 CAC.

He really wouldnt be

[jackolegend]

Rioli might turn out to be the star of this year's draft. Has the run and chase of Alywyn Davey mixed with the silky skills of Shawn Burgoyne. I think we would be mad to bypass him with our 14th pick. Besides the key position players in this draft are not as elite as the one's from last year's draft.

[Deenamite]

Rioli might turn out to be the star of this year's draft. Has the run and chase of Alywyn Davey mixed with the silky skills of Shawn Burgoyne. I think we would be mad to bypass him with our 14th pick. Besides the key position players in this draft are not as elite as the one's from last year's draft.

Rioli won't make it to 14. He'll be very, very good. If you want a quick mid he's your man.

[jackolegend]

I think we should take Rioli with our fourth pick. It is a sacrifice worth making. He just ticks all the right boxes. He has that injection of speed, flair and class that our midfield is lacking. His tackling is second to none. (Look what Alwyn Davey did for Essendon before he got injured) I also don't think we would be bypassing any out and out champions in Ebert, Masten and Palmer. Ebert I think will be a gun, but his pace is lacking and our midfield has been criticised for being a little one-paced already. Furthermore, Rioli went to Scotch College so he has already made a home for himself in Melbourne, and will not get homesick. Whereas Masten, Palmer have strong connections luring them back west. Our list is full of too many honest toilers with no talent. We need more Aaron Daveys. Cyril Rioli is our man!

[melbournemartin]

Rioli with 4 does seem a tad high. I'd probably rather Henderson.

[dutchy12]

I reckon we might get Morton to be honest. I think Cotchin is too good to pass by the Tiges and the Coasters will be reluctant to take Morton due to family complications.

Morton already has 2 brothers playing in Victoria so I doubt there would be much of a go home factor

[Deenamite]

I reckon we might get Morton to be honest. I think Cotchin is too good to pass by the Tiges and the Coasters will be reluctant to take Morton due to family complications.

Morton already has 2 brothers playing in Victoria so I doubt there would be much of a go home factor

What do you mean family complications?

[bringbackschwarter5]

Henderson may very well be the next Luke Molan

[dutchy12]

What do you mean family complications?

I read somewhere previously on the Coasters board bout how the Morton father was involved in an argument with their club. Im not exactly sure on what it was but the consensus was that West Coast would be reluctant to take Cale especially after Mith getting traded this year.

[melbournemartin]

Henderson may very well be the next Luke Molan

And Masten could be the next Tambling. There are always going to be risks involved.

[bringbackschwarter5]

And Masten could be the next Tambling. There are always going to be risks involved.

I was referring to how he has been injured a majority of the time in the past two years

[melbournemartin]

Ahh. Well that's an issue sure. Selwood was like that and he's been a gun obviously. Probably going have a bigger impact on the key position players though.

[Deenamite]

If Scott Simpson isn't there at 21, many people will go ape shit. There's been a lot of talk from Melbourne fans about him.

[master bate]

If Scott Simpson isn't there at 21, many people will go ape shit. There's been a lot of talk from Melbourne fans about him.
Try not to take this the wrong way guys, but a lot of the talk about Simpson was just after one guy talked him up and everyone else liked the idea because he is a big strong centre half forward. Just look at Juice, if he was a midfielder making his way through the grades we wouldn't care less about him, but because he is a tall forward who can take a high grab and kick some goals he is the new cult hero. What I'm saying is that I don't think we want Simpson because he is a superstar, but if we don't use at least one of the top 3 picks on talls at lot of people will be angry.

[TURKEY92]

I would like the Dees to take a punt on Palmer at number 4.
Hopefully if all goes well it will look something like this.

Pick 4 - Palmer (or Mastern - i know a few people on this forum want him)
Pick 14 - Rance or Henderson
Pick 21 - Simpson

Can anyone think of anyone else that we might take instead of Rance or Henderson if they are not available? same with Simpson?

rance and henderson definately wont be there at 14. so probaly get gourdis or veszprimi. we shud get simpson tho.

[TURKEY92]

Henderson may very well be the next Luke Molan

never say that name again. just imagine dal santo in the red and blue, but no, we took molan.

[Deenamite]

Try not to take this the wrong way guys, but a lot of the talk about Simpson was just after one guy talked him up and everyone else liked the idea because he is a big strong centre half forward. Just look at Juice, if he was a midfielder making his way through the grades we wouldn't care less about him, but because he is a tall forward who can take a high grab and kick some goals he is the new cult hero. What I'm saying is that I don't think we want Simpson because he is a superstar, but if we don't use at least one of the top 3 picks on talls at lot of people will be angry.

Correct. I'm not one that subscribes tro the Simpson theory, but I just believe that KPP are our number 1 needs and we need a good one, preferably with our 1st or 2nd picks.

[boms]

I can now see you guys taking Rhys Palmer with pick 4.

Then someone like Pears or Collier at 14. Just cant see Henderson slipping from the doggies at pick 5 and McEvoy should be selected from 8-12

[melbournemartin]

What are the pros and cons of Palmer vs Masten vs Ebert?

[master bate]

What are the pros and cons of Palmer vs Masten vs Ebert?
We could probably put Morton in that as well, because if the tigers don't take him their are rumours that WC will pass on him.

Masten is the perfect in and under type but with pick 4 we might want more than that, Palmer has the pace to burn and good finishing skills but might also get burnt going the other way, Ebert seems to be a good standard midfielder, but hasn't played much senior SANFL and had a poor championship, Morton is a super fit, tall midfielder with great skills, but might not be able to get his own footy in tight.

[Deenamite]

We could probably put Morton in that as well, because if the tigers don't take him their are rumours that WC will pass on him.

Masten is the perfect in and under type but with pick 4 we might want more than that, Palmer has the pace to burn and good finishing skills but might also get burnt going the other way, Ebert seems to be a good standard midfielder, but hasn't played much senior SANFL and had a poor championship, Morton is a super fit, tall midfielder with great skills, but might not be able to get his own footy in tight.

Good analysis. :thumbsu:

[Deenamite]

I'm probably going to set up a player poll to see who you want to see taken at pick 4. I'm not sure if I should include Cotchin or Kruezer though?

What are your guys thoughts?

[Gilly1972]

Good analysis. :thumbsu:

Apart from the bit about Ebert having a poor championships. He played pretty much a lone hand in a very weak side. Was subsequently on the receiving end of some very close checking but was still better than servicable :thumbsu: Myers hasn't been talked about much on this board. I would think he has good claims to a top 4 selection too.

[sinepari]

Apart from the bit about Ebert having a poor championships. He played pretty much a lone hand in a very weak side. Was subsequently on the receiving end of some very close checking but was still better than servicable :thumbsu: Myers hasn't been talked about much on this board. I would think he has good claims to a top 4 selection too.

YAY:thumbsu:

[jetta2davey]

yeah Ebert is getting sold short on this board.

FWIW i think this is how it will pan out

Kruezer
Cotchin
Masten
Morton
Henderson
Palmer
Myers
Ebert

[Gilly1972]

yeah Ebert is getting sold short on this board.

FWIW i think this is how it will pan out

Kruezer
Cotchin
Masten
Morton
Henderson
Palmer
Myers
Ebert

Check out the phantom draft on the drafts and trading board, I snagged your #4 and your #5, at 4 and 14 for the dees :D. Highway robbery ;)

[melbournemartin]

I don't think that Myers is worth pick 4. For pick 4 we'd want some with a definate key position body (Rance or Henderson) and Myers seems to be a bit of a half-way utility.

[master bate]

Check out the phantom draft on the drafts and trading board, I snagged your #4 and your #5, at 4 and 14 for the dees :D. Highway robbery ;)And I've seen you've snagged Maric with 21, whilst he's not the type of player we really need he is absolute quality and I think you've made a good choice - just look at Shaun Higgins. I'd advise you to go for a tall defender with one of the last two picks. Then save the last spot on our list for the PSD.

[melbournemartin]

If Rance is available at #14 we'd be crazy not to take him.

[Tommyneu]

If Rance is available at #14 we'd be crazy not to take him.

I'm really into the draft this year and from what i'm hearing Rance could be a slider in the first round. You're right we would be mad not to pick him up. Also at 4, I'm really keen on either Morton or Myers. We have enough inside, tough runners (McLean, Jones, Sylvia) and could really use that touch of outside class now that TJ is gone, Morton is perfect. Myers can be both inside or outside and has fantastic leadership qualities. Very happy that we have Pick 4 this year! Go Dees.

[melbournemartin]

Isn't Myers more of a forward than midfielder?

If we want class then Palmer looks like the go?

[benrey_demons]

palmer, masten or morton should be the go

unless cotchin is available ;)

[eliasd82]

palmer, masten or morton should be the go

unless cotchin is available ;)

two of those four players will be available at pick 4.
i'd like Palmer or Morton.

cant see Cotch sliding to us...

[TOA.]

Check out the phantom draft on the drafts and trading board, I snagged your #4 and your #5, at 4 and 14 for the dees :D. Highway robbery ;)


Look at Gilly struting around the place telling everyone his picks :p

[melbournemartin]

I hear that Palmer is quick. Is he tough at all? What about the skills?

[sinepari]

I hear that Palmer is quick. Is he tough at all? What about the skills?

Not that quick, tough and fairly good skills. Need some work though.

[Gilly1972]

And I've seen you've snagged Maric with 21, whilst he's not the type of player we really need he is absolute quality and I think you've made a good choice - just look at Shaun Higgins. I'd advise you to go for a tall defender with one of the last two picks. Then save the last spot on our list for the PSD.

Thanks :)

I'll certainly try, I will see what falls through with respect to tall defenders....would think if i took one they would be fairly speculative down there.

As far as what you need, i haven't seen much of Weetra so I don't know what sort of prospect he is, but Yze is getting on and Hayes was de-listed and other than that I don't see a lot on your list (apart from Davey of course) who have as good natural instincts around goals as Maric. As I said I would see he and davey as being very dynamic and dangerous duo once the ball hits the deck in your forward 50......Maric has great hands too. both will work hard running the other way too....From what I've heard he is of very good character and will give everything a red hot go, which I think is paramount out past pick 20.