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Then the Demons, and then the Dogs will follow North off into the sunset.
And what if the Saints or Tigers or Hawks have a couple of bad years?
The Blues would have had to merge or relocate last year.
Is this really what the AFL wants?
Vlad needs to be very careful.
The Teflon Dean
1 Nov 2007, 14:18
Then the Demons, and then the Dogs will follow North off into the sunset.
And what if the Saints or Tigers or Hawks have a couple of bad years?
The Blues would have had to merge or relocate last year.
Is this really what the AFL wants?
Vlad needs to be very careful.
More proof that Vlad is bluffing and attempting to extort the NMFC.:thumbsd:
If the CBF dissappears after 2009, then so does Essendon and Collingwoods monopoly on ANZAC Day games.
And what if the Saints or Tigers or Hawks have a couple of bad years?
The Blues would have had to merge or relocate last year.
Is this really what the AFL wants?
Vlad needs to be very careful.
I think we can see what the Tiges are like after a 'couple' of bad years...:rolleyes:
Blues was a one off issue ( major though it was ), so I don't have a problem with that, it's the teams with an ongoing/entrenched reliance on the CBF that have the problems.
Roos, Demons & Bulldogs all have reason to be worried, and I'm sorry to say I think at least 2 of them wont be in Melbourne in 10-20 years.
I think we can see what the Tiges are like after a 'couple' of bad years...:rolleyes:
Blues was a one off issue ( major though it was ), so I don't have a problem with that, it's the teams with an ongoing/entrenched reliance on the CBF that have the problems.
Roos, Demons & Bulldogs all have reason to be worried, and I'm sorry to say I think at least 2 of them wont be in Melbourne in 10-20 years.
Precisely.
I’ve been calling for the AFL dropping the CBF and implement an equal draw for years.
All this would just increase the growth of soccer.
Should my club ever relocate I doubt I would see myself continuing to follow them.
woosh_era
1 Nov 2007, 14:46
Then we end up with 14 teams and 2 full rounds... and a very small fraction of disenchanted Victorians who will get over it. I cant see a problem here.
2 full rounds > all your theories.
The Teflon Dean
1 Nov 2007, 14:49
Then we end up with 14 teams and 2 full rounds... and a very small fraction of disenchanted Victorians who will get over it. I cant see a problem here.
2 full rounds > all your theories.
No West Australian totally lost their original club when they all turncoated and decided to hop off the WAFL and jump on the AFL.
Therefore, you wouldn't have a clue.:thumbsd:
No West Australian totally lost their original club when they all turncoated and decided to hop off the WAFL and jump on the AFL.
Therefore, you wouldn't have a clue.:thumbsd:
Play Nth Melbourne in the VFL then - new AFL club in GC. Problem solved.
AngelEyes
1 Nov 2007, 15:17
CBF is based on a number stringent conditions including: a viable business plan and a belief by the AFL that the funding can help turn the clubs position around. If the AFL can see no improvement in North's future or Melbourne-based business plan then the AFL can still fund the other clubs but not North. Even if they couldn't the AFL writes the rules of who gets it. Its not for everyone - you have to meet conditions and qualify.
Electing to stay in Melbourne and loose money is not a viable business plan. A viable business plan involves many stratergies like Port are implementing to get more popularity and members in SA (and hence turn their long term future brighter) - they put their CBF money to good use. Using it to stay afloat and not progress any further is not what the AFL intended the money to be used for. If they were using it to invest in non-football areas too this would likely be acceptable but they have failed in this too.
The AFL can still fund other teams - I would argue the Bulldogs are making alot of good efforts to become more financially stable and efforts to get more support. The Bulldogs give away 8,000 free 3-game memberships away per year to Victoria University students - a good step. Melbourne are somewhat shaky and are like North but the fact they are Melbourne probably gives them a couple of gold stars.
The Teflon Dean
1 Nov 2007, 15:18
Play Nth Melbourne in the VFL then - new AFL club in GC. Problem solved.
I, for one, would be happy to cop that if we can't manage to stand on our own two feet in the AFL.:thumbsu:
Play Nth Melbourne in the VFL then - new AFL club in GC. Problem solved.
It's time for Victoria to "take one for the team" in the quest for a national comp, Kangaroos can either go to the Gold Coast or join the VFL.
WA and SA created new sides for the greater good of a national comp, turning our once powerful state leagues into piss-ant feeder comps. At least you'll get to keep most of your traditional sides.
Sorry but that's what is going happen, someone has to go and it will be the weakest link.
It's time for Victoria to "take one for the team" in the quest for a national comp, Kangaroos can either go to the Gold Coast or join the VFL.
WA and SA created new sides for the greater good of a national comp, turning our once powerful state leagues into piss-ant feeder comps. At least you'll get to keep most of your traditional sides.
Sorry but that's what is going happen, someone has to go and it will be the weakest link.
Weakest link eh ? How's your glasshouse going over there ?
meltiger
1 Nov 2007, 17:59
And what if the Saints or Tigers or Hawks have a couple of bad years?
What would you call the last 25 years?
We've never taken money from the CBF or sold our home games thank you very much.
Weakest link eh ? How's your glasshouse going over there ?
Great mate, 40k+ plus members, great facilities and making a killing.:thumbsu:
Old Swan Districts are only getting about 1-2k crowds at their games though.:thumbsd:
A couple of Vic teams are going to move, merge or fold, good luck in avoiding being on of the teams.
I wish it was a perfect world and it wouldn't happen, but it's fact of life mate, sorry but stiff shit.
Great mate, 40k+ plus members, great facilities and making a killing.:thumbsu:
And premierships ? Club spirit and pride ? Credibility ?
campbell
2 Nov 2007, 08:15
How many years have North been getting some sort of large( over 1 million per year ) handout.
I know they were in dire straights in 1996. They were trying to merge with Fitzroy, for the money to wipe out their debt then.
As said before, maybe the AFL has drawn a line in the sand. No proper business plan, no way forward. Continuing yearly losses.
Who knows, but, its been an awful long time to turn around the profits of the club, and still a loss.
The AFL will get what it wants.
What if the Roos say no, and their extra funding is pulled as their don't meet the criteria anymore?
campbell
2 Nov 2007, 08:17
And premierships ? Club spirit and pride ? Credibility ?
They do have club spirit and pride, and credibility. They have proven that you can have bad times off the field and their members still buy memberships, they still have sponsors. They are a very well run, profitable club.
The extra funding is more a equaliser for the inequities in the draw - and Most clubs receive SOME extra funding.
If this extra funding was removed expect the draw to be challenged in court.
Not just that but the AFL dictate many areas where extra income can be derived. I currently have a proposal for the Roos which I hopefully will get the go ahead to present next week that rests upon the restraints the AFL put on. Sponsorships, ground representation, Internet sites, the AFL certainly doesn't let the comp run on a level playing field so how do they expect everybody to be going great guns when you take away the ammunition?
CBF is based on a number stringent conditions including: a viable business plan and a belief by the AFL that the funding can help turn the clubs position around. If the AFL can see no improvement in North's future or Melbourne-based business plan then the AFL can still fund the other clubs but not North. Even if they couldn't the AFL writes the rules of who gets it. Its not for everyone - you have to meet conditions and qualify.
Electing to stay in Melbourne and loose money is not a viable business plan. A viable business plan involves many stratergies like Port are implementing to get more popularity and members in SA (and hence turn their long term future brighter) - they put their CBF money to good use. Using it to stay afloat and not progress any further is not what the AFL intended the money to be used for. If they were using it to invest in non-football areas too this would likely be acceptable but they have failed in this too.
The AFL can still fund other teams - I would argue the Bulldogs are making alot of good efforts to become more financially stable and efforts to get more support. The Bulldogs give away 8,000 free 3-game memberships away per year to Victoria University students - a good step. Melbourne are somewhat shaky and are like North but the fact they are Melbourne probably gives them a couple of gold stars.
I can see legal action occuring if that happens. Especially if the board of the Roos is as jaded as the supporters on Big Footy. It would be a real shame.
Freo Big Fella
2 Nov 2007, 17:33
And premierships ? Club spirit and pride ? Credibility ?
:rolleyes:
You lot come out with these sorts of statements and then wonder why people are happy to let you die out of spite?
Lets see if north can get several thousand people to march in the pouring rain in support of a club that went on to win the wooden spoon and still hasn't won a premiership. Then you can come back to me and bleat about your spirit and pride.
If Fremantle can turn it around after 2001 without any AFL assistance (which was explicitly denied by Demitriou when he was Operations Manager), North should easily be able to do it after a preliminary final.
:rolleyes:
You lot come out with these sorts of statements and then wonder why people are happy to let you die out of spite?
Lets see if north can get several thousand people to march in the pouring rain in support of a club that went on to win the wooden spoon and still hasn't won a premiership. Then you can come back to me and bleat about your spirit and pride.
If Fremantle can turn it around after 2001 without any AFL assistance (which was explicitly denied by Demitriou when he was Operations Manager), North should easily be able to do it after a preliminary final.
Without any assistance, you want me to remind you of the 4 year delay you were given in paying for your entry licence? In effect a 2 million dollar interest free loan.
Ive got copies of the AFL annual reports to proeve it to.
TigerGlory
2 Nov 2007, 19:21
Then the Demons, and then the Dogs will follow North off into the sunset.
And what if the Saints or Tigers or Hawks have a couple of bad years?
The Blues would have had to merge or relocate last year.
Is this really what the AFL wants?
Vlad needs to be very careful.
Richmond and Carlton will be going nowhere.
Two of the big power house clubs. Continually attract huge crowds. They can be shit for 100 years, and still be around.
The Chad
2 Nov 2007, 20:24
Then the Demons, and then the Dogs will follow North off into the sunset.
And what if the Saints or Tigers or Hawks have a couple of bad years?
The Blues would have had to merge or relocate last year.
Is this really what the AFL wants?
Vlad needs to be very careful.
the saints sink down their ladder and IF (big if given how well they're going) their membership sinks then just going by today's age you can see they're already in the bottom 4 in the other relocation KPI's
The Flash
3 Nov 2007, 12:16
CBF is based on a number stringent conditions including: a viable business plan and a belief by the AFL that the funding can help turn the clubs position around. If the AFL can see no improvement in North's future or Melbourne-based business plan then the AFL can still fund the other clubs but not North. Even if they couldn't the AFL writes the rules of who gets it. Its not for everyone - you have to meet conditions and qualify.
Electing to stay in Melbourne and loose money is not a viable business plan. A viable business plan involves many stratergies like Port are implementing to get more popularity and members in SA (and hence turn their long term future brighter) - they put their CBF money to good use. Using it to stay afloat and not progress any further is not what the AFL intended the money to be used for. If they were using it to invest in non-football areas too this would likely be acceptable but they have failed in this too.
The AFL can still fund other teams - I would argue the Bulldogs are making alot of good efforts to become more financially stable and efforts to get more support. The Bulldogs give away 8,000 free 3-game memberships away per year to Victoria University students - a good step. Melbourne are somewhat shaky and are like North but the fact they are Melbourne probably gives them a couple of gold stars.
Melbourne are shaky?
Were not making good efforts to become financially stable and get more support?
You heard of TEAMELBOURNE and THE CHINA CONNECTION?
What a ridiculous thing to say. Do your homework before you make these stupid comments.
If Fremantle can turn it around after 2001 without any AFL assistance (which was explicitly denied by Demitriou when he was Operations Manager), North should easily be able to do it after a preliminary final.
Would you not call priority draft picks AFL assistance? Lets face it, theres probably not a person on this board moaning about the AFL helping out North that supports a club that hasn't been compromised in some way.
And the ironic thing, is that they all want North moved to a region that will need more assistance from the AFL than North ever will.
campbell
3 Nov 2007, 15:57
I wish they had of given Fitzroy, the years of financial assistance they have given some of these other clubs....
TheBrownDog
3 Nov 2007, 16:06
Lets not lose sight of what the CBF is there for now. It is compensation given to clubs disadvantaged by the AFL's obsession with maximising attendances and TV revenue.
In the process, 'unsexy' clubs like the Kangaroos are robbed of Friday night games and other blockbusters and therefore are robbed of exposure and money.
Taking away the CBF would be like giving the smartest kids at schools the best facilities and teachers, and putting the struggling kids in the crap classrooms with crap teachers.
Sure, you further the development of the elite kids, but the struggling ones get further left behind in the process.
No West Australian totally lost their original club when they all turncoated and decided to hop off the WAFL and jump on the AFL.
Therefore, you wouldn't have a clue.:thumbsd:
Yes mate - we all stood around every weekend listening to the radio and hoping the VFL team that we never saw won a game.
We followed our WAFL teams.
I, for one, would be happy to cop that if we can't manage to stand on our own two feet in the AFL.:thumbsu:
If that is the case .....bye bye then as you are not standing on your own 2 feet.
And premierships ? Club spirit and pride ? Credibility ?
No flags but club spirit is fantastic and pride - well seeming we have won zero flags, share a home with the most successful team of late and have more members than 75% of the comp ....how do you think we are going in the pride stakes?
Credibility? How do we not have credibility?
Without any assistance, you want me to remind you of the 4 year delay you were given in paying for your entry licence? In effect a 2 million dollar interest free loan.
Ive got copies of the AFL annual reports to proeve it to.
Wow you have copies? Hold the front page.
The idea was to give us a headstart and we would then (with the passion of Freo fans) get in the game off the field.
What has happened .....we have got our house in order and got in the game as predicted (oh and ahead of schedule).
It is a joke when you piss poor Roos supporters (lots of good ones too BTW) ...mock us for taking an interest free loan (which we have paid back) - compared to the interest free gifts you get from the CBF and do not get the support to continue unassisted.
Keep slinging mud at opposition supporters though ...I am sure your arrogance and insults are winning these fans over to make a donation or write an e-mail on your behalf.
KingyOrTheKing
3 Nov 2007, 17:20
If the CBF goes, we get a fair draw. Woohoo!:thumbsu:
The Teflon Dean
3 Nov 2007, 17:27
If the CBF goes, we get a fair draw. Woohoo!:thumbsu:
If the CBF goes we get ANZAC Day!:cool:
If the CBF goes then the competition will be majorly unfair. What people don't seem to understand is that the CBF isn't there to prop up the struggling clubs because they can't do it by themselves, it's there because the struggling clubs get a worse draw than the Collingwood's and Essendon's in terms of television coverage (among other things) and need compensation.
Give us the same draw Collingwood gets, and we'll gladly kiss the CBF goodbye.