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mitch820
26 Oct 2007, 14:35
What numbers do you thing our known recriuts will be given.
These numbers are available after trades and delistings as well as the two rested numbers:
11 (rested from Maxfield), 13, 14 (rested from Paul Kelly), 15, 26, 29, 38, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47
CharlieG
26 Oct 2007, 14:43
What *I* would do:
11. Barlow
13. Mattner
14. Bird
26. Playfair
29. Pick 11
38. Pick 26
However, I suspect we'll see 11 and 14 passed over again.
chalbilto
26 Oct 2007, 17:50
However, I suspect we'll see 11 and 14 passed over again.
It bemuses me that numbers are "retired". What does it achieve. You remember the player and his exploits and his number worn is only an
addendum identifying him. :confused:
ssfc0203
26 Oct 2007, 18:06
Don't know why, but players wearing numbers over 40 weirds me out :o
What *I* would do:
11. Barlow
13. Mattner
14. Bird
26. Playfair
29. Pick 11
38. Pick 26
However, I suspect we'll see 11 and 14 passed over again.
No pressure there :D
It's about time #14 came out of retirement and I think Bird would wear it well.
It's about time #14 came out of retirement and I think Bird would wear it well.
I actually agree. We know Bird has the talent to be a good player and number 14 should go to a NSW boy.
xxscubaxx
26 Oct 2007, 22:45
and why should the number 14 goto a nsw boy? alot of sydney supporters forget a fair percentage of swans supporters were sth melb supporters or due to that link. i understand the need for the team to be symbolic of sydney and nsw but i think we are still a generation away from that kind of segregated attitude.
also are you forgetting the greatest player to wear 14 for the swans was not a nswman?
and why should the number 14 goto a nsw boy? alot of sydney supporters forget a fair percentage of swans supporters were sth melb supporters or due to that link. i understand the need for the team to be symbolic of sydney and nsw but i think we are still a generation away from that kind of segregated attitude.
also are you forgetting the greatest player to wear 14 for the swans was not a nswman?
Yes but Paul Kelly is from NSW.
xxscubaxx
26 Oct 2007, 22:56
so? paul kelly is my favourite player of all time and i'll be the first to admit hes got nothing on bob skilton.
so? paul kelly is my favourite player of all time and i'll be the first to admit hes got nothing on bob skilton.
I'll take your word for it as my AFL history prior to 1990 is poor at best.
xxscubaxx
26 Oct 2007, 23:24
i'll give you the rundown.
Bob Skilton
9 B&F
3 Brownlow Medals
3 Club Leading Goal Kicker
13 season Captain (165 games)
238 total games
2 seasons as coach
Victorian Team of the Century (anyone know how many times he rep'd?)
AFL Team of the Century
AFL HoF (Legend)
Paul kelly
4 B&F
1 Brownlow Medal
10 season Captain (182 Games)
234 total games
3 time All-Australian (twice captain)
AFL HoF
and why should the number 14 goto a nsw boy? alot of sydney supporters forget a fair percentage of swans supporters were sth melb supporters or due to that link. i understand the need for the team to be symbolic of sydney and nsw but i think we are still a generation away from that kind of segregated attitude.
also are you forgetting the greatest player to wear 14 for the swans was not a nswman?
Why does every conversation turn into a NSW V Vic debate?
Yes, Bob Skilton was the greatest ever SOUTH MELBOURNE player, I don't think you'll find anyone on this board that would disagree with you. But Kelly is (in my opinion) the one most synonymous with the SYDNEY SWANS.
I actually don't agree with retiring certain numbers, if we keep going the way we are by holding back #14, #11 next we'll have no one playing in #37 and #31 because we can't replace Goodesy and Kirk, I think it's time to bring all the numbers back into circulation and starting with a good young prospect in Bird is a good place to start. The fact that he is also a NSW boy is a bonus. We should give pick 11 guernsey #11 then all the numbers are back out there again.
bloods01
27 Oct 2007, 16:22
i'll give you the rundown.
Bob Skilton
9 B&F
3 Brownlow Medals
3 Club Leading Goal Kicker
13 season Captain (165 games)
238 total games
2 seasons as coach
Victorian Team of the Century (anyone know how many times he rep'd?)
AFL Team of the Century
AFL HoF (Legend)
Paul kelly
4 B&F
1 Brownlow Medal
10 season Captain (182 Games)
234 total games
3 time All-Australian (twice captain)
AFL HoF
It's very hard to compare the two players. They played in different eras. Very tough call either way.
scottwade
27 Oct 2007, 18:11
Bob Skilton
Victorian Team of the Century (anyone know how many times he rep'd?)
25 games, 47 goals. :)
robbieando
28 Oct 2007, 02:45
It's very hard to compare the two players. They played in different eras. Very tough call either way.
Its a very easy call.
One is a Legend of the Game and considered to be one of the Top 20 Players of ALL TIME.
The other was one of the best players of the 90's and one of the Swans greatest 5 players (He was named the TOTC Vice Captain, but I think the like's of Nash, Pratt and Goodes muddle the Top 2-5 placings debate). Era's they played in don't come into it.
Yes Paul Kelly was a great player, but his deeds on the football field don't come close to matching those of Skilton and it doesn't even matter which State of Australia either of them was from.
We are just damn lucky to have two very good players to have worn the 14 jumper with pride and are able to have this kind of discussion.
As for the debate over retiring jumpers. I think you should only do it for numbers of "special meaning" and 14 clearly has because of Skilton and Kelly earnt that right. But for most other number such as 1, 11, 31 and most likely 37 I say rest them for a season upon retirement of a club great such as a Maxfield, Hall, Kirk etc and give them to a draftee at random the next season they are available.
As for 14, I'm all for retiring it for good. But if it is ever returned to "service" don't "hand it down" upon a player, because they will then be expected to live up to the jumper. Just pick a new draftee at random (regardless of where they are from) and give them the number and let them grow into the number without expectation.
xxscubaxx
28 Oct 2007, 09:39
Its a very easy call.
Just pick a new draftee at random (regardless of where they are from) and give them the number and let them grow into the number without expectation.
exactly! regardless of where they are from, this whole he should be from nsw thing is rediculous and frankly insulting to vic based fans.
25 times? thats insane! what a bloody legend. on a unrelated side note they should definately bring back State of Origin, look how well league has adopted it from afl, i think afl states will get behind it again.
Here It Is
28 Oct 2007, 10:26
Bird for 14, I agree completely. It's been five years, that's enough.
I also like the Cheese for 11 call from earlier on this thread. Do it before he becomes too ingrained in 41.
mitch820
28 Oct 2007, 13:21
Bird for 14, I agree completely. It's been five years, that's enough.
I also like the Cheese for 11 call from earlier on this thread. Do it before he becomes too ingrained in 41.
I hope he doesn't stay with 41. It's a wonder why goodes didn't get an earlier number after he got rising star in '99.
Benevolent Ert
28 Oct 2007, 16:09
What *I* would do:
11. Barlow
13. Mattner
14. Bird
26. Playfair
29. Pick 11
38. Pick 26
However, I suspect we'll see 11 and 14 passed over again.
I like Charlie's suggestion, and would hate to see the #14 retired permanently
I think Bird is a good choice for 14, but lets not make it anthing to do with expectation
Also if Jack is retained he may be looking for a lower number
And presumably there will be a delisting or 2 more, opening up a couple more numbers
MalceskiFan
30 Oct 2007, 12:37
How about as an easy solution we give number 11 to whoever we draft at 11 and 26 to whoever we draft at 26?
Michaelg
30 Oct 2007, 12:51
It's very hard to compare the two players. They played in different eras. Very tough call either way.
I watched both of them through their entire careers. Kel was fantastic. Skilts was in a statosphere all his own.
rancidpants13
30 Oct 2007, 17:47
How about as an easy solution we give number 11 to whoever we draft at 11 and 26 to whoever we draft at 26?
that kind of commonsense approach will have mr demetriou calling for your removal from all things AFL
[QUOTE=J-swan;9338368]Why does every conversation turn into a NSW V Vic debate?
Yes, Bob Skilton was the greatest ever SOUTH MELBOURNE player,
I don't want to turn this into a raging debate but Bob Skillton is arguably the best ever Swans player of all time. Ron Pratt, Ron Clegg, and Laurie Nash among others would be up there. Trouble is, I'd guess, nobody on this board would have seen them play. There is a reason that Bob Skilton and Paul Kelly were on the dias handing over the Premieship cup. They were the best players of their era.
I would like to see 14 back on the field next year. It has been 5 years and I think long enough.
From memory Hawthorn retired 5 for about 20 years after Crimmins died. Now worn by Sam Mitchell. A future leader qand champion.
Geelong have brought back 5 this year with Travis Varcoe.
If Bird is as hard at the ball as I have heard, he gets my nod.
I always thought the player made the number and not the number making the player.
After all Matthews is playing in 4.
chalbilto
31 Oct 2007, 21:37
I always thought the player made the number and not the number making the player.
After all Matthews is playing in 4.
Spot on:thumbsu:
Mick Oxlong
31 Oct 2007, 22:56
I would like to see 14 back on the field next year. It has been 5 years and I think long enough.
From memory Hawthorn retired 5 for about 20 years after Crimmins died. Now worn by Sam Mitchell. A future leader qand champion.
Geelong have brought back 5 this year with Travis Varcoe.
If Bird is as hard at the ball as I have heard, he gets my nod.
I always thought the player made the number and not the number making the player.
After all Matthews is playing in 4.
I believe Mitchell IS the leader...spot on though! There is too much expectation on the player to live up to the number, whereas he should just live up to the responsibility of becoming a good AFL team player.
bombersno1
2 Nov 2007, 07:37
Outsider view,
What about give Goodes 14? Groom Bird to take over it when Goodes retires. 11 is a tough one for you guys but Barlow would do it proud if given the chance. I hate retiring numbers though!
ssfc0203
2 Nov 2007, 20:41
Outsider view,
What about give Goodes 14? Groom Bird to take over it when Goodes retires. 11 is a tough one for you guys but Barlow would do it proud if given the chance. I hate retiring numbers though!
He's been too ingrained in it, first premmie, first & second Brownlow medals and the Skilton's.
Sentimental value, you know? :)
mitch820
5 Nov 2007, 10:59
After all numbers available have been finalised, this is what I think should happen:
11. Bird
13. Mattner
14. Barlow
15. Pick 11
26. Playfair
29. Jack
38. Pick 26
O'Dwyer and Rowe will probably stay with 43 and 46 repectively if put back on rookie list.
Retiring numbers is silly, its not the number thats a legend, its the player.
After all numbers available have been finalised, this is what I think should happen:
11. Bird
13. Mattner
14. Barlow
15. Pick 11
26. Playfair
29. Jack
38. Pick 26
O'Dwyer and Rowe will probably stay with 43 and 46 repectively if put back on rookie list.
Retiring numbers is silly, its not the number thats a legend, its the player.
So you rekkon the famous number 14 guernsey should go to The Big Cheese :)
mitch820
6 Nov 2007, 07:46
So you rekkon the famous number 14 guernsey should go to The Big Cheese :)
He's good enough, he so agile and tall. Getting 18 possessions in his first game shows that this kid is going to be be awsome.
natlovestheswans
6 Nov 2007, 19:17
I hope Jake gets #47. Haha!
is2SWaNz
6 Nov 2007, 19:19
I hope Jake gets #47. Haha!
Good idea. I wouldn't mind. ;]
bloods01
7 Nov 2007, 15:37
He's good enough, he so agile and tall. Getting 18 possessions in his first game shows that this kid is going to be be awsome.
Surely you can't judge a player on one game? Yes he shows potential but it's way to premature to say he's going to be awsome.
mitch820
9 Nov 2007, 10:02
Surely you can't judge a player on one game? Yes he shows potential but it's way to premature to say he's going to be awsome.
OK, sorry, maybe awsome isn't the best word to use. How about 'he shows a tonne of potential.'
bloods01
11 Nov 2007, 10:36
OK, sorry, maybe awsome isn't the best word to use. How about 'he shows a tonne of potential.'
Much better.
Who knows, maybe after next year we can incorporate the word "awsome" ;)
rancidpants13
11 Nov 2007, 20:22
Surely you can't judge a player on one game? Yes he shows potential but it's way to premature to say he's going to be awsome.
just look at heath grundy's debut
Here It Is
12 Nov 2007, 16:42
just look at heath grundy's debut
And he hasn't played in that position since IIRC
Benevolent Ert
21 Dec 2007, 20:18
Swans website now lists Ed Barlow as #11
No news on other numbers though
is2SWaNz
21 Dec 2007, 20:31
How exciting, and just after Maxfield isn't?
mitch820
21 Dec 2007, 21:41
Swans website now lists Ed Barlow as #11
No news on other numbers though
Cool :D
scottwade
21 Dec 2007, 22:42
Swans website now lists Ed Barlow as #11
No news on other numbers though
I know it sounds ridiculous, but somehow the number suits him.
Just thinking it actually could be argued that more top players have worn that guernsey number than even #14 (only Kelly & Skilts?). Consider guys who have worn #11 include Bedford, Browning, Cazaly, Maxfield, Papley, & Pratt (before he swapped to 10).
PS To be honest I'm not sure Maxfield warrants inclusion in that pantheon, but I'd probably be attacked if I left him off. As I will be now for casting aspersions on him. :)
ssfc0203
22 Dec 2007, 13:06
I hope he does the #11 proud, right now it looks as if he has the goods to.
I wonder what number the Vesz and Meredith will get, 15 sounds right for Pat..
I'm going to keep a track on both of them, because i sort of haven't with all the other rookies :D
natlovestheswans
22 Dec 2007, 18:23
Pleaseee give 47 to Beanie!!
I know it sounds ridiculous, but somehow the number suits him.
Just thinking it actually could be argued that more top players have worn that guernsey number than even #14 (only Kelly & Skilts?). Consider guys who have worn #11 include Bedford, Browning, Cazaly, Maxfield, Papley, & Pratt (before he swapped to 10).
PS To be honest I'm not sure Maxfield warrants inclusion in that pantheon, but I'd probably be attacked if I left him off. As I will be now for casting aspersions on him. :)
Yes, you are going to cop it from me, I only started following the Swans because of Stewie!
Benevolent Ert
9 Jan 2008, 22:23
What *I* would do:
11. Barlow
13. Mattner
14. Bird
26. Playfair
29. Pick 11
38. Pick 26
However, I suspect we'll see 11 and 14 passed over again.
Very close to the money there Charlie - only got Veszpremi and Mattner the wrong way around
Also if Jack is retained he may be looking for a lower number
Of course, I was right too!
New numbers for 2008:
11. Ed Barlow
13. Patrick Veszpremi
14. Craig Bird
15. Keiran Jack
26. Henry Playfair
29. Martin Mattner
38. Brett Meredith
No word on the rookie list yet, though retained rookies Smith and O'Dwyer are expected to keep their old numbers (40 and 43 respectively)
little village
9 Jan 2008, 22:34
is still think that the captain should wear number 14 in honour of two of The best E.V.E.R one from Sth Melb and one from Sydney.
of course i know we have umpteen captains
just the one would be ok
Big Wheel
10 Jan 2008, 08:49
Outsider view,
What about give Goodes 14? Groom Bird to take over it when Goodes retires. 11 is a tough one for you guys but Barlow would do it proud if given the chance. I hate retiring numbers though!
No bloody chance in hell should Goodes change his number!!
It will be a number to remember long after he has retired.
As a few boys have said the player makes the number and that is certainly what has happened to number 37 !!
Malceski09
11 Jan 2008, 22:08
When will the rookie listed players receive their numbers, does anybody know? :confused:
Malceski09
30 Jan 2008, 17:46
Does someone know about them? I know all the senior players have numbers, but I do not know the rookie listed players numbers though.
Can someone post them please? :thumbsu:
Benevolent Ert
30 Jan 2008, 21:52
Still no news on the rookies, but the senior list as listed below
New numbers for 2008:
11. Ed Barlow
13. Patrick Veszpremi
14. Craig Bird
15. Keiran Jack
26. Henry Playfair
29. Martin Mattner
38. Brett Meredith
No word on the rookie list yet, though retained rookies Smith and O'Dwyer are expected to keep their old numbers (40 and 43 respectively)
grimlock
31 Jan 2008, 12:50
Numbers available:
41, 44, 45, 46, 47
Players yet to be given a number
Brendan Murphy
Aaron Bruce
Dean Terlich
Matthew Beckmans
Jake Orreal
I hope to see
Murphy - #41 (a tribute to Kennelly's original number)
Bruce - #44
Beckmans - #45
Terlich - #46
Orreal - #47
mitch820
7 Feb 2008, 11:21
The Rookie's numbers are up on the swans website:
41 - Murphy
44 - Orreal
46 - Beckmans
47 - Bruce
48 - Terlich
Smith and O'Dwyer have kept their old numbers 40 and 43 respectively.
I wonder why 45 wasn't used.
grimlock
7 Feb 2008, 12:50
Hmm interesting, guess they felt the need to retire at least 1 number!
Benevolent Ert
7 Feb 2008, 18:55
Even though according to the site they will be using 48 twice!
natlovestheswans
7 Feb 2008, 19:57
44.. how lame!
grimlock
8 Feb 2008, 10:19
Even though according to the site they will be using 48 twice!
Who is the 2nd #48? The site doesn't seem to work for me anymore.
natlovestheswans
8 Feb 2008, 10:54
Who is the 2nd #48? The site doesn't seem to work for me anymore.
Kieran Jack?
Malceski09
8 Feb 2008, 12:35
Kieran Jack?
He's 15 now. lol
But I wouldn't be surprised if they list him as 48 still though. :D
natlovestheswans
8 Feb 2008, 14:15
He's 15 now. lol
But I wouldn't be surprised if they list him as 48 still though. :D
Oh that's good, i'm glad he got an earlier number.