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Collins-Langford-Ayres
1 Nov 2007, 00:07
Am I right in thinking because we have to use 3 picks in the ND, that means we have no picks in the PSD?
I think the PSD is a great place to pick up players and this year there seems to be a lot there.
Can't believe we didn't drop one mroe off the list and get them trainingwith us again, with the hope of being drafted.
Have I missed something?
who is there to get though, that will be available for our pick? PSD is great for the top 5 teams
philhawk
1 Nov 2007, 00:15
Am I right in thinking because we have to use 3 picks in the ND, that means we have no picks in the PSD?
I think the PSD is a great place to pick up players and this year there seems to be a lot there.
Can't believe we didn't drop one mroe off the list and get them trainingwith us again, with the hope of being drafted.
Have I missed something?
Why draft someone in the PSD just for the sake of drafting them?
The fact that we have Pick 13 in the PSD doesn't bode well for the off-chance that we'd get a half-decent player.
delirious1
1 Nov 2007, 00:16
Pick 12-Stewie Dew:thumbsu:
Splodge15
1 Nov 2007, 00:17
No great loss. PSD are generally a waste of time.
delirious1
1 Nov 2007, 00:19
No great loss. PSD are generally a waste of time.
Guerra+Smith wern't bad pick ups
Hawkamania!
1 Nov 2007, 00:22
We don't have to use all our picks in the draft. If the draft is really as shallow as predicted, maybe the PSD will give us another player for depth.
It depends on who has nominated for each of the drafts. Pelchen would have that info and his track record isn't too bad so far.
RustyHawk
1 Nov 2007, 00:23
There is another LIST LODGEMENT due 16th Nov.
This 1 we had to get down to 35 senior list players and announce with rookies where being upgraded or delisted.
We can still cut a player or players.
We might end up just re-drafting Collins, all pending on his peformance during training I guess!
Splodge15
1 Nov 2007, 01:09
Guerra+Smith wern't bad pick ups
I understand that, but this year we don't have the freedom to fill 5-8 spots on our list as previous years. I love both Smith and Guerra as players, but it is just as possible to get a Cameron Thurley, Lance Picioane or Ty Zantuck if you try too hard to utilise a PSD pick.
We aren't forced to use one, and I think the club will find it more valuable to keep the players we have and use the National Draft.
Collins-Langford-Ayres
1 Nov 2007, 03:20
What about Meyer?
Hawkers Hero
1 Nov 2007, 08:43
Sorry didnt we lose 5 players from our list? By my count Smith, Vanders, Dixon, Thurgood and Little are gone.
With McEntee promoted to the senior list, wouldnt we then have 4 spots available?
That would mean the min 3 picks in the national draft and 1 in the pre season draft.
Was Little rookie listed or have I forgotton someone we promoted?
Kinghts 24
1 Nov 2007, 08:55
The rookie list is fastbecoming a deeper and more productive source of players. The PSD draft is shallow and full of yesterdays hero's.
The rookie list is in effect 'free players' that dont cost draft selections or trades and that source of players can be the difference between being a contender and being a genuine premiership chance.
play2win
1 Nov 2007, 08:57
Sorry didnt we lose 5 players from our list? By my count Smith, Vanders, Dixon, Thurgood and Little are gone.
With McEntee promoted to the senior list, wouldnt we then have 4 spots available?
That would mean the min 3 picks in the national draft and 1 in the pre season draft.
Was Little rookie listed or have I forgotton someone we promoted?
from what i gather from other posters, because dixon was on the veterans list we can only replace him with an extra rookie. so we really only have 4 picks on the senior list, one of which was used on upgrading mcentee
Hawkers Hero
1 Nov 2007, 09:11
Thanks GGallin that was confusing me :thumbsu:
Dixie Flatline
1 Nov 2007, 09:48
Guerra+Smith wern't bad pick ups
Smith was delisted by St Kilda after he suffered a shocking knee injury. Hawthorn took a punt on him when we drafted him that could quite easily have not come off.
HawkFan15
1 Nov 2007, 09:58
I may be wrong. But haven't we delisted 2 players, 3 retired (5 players off our list). 3 National draft selections (12,29,45), 1 rookie elevation, 1 PSD pick. Does that sound right, I'm pretty sure thats the case.
So we do have a PSD pick.
thatswhatimtalkinabout
1 Nov 2007, 10:15
I may be wrong. But haven't we delisted 2 players, 3 retired (5 players off our list). 3 National draft selections (12,29,45), 1 rookie elevation, 1 PSD pick. Does that sound right, I'm pretty sure thats the case.
So we do have a PSD pick.
No, unfortunately or not, we only have Crawf available for the veterans list (which is capped at two). With Dicko retiring and no one else eligble to fill his position that spot on the list must revert to a rookie selection. (I think it may actually be two rookie selections but I don't need to confuse you further).
Guerra+Smith wern't bad pick ups
The difference being that we picked them up with early picks in the PSD. I don't imagine players of that calibre will be around when it gets around to pick 12.
PatientHawk
1 Nov 2007, 13:32
Can you remember the article stating that Hawthorn and the Magpies have permanent scouts in WA. This means unknown talent (to interstate clubs) have slipped through to WA clubs, i guess through the rookie list.
Maybe Bucky has a few in mind.
No, unfortunately or not, we only have Crawf available for the veterans list (which is capped at two). With Dicko retiring and no one else eligble to fill his position that spot on the list must revert to a rookie selection. (I think it may actually be two rookie selections but I don't need to confuse you further).
Was Dicko on our veterans list last season? I thought he was under 30 at the beginning of the season.
bootsie16
1 Nov 2007, 13:43
We don't have to use all our picks in the draft. If the draft is really as shallow as predicted, maybe the PSD will give us another player for depth.
It depends on who has nominated for each of the drafts. Pelchen would have that info and his track record isn't too bad so far.
Each club must use a minimum of three picks in the National Draft. After 3 picks you can pass but not before. Passing on pick 45 to save this for the preseason draft is not an option. The only way we can now participate is to delist another senior player currently on the list at the next list lodgement. With our late pick in the PSD can't see this happening.
Smith was delisted by St Kilda after he suffered a shocking knee injury. Hawthorn took a punt on him when we drafted him that could quite easily have not come off.
Smith was not delisted by St Kilda, we simply offered him more money and he left as an uncontracted player. We had second pick in that year's PSD and after the club before us (I can't remember who) had already pledged their pick we pounced on Smith. He had to sit out the following year because of his knee, but it wasn't that big a risk cause everyone knew he had talent. I'm sure the Saints were upset to lose him.
Dixie Flatline
1 Nov 2007, 17:23
Was Dicko on our veterans list last season? I thought he was under 30 at the beginning of the season.
Dicko was a veteran in 2007. His retirement doesn't make an extra spot available on our primary list.
quiksilver83
1 Nov 2007, 17:31
i hope we get a pick in the PSD, there's a few i reckon could be worthwhile punting on.. johnson, sampi and dew are probably the top three.. whether they'll be around or not by the time we get our pick is another matter.
Hawthorn could still pick up a player delisted by another club if that player nominates for the national draft (like rodan did last year) meaning we would still use our three picks and would likely be able to get a better quality player.
that being said, unless the player was really good why would we bother at a player who for one reason or another is considered not good enough for a team whose list is more than likely not as young & talented as ours.
I hope we don't take a gamble on a McQualter or a Sampi that has failed elsewhere. our recruting (even with late draft picks and rookies) has been outstanding in the last 3 years, the only player i'd consider would be a fully fit and firing Stuey Dew
LuvMyHawks
1 Nov 2007, 18:45
Can you remember the article stating that Hawthorn and the Magpies have permanent scouts in WA. This means unknown talent (to interstate clubs) have slipped through to WA clubs, i guess through the rookie list.
Maybe Bucky has a few in mind.
We also have Graham Wright in Queensland, employed as a talent scout.
mulhollanddrive
1 Nov 2007, 20:19
List of recycled players in the PSD since 2001:
2001
1 - Brett Voss
2 - Chad Rintoul
4 - Simon Eastaugh
6 - Steven Tingay
8 - Matthew Dent (Thanks Schwab and Turnball)
2002
2 - Aaron Lord (From us to Geelong)
4 - Scott Cummings
6 - Tony Lockett
2003
1 - Stephen Powell
3 - Craig Bolton
5 - Guy Rigoni
2004
1 - Jade Rawlings
2 - Nick Stevens
3 - Phil Read
4 - Ben Marsh
5 - Paul Kouloritis
6 - Shane Harvey
11 - Luke Weller
2005
1 - Trent Knobel
2 - Blake Caracella
4 - Lance Piccione
5 - Jarod Schofield
6 - Ty Zantuck
2006
1 - Dylan McCLaren
3 - Brent Guerra
4 - Scott Camporeale
6 - Ben Fixter
7 - Cameron Thurley
10 - Chris Heffernan
2007
1 - Cain Ackland
2 - Mal Michael
6 - Kent Kinsley
7 - Matthew Clarke
8 - Chris Bryan
9 - Cameron Cloke
I say there are 26 players that i would say contributed in some way to their previous club, out of those 26, i say there are 5 that went on to contribute to their next club.
In other news - Non recycled players in the rookie draft since 2001 include:
McClaren (1st time), Trent Hentschell, Brent Moloney, Michael Johnson, Jacob Surjan, Eddie Betts, Matt Thomas, Porplezia,
36 total picks used on recycled players - 5 successes
22 total picks used on non-AFL players - 5 successes
All this using some subjectivity, but as with my post regarding traded players (draft picks win 80% of the time over players), new talent has a better strike rate than recycled in the PSD.
Disclaimer - My biggest bug bear is when people overrate familiar mediocre names because they can't look past whats happening right now.
The Kipster
1 Nov 2007, 20:27
We also have alot of uncontracted players at the end of 08 perhaps this is an indication that we will utilise our finds to keep some players?
Thorgils
2 Nov 2007, 06:31
Excellent info mulhollanddrive you just saved me alot time on research and point taken....... PSD risky at best even with higher picks.
Mitchell Madness
2 Nov 2007, 17:06
from what i gather from other posters, because dixon was on the veterans list we can only replace him with an extra rookie. so we really only have 4 picks on the senior list, one of which was used on upgrading mcentee
I heard that Dicko was on the veteran list, but the club had to pay a high amount inside the cap, as opposed to our other veteran - Crawf, who has the total of his player payment outside. Confusing.