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Crowked
25 Oct 2007, 14:00
Since its been stated time and time again that this drafts top 20 are standouts with the rest considered a bit of a lottery, could someone identify this elite 20? Perhaps even have a stab at what order they might go in if you like?
I guess I am trying to just get some idea who might be available around our pick, and who from SA is likely to be playing AFL footy next year and beyond.
Thanks in advance.
Crowkydokydoodly
IddyBiddy
25 Oct 2007, 14:18
Since its been stated time and time again that this drafts top 20 are standouts with the rest considered a bit of a lottery, could someone identify this elite 20? Perhaps even have a stab at what order they might go in if you like?
I guess I am trying to just get some idea who might be available around our pick, and who from SA is likely to be playing AFL footy next year and beyond.
Thanks in advance.
Crowkydokydoodly
Have a peep at the Draft and Trading Board - Here is a Phantom started yesterday.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391019
Ebert and Greenwood are the most likely SA pick ups, whether they'll be about for us...time will tell
Crowked
28 Oct 2007, 09:45
Have a peep at the Draft and Trading Board - Here is a Phantom started yesterday.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391019
Ebert and Greenwood are the most likely SA pick ups, whether they'll be about for us...time will tell
Thanks mate.
Pick 10 > Adelaide - David Myers - 190cm 85kgs - Perth (Utility)
Pick 27 > Adelaide - Jarrod Grant - 191cm, 77kgs- Dandenong Stingrays (Key Fwd)
Pick 30 > Adelaide - Steven Browne -181cm 74kg - West Perth (Mid)
Pick 38 > Adelaide - Matthew De Boer - 185cm 81kgs - Claremont (Mid)
Pick 59 > Adelaide - Matthew Wright - 176cm 76kg - North Adelaide (Sml Fwd, Mid)
Anyone know anything about these guys? I'm a bit underwhelmed by this list, but I dont know a lot about them. I didnt know anything about VanBerlo either though, so lets hope if we get some of these thier talent exceeds their reputations. Cant say I'm too happy about the potential of seeing another Victorian key forward on our list. We havent had much luck with that strategy.
kimirocks
28 Oct 2007, 11:24
Especially not at 77kgs :o
I'm a skinny ****er and 6'1" so 5 cm's less, and I weigh 81kg. He must be the skinniest little ****er ever. DO NOT GET HIM PLEASE.
I want tall midfielders. Ebert, Morton, Myers or Collier and hopefully Gaertner with our second rounder if he is still available.
I would also take Cotchin or Masten. But odds of being them being around would be infinity to 1.
Ebert , Vespremi or Rioli at 10
Markthirtytwo
28 Oct 2007, 13:23
Thanks mate.
Pick 10 > Adelaide - David Myers - 190cm 85kgs - Perth (Utility)
Pick 27 > Adelaide - Jarrod Grant - 191cm, 77kgs- Dandenong Stingrays (Key Fwd)
Pick 30 > Adelaide - Steven Browne -181cm 74kg - West Perth (Mid)
Pick 38 > Adelaide - Matthew De Boer - 185cm 81kgs - Claremont (Mid)
Pick 59 > Adelaide - Matthew Wright - 176cm 76kg - North Adelaide (Sml Fwd, Mid)
Anyone know anything about these guys? I'm a bit underwhelmed by this list, but I dont know a lot about them. I didnt know anything about VanBerlo either though, so lets hope if we get some of these thier talent exceeds their reputations. Cant say I'm too happy about the potential of seeing another Victorian key forward on our list. We havent had much luck with that strategy.
I have read and re read this thread. It's a great ...............................well read. :D
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388450&page=6
Vic Crow
28 Oct 2007, 16:00
That is a fantastic thread Markthirtytwo. It's so convenient and gives a lot of different peoples opinions on most of the players that will feature in this draft, so it ends up being pretty balanced too.
I'd be surprised if Grant was 77kg. He looks a bit bigger than that. :confused: I'd also be surprised if we took him. He's a good player but we'll take Taylor thanks!
pinkcrows
28 Oct 2007, 16:40
I hope Ebert is still around at 10 but i doubt it
out of order
29 Oct 2007, 01:28
Since its been stated time and time again that this drafts top 20 are standouts with the rest considered a bit of a lottery, could someone identify this elite 20? Perhaps even have a stab at what order they might go in if you like?
I guess I am trying to just get some idea who might be available around our pick, and who from SA is likely to be playing AFL footy next year and beyond.
Thanks in advance.
Crowkydokydoodly
havent really read what bigfooty has to say on the draft (and its almost always the opposite happens anyway so what the point right?) BUT on the few interviews i've heard sounds like top10 is ok after that it really drops away. Its what makes our trading for mid-range picks even more mysterious/incompetent.
Vic Crow
29 Oct 2007, 09:15
That's not really true. This draft has quality about 25 or so deep. Can't say Top 10 is a number I've heard when talking about the drop off in talent...
Crowked
29 Oct 2007, 09:16
I have read and re read this thread. It's a great ...............................well read. :D
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388450&page=6
Thanks Mark. Great read
out of order
29 Oct 2007, 22:32
That's not really true. This draft has quality about 25 or so deep. Can't say Top 10 is a number I've heard when talking about the drop off in talent...
i think its was hawthorns recruiting manager who said 1-7 is good after that its a lottery.
Vic Crow
29 Oct 2007, 23:13
While I have a very defined Top 7 (still not sure of the order) there is another good group of players that could fall anywhere between 8-20 in my books, which is probably where Pelchin is coming from there. After 7 it is a lottery in that regard, but I'd be surprised if he was referring specifically to lack of quality there.
Even after 20 there's some good guys that'll probably still be around like Maric, Greenwood and Farmer for example.
out of order
30 Oct 2007, 00:43
fair enough i dont know bugger all about it to be honest. Can just go on what the experts say.
Seems however given that we traded some fairly decent players getting a pick within the top7 or within the 20 mark should have been a priority.
mulhollanddrive
30 Oct 2007, 01:03
Pelchin said 1-4, were clear - Cotchin, Kruzer, Morton, McEvoy.
Said 5-20 could pick up someone good, 20-25+ was very weak.
Pelchin knows crap all. Kruezer is going at 10 to the AFC.
johnnypanther
31 Oct 2007, 10:41
Pelchin knows crap all. Kruezer is going at 10 to the AFC.
no thanks - you should know by now that any big man taken by the AFC with a 1st or 2nd round draft pick is doomed by the curse of death :D
Campbell's Chunky
31 Oct 2007, 13:18
LOL. Ebert doesnt even support Port.
"Port would be good because of the family tradition and the fact Brett's there but the Crows are a good club too and as a kid I followed Essendon," said Ebert, who has been interviewed by every AFL club except Richmond, Fremantle and the Bulldogs.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22676361-21543,00.html
IddyBiddy
31 Oct 2007, 13:46
LOL. Ebert doesnt even support Port.
I thought he was very good at making it clear that Port is his preferred destination actually....without tampering of course.;)
Blind Fred
4 Nov 2007, 13:14
20 is not enough when we have picks 27 and 30 (and even 38) ... so here's a top 30 without any real consideration for club's needs etc
Kreuzer, Morton, Cotchin, Henderson, McEvoy, Palmer, Masten, Ebert, Grimes, Meyers, Otten, Grant, Dangerfield, Ward, Selwood, Rance, Maric, Gourdis, Simpson, Collier, Rioli, Pears, Greenwood, Lobbe, McGinnity, Tarrant, Farmer, Jacky, Armstrong, Curnow.
Blind Fred
4 Nov 2007, 13:17
Oh ... and for Vic Crow's sake, add in Vszrepeni somewehre in the teens.
Thunderstruck
4 Nov 2007, 14:23
Callan Ward is one bloke we must consider seriously. Exceptional skills and smarts, and not that small once he fills out at 183cm 71kg, will grow a bit more. I took him in the phantom draft at #10, mainly because Ebert and Myers were gone. But Wanted Myers first and foremost, 190cm running half back/wing Joel Corey like. Very good player.
But that aside Ward is underated by a few.
Didn't want Rioli at 10 as we need genuine midfielders with 10 not crumbing forwards. He is good but we can do better. Gotta fix the engine before you add the paintwork.
Didn't want Rioli at 10 as we need genuine midfielders with 10 not crumbing forwards. He is good but we can do better. Gotta fix the engine before you add the paintwork.
But what a lovely piece of paintwork he'd make though!! :)
Markthirtytwo
5 Nov 2007, 07:38
Callan Ward is one bloke we must consider seriously. Exceptional skills and smarts, and not that small once he fills out at 183cm 71kg, will grow a bit more. I took him in the phantom draft at #10, mainly because Ebert and Myers were gone. But Wanted Myers first and foremost, 190cm running half back/wing Joel Corey like. Very good player.
But that aside Ward is underated by a few.
Didn't want Rioli at 10 as we need genuine midfielders with 10 not crumbing forwards. He is good but we can do better. Gotta fix the engine before you add the paintwork.
We are getting told constantly by others here that we have the engine of the future in our ranks now, so why wouldn't we get the next best available who fits our needs perfectly?
Rioli fits that bill going by the so called experts on the drafting web site.
We need pace in our forward 50. That's something we don't have at the minute.
Vic Crow
5 Nov 2007, 09:21
Oh ... and for Vic Crow's sake, add in Vszrepeni somewehre in the teens.
:thumbsu:;)
Patrick Vegetarianpizzapremiere
BunjiMac
5 Nov 2007, 21:02
+1 for Rioli
Bring some excitement back to our forward lines!!
Thunderstruck
5 Nov 2007, 23:03
We still need more in the middle. Our current crop of kids is good but it wouldn't even get close to matching the power midfield of Geelong and West Coast (when it had it and really it still does), and they kept on drafting quality with their early picks to rotate through the midfield. My ideal side is like Geelong, like WCE, like Centrals...DEEP rotating quality midfields to keep up the relentless attack all 120mins of the game, pref larger bodied as well ala cats. Port as well is heading that way. There is something about Rioli that doesn't quite sit with me, having watched 100's of tapes of all sorts of under 18 games this year I really like what I see with Ward. Small forwards are easier to pick up and develop later in the draft, unless they are an absolute major standout.
Easy to criticise TS at the moment, we will see in a few years time. I haven't seen Ward play but reading the opinions of those with credibility on the D&T board, Ward sounds like a very good pick. Although the Crows need a crumber you don't pass over talent like Ward.
Hi guys, (I have posted this same message on the main draft page, but also want crows supporters feedback)
What I would love to know, if possible possibly from someone in the know how, who works within a recruitment team for any of the AFL clubs, is which players do most supporters think will go early but will end up going really late and possibly not even getting picked up (eg in recent years i'm reminded of Ruory Kirkby, expercted to go top 20 but ended up being picked up as a rookie), and which players do fans expect to be picked up latter eg 30+ but will end up going high eg top12. (recent eg Boak expected last year to go 15-20 ended up pick 5).
I want to decrease the element of surprise a little bit.
Your feedback would be great.
My non-informed tip is Nick Salter from Eagles, expected to go in the rookie draft, i think will go around 35.
James_37
6 Nov 2007, 15:19
There is something about Rioli that doesn't quite sit with me
Agree here mate, whilst he has some very good reports, I am yet to be convinced about Rioli, he just fails to excite me too much. I do admit we need a quality, quick, small forward, and he seems to be the best, but Maric and Vezpremi excite me more, although the likelyhood of those 2 falling to 27 isn't high i wouldn't have thought and pick 10 seems a little high.
Hi guys, (I have posted this same message on the main draft page, but also want crows supporters feedback)
What I would love to know, if possible possibly from someone in the know how, who works within a recruitment team for any of the AFL clubs, is which players do most supporters think will go early but will end up going really late and possibly not even getting picked up (eg in recent years i'm reminded of Ruory Kirkby, expercted to go top 20 but ended up being picked up as a rookie), and which players do fans expect to be picked up latter eg 30+ but will end up going high eg top12. (recent eg Boak expected last year to go 15-20 ended up pick 5).
I want to decrease the element of surprise a little bit.
Your feedback would be great.
My non-informed tip is Nick Salter from Eagles, expected to go in the rookie draft, i think will go around 35.
Slider: Alex Rance
Bolter: Callan Ward.
Vic Crow
6 Nov 2007, 19:50
Agree here mate, whilst he has some very good reports, I am yet to be convinced about Rioli, he just fails to excite me too much. I do admit we need a quality, quick, small forward, and he seems to be the best, but Maric and Vezpremi excite me more, although the likelyhood of those 2 falling to 27 isn't high i wouldn't have thought and pick 10 seems a little high.
Exactly my view.
Will feel kind of underwhelmed with Rioli at 10 but fear that it's definitely too early for Maric and just a little bit too early for Veszpremi. I wouldn't put Maric at 27 out of the question, but I also wouldn't bank on it.
Exactly my view.
Will feel kind of underwhelmed with Rioli at 10 but fear that it's definitely too early for Maric and just a little bit too early for Veszpremi. I wouldn't put Maric at 27 out of the question, but I also wouldn't bank on it.
There were those who criticized some of us for dummy spitting over the Bulldogs pulling a last minute shaft with pick 22, which they traded to WCE instead of giving it to us as was originally thought would be the case.
That loss of 8 spots from 22 to 30 may make all the difference in picking up a player such as Maric.
I really wish that we had got pick 22.
James_37
6 Nov 2007, 20:47
There were those who criticized some of us for dummy spitting over the Bulldogs pulling a last minute shaft with pick 22, which they traded to WCE instead of giving it to us as was originally thought would be the case.
That loss of 8 spots from 22 to 30 may make all the difference in picking up a player such as Maric.
I really wish that we had got pick 22.
Yeah, the bulldogs really screwed us over big time with that tricky little move, I really hope Rendell learns from that big time, surely we could have found something to offer as well as hudson for that pick, I mean if we were just going to delist Pfeiffer or Hinge, surely we could have added them as sweeteners to the deal, but thats all speculative, we should have atleast said early second round, not just anywhere.
Vic Crow
6 Nov 2007, 20:51
There were those who criticized some of us for dummy spitting over the Bulldogs pulling a last minute shaft with pick 22, which they traded to WCE instead of giving it to us as was originally thought would be the case.
That loss of 8 spots from 22 to 30 may make all the difference in picking up a player such as Maric.
I really wish that we had got pick 22.
I didn't have the heart to bring it up...but I really think having Pick 27 as our first pick after 10 will sting.
Thunderstruck
6 Nov 2007, 21:00
There were those who criticized some of us for dummy spitting over the Bulldogs pulling a last minute shaft with pick 22, which they traded to WCE instead of giving it to us as was originally thought would be the case.
That loss of 8 spots from 22 to 30 may make all the difference in picking up a player such as Maric.
I really wish that we had got pick 22.
Totally agree. I rekon there will still be a sliding first round worthy player at 22 but come 27 he will definitely be gone. 22 is pretty much where the cut-off is between the top guys and the 'rest'. Just have to hope someone good slides our way.
Went with McGinnity with 2nd pick, great offensive and defensive, can really tag well but also attack footy hard with good speed and skills. One of WA's gun players but doesn't get accolades.
James_37
6 Nov 2007, 21:35
Totally agree. I rekon there will still be a sliding first round worthy player at 22 but come 27 he will definitely be gone. 22 is pretty much where the cut-off is between the top guys and the 'rest'. Just have to hope someone good slides our way.
Went with McGinnity with 2nd pick, great offensive and defensive, can really tag well but also attack footy hard with good speed and skills. One of WA's gun players but doesn't get accolades.
Definitely agree here, since i think Greenwood, Vez and Maric had gone. I get the feeling though that he will be the huge bolter come draft day, a young tagger who can hurt the opposition to take over from shirley would be great to pick up.
20 is not enough when we have picks 27 and 30 (and even 38) ... so here's a top 30 without any real consideration for club's needs etc
Kreuzer, Morton, Cotchin, Henderson, McEvoy, Palmer, Masten, Ebert, Grimes, Meyers, Otten, Grant, Dangerfield, Ward, Selwood, Rance, Maric, Gourdis, Simpson, Collier, Rioli, Pears, Greenwood, Lobbe, McGinnity, Tarrant, Farmer, Jacky, Armstrong, Curnow.
Nice list.
Couple of questions though. Which Simpson is that (Dawson or Scott) and what makes you think Armstrong and Curnow will go that highly?