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Foj1 Phantom Draft
Dare say plenty people won’t agree with some of these selections. Must preface by saying I know the TAC players much better than interstaters. Draft picks may not be used by clubs but just lists a few additional players anyway. This list is not how I rate players but how I think clubs may go. The average height of draftees last year was 187cm and the taller blokes usually get an advantage come draft time. Look forward to the debate.
1.Carlton- Matthew Kruezer 199cm 91kg Northern Knights
Talented, mobile ruckman who ticks all the boxes. Can also be effective in the forward line. Too good to pass on.
2. Richmond- Cale Morton 192cm 75kg Claremont/WA
Outstanding athlete who has A+ disposal by foot. Reads the play well and should be suited to the AFL quarterback role at Half Back.
3. West Coast- Chris Masten 179cm 78kg East Fremantle/ WA
Hard at it, strong bodied inside midfielder. When fit possesses outstanding endurance and has the ability to feed teammates which is an extremely beneficial trait in the expanses of Subiaco. Query on Masten’s kicking, its efficient without being penetrating but wont hurt his prospects.
4. Melbourne- Trent Cotchin 184cm 81kg Northern Knights
Super silky skilled midfielder who has speed, A+ disposal and outstanding vision. He will need to get a lot fitter and stronger to compete at the next level but when he does will be a terrific talent at AFL level.
5. Western Bulldogs- Lachlan Henderson 196cm 90kg Geelong Falcons
Talented tall forward who has a wretched year with injury. Has the ability to mark strongly, display surprising agility and rotate between chf and ff. Perhaps slight risk drafting Henderson because of injuries but we need to remember Joel Selwood’s season to know that taking a risk on talented players is well worth taking.
6. Essendon- David Myers 190cm 85kg Perth/WA
Tall and mobile half back/ winger who can dispose of the ball magnificently. Makes good decisions with the ball and can break lines with both speed and disposal. Suited to the Dome.
7. Fremantle- Rhys Palmer180cm 76kg East Fremantle/ WA
Quick midfielder with a touch of flair. Has the ability to rack up the possessions and kick goals. Had an outstanding National Carnival and carried that form to the WAFL. Will thrive running around Subiaco.
8. Brisbane- Dave Gourdis 193cm 88kg Subiaco/WA
Mobile athletic tall who I envisage being a hard working lead up forward at AFL level. Has good hands and a strong kick and his performance at Draft Camp would have lifted his stocks considerably. Long term replacement for Bradshaw and an upgrade on Wayde Mills at CHF sooner rather than later.
9. St Kilda- Alex Rance 194cm 87kg Swan Districts/ WA
Tall key position player who looks suited to the last line of defence. Has a strong kick which could be a lethal weapon at AFL level and would be a good long term replacement for Max Hudghton.
10. Adelaide- Brad Ebert 187cm 86kg Port Magpies/ SA
Tallish midfielder who is a true allrounder who can play both inside and outside as a midfielder. Ebert is a good kick of the footy and is quick enough. A reliable midfielder who will develop into a consistent performer at AFL level.
11. Sydney- Steven Gaertner 196cm 83kg Dandenong
Athletic freak who possesses the athletic attributes to be a high level AFL footballer. Needs to improve his disposal. I think he will be developed into a CHB at AFL level where he will be able to utilise his strengths.
12. Hawthorn- Cyril Rioli 178cm 74kg Nothern Territory
Highly skilled footballer who comes from a famous football family. Extremely clever small who will begin career as crumbing forward but will be exciting midfielder once he develops fitness after a couple of preseasons.
13. West Coast- Ben McEvoy 199cm 91kg Murray
Talented tall who has shown the ability to play well both as a forward and a ruckman. I believe he could play some games next year as a forward and would continue to improve his ruckwork training with Cox and Seaby.
14. Melbourne- Jarrad Grant 191cm 77kg Dandenong
Super talented mobile forward who is quick on the lead and has very good hands. A dangerous goal kicker who would be a third tall at AFL level.
15. Kangaroos- Scott Simpson 194cm 91kg Dandenong
Promising CHF who is a very strong mark and works hard during a game. I would like to see Simpson become a little more agile and cleaner below his knees but shapes up as a good key position prospect.
16. Port Adelaide- Patrick Dangerfield 188cm 80kg Geelong Falcons
Extremely athletic back/midfielder who has pace, agility and long kick. I see him beginning his career as running back who will be able to move through the midfield.
17.Geelong- Callan Ward 183cm 71kg Western Jets
Classy operator who has shown ability to play HB. HF and through the midfield. His strengths are his kicking (near best in the draft) and his outstanding vision. Will begin as a flanker but could be a dangerous onballer with his disposal.
18. Richmond- Dawson Simpson 205cm 97kg Murray Bushrangers
This bloke is TALL. He improved out of sight as the year went on but still has a long way to go. However so do the Tigers and this bloke could be an awesome ruckman down the path if his development continues at the same rate. Remember Ruckman take time but the rewards can be significant- See Hamish McIntosh
19. Western Bulldogs- Jack Grimes 187cm 76kg Northern Knights
Grimes does everything well. Gets his own ball, fast enough, kicks well enough and very consistent. Had a serious back injury but I don’t think it will affect him too much come draft time. Oozes leadership with a very solid character. Reckon he will have a good career as an inside onballer- see Jude Bolton
20. West Coast- Tayte Pears 192cm 90kg East Perth/ WA
Botton aged third tall who is athletic and should develop into a very good AFL defender. Will take some time but if he can come on it could release Adam Hunter to go forward more. Part of an awesome WA U/18 side and I think WC will be keen to get him.
21. Melbourne- Pat Veszpremi 181cm 83kg Northern Knights
Tough, nuggety player who also has a lot of talent. Had an injury riddled year and finished off the year playing with a BAD shoulder. Can play forward, back and midfield and would be fun to watch with McLean, Jones and Sylvia. What I like about him is he hates to lose a contest. Those blokes usually make it.
22. West Coast- Tom Collier 192cm 86kg Tasmania
Super athletic tallish utility who continues to develop. I think the Eagles will take the best available and players who will fit into the way they play and this bloke would be extremely difficult to match up on- especially at Subiaco. I am undecided where this bloke will ultimately play at AFL level but he has the tools to be a good one.
23. Essendon- Addam Maric 179cm 80kg Calder Cannons
Injury ruined Maric’s second half of the year but he has done enough. Led Metro’s goalkicking this year while playing the last 2 games with a dislocated shoulder. Maric’s strengths are his kicking and goal sense. For him to be more than a dangerous forward pocket he is going to have to work on his endurance running. Will begin his career feeding off the scraps of Lloyd, Lucas and Gumbleton and if he is willing to put the work in could be a dangerous midfielder with his penetrating kicking.
24. Fremantle- Tony Notte 194cm 70kg Swan Districts/WA
Bottom aged super THIN but super talented tall who will be hitting KFC and the Gymnasium everyday for the next three years. Possesses good hands, talented below his knees and has footy smarts. Has time to develop while Pavlich, Tarrant and others are at the peak of their powers. Could be a steal.
25. Brisbane- Scott Selwood- 184cm 81kg Bendigo
Hard at it and smart midfielder/ defender who is an honest footballer. Ticks all boxes though lacks a touch of class for mine. Will fit into the small defenders role and could see action next year. A nice replacement for Scott and Johnson.
26. Sydney- Marlon Motlop- 182cm 76kg Northern Territory
Excitement machine who was a trifle disappointing at the National championships. Has flair, agility, speed and good foot skills. Will need time to develop body strength but a good replacement for Schnieder and later on Micky O.
27. Adelaide- Andy Otten- 192cm 86kg Oakleigh Chargers
Tall mobile footballer who can play tall or run through the flanks/midfield. Had a purple patch of form midyear where he was near impossible to stop. I think he will develop into a tall mobile forward who will ‘blow up’ opponents- a bit like Tarrant does. Has a fair bit of development in him.
28. Port Adelaide- Matthew Lobbe 197cm 80kg Eastern Ranges
Tall and athletic Lobbe has all the tools but built very little this year. Has been played mainly forward and in the ruck I think Lobbe’s best position will be as a tall back. Isnt tall enough to ruck, hasn’t got enough tricks to play forward but I think he has the athleticism to play key back. Will need to continue to work on agility and strnegth but I think he is worth the risk here.
29. Hawthorn- Toby Thoolan 195cm 92kg Bendigo
Bottom age tall who shows a lot. Has the ability to play any of the key posts and covers the ground extremely well. Will need a bit of time to continue to find an AFL body but may prove a very wise choice. At a pinch I would guess that he will be a very good CHB. Reminds me of Ben Reid.
30. Adelaide- James Wundke 196cm 87kg North Adelaide/ SA
Tall who has a lot of ability. I liked him during the Nationals and thought the biggest thing holding him back was his lack of body strength. I think he will end up being a tall forward but will need a few preseasons to build up first.
31. Collingwood- Matthew De Boer 185cm 81kg Claremont/ WA
Tough and skilful onballer who was one of the unsung heroes of this years WA side. He is a bottom age kid who should develop into an AFL midfielder. Has the right size and shape that Collingwood usually go for. There is talk he may not nominate for the draft which is a big question mark.
32. Kangaroos- Ashley Arrowsmith 188cm 82kg Calder Cannons
Arrowsmith is a hard one to guage as his strengths are AFL quality but his weaknesses are clear as well. Arrowsmith is an A+ kick who is evasive and is a goalkicking midfielder. His weaknesses are he may lack a bit of speed and is a touch timid in heavy traffic. I think the Roos may pounce as Harris, Swallow and Co can feed this sort of player and Simpson, Pratt and Co should be able to toughen him up a touch.
33. Port Adelaide- Levi Greenwood 181cm 91kg Port Magpies/ SA
Solidly built midfielder who can get the ball and usually disposes of it well enough. I have some doubts about his body shape but he should be able to develop into an AFL inside midfielder who has a bit of aggression.
34. Geelong- Dean Putt 202cm 88kg Calder Cannons
Putt has the agility of a much smaller man but the ruck ability of Tony Liberatore at present. Spent this year playing mainly as a mobile CHF and led Calders goalkicking. Saw him play very well in the ruck against Oakleigh against the equally timid Fieschi. Putt will need to toughen up significantly to survive at this level but if he does the rewards will be significant as he has a lot of natural ability.
35. Western Bulldogs- Rob Tarrant 196cm 92kg Bendigo Pioneers
Big strong marking forward who has more than his fair share of injuries. He needs to get fitter and his sidewards movement doesn’t impress me greatly. However he can take a contested mark and he has a lot of upside. Could be a bust but in this draft at this pick I would roll the dice.
36. Carlton- Patrick McGinnity 182cm 75kg Claremont/ WA
Hard running midfielder who had an extremely successful U/18 carnival. Played as a defensive midfielder in the Kane Cornes mould at carnival and I could see him playing a similar role at AFL level. Will be given plenty of time to develop as a bloke named Judd has gone to the club. Good honest footballer.
37. Kangaroos- Jared Boumann 196cm 87kg Dandenong
Athletic tall who played second, third, fourth and fifth banana to Simpson, Grant, Gaertner and Gabriel this year. However he has the right size and shape to be a key position player at AFL level. His strengths are his hands and his athleticism- like many of his height he will need to continue to build up his body.
38. Adelaide- Luke Sampey 191cm 91kg East Perth/ WA
Strong tall who can lead and mark well. My question mark is whether he has the agility and endurance to play anywhere else at AFL level however he suits Adelaide’s needs and he is very good at what he does.
39. Essendon-Darcy Daniher 192cm 89kg Calder Cannons
No Tomahawk but the Bombers have done ok out of this selection. Daniher is tall enough and athletic enough to play as a KP player at AFL level. Still not sure where his best position is as he was played all over the shop this year but I suspect the Bombers will be hoping that he develops into a reliable backman.
40. Fremantle- Steven Browne 181cm 74kg West Perth/ WA
Good allround footballer who may be better than pick 40. Capable of playing as a small back and will provide run and carry. I also thought he was very good one on one during the carnival and seems to do the 1%’s very well.
41. Brisbane- Sam Reid 185cm 75kg Queensland
Strong bodied onballer/ utility who seems to divide opinion a little. He can win the footy and works very hard throughout the game. However, I think he lacks a touch of class which separates the good onball prospects with the elite. Has the body and attitude which will give him every chance at creating a solid AFL career.
42. St Kilda- Hugh Sandilands 191cm 82kg Oakleigh Chargers
Tall, athlete who can do a lot of things on the footy field and can be very exciting. He will need to be stronger at the ball and take his turn to protect a teammate. Sandilands has a lot of upside and if a club can work on his weaknesses he could be a very good AFL footballer playing as a third tall or even a tallish midfield. His weaknesses do worry me a bit though!
43. Western Bulldogs- Jackson Hall 187cm 76kg Gippsland Power
Jackson is a tall flanker/ winger type who does a lot of things well. He is a good enough kick, can mark and runs well. I think Hall has a significant amount of development to go and will need time. I thought he was one of the few players who had a real dip when things were going belly up near the end of the year.
44. Geelong- Chris Kangars 193cm 84kg Geelong Falcons
An athlete first and a footballer second. Kangars has definitely improved during the 2007 season. He still has a long way to go with his kicking and decision making needing particular attention however he has the size and shape that is required with outstanding athleticism from this former runner. Will be given an opportunity as Scarlett’s apprentice.
45. Hawthorn- Lachie Hill 189cm 83kg Oakleigh Chargers
Another athlete who is improving as a footballer. Hill is fast and extremely agile. His kicking is a touch dodgy but has improved through the year. I watched Hill play one game against a weakened knights side which made me believe that a side will take a chance with this kid. Will give Hawthorn some nice outside speed.
46. Carlton- Luke Stanton 191cm 79kg Northern Knights
Stanton looks like an AFL footballer however only started playing like one towards the end of the year. Stanton is a bottom aged tall, strong midfielder/ utility who likes to utilise his athletic advantage. He struggles to win his own ball and his kicking will need to improve at the next level however he is well worth the risk with this pick.
47. Collingwood- Travis Dulic 192cm 90kg Calder Cannons
Key position back who started the year and ended the year very well- was pretty ordinary in the middle. Dulic’s strengths are his kicking which is long, strong and accurate and he provides run from the backline to create attack. He will need to play tighter at higher levels as he is prone to sag off opponents. Beat Bongetti and McEvoy in the last couple of weeks of the season and I think that may get him over the line.
48. Western Bulldogs- Dan McKenna 194cm 82kg Gippsland Power
Mobile tall who didn’t really develop as the year progressed. He is a decent mark and covers the ground okay but I don’t think he has enough silk to cut it as an AFL forward. My money would be on him being a tall defender who may be able to free up Everitt or Williams to be more attacking.
49. Port Adelaide- Joel Smouha 196cm 80kg Queensland
Super tall athlete who just needs to be taught how to play footy. Tested extremely well at DC and I think that will get him over the line in a shallow draft. Port would be ideal as they seem to do very well with player development and he could learn some tricks from Lade, Tredrea and Brogan. Can see him being a mobile ruckman/follower or eventually replace Thurstans down back. Will need time.
50. Geelong- Jeremy Laidler 188cm 82kg Calder Cannons
Medium sized tweener sized players who arent super quick are not normally coveted however I think this bloke is an exception. Able to play forward or back, possesses very good hands and is a very good left foot kick. I think Laidler will eventually be a Milburn type of player who plays that 4th backman role. Laidler is very strong one on one and doesn’t like being beaten.
51. Richmond- Dale Walker 187cm 80kg Eastern Ranges
Tallish utility who has a great burst of speed combined with good endurance. Walker is also more than competent in the air and is suited to the hard running game that the AFL has become. However he will need to continue to work on his kicking which can be awkward at times. Would also like to see Walker be a little more consistent during games as he has a tendency to float in and out of games. Bottom aged player who should develop further.
52. Brisbane- Thomas Rockliff 180cm 78kg Murray Bushrangers
Bottom aged player who made a huge impact in the TAC Cup this year. Played mainly as a dangerous floating small forward he is able to kick goals by the bagful. Rockliff is very good in the air and can also get his goals front and square there seems to be a lot to work with. Reminds me a lot of Robbie Gray and could be very dangerous in a forward line with the Brown Dog, Bradshaw, Clark and Hooper.
53. Melbourne- Mitchell Farmer 179cm 76kg Calder Cannons
Small forward/ defender who is athletic and hard at the contest. One of the few Metro players who enhanced his reputation after the U/18 carnival. Farmer will be a small defender at AFL level where he will utilise his strength and run. His kicking and decision making needs further attention but he has self confidence and flair which I think might get him drafted.
54. West Coast- Jaryn Jackey 180cm 71kg Subiaco/ WA
Small utility who provides run and attack. He hits contests at full speed and impressed with tackling at U/18 carnival. Would provide option of small defender/ midfielder at AFL level and seems suited to Subiaco.
55. Essendon- Tom Bellchambers 199cm 91kg Tasmania
Developing tall who strengths is actual ruckwork. Doesn’t often get a lot of the ball around the ground and his athleticism is going to have to improve to compete with AFL bigboys. However Essendon need a ruckman and bellchambers would be given a chance this late in proceedings.
56. Fremantle- Kepler Bradley- 198cm 98kg Essendon
If Big Kep is going to make it as an AFL footballer I think he will need to play a majority of his games at Subiaco where his endurance running can be utilised. Only AFL position I can see is as a hard leading half forward but the Dockers have Tarrant and Pavlich already. Still think they will take him here.
57. Brisbane-James Mulligan 201cm 96kg Queensland
Tall and athletic but this bloke has a long way to go. However Brisbane have lost Wood, have Charman and Leuenberger and can probably put the time into developing their 4th string ruckman. Had a disappointing National Championships.
58. St Kilda- Will Sullivan 202cm 95kg Western Jets
Big and strong ruckman who is at his best when competing in the ruck. Doesn’t do enough around the ground at present but is athletic and enjoys the physical contest. Would be worth developing while King and Gardiner both try and get their bodies and find their best form in 2008.
59. Adelaide- Taylor Walker 188cm 81kg NSW (Scholarship)
Mobile 3rd tall who is very strong in the air and is a beautiful accurate kick for goal. Walker also attacks the contests strongly and played some standout games this year. Physically mature, he may be around the mark in the second half of the year.
60. Sydney- Guy O’Keefe 184cm 76kg Geelong Falcons
Quick, busy midfielder who is possesses a strong kick. Also capable of kicking bags of goals and shows more than a touch of class. Will need to build his body further but could provide a bit of flair to a dour midfield.
61. Hawthorn- David Zaharakis 180cm 70kg Northern Knights
Very explosive small who will take opponents on at every opportunity. Will need to work on his kicking which can be hit and miss and he will need to learn to win more of his own ball at his size. However Zaharakis is bottom aged and a good chance to develop into a zippy midfielder/ small utility which is what the Hawks could do with.
62. Geelong- Adam Donahue 182cm 82kg Geelong Falcons
A bit surprised they took Donahue but the Cats have reaped a rich father son harvest. Donahue is predominantly a small back who provides run and some carry. He is a competent user of the ball and strong at the contest. A fair replacement for Tim Callan.
63. Collingwood- Haelen Kay 186cm 75kg Gippsland Power
Tallish onballer who can provide run and carry. A little inconsistent with his play at present but when playing well is pretty impressive. Will need to get stronger as doesn’t enjoy tight physical contact at present but has plenty of development in him. I could see Collingwood’s excellent development program benefiting him enormously.
64. Kangaroos- James Polkinghorne 181cm 82kg Calder Cannons
Started the year on fire and ended it pretty well. A hard player to categorise because he can do a lot of things pretty well. I see him being a small defender as he is very good in the air and is quite quick of the mark.
65. Port Adelaide- Joey Daye 194cm 79kg Queensland
Athletic tall who has AFL size and shape. Still needs a LOT of polish however this late in the draft he would be a chance to be taken.
66. Western Bulldogs- Pass
67. Richmond- Trent Zomer 194cm 94kg Eastern Ranges
Raw, athletic key position player who still has plenty to learn but has the tools required. Played mainly at CHB where he looked good when he ran forward and created play. Would like him to sharpen his kicking skills and he needs to be cleaner below his knees.
68. Carlton- Glenn Chivers 189cm 85kg Oakleigh Chargers
Came into the Chargers side after playing well for St Kevins in the Private School competition. Has not played a lot of high grade footy due to rowing commitments but has the athleticism clubs are looking to develop. Rowan Welsh is at Carlton now and I am guessing he may push for this bloke.
69. Melbourne- Stefan Martin 197cm 90kg Sandringham VFL
Tall and athletic- Martin is another late entrant into elite football. Played some okay games for sandy and still has a heap of development in him. I see him playing more as a tall forward and Dean Bailey has a reputation for developing talented athletes. Martin is a slab of rock- what can you turn him into Dean?
Father Son selection
Collingwood- Jaxson Barham 181cm 74kg Geelong Falcons
Quick midfielder who had a good year for the Geelong Falcons. Has developed noticeably over the course of the season and the Magpies would be backing themselves in to turn this speedster into an AFL player.
NSW Scholarship.
Sydney- Craig Bird 178cm 76kg NSW
Bird is a solid, gritty in and under midfielder who has been training with the Swans for most of the year. Had a solid year for NSW and will be a solid AFL player who will be more foot soldier than superstar. Plays similarly to Jude Bolton and the Swans looked to trade Bolton. Hmmmmmm……… Physically ready to play next year- have him in your dreamteam!
sinepari
26 Oct 2007, 22:38
Great work mate but just one thing I picked up in 1 quick look over it.
I doubt wce would take Pears and Collier when we have spangher and Schofield who play similar roles. We're desperate for some runners.
Lynch takes a mark
26 Oct 2007, 22:45
Great work mate but just one thing I picked up in 1 quick look over it.
I doubt wce would take Pears and Collier when we have spangher and Schofield who play similar roles. We're desperate for some runners.
best defence in the history of the competition
no possible way we would pass them up if they are available
Kennedy, Masten, McEvoy, Pears, Bellchambers & Collier - awesome draft, far more value to a team than Judd & Morton
Great work mate but just one thing I picked up in 1 quick look over it.
I doubt wce would take Pears and Collier when we have spangher and Schofield who play similar roles. We're desperate for some runners.
I actually think Collier is a runner in a tall's body. I envisage him playing midfield at AFL level.
mojon95
26 Oct 2007, 22:52
I actually think Collier is a runner in a tall's body. I envisage him playing midfield at AFL level.
i'm telling you know, Ebert will not go all the way to 10:thumbsd:, Rance will be picked earlier than Henderson ;):cool:
SS_Fury
26 Oct 2007, 22:53
Wether the draft falls that way or not, you have put alot of effort in, good job mate! :thumbsu:
its game on
26 Oct 2007, 23:13
Wether the draft falls that way or not, you have put alot of effort in, good job mate! :thumbsu:
Very well done!
No Hockey or Normington?
Fantastic effort there Foj1.
My only comment would be Farmer @ #53. IMHO, there is no way he'll last anywhere near that far.
Great read though.
James_37
26 Oct 2007, 23:25
Hope Ebert falls to #10, however this would probably mean we would miss out on one of Rioli, Vezpremi or Maric, who I really think are our highest priority this draft. Also think if the crows get the chance with 27 or 30 they will pick up Greenwood.
Other thing, Walker is a NSW Scholarship player, will be picked up with our #75, 59 will be used on another player. Like the look of a few of the talls, although we will definitely not draft more than 2, already have a few developing, we need pace through the midfield and desperately need a crumbing small forward.
Great effort Foj :thumbsu:
Interested to see you had us taking Myers in front of Palmer . I really could see us pasing up Palmer given our midfield really lacks a bit of wow factor.
Not that i dont rate Myers as his kicking is extremly good and his pace is pretty good.
Anyway it is a zillion times better than my effort (which will be zero )simply becasue i havnt got time to look at other clubs lists and put together something that suits there needs in the first two rounds.:)
Good to see the phantom drafts that people put some time and effort into giving reasons behind the decisions :thumbsu:
Good work mate, but not happy with the Carlton selections. Carlton will draft the best KPP forward with pick 36 and with pick 46 Marlon Motlop or Clayton Collard.
Lynch takes a mark
26 Oct 2007, 23:52
Good work mate, but not happy with the Carlton selections. Carlton will draft the best KPP forward with pick 36 and with pick 46 Marlon Motlop or Clayton Collard.
the strike rate of a midfielder in the 30's is far higher than that of a KPP, especially in a draft without a lot of depth.
Ryder Is God
26 Oct 2007, 23:57
Great work Foj1, but I just can't see us taking Myers over Palmer :o
Gilly1972
27 Oct 2007, 00:00
Good work mate, but not happy with the Carlton selections. Carlton will draft the best KPP forward with pick 36 and with pick 46 Marlon Motlop or Clayton Collard.
I've never read a bigger load of garbage :rolleyes:
Reg Hickey
27 Oct 2007, 00:22
Good work buddy. I'd be surprised if the Cats took Ward at #17 with Pears and a couple of other top quality talls still on the table though.
TheGeneral
27 Oct 2007, 01:10
36. Carlton- Patrick McGinnity 182cm 75kg Claremont/ WA
Hard running midfielder who had an extremely successful U/18 carnival. Played as a defensive midfielder in the Kane Cornes mould at carnival and I could see him playing a similar role at AFL level. Will be given plenty of time to develop as a bloke named Judd has gone to the club. Good honest footballer.
46. Carlton- Luke Stanton 191cm 79kg Northern Knights
Stanton looks like an AFL footballer however only started playing like one towards the end of the year. Stanton is a bottom aged tall, strong midfielder/ utility who likes to utilise his athletic advantage. He struggles to win his own ball and his kicking will need to improve at the next level however he is well worth the risk with this pick.
68. Carlton- Glenn Chivers 189cm 85kg Oakleigh Chargers
Came into the Chargers side after playing well for St Kevins in the Private School competition. Has not played a lot of high grade footy due to rowing commitments but has the athleticism clubs are looking to develop. Rowan Welsh is at Carlton now and I am guessing he may push for this bloke.
Good read. :thumbsu:
McGinnity and Stanton would do me if they have the right work ethic.
When did Rohan Welsh join Carlton? :confused:
I doubt we will use pick 62 unless we delist another player.
Great name, but Chivers sounds like a tweener at 189 cms.
Good work mate, but not happy with the Carlton selections. Carlton will draft the best KPP forward with pick 36 and with pick 46 Marlon Motlop or Clayton Collard.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Gilly1972
27 Oct 2007, 01:27
Doubt we will use #68, and I don't think Chivers will be on our radar at 189cm, we already have enough defenders to mind the third tall types.
TheGeneral
27 Oct 2007, 01:39
Doubt we will use #68, and I don't think Chivers will be on our radar at 189cm, we already have enough defenders to mind the third tall types.
Gilly, what is your opinion on Sampey and Sam Reid?
MattDEEmon
27 Oct 2007, 04:06
gets Melbournes tick of approval :thumbsu:
dominguez
27 Oct 2007, 05:53
Great work Foj1, but I just can't see us taking Myers over Palmer :o
We're praying that you do.
vinnie_vegas69
27 Oct 2007, 10:27
Can't believe nobody's commented, but West Coast will not take anyone ahead of Cotchin, regardless of whether he "wants" to play there or not.
sydney eagle
27 Oct 2007, 10:53
Can't believe nobody's commented, but West Coast will not take anyone ahead of Cotchin, regardless of whether he "wants" to play there or not. I also think that they'll take another midfielder (such as Selwood) early if he is available. Eagles have lost their two best midfielders, they'll need to get replacements for those positions rather than more talls. They drafted taller players last season.
Good work mate, but not happy with the Carlton selections. Carlton will draft the best KPP forward with pick 36 and with pick 46 Marlon Motlop or Clayton Collard.
How the crap do you know?
Can't believe nobody's commented, but West Coast will not take anyone ahead of Cotchin, regardless of whether he "wants" to play there or not.
Agreed. We seem pretty dead set on Cotchin.
I can't see Scott Selwood lasting as long as predicted either.
Not a bad shot though :thumbsu:
vinnie_vegas69
27 Oct 2007, 11:51
Oh, also - Like it for Collingwood.
Not sure I rate DeBoer that highly, but I'm not going to quibble over difference in opinion. I'd hope that we rescue a Greenwood, Reid or Browne from their slide in the event that DeBoer didn't nominate.
Dulic probably isn't the type we'd be looking for if we were to look at a KPB - We'd probably we wanting someone a little bigger. Nevertheless, he's a good get at the spot.
Likewise with Haelan Kay - If we got him there I'd be quite happy. Good potential and goes about the game well.
Gilly, what is your opinion on Sampey and Sam Reid?
Oh god! :eek:
Sit back and grab a cuppa, it could go on for a while.
Gilly1972
27 Oct 2007, 12:04
Oh god! :eek:
Sit back and grab a cuppa, it could go on for a while.
:rolleyes:
Yeah he played a couple of good games early on in the year ;) Goes alright.....just a shame we didn't get to see him at his best in the champs and then I understand he missed a lot of footy and DC through injury later in the year....could see him slide a bit.
The Royal Sampler
27 Oct 2007, 12:07
Bellchambers at #55! :eek:
It would be a happy club who would take him there.
Good job Foj1, I'm not thrilled from a Pies' perspective, but sometimes that's the way these things go.
sinepari
27 Oct 2007, 12:25
I actually think Collier is a runner in a tall's body. I envisage him playing midfield at AFL level.
So do I. But Schofield already fills that role for us.
TylerDurden
27 Oct 2007, 12:28
Great job mate.
Happy with Cyril :thumbsu:
macca69
27 Oct 2007, 12:28
Rowan Welsh is at Carlton now and I am guessing he may push for this bloke.
When did he acquire a role at Carlton and in what capacity does he work there?
sinepari
27 Oct 2007, 12:31
I also think that they'll take another midfielder (such as Selwood) early if he is available. Eagles have lost their two best midfielders, they'll need to get replacements for those positions rather than more talls. They drafted taller players last season.
I'd much prefer Ward, Dangerfield,Maric and probably McGinnity over Selwood, but I wouldn't be too unhappy if we used 22 on him.
Sherminator.
27 Oct 2007, 12:33
Brisbane did great. Gourdis, Selwood and Reid would be fanatastic. Though I don't think Brisbane would necessarily need another tall forward. The replacement for Bradshaw is Clark, lead up forward is Brennan and CHF is Jonathan Brown. Though if he is best available (Brisbane's draft strategy) at 8, then they'd take him, anyway.
I'd love another Selwood at Brisbane and Reid's disposal by hand is sublime.
vinnie_vegas69
27 Oct 2007, 13:30
I'd much prefer Ward, Dangerfield,Maric and probably McGinnity over Selwood, but I wouldn't be too unhappy if we used 22 on him.
I'm with you on two of those, and miles away on the other two.
joefootylover
27 Oct 2007, 13:40
What specific problems do you see with Dangerfeild Vinnie?
BigCat2
27 Oct 2007, 14:25
Great effort, although if by some chance Brad Ebert is still available at pick 8I would be very surprised if we pass on him. We have a lot of depth in our forward & back talls, but our best midfielders apart from Adcock are all aging, so we definitely need some help there.
Leigh has come out and said we'll be looking for the best available midfielder, someone like a "Michael Voss clone", and Ebert is probably the closest you're going to get in this year's draft IMO. Plus Voss when working for the AIS has given big wraps on Brad Ebert, and that seals it for me.
In all likelihood he'll be gone by pick 8 though.
Nice work foj1.
Just a couple of things.
While i don't think we should take Myers, i wouldn't be too disappointed if we did but anyway we have discussed that topic enough already and you know my thoughts on that.:D
Maric?
I find this one an interesting selection by you for Essendon.
I think we are in a position where if we are going to pick Mids, we need ones that are almost guaranteed to be able to play there.
Whether they make it or not of course is another matter.
I like Maric and believe he has a good chance to be a very good AFL footballer, i'm not sure he is the right choice for us considering where our deficiencies are.
Very good work mate and you have put a lot of work into that...Well Done :thumbsu:
WC will take Cotchin over Masten.
Snoop Dog
27 Oct 2007, 15:35
good read Foj1 and think you are one of the best on the vic lads so good to see some interesting names, thought you may have had Chivers a bit higher.
vinnie_vegas69
27 Oct 2007, 15:39
What specific problems do you see with Dangerfeild Vinnie?
Just not a particular fan - I think he's vanilla in terms of pace, skill and overhead. I see him as a defender that doesn't play as tall as he is, without the long-term midfield potential that others see.
Obviously I seem to be alone on this one, but I'm just not a fan of him.
But, as I've said in the past, all that means is that Collingwood will probably draft him, and he'll turn out awesome.
Streaker
27 Oct 2007, 16:04
I'd be very happy with Cotchin, McEvoy, Maric and Selwood for West Coast and going by your phantom draft they'd be available, but I doubt they would be.
Gilly1972
27 Oct 2007, 18:56
Just not a particular fan - I think he's vanilla in terms of pace, skill and overhead. I see him as a defender that doesn't play as tall as he is, without the long-term midfield potential that others see.
Obviously I seem to be alone on this one, but I'm just not a fan of him.
But, as I've said in the past, all that means is that Collingwood will probably draft him, and he'll turn out awesome.
Interesting Vinnie, I've often seen him forced to play on taller opponenents and do an admirable job. I would also have thought he's a bit quicker than vanilla. Just out of interest, have you seen him play outside of the champs?
vinnie_vegas69
27 Oct 2007, 20:05
Interesting Vinnie, I've often seen him forced to play on taller opponenents and do an admirable job. I would also have thought he's a bit quicker than vanilla. Just out of interest, have you seen him play outside of the champs?
Yeah - I have.
I'm not completely averse to admitting that I could very possibly be wrong about him, but I just don't personally rate him quite as highly as others seem to - Everybody's got the ones they like and the ones they don't, and I'm just not entirely sure about Dangerfield.
Nice work foj1.
Just a couple of things.
While i don't think we should take Myers, i wouldn't be too disappointed if we did but anyway we have discussed that topic enough already and you know my thoughts on that.:D
Maric?
I find this one an interesting selection by you for Essendon.
I think we are in a position where if we are going to pick Mids, we need ones that are almost guaranteed to be able to play there.
Whether they make it or not of course is another matter.
I like Maric and believe he has a good chance to be a very good AFL footballer, i'm not sure he is the right choice for us considering where our deficiencies are.
Very good work mate and you have put a lot of work into that...Well Done :thumbsu:
I think Essendon will focus on blokes who can kick the footy more than anything else. Knights has kept Lonergan, Dyson, Lovett and co so it would make no sense not to play them. Myers will be a very good player and can seriously kick the ball and Maric is also an exceptional kick and I believe can develop a motor. I think there is a lot of upside to Maric because he has played about 10 games of TAC footy( most as a 16 year old) and played private school footy for PEGS where he could get away with bad habits. Yet he still performed well for Vic Metro with a busted shoulder. To me that represents terrific value. I would love Ward or Dangerfield at 23 but just cant see it. They are too good in my opinion.
Yeah - I have.
I'm not completely averse to admitting that I could very possibly be wrong about him, but I just don't personally rate him quite as highly as others seem to - Everybody's got the ones they like and the ones they don't, and I'm just not entirely sure about Dangerfield.
I love Dangerfield. He has an acceleration which gets him out of difficult situations. He is also bottom age and looks like he will have a superb build when he fills out. He had a great tour of SA which says to me that he is comfortable in elite company. I know him and Ward may be rated too high by some but they both have that x factor- Dangerfield atleticism and Ward superb disposal. I loved Boak last year but still put him in the mid 20's- was not going to make that mistake again.
So do I. But Schofield already fills that role for us.
fair enough.
Brisbane did great. Gourdis, Selwood and Reid would be fanatastic. Though I don't think Brisbane would necessarily need another tall forward. The replacement for Bradshaw is Clark, lead up forward is Brennan and CHF is Jonathan Brown. Though if he is best available (Brisbane's draft strategy) at 8, then they'd take him, anyway.
I'd love another Selwood at Brisbane and Reid's disposal by hand is sublime.
Gourdis would be a fair step up on Brennan as well I reckon.
WC will take Cotchin over Masten.
Not so sure about that one. You have lost two established midfielders. Masten is very good player who in effect on the game is on par with Cotchin. Cotchin may have more development in him but there is a question mark there and I dont believe he is another Judd. I just wouldnt be surprised if WC took a gun player who happens to be a local boy. I am sure it wont enter the equation BUT Masten will help more sooner and Cotchin is no gaurantee to stay long term. WC are usually very clever and draft Vic Country boys I reckon. Only a theory and you wouldnt lose with either bloke.
good read Foj1 and think you are one of the best on the vic lads so good to see some interesting names, thought you may have had Chivers a bit higher.
Yeah, I really like Chivers, I watched him at St Kevs when he wasnt at Oakleigh and thought he had a lot going for him. I just think he is in the same boat as Kangars, Hill, Stanton, Sandilands etc More athletes than pure footballers at the moment. The best recruiters should be judged on who they snag after round 2 in this draft because it really is a raffle I think.
I personally would take Chivers in front of blokes like Farmer, Reid, Greenwood, Arrowsmith etc but I dont think AFL clubs will go that way.
My understanding is Welsh will be doing a bit of work for Carlton but I may be wrong. He does have connections still down there and apparently sent a DVD of Robbie Gray to Hughes- it didnt work:(
Good work buddy. I'd be surprised if the Cats took Ward at #17 with Pears and a couple of other top quality talls still on the table though.
I would be very happy to get Callan Ward to my footy club. I believe Kangars and Laidler would give you a bit of height.
Agreed. We seem pretty dead set on Cotchin.
I can't see Scott Selwood lasting as long as predicted either.
Not a bad shot though :thumbsu:
I actually think Scott Selwood is a touch overrated on these boards. He is a half back who can through the middle for a spell. Nowhere near as good as Joel at Junior level yet people seem to think he is a first rounder. He may well be but I think he is more like the twins who went in the third round from memory.
Bellchambers at #55! :eek:
It would be a happy club who would take him there.
Good job Foj1, I'm not thrilled from a Pies' perspective, but sometimes that's the way these things go.
Bellchambers is athletically a fair way off the pace and would take a significant amount of time to build an engine. He then needs to do more than show good tap work. Kruezer, McEvoy, Dawson and distance for me in the ruckmans stakes. I see Putt as more of a forward than a ruckman though that probably describes McEvoy as well.
sinepari
27 Oct 2007, 22:46
I would be very happy to get Callan Ward to my footy club. I believe Kangars and Laidler would give you a bit of height.
Me too. In fact it would make my year, football wise.
Oh, also - Like it for Collingwood.
Not sure I rate DeBoer that highly, but I'm not going to quibble over difference in opinion. I'd hope that we rescue a Greenwood, Reid or Browne from their slide in the event that DeBoer didn't nominate.
Dulic probably isn't the type we'd be looking for if we were to look at a KPB - We'd probably we wanting someone a little bigger. Nevertheless, he's a good get at the spot.
Likewise with Haelan Kay - If we got him there I'd be quite happy. Good potential and goes about the game well.
De Boer really stood out for me when i rewatched some Nationals. Has upside being bottom age and you really seem to develop your kids well. Dulic severely broke his ankle as a 16 year old which has impeded his progress. Again I think he would thrive at the Lexus centre in a professional environment. Collingwood's biggest draft coup was getting Wood with Pick 14. In this draft Wood would be top 6 no sweat.
Very well done!
No Hockey or Normington?
Both were in the next dozen. Hockey could easily replace Farmer, Polkinghorne or Rockliff.
Normington disappointed me this year. I know he had injuries but I would have like him to do more as a top age. he is the type a club will probably snare though. walker from the Bushies is one who might pop up especially Rookie calculations.
Fantastic effort there Foj1.
My only comment would be Farmer @ #53. IMHO, there is no way he'll last anywhere near that far.
Great read though.
I chuckled when I saw you post this because I knew you would pick me up on this one. I am not convinced with young Mitchell. He is 179cm, quick but physically very developed and born in January. He had physical maturity over most boys in the TAC. I also dont like his kicking action. At AFL level I can only see him playing a Jake King role but I think he may turn the ball over too much. That my take on Farmer anyway.:)
Great effort Foj :thumbsu:
Interested to see you had us taking Myers in front of Palmer . I really could see us pasing up Palmer given our midfield really lacks a bit of wow factor.
Not that i dont rate Myers as his kicking is extremly good and his pace is pretty good.
Anyway it is a zillion times better than my effort (which will be zero )simply becasue i havnt got time to look at other clubs lists and put together something that suits there needs in the first two rounds.:)
Good to see the phantom drafts that people put some time and effort into giving reasons behind the decisions :thumbsu:
Yeah I knew the Myers call and the Masten call were two that would raise eyebrows. Knights has stated that we need to dispose of the ball better and this guy would help that situation. Palmer is an exciting prospect but we do have Lovett, Winderlich and Jetta who have a bit of WOW. Palmers strength to me is he can run all day. But I would be very comfortable if we took Myers.
TheGeneral
27 Oct 2007, 23:44
My understanding is Welsh will be doing a bit of work for Carlton but I may be wrong.
Thanks.
He does have connections still down there and apparently sent a DVD of Robbie Gray to Hughes- it didnt work:(
Clinton Benjamin. :)
MickyCrow
28 Oct 2007, 04:55
10. Adelaide- Brad Ebert 187cm 86kg Port Magpies/ SA
27. Adelaide- Andy Otten- 192cm 86kg Oakleigh Chargers
30. Adelaide- James Wundke 196cm 87kg North Adelaide/ SA
38. Adelaide- Luke Sampey 191cm 91kg East Perth/ WA
59. Adelaide- Taylor Walker 188cm 81kg NSW (Scholarship)
Would be extremely happy with this, however the only change I would make is Walker is already booked in at 75, so I would hope we redraft Darren Pfieffer with 59, or draft another local mid like John McDOnald
All in all an excellent job well done mate
Edit: And Walker is now 191/192 and 87kgs, so I would have him as a genuine FF, rather than a 3rd Tall Forward
GoldenboyHird_5
28 Oct 2007, 13:42
Absolute champion Foj1 you are, star!
I've read your wok in the Phantom Draft and saw your raving reports on Ebert?
Perhaps a change of heart maybe?
Could you tell me what Dangerfield/Reid/Selwood/Ward/Pears/Maric would add to our Essendon list?
Through all reports, all seem very exciting prospects in the second round
Thanks mate
Tommyneu
28 Oct 2007, 14:03
Awesome Foj :thumbsu: Do you think Masten is on par with Cotchin? If they can't be seperated as far as ability goes surely WCE will take Masten. Also we saw with J. Selwood last year, who was touted as top 4 before he got injured...he slipped to 7. Do you think Cotchin's injury will scare off the Richmond and WCE if he is on par with others who are healthy?
sinepari
28 Oct 2007, 14:09
Awesome Foj :thumbsu: Do you think Masten is on par with Cotchin? If they can't be seperated as far as ability goes surely WCE will take Masten. Also we saw with J. Selwood last year, who was touted as top 4 before he got injured...he slipped to 7. Do you think Cotchin's injury will scare off the Richmond and WCE if he is on par with others who are healthy?
Selwood missed way more footy. Furthermore, last year had exceptional talls, hence the hesitation in picking a potentially injury prone small.
Cotchins injury will have no bearings on where he is taken.
Tommyneu
28 Oct 2007, 14:13
Selwood missed way more footy. Furthermore, last year had exceptional talls, hence the hesitation in picking a potentially injury prone small.
Cotchins injury will have no bearings on where he is taken.
You say this as if it's set in stone.:rolleyes:
vinnie_vegas69
28 Oct 2007, 14:15
hence the hesitation in picking a potentially injury prone small.
Yeah, and people are very quick to write off passing on Selwood as a mistake, too, but the reality is that the clubs who looked over him were under the impression that his knees may have a degenerative condition.
It's too early in the piece to suggest that it was a wrong decision anyway - If his knees are shot by 25, while the other guys are still running around healthy, then it won't have been the wrong move to pass.
Tommyneu
28 Oct 2007, 14:21
Just remembered Masten has O.P. :eek:
sinepari
28 Oct 2007, 14:25
You say this as if it's set in stone.:rolleyes:
No I didn't.
Where he is taken will depend on how each club rates him, combined with their needs.
His injury is not a long-term problem. It won't impact where he is taken.
My opinion. Doesn't require a sarcastic, eye rolling emoticon.
Tommyneu
28 Oct 2007, 14:51
No I didn't.
Where he is taken will depend on how each club rates him, combined with their needs.
His injury is not a long-term problem. It won't impact where he is taken.
My opinion. Doesn't require a sarcastic, eye rolling emoticon.
There we go, now it's a lot clearer. Chill out, I wasn't having a crack at you...just querying whether or not you had some inside info that you wished to share.
saladin
28 Oct 2007, 15:27
awesome amount of effort there, foj. well done. i disagree on essendon taking myers before palmer/ebert (we need a pure mid, not another HBF type - etc, but that's just an opinion.
sinepari
28 Oct 2007, 17:34
There we go, now it's a lot clearer. Chill out, I wasn't having a crack at you...just querying whether or not you had some inside info that you wished to share.
No problem but you have a strange way of questioning.
bombersno1
28 Oct 2007, 18:00
If we take Myers before Palmer or Ebert I'll shoot someone, shocking decision. Not what we need. We need in and under mids or a high quality midfielder RIGHT NOW. Not someone who may or maynot be a midfielder!
sinepari
28 Oct 2007, 18:04
If we take Myers before Palmer or Ebert I'll shoot someone, shocking decision. Not what we need. We need in and under mids or a high quality midfielder RIGHT NOW. Not someone who may or maynot be a midfielder!
How much of Myers have you seen?
bombersno1
28 Oct 2007, 18:18
How much of Myers have you seen?
Enough to make a comment on him. Would rather Palmer or Ebert. Hell I would rather take Alex Rance ahead of Myers, honestly I just have a LOT of questions on his ability to permanently move into the midfield and if that is a question, then I am not picking him up. Rather Palmer or Ebert or a ready made FB in Rance.
Absolute champion Foj1 you are, star!
I've read your wok in the Phantom Draft and saw your raving reports on Ebert?
Perhaps a change of heart maybe?
Could you tell me what Dangerfield/Reid/Selwood/Ward/Pears/Maric would add to our Essendon list?
Through all reports, all seem very exciting prospects in the second round
Thanks mate
This is how I think clubs will go not what I would do in relation to Ebert.
Ward would give us superb skill, Dangerfield speed and outstanding athleticism, Maric great kicking and goal sense, Pears athleticism, Reid I am not a big fan of to be truthful and I think we have enough Selwood types though he is a hard at it onball/half back type.
Awesome Foj :thumbsu: Do you think Masten is on par with Cotchin? If they can't be seperated as far as ability goes surely WCE will take Masten. Also we saw with J. Selwood last year, who was touted as top 4 before he got injured...he slipped to 7. Do you think Cotchin's injury will scare off the Richmond and WCE if he is on par with others who are healthy?
Right now Masten might be on par with Cotchin though Cotchin would have a bit more development in him. I just think Masten would fit into the Eagles really well. You would not complain if you got either players to be truthful.
Selwood missed way more footy. Furthermore, last year had exceptional talls, hence the hesitation in picking a potentially injury prone small.
Cotchins injury will have no bearings on where he is taken.
There is not the depth last year. Clubs who passed on Selwood took players including Gibbs, Gumby, Hansen, Leuenberger, Boakand Thorpe. All very good selections I would have thought.
Cotchin is bottom age so Masten is almost a year older. Cotchin has a dynamic ability and is deceptively quick.
Dixie Flatline
29 Oct 2007, 18:22
Thanks foj1.
Reasonably happy with Junior at #12, but I've not heard of Toby Thoolan before. Anyone care to provide a more in-depth profile?
You also have Hawthorn picking up players with questionable or average footskills (according to your snapshots) with our third round pick (Lachie Hill) and fourth round pick (David Zaharakis). Clarkson has emphasised good footskills amongst our recruits, so I wouldn't be too sure that Hawthorn would pick up two players with average skills by foot.
foj, After listening to Dodoro talking on Bomber TV today i'm starting to think you might be right about Myers.
He was trying to let everyone know how apart from Gumby last year we picked 5 potential mids and with Knighter talking about a tallish running defender and an emphasis on skill, i think you could be on the money with Myers.
Have you seen the interview yet?
sinepari
29 Oct 2007, 18:49
Myers is worth every bit of a top 6 selection. It would be a top choice.
Myers is worth every bit of a top 6 selection. It would be a top choice.
Yeah i have no problems with Myers and think he could be a very good player BUT i am just not sure he is exactly what we need atm.
I would prefer Palmer or Masten but at the end of the day the recruiters have seen a lot more of the guys than i have, so i will be happy with who they pick.
You certainly think very highly of him don't you?
sinepari
29 Oct 2007, 19:02
You certainly think very highly of him don't you?
I think it could be love :D
How is Myers defensively? Would he be able to handle a Nathan Ablett or would that be to big for him?
As a midfielder how good is he at winning his own football?
sinepari
29 Oct 2007, 20:13
He has played primarily as a defender; his defensive skills are good.
Nathan Ablett - probably but he isn't really tall enough to be playing a KP role. But I guess taking Ablett would be 3rd tall which he could fulfil.
Will play the modern quaterback role before pushing into the middle. He can win his own footy, but there would be better players at doing that (obviously).
Bombers should go:
Myers
Reid
Daniher.
To me that would be good for you guys.
Yeap looks like Myers at pick 6 imo and im very happy about that if it happens. Pick 23 should be a midfielder like Sam Reid, Paddy McGinnity or Patrick Dangerfield. Pick 39 Darcy Dainher and Pick 55 we should go for a developing ruckman. While pick 71 will be used as a psd pick and we might get a player such as Dunn
bombersno1
29 Oct 2007, 23:10
Well I will hope like heck we don't pick Myers. Would much rather Palmer, Ebert, Masten or even Alex Rance before him.
sinepari
30 Oct 2007, 09:19
Well I will hope like heck we don't pick Myers. Would much rather Palmer, Ebert, Masten or even Alex Rance before him.
Seen Myers play?
Thanks foj1.
Reasonably happy with Junior at #12, but I've not heard of Toby Thoolan before. Anyone care to provide a more in-depth profile?
You also have Hawthorn picking up players with questionable or average footskills (according to your snapshots) with our third round pick (Lachie Hill) and fourth round pick (David Zaharakis). Clarkson has emphasised good footskills amongst our recruits, so I wouldn't be too sure that Hawthorn would pick up two players with average skills by foot.
Toby Thoolan is a tall bottom age key position player who has a lot of ability. He has a heap of development in him but I see him as a CHB a few years down the track. Hill and Zaharakis do not have A+ kicking but they are not Gaertner like either. Hill is an outstanding athlete who has a heap of development in him while Zaharakis is a bottom aged speedster who I think will continue to improve. I think they suit your needs and this is the sort of draft where you will be punting- especially late.
Seen Myers play?
I dont think he has mate.
Unfortunately a lot of Essendon supporters think we draft midfielders and we will win. Whereas we need to draft A grade players because we aint got many especially below 30!!!!!!
He has played primarily as a defender; his defensive skills are good.
Nathan Ablett - probably but he isn't really tall enough to be playing a KP role. But I guess taking Ablett would be 3rd tall which he could fulfil.
Will play the modern quaterback role before pushing into the middle. He can win his own footy, but there would be better players at doing that (obviously).
Bombers should go:
Myers
Reid
Daniher.
To me that would be good for you guys.
Sam Reid is overrated in my humble opinion and we have a better version of him in Tommy Hislop and an equal version in Watson. Would love ward, dangerfield or maric with that pick.
sinepari
30 Oct 2007, 10:28
Sam Reid is overrated in my humble opinion and we have a better version of him in Tommy Hislop and an equal version in Watson. Would love ward, dangerfield or maric with that pick.
I was assuming they're all gone. Not unlikely.
bombersno1
30 Oct 2007, 16:46
Seen Myers play?
Yes, and pick6 for a wingman considering where our weaknesses are (we have enough wingers), is way over the top. I would rather a in and under midfielder, or Rance if we have to go for someone different!
sinepari
30 Oct 2007, 16:58
Yes, and pick6 for a wingman considering where our weaknesses are (we have enough wingers), is way over the top. I would rather a in and under midfielder, or Rance if we have to go for someone different!
Wingman - talk about selling him short.
He's particularly versatile & could develop into a number of roles, depending on the needs of a club.
He's close to the classiest kid on offer this year, perhaps just behind Cotchin.
bombersno1
30 Oct 2007, 17:18
could develop into a number of roles, depending on the needs of a club.
And there is the RISK right there. I do not want a risky selection at 6. He also might be a wingman, and we would have wasted a pick when we could have got Palmer! I want a blue chip midfielder like Palmer OR a A grade defender in Alex Rance.
sinepari
30 Oct 2007, 17:45
To me, Myers is anything but a risk. In fact, I'd suggest he's more certain to be blue-chip than most.
bombersno1
30 Oct 2007, 17:54
To me, Myers is anything but a risk. In fact, I'd suggest he's more certain to be blue-chip than most.
But Palmer is more likely to be blue chip and I like players who have a bit of X Factor about them, and Palmer has this!:thumbsu:
sinepari
30 Oct 2007, 17:57
Why is he more likely?
Having seem ALOT of both over the past 2-3 years, I'd probably still be inclined to say Myers.
I really like Palmer and would love him at WC, but BigFooty underestimates Myers WAY too much.
People have seen Palmer in the champs tear it up so they automatically assume he's the better player. Myers has been long destined to become a fantastic AFL footballer and nothing he has done this year suggests otherwise.
thefamilyguy
30 Oct 2007, 18:10
Reading a lot about the championships it seems to me like masten is more an in and under player ( Kerr..) while cotchin is more like a cousins, who can run around packs and get the ball from masten. Obviously this is simplifying it all to very very basic levels, but is that kinda right? If thats the case, i can imagine the eagles taking masten over Cotchin, as we already have a few up and coming runners. Le-cras, McNamara, Selwood, Nickoski, Rosa, Fletcher ect.
Just a feeling I have, along with the fact that he's probably going to be ready to play afl a little bit sooner.
sinepari
30 Oct 2007, 18:14
West Coast will never select a player based on how quickly he will play AFL.
They've stated numerous times before they're more than happy to let players ease into the system over a couple of years. They've also stated how they don't particularly agree with other clubs who play young blokes before they're ready, both physically and mentally.