Carlton or Richmond Youngsters Poll...

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Sorry did put in the Poll votes

Which group would you take. A youngster being 24 y/o & under.

Richmond

Casserly
Collins
Connors
Deledio
Edwards
Foley
Graham
Hartigan
Howat
Hughes
Jackson
King
McGuane
McMahon
Meyer
Moore
Morton
Oakley-Nicholls
Pattison
Peterson
Polak
Polo
Raines
Riewoldt
Schulz
Tambling
Thursfield
White

= 27

Carlton

Anderson
Austin
Benjamin
Bentick
Betts
Blackwell
Bower
Carrazzo
Cloke
Edwards
Fisher
Gibbs
Grigg
Hadley
Hampson
Hartlett
Jackson
Jacobs
Jamison
Judd
Murphy
A. O'hAilpin
S. O'hAilpin
Russell
Simpson
Thornton
Waite
Walker

= 28

[delirious1]

being 24 isnt really being a "youngster"
so take out Judd Polak Waite S O'Halpin Hadley

Also, Hartigan is de-listed.
You missed Raines

[jonesy86]

I would classify a 'youngster' as someone who has been in the AFL system for 4yrs and under.

Judd and Polak are heading into their 7th seasons...hardly youngsters.

[one_twelve112]

Stupid poll....Carlton easily, if you take out Tambling it would be a lot closer.

[Marc Shmurf 3]

I would classify a 'youngster' as someone who has been in the AFL system for 4yrs and under.

Judd and Polak are heading into their 7th seasons...hardly youngsters.

24 is when you are starting to hit your peak. hardly a verteran either.
Either way you can take out our 24y/o and we still would have a better bunch.

[blues4flag]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

This is a joke...surely? :confused: Richmond's youngsters don't even come close.

[Marc Shmurf 3]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

This is a joke...surely? :confused: Richmond's youngsters don't even come close.

Not according to Rado

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391681

:thumbsu:

[dutchy12]

Sorry did put in the Poll votes

Which group would you take. A youngster being 24 y/o & under.

Richmond

Casserly
Collins
Connors
Deledio
Edwards
Foley
Graham
Hartigan
Howat
Hughes
Jackson
King
McGuane
McMahon
Meyer
Moore
Morton
Oakley-Nicholls
Pattison
Peterson
Polak
Polo
Raines
Riewoldt
Schulz
Tambling
Thursfield
White

= 27

Carlton

Anderson
Austin
Benjamin
Bentick
Betts
Blackwell
Bower
Carrazzo
Cloke
Edwards
Fisher
Gibbs
Grigg
Hadley
Hampson
Hartlett
Jackson
Jacobs
Jamison
Judd
Murphy
A. O'hAilpin
S. O'hAilpin
Russell
Simpson
Thornton
Waite
Walker

= 28

Both pretty poor and dissapointing lists considering how many years each side has been down towards the lower rungs of the competition

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Both pretty poor and dissapointing lists considering how many years each side has been down towards the lower rungs of the competition

dont let me get melbourne's list up here.

[Coughlan]

You are so incredibly insecure, its pathetic:rolleyes:

"OH NO, sum1 d1sarees with me, Ill show them and make a poll!!!!"

Grow up FFS

[Marc Shmurf 3]

You are so incredibly insecure, its pathetic:rolleyes:

"OH NO, sum1 d1sarees with me, Ill show them and make a poll!!!!"

Grow up FFS

not insecure at all. just interested to see the public point of view.

bye bye:thumbsu:

[Coughlan]

not insecure at all. just interested to see the public point of view.

bye bye:thumbsu:
**** off, somebody disagrees with you and you make a poll.
Where not all as stupid as you are:rolleyes:

[Marc Shmurf 3]

**** off, somebody disagrees with you and you make a poll.
Where not all as stupid as you are:rolleyes:

no1 asked you to come in here.

if you dont like it then p off.

Whats with the hatred.

Talent envy are you???

enjoy tambling

[smiddaz123]

Oh my god.

Judd a youngster....

Carlton fan in a desperate attempt to make their young players look better much?

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Oh my god.

Judd a youngster....

Carlton fan in a desperate attempt to make their young players look better much?

ok then i see your point although i still dont consider a 24y/o a verteran

take Judd and Polak out and who has a better list.

doesnt bother me

either way our is still far superior

[Jeremias]

**** off, somebody disagrees with you and you make a poll.
Where not all as stupid as you are:rolleyes:

That's correct-we're not all as stupid as he is.

However, your horrendous use of the English language proves that you are, in fact, even more stupid than he is. Not that that is news or anything.

Enjoy the spoon, Tugger supporter.

[rockape]

carlton easily. wouldnt even consider richmonds list its a non event

[rado]

with all the shit you carlton supporters say about Tambling, I'd still take him over about 20 of those players in carlton's under 24 list.

He has done everything to suggest that he will be a super player in years to come. Every year he is getting better and better. Yes, Franklin is the better player at the moment but who knows what will happen in 5 years time. Just like at the moment pendulbery is better than josh kennedy or marc murphy. Who knows what will happen in 5 years time.

[delirious1]

ok then i see your point although i still dont consider a 24y/o a verteran

take Judd and Polak out and who has a better list.

doesnt bother me

either way our is still far superior
You would also have to take out O'Halpin whos 24, Waite who's 24, Hadley whos 24
You missed out one of richmonds best (Raines) and listed a player whos de-listed
this isnt a "finding out" more then a thread where you can pleasure yourself at carltons might over a shit-hole club.

[Monkeyboy]

OMG......:eek::eek:

Tigers list is a disgrace. Are you sure that is it.

Like Lids and Foley:thumbsu: Polak does ok. King and Edwards battle hard. Raines has gone backwards. Thursfield looks good. Conners and Reiwoldt may become very good players.

That is a disgrce. How the hell is Wallet still getting agig down there.

Re the Poll...Carlton by a mile.

That list must make all Tiger fans shudder. What a pack of crap!

[dutchy12]

dont let me get melbourne's list up here.

Melbourne hasn't had the oppurtunity to pick up as many "A" grade youngsters as you have had! Thought that was pretty clear. The funny thing is even with all your help from the draft countless top 10 picks and the likes I still ratE 10 or so other lists higher than yours!

[Coughlan]

That's correct-we're not all as stupid as he is.

However, your horrendous use of the English language proves that you are, in fact, even more stupid than he is. Not that that is news or anything.

Enjoy the spoon, Tugger supporter.
Oh no, a spelling error, what can I do?

Why is it that you always use spelling errors rather then the actual topic at hand?
Are you incapable of forming an argument or something.
Not as smart as you think, nothing funnier then somebody who tries to act as an intellectual giant by pointing out spelling mistakes:thumbsu:
Anyways I can guarantee you I am more informed about literature and the like then you are, its only a forum lets not take it so seriously.:rolleyes:

[Monkeyboy]

Oh no, a spelling error, what can I do?

Why is it that you always use spelling errors rather then the actual topic at hand?
Are you incapable of forming an argument or something.
Not as smart as you think, nothing funnier then somebody who tries to act as an intellectual giant by pointing out spelling mistakes:thumbsu:
Anyways I can guarantee you I am more informed about literature and the like then you are, its only a forum lets not take it so seriously.:rolleyes:

Gold!
:eek:

[smiddaz123]

Oh no, a spelling error, what can I do?

Why is it that you always use spelling errors rather then the actual topic at hand?
Are you incapable of forming an argument or something.
Not as smart as you think, nothing funnier then somebody who tries to act as an intellectual giant by pointing out spelling mistakes:thumbsu:
Anyways I can guarantee you I am more informed about literature and the like then you are, its only a forum lets not take it so seriously.:rolleyes:
than*

[Jeremias]

Oh no, a spelling error, what can I do?

Why is it that you always use spelling errors rather then the actual topic at hand?
Are you incapable of forming an argument or something.
Not as smart as you think, nothing funnier then somebody who tries to act as an intellectual giant by pointing out spelling mistakes:thumbsu:
Anyways I can guarantee you I am more informed about literature and the like then you are, its only a forum lets not take it so seriously.:rolleyes:

You called someone an idiot, and that someone happened to be a Carlton supporter, so I thought I'd come and defend him, and show everyone what a moron you are, in case they didn't already have a fair idea, in which case I would be very surprised.

You're right...you have a far better idea of how to spell words incorrectly than I do. Congratulations :thumbsu:

Seriously, WTF are you trying to prove by saying that you know more about literature than I do? Great, good on you! Why do I care? LOL! :D

[blu blood]

why does this poll exist???

[delirious1]

why does this poll exist???
Why does Mark Shmurf enjoy the smell of his own farts?
Obvious answer, he just wants to lord it over, so i voted richmond to spite him

[Schmick]

Why does Mark Shmurf enjoy the smell of his own farts?
Obvious answer, he just wants to lord it over, so i voted richmond to spite him
Good one :thumbsu: Exactly my answer, except more comic to it.

[The Royal Sampler]

Take out the 24yr olds in the very least and try again. Otherwise just rate the whole list, don't pretend it's "youngsters".

[parrot]

Take out the 24yr olds in the very least and try again. Otherwise just rate the whole list, don't pretend it's "youngsters".

How's your talent envy going? Struggling eh? lol. The Blues list is looking pretty good isn't it. Must be upseting. :)

[delirious1]

How's your talent envy going? Struggling eh? lol. The Blues list is looking pretty good isn't it. Must be upseting. :)
Stay on topic Plz.

[Coughlan]

You called someone an idiot, and that someone happened to be a Carlton supporter, so I thought I'd come and defend him, and show everyone what a moron you are, in case they didn't already have a fair idea, in which case I would be very surprised.

You're right...you have a far better idea of how to spell words incorrectly than I do. Congratulations :thumbsu:

Seriously, WTF are you trying to prove by saying that you know more about literature than I do? Great, good on you! Why do I care? LOL! :D
Pointing out spelling mistakes isn't the way to go about it.
You're trying to make me look like a tool, but you're only making yourself look like a (bigger) dick.

[JSFish]

ok then i see your point although i still dont consider a 24y/o a verteran

Yeah i agree, if they are not classified as a youngster then people must be seeing them as a veteran:rolleyes:

Funny thread, majority of the people who actually have stated their opinion are Carlton supporters. 'Oh no, trust me, no, but we're better, umm, but, no, richmond are bad, we are fantastic'.

[ChunkyDuckling]

How's your talent envy going? Struggling eh? lol. The Blues list is looking pretty good isn't it. Must be upseting. :)

Pies list is better. :) I doubt he is upset, I hate to say it but they will be top 4 next year, Blues may be top four in 5 years... Maybe

Stupid poll made by an insecure Blues fan who has taylored the OP and then proceeds to have a crack at the team of anybody who disagrees with him. Go on, have a go at the Hawks.... :rolleyes:

[Sherminator.]

Stupid poll....Carlton easily, if you take out Tambling it would be a lot closer.
Tambling before Franklin, LMAO.
Oakley-Nicholls before Clark, LMFAO.


Carlton easily, btw.

[parrot]

Pies list is better. :) I doubt he ...

The Pies list is a long long way behind the Blues list in terms of raw talent and upside. That's just a fact. However, the Pies are able to extract 110% out of the players they do have though, but lack of talent will always be exposed in big games. Lots of middle-of-the-roaders on the Pies list, and a marked scarcity of top-shelf-talent. A pretty typical Collingwood list. :)

[Palmer Stoat]

The Pies list is a long long way behind the Blues list in terms of raw talent and upside. That's just a fact. However, the Pies are able to extract 110% out of the players they do have though, but lack of talent will always be exposed in big games. Lots of middle-of-the-roaders on the Pies list, and a marked scarcity of top-shelf-talent. A pretty typical Collingwood list. :)

First, let me explain to you that it's impossible to give 110%. You can't give the 10% you don't have. It may look like Collingwood players give 110% to Carlton supporters because they're so used to getting only 65% from their own players. Appearances, however, can be deceptive.

Second, Collingwood finished top four; Carlton finished second last. And while there's no doubt the Carltoon tanked, that simply turned a six-win season into a four-win season. The upshot? Well, Collingwood won 11 more games for the season because -- surprise, surprise -- we have superior talent.

Of Carlton's young players, there is one gold-plated, confirmed A-grader, and that is Murphy. Collingwood has more A-graders and more B-graders too. That is the truth.

I can understand why you're always citing Carlton's 'talent' and 'potential' (you certainly can't cite performance), but really, some pretty ordinary recruiting has left you with a list that, even on the most optimistic analysis, is only fair-to-middling.

I can see Carltoon lingering in the mid-ladder wasteland for many years.

[TheGeneral]

with all the shit you carlton supporters say about Tambling, I'd still take him over about 20 of those players in carlton's under 24 list.

He has done everything to suggest that he will be a super player in years to come. Every year he is getting better and better. Yes, Franklin is the better player at the moment but who knows what will happen in 5 years time. Just like at the moment pendulbery is better than josh kennedy or marc murphy. Who knows what will happen in 5 years time.
Everyone's a comedian.
First, let me explain to you that it's impossible to give 110%. You can't give the 10% you don't have. It may look like Collingwood players give 110% to Carlton supporters because they're so used to getting only 65% from their own players. Appearances, however, can be deceptive.

Second, Collingwood finished top four; Carlton finished second last. And while there's no doubt the Carltoon tanked, that simply turned a six-win season into a four-win season. The upshot? Well, Collingwood won 11 more games for the season because -- surprise, surprise -- we have superior talent.

Of Carlton's young players, there is one gold-plated, confirmed A-grader, and that is Murphy. Collingwood has more A-graders and more B-graders too. That is the truth.

I can understand why you're always citing Carlton's 'talent' and 'potential' (you certainly can't cite performance), but really, some pretty ordinary recruiting has left you with a list that, even on the most optimistic analysis, is only fair-to-middling.

I can see Carltoon lingering in the mid-ladder wasteland for many years.
We wish we had A grade outside players like Thomas and Pendlebury who are still pulling out of contests in their second year.

Are the rest of your A and B graders Goldsack, Reid and Toovey? :rolleyes:

Cloke is the only A grade youngster on Collingwood's list Carlton needs to address a list weakness after we lost Kennedy.

Maybe Reid if he develops.

We have no desperate need for Pendlebury, Thomas, Clarke, Goldsack, Dick and Toovey when we have Walker, Gibbs, Grigg, Bower, Jackson, Russell, Benjamin, Anderson and Austin.

[Palmer Stoat]

Everyone's a comedian.

We wish we had A grade outside players like Thomas and Pendlebury who are still pulling out of contests in their second year.

Are the rest of your A and B graders Goldsack, Reid and Toovey? :rolleyes:

Cloke is the only A grade youngster on Collingwood's list Carlton needs to address a list weakness after we lost Kennedy.

Maybe Reid if he develops.

We have no desperate need for Pendlebury, Thomas, Clarke, Goldsack, Dick and Toovey when we have Walker, Gibbs, Grigg, Bower, Jackson, Russell, Benjamin, Anderson and Austin.

Thomas and Pendlebury were both in the Collingwood's top five for hardball-gets this year. Like most Carlton supporters, you have NFI.

Collingwood's A-grade youngsters:
Cloke
Pendlebury
Thomas
(I don't count Heath Shaw as a youngster)

Potential A-graders:
Reid
Clarke

And a stack of kids I would rate B-graders, none of whom are Toovey.

[JKCeagle]

If Judd had moved to Carlton a year later, I suppose "youngsters" would mean "25 and under"? :D

[The Royal Sampler]

How's your talent envy going? Struggling eh? lol. The Blues list is looking pretty good isn't it. Must be upseting. :)
You must be confused. I barrack for Collingwood. Good luck in the poll, because that's all you've got.

[CrazyQ]

Everyone's a comedian.

We wish we had A grade outside players like Thomas and Pendlebury who are still pulling out of contests in their second year.

Are the rest of your A and B graders Goldsack, Reid and Toovey? :rolleyes:

Cloke is the only A grade youngster on Collingwood's list Carlton needs to address a list weakness after we lost Kennedy.

Maybe Reid if he develops.

We have no desperate need for Pendlebury, Thomas, Clarke, Goldsack, Dick and Toovey when we have Walker, Gibbs, Grigg, Bower, Jackson, Russell, Benjamin, Anderson and Austin.
Bryce Gibbs pulled out agaisnt Milne.

Thats ****ed.

[celtic_pride]

Back on topic, it's between Carlton and Richmond ...

I'd back our youngsters against the rabble anyday ..

I find it insulting that any fan would put Richmond's ahead of Carlton's, but then again, I would only expect Tiger ferals to vote for their mob, cause clearly they are brain dead

(if it was a poll between which team is better, Geelong or Richmond, the toothless Tiger fans would still vote for Richmond LOL)

There is no logical reason why people would say Richmond's youngsters are better then Carlton's.

[CrazyQ]

I'd take a few from Richmond and a few from Carlton.

However, I would not trade Wells Smith McIntosh and Hansen for any 4 you can come up with.

[The Zebra]

Carlton's list is obviously better, but the Blues poster who started this thread has obviously chosen 24 as the cut off only to include Judd and he is what gives then the age.

23 and under would be the maximum you would go to on youngsters.
heaps of guys get cut by 22 because clubs feel they have found all they know. A few revive and hit peaks at 23. 24 is too old - but it served his purpose.

A lot of kids in both lists that have really done nothing, and we only think they are good because they were high picks rewarded to the consistent efforts of boh clubs (but one in particular).

If I had my choice of players from those lists I would take them like this:

1. Judd - Carlton
2. Foley - Richmond
3. Murphy - Carlton
4. Deledio - Richmond
5. Reiwoldt - Richmond
6. Walker - Carlton
7. Polak - Carlton
8. Waite - Richmond
9. Fisher - Carlton
10. Simpson - Carlton

6 from Carlton
4 from Richmond

Foley over Murphy is a hard decision, but **** that Foley has some explosiveness.

Fisher probably a bit low, but he is risky considering how much he gets injured. If he strung another season together like this one then he would jump up.

Polak and Waite still a fair bit on athletic ability and size rather than performance. Polak needs to be used properly becaus he could be a gun.

It is interesting because North's under 24 list shits all over both these teams and we have only had 1 bottom three finish in 20 years, but that could also do with the Roos having a solid senior core which neither Richmond or Carlton have.

[one_twelve112]

^^^^ Waite - Richmond????

[TheGeneral]

Bryce Gibbs pulled out agaisnt Milne.

Thats ****ed.
North are ****ed. :thumbsu:

Gibbs is still better than any of your young players.

I wouldn't give him up for a Smith, Wells, Hansen or McIntosh if they snub your club to stay in Melbourne.
I'd take a few from Richmond and a few from Carlton.

However, I would not trade Wells Smith McIntosh and Hansen for any 4 you can come up with.
A couple of those players won't be your's to trade because all of them won't want to move to the Gold Coast.

What's with all the North supporters pumping up their brilliant young players in this thread? :rolleyes:

Doesn't anyone care enough to start a thread on their beleaguered football club? ;) :thumbsu: :o

[celtic_pride]

LOL @ Zebra ...

Your lost all credibility when you said Foley was better thenMurphy ..

Also I would take Carlton's under 24's over the Gold coast's rather comfortably to be honest.
You are only writing that from a position of bias ...

[The Zebra]

LOL @ Zebra ...

Your lost all credibility when you said Foley was better thenMurphy ..


LOL LOL LOL all you want, but you are the one who looks like ge biased moron to suggest that Murphy is so far ahead of Foley that it is not even worth debate.

Foley was awesome this year, git great numbers and showed an explosiveness that only a couple of other players have. And while Carlton supporters always say Murphy didn't dominate because he had the best tagger ....well I hate to say it, but Foley did as well and did ok.

Only 2 years age difference and Foley has only played 14 more games.

As I said, it wouldn't be an easy choice between the two - but it is nowhere near as ridiculously cut and dried as you have LOL LOL LOl suggested.

Also I would take Carlton's under 24's over the Gold coast's rather comfortably to be honest.
You are only writing that from a position of bias ...

Of course you would. I might be writing from a position of bias, you obviously are, but the difference is my bias has some weight behind it.

You see 12 of North's regular 22 were 24 and under this year and we finished third. We have a dominant ruckman (McIntosh), two defenders who played the two major key positions down back for most of the year - for a top 4 team (Firrito and Gibson), two absolute jets with unbelieveable skills (Wells and Smith), a defender who was stiff not to get AA selection (Pratt), a high leaping key forward (Edwards) and a second ruck/ forward that a team like yours would kill to have right now (Hale) - and plenty more.
Plus we have guys like Hansen, Adams, Riggio who will knock the door down next year - it is harder to break into a team that is top 4 as compared to a team that can't win more than 4.

North's list shits all over Carltons.

[Monkeyboy]

Carlton Youngsters >>>>> Norths >>>>>>>>>>>>>Tigers

But North certainly played some great footy in 07 and hats off to them. But i fear 08 will be where Carlton and Roos pass each other around the middle of the ladder, with carlton ready to dominate for many years to come and North likely to slide.

Tigers = a Joke. Can Wallet get an extension in 08 if he talks up the 30 year plan??

[magpie_militia]

Carlton and Roos pass each other around the middle of the ladder, with carlton ready to dominate for many years to come and North likely to slide.



Yeah yeah, keep dreaming Monkeyboy.

North actually play with a bit of heart, Carlton on the other hand are an embarassment.

p.s - change your listed club already! Its obvious that you dont follow Essendon :)

[parrot]

... Carlton on the other hand ....

Frantic Collingwood supporter talent envy of the Blues impressive list talent (see above), has hit fever pitch now. I am really enjoying this. Looking forward to another half dozen or so Collingwood middle-of-the-roader talk-up polls over the off season. Collingwood need to understand that having a bucket-load of middle-of-the-road talents like they currently have, will only lead to middle-of-the-road results. Their dismal one flag in half-a-century failure record is good evidence as to why this approach won't work. No number of HUN-Collingwood overhype newsletters will change this reality. Collingwood supporters know this deep down of course, as we all do. :)

[magpie_militia]

Frantic Collingwood supporter talent envy of the Blues impressive list talent (see above), has hit fever pitch now. I am really enjoying this. Looking forward to another half dozen or so Collingwood middle-of-the-roader talk-up polls over the off season. Collingwood need to understand that having a bucket-load of middle-of-the-road talents like they currently have, will only lead to middle-of-the-road results. Their dismal one flag in half-a-century failure record is good evidence as to why this approach won't work. No number of HUN-Collingwood overhype newsletters will change this reality. Collingwood supporters know this deep down of course, as we all do. :)

BLAH BLAH BLAH. Still sprouting off the same crap I see parrot? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself more than anything of the Blues impressive "talent".

Come back and talk to me when this "talent" actually does something (other than winning spoons of course, how many is it now?). Until then, have fun envying Collingwood and our plethora of talented young players :)

[Moss Rocket]

BLAH BLAH BLAH. Still sprouting off the same crap I see parrot? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself more than anything of the Blues impressive "talent".

Come back and talk to me when this "talent" actually does something (other than winning spoons of course, how many is it now?). Until then, have fun envying Collingwood and our plethora of talented young players :)

There lies the big difference between Carlton and Collingwood supporters. You actually believe you have achieved over the last decade. We will achieve with flag 17.......very soon. Anything less than a flag is failure. Keep enjoying those flying pies!:rolleyes:

[magpie_militia]

We will achieve with flag 17.......very soon. Anything less than a flag is failure.:rolleyes:

Yeah yeah, you delusional fools have been saying that for years. Keep going though, it's quite comical watching you fail year after year. Speaking of which, how many spoons have the Blues "won" now? :)

[parrot]

.....it's quite comical watching you fail year after year...

We've all been watching and laughing at Collingwood failing for 49 of the past 50 years - a pan-generational failure record of almost StKilda proportions. The Pies failures help bring the football community together, and are just good for footy. :)

[magpie_militia]

The Pies failures help bring the football community together, and are just good for footy. :)

Another thing that is good for footy is Carlton's consistent low finishes. Last 5 years:

2003 - 15
2004 - 11
2005 - 16
2006 - 16 (how many spoons do you guys want??)
2007 - 15

Oh what the hell, lets include 2002 as well = 16th

Now those figures are good for footy! :)

[parrot]

...Carlton's consistent low finishes. Last 5 years:...

Lol. You're sounding a little desperate now aren't you. I'll refrain from pointing out that in this brief post-draft penalty era, we actually finished above the Pies in one of those years, and in another one of those years, the Pies were within percentage of getting a spoon instead of us. The glaring point is the Pies staggering 49 failure years out of 50. That's a period over 10 times greater - pretty amazing. We all hear of scams in the media, I think the Eddie Collingwood presidency scam is slowly being exposed now. Eddie achieved a lot of personal successs on the back of the Collingwood membership, but all he actually "achieved" was tack on another decade-plus of failure, onto the back of the Pies pre-existing 40 year failure record. A complete scam. The Pies board and some of the Collingwood faithful are starting to realise this. Interesting times ahead. :)

[magpie_militia]

We all hear of scams in the media, I think the Eddie Collingwood presidency scam is slowly being exposed now. Eddie achieved a lot of personal successs on the back of the Collingwood membership, but all he actually "achieved" was tack on another decade-plus of failure, onto the back of the Pies pre-existing 40 year failure record. A complete scam. The Pies board and some of the Collingwood faithful are starting to realise this. Interesting times ahead. :)

Financially, Collingwood are a lot better off with Eddie as President. You already know that. On field though is a different story, and I have no doubt that Eddie would be feeling the pressure at the moment, considering he hasn't delivered a Premiership during his tenure.

Its a bit rich of you to be bagging our President, when yours hasn't done much either. I mean what has Pratt achieved really when you look past all of the Carlton propaganda?

a) Carlton has gone from 16th to 15th - technically an improvement I guess.

b) Your financial position has not improved. You still trade unprofitably after all.

[SeymourLions]

Carlton Youngsters >>>>> Norths >>>>>>>>>>>>>Tigers

But North certainly played some great footy in 07 and hats off to them. But i fear 08 will be where Carlton and Roos pass each other around the middle of the ladder, with carlton ready to dominate for many years to come and North likely to slide.

Tigers = a Joke. Can Wallet get an extension in 08 if he talks up the 30 year plan??


North >> Carlton > Tigers


Can anyone list the proven young players of Carlton, even solid 2's form?

It seems alot of their players are beaten up purely on draft reputation.


North's best young kid isnt even McIntosh, Wells or Smith.

Its Ed Lower, hes going to be a tougher version of Nick Dal Santo.

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Financially, Collingwood are a lot better off with Eddie as President. You already know that. On field though is a different story, and I have no doubt that Eddie would be feeling the pressure at the moment, considering he hasn't delivered a Premiership during his tenure.

Its a bit rich of you to be bagging our President, when yours hasn't done much either. I mean what has Pratt achieved really when you look past all of the Carlton propaganda? :eek:

a) Carlton has gone from 16th to 15th - technically an improvement I guess.

b) Your financial position has not improved. You still trade unprofitably after all.

:eek:

your kidding me right

1. Greg Swann
2. Steven Icke
3. Hyundai (concerning $$$$) (biggest sponsorship deal ever)
4. Visy = shorts sponsorship = biggest sponsorship $$$$ ever involved with this one. Wonder why... ONCE AGAIN CONCERNING $$$
5. Chris Judd (remember who he is) again concerning $$$$ in a sence of merchandising & memberships)
6. Record breaking membership figures based on Pratt being President and us supporters believing in his direction
7. will be revealed mid way through the year but another major sponsorship which will be equal to or greater than Hyundai.


Your right he has done nothing.....

hmhmhmhmhmhmhm:o

[parrot]

.... I mean what has Pratt achieved really ....

Hilarious. Not sure what planet you have been on, but let me walk you though some of Pratts first 12 month achievements...

1. Lured the best player in the AFL - Chris Judd. (Pies shafting #1)

2. Lured the best CEO in the AFL - Swann (Pies shafting #2)

3. Lured Icke

4. Turned the Blues around financially - we are now richer than the Pies, and even posted bigger profit this year

5. Sponsors are clammering to get on board. Quite amazing. Just signed perhaps the biggest sponsorship in the history of the AFL

6. Massive cash injection for Player facilities. Our facilities will move past what the Pies have in 2008

7. Booming membership, looks set to go beyond 40k

8. Massive influx of quality support staff

9. Building the most talented young list in the AFL

Not a bad start eh. Think he's already shafted Eddie 2-3 times - Pratt toys with the Pies bumbling "dead man walking" gameshow host president. It's entertainment. Pratts first 12 months provided the platform for us to bring home flags 17 and 18. Flags are ultimately the only objective at Carlton. i.e the famous Carlton Success Culture. :)

[smiddaz123]

Hilarious. Not sure what planet you have been on, but let me walk you though some of Pratts first 12 month achievements...

1. Lured the best player in the AFL - Chris Judd. (Pies shafting #1)

Only because you tanked and had the draft picks to offer :thumbsu:

And also, as for your massive profit......well, if other clubs got the massive amount of charity hand outs that the blues did, they'd return at massive profit too. Big difference is clubs like Collingwood get their profit through hard work off the field, unlike the blues who are on their hands and knees begging for more money.

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Only because you tanked and had the draft picks to offer :thumbsu:

And also, as for your massive profit......well, if other clubs got the massive amount of charity hand outs that the blues did, they'd return at massive profit too. Big difference is clubs like Collingwood get their profit through hard work off the field, unlike the blues who are on their hands and knees begging for more money.

oh dear...:o

back to finding your teeth

[smiddaz123]

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oh dear...:o

back to finding your teeth
How mature :)

Instead of actually trying to discuss the topic, you sink down to the level of personal insults which don't even offend anyone.

Top stuff :thumbsu:

[magpie_militia]

Hilarious. Not sure what planet you have been on, but let me walk you though some of Pratts first 12 month achievements...


4. Turned the Blues around financially - we are now richer than the Pies, and even posted bigger profit this year

6. Massive cash injection for Player facilities. Our facilities will move past what the Pies have in 2008

7. Booming membership, looks set to go beyond 40k

9. Building the most talented young list in the AFL



Swan and Icke I cant disagree on. Swann was excellent for us.

The Blues did land Chris Judd. However, I think it had more to do with draft picks than Dick Pratt. If the pies performed as poorly as the Blues in 2007, we may have seen a different result. Who knows though.

AFL handouts + one-off fundraising events plus reaching in to his own pockets is classified as "profit" now? The Blues are still in debt yes? How are they richer than the Pies?

What is your current membership figure? I could say the Pies membership "looks set" to go past that figure as well. Doesn't mean it will happen.

Your facilities "will" move past what the Pies have? Once again, this is just what the club and/or you say. Doesn't mean it will happen.

Finally, building the most talented list in the AFL. Consistently finishing in the bottom two teams will do that, however your recruiting has not proven that it made the right choices at all. Marc Murphy looks set to be a gun, the rest haven't done much at all.

I never said that Pratt hadn't achieved "anything", I think I said that he hasn't done much. I merely stated that it was unfair to criticise our President, when yours is basically on par.

[parrot]

S...I never said that Pratt hadn't achieved "anything", ..

lol. BackTrack Alert. :)

[magpie_militia]

lol. BackTrack Alert. :)

Well it is true, I never said that.

It is possible for me to comment on the Blues in a positive light.........occasionally :)