Future of Sportscover Arena/Elsternwick Park

[Jascave]

Seeing there's much debate re the future of the VAFA HQ, Sportscover Arena/Elsternwick Park, what should the VAFA do? Move to a new ground or stick with Sportscover Arena?

[The Tiger's Nuts]

Well given they are committed to EP for the next twenty years, don't you think you are asking a rhetorical question?

[uglydermie]

do you really think moving to Sandy or Linton street with fix the wind issue?

Come on Jas - Might be time to have a rest for a few months. It has been a long season..... Alternatively send your resume into Shol. He may just need a young rooster to mould for possible take over in 2009.

[harper]

Jase, I will not vote in this poll as the direct question does not involve the Hampton Rovers or the AFL. Please fix this by Friday, noon, please!

[camvoss]

haha. quick jase, enter Boss James Reserve as one of the venues on the poll and you'll get a few more votes!! ;)

[YackTalk]

As discussed in the B Grade thread-

Why do we even need Elsternwick Park? I would have thought most clubs would prefer to play at home anyway.

All you need to do is find accomodation for the VAFA administration. Play finals at Sandy and other similiar grounds. Why do we even need to pump money into this ground?

[Lemms]

How bout it be returned to its rightful owner - Elsternwick AFC. :eek:

[ultimate hater]

such a compelling poll..

you should head straight to headquarters and show the results you have.. they'll be at a new joint by the new year!! 10 to 4 in favour of moving.. can we get a "worm" for the forum maybe??

[Jascave]

Here's how I view the Elsternwick Park/Sportscover situation:

1) As I have stated elsewhere, and I think most people would agree with me, keep the administration side of the VAFA at Sportscover Arena.

2) Only play night games, State of Origin/representative football at Sportscover Arena. Also use the ground in case a club (like Beaumaris) haven't got a ground to play on for the short term at least.

3) Shift the B & A Sections Grand Final to Sandringham, it makes for a much better atmosphere (as anyone who went to the epic 2006 C Section Grand Final would agree. In fact, believe it or not, VAFA Board member Tom Brain said on 88.3 Southern FM's VAFA Sunday, the day after the game, the crowd atomsphere was 100% better than Sportscover Arena. In other words, Tom Brain disagreed with pro-Sportscover Arena VAFA Board members, which put him at odds with the rest of the VAFA Board, who were keen to stay at Sportscover Arena for the long term).

4) Give the keys of Sportscover Arena to Elsternwick AFC, so they at last can get to play on the main oval on a fortnightly basis, rather than be treated like a second-class citizen and moved to the No.2 Oval.

[Phantom Strobler]

Here's how I view the Elsternwick Park/Sportscover situation:

1) As I have stated elsewhere, and I think most people would agree with me, keep the administration side of the VAFA at Sportscover Arena.

2) Only play night games, State of Origin/representative football at Sportscover Arena. Also use the ground in case a club (like Beaumaris) haven't got a ground to play on for the short term at least.

3) Shift the B & A Sections Grand Final to Sandringham, it makes for a much better atmosphere (as anyone who went to the epic 2006 C Section Grand Final would agree. In fact, believe it or not, VAFA Board member Tom Brain said on 88.3 Southern FM's VAFA Sunday, the day after the game, the crowd atomsphere was 100% better than Sportscover Arena. In other words, Tom Brain disagreed with pro-Sportscover Arena VAFA Board members, which put him at odds with the rest of the VAFA Board, who were keen to stay at Sportscover Arena for the long term).

4) Give the keys of Sportscover Arena to Elsternwick AFC, so they at last can get to play on the main oval on a fortnightly basis, rather than be treated like a second-class citizen and moved to the No.2 Oval.


Good idea hopefully this will get some momentum. The money spent on SC Arena can be well spent elsewhere

[Jascave]

The money used for Sportscover Arena could be better directed at 1)VAFA Umpires Recruitment, 2)clubs who are struggling to make ends meet (after all, not all VAFA clubs are in the same class as Old Xaverians when it comes to money & recruitment of players) so that they can be around for another 10-20 years. You wonder how much longer the VAFA can afford to keep Elsternwick Park.

In Elsternwick's Park glory days of the '70's and '80's, like the 1979 B Section Grand Final where 6000 people attended to watch AJAX play Marcellin, every game (even if it was a D Section home & away game ie Hampton Rovers v Old Haileybury) was like THE VAFA match of the day, even allowing for the flagship of VAFA football-A Section games- to be given second billing. Most clubs were falling over each other just to play games there, knowing that Elsternwick Park was the showpiece of VAFA football. Now,ask most clubs to play games there at Sportscover Arena, and the answer would be 'no thanks', ask them to play a match at Sandringham, and the answer would be 'yes please'.

Maybe Sandringham could be the new home of the VAFA, if the Sandringham Football Club, Bayside Council, AFL Victoria & the VAFA agree on the deal. Why the VAFA moved away from the Junction Oval during the 1960's, I'll never know. The VAFA had the chance of a lifetime to further promote VAFA football by being at the Junction Oval, but instead it chose to go to Elsternwick Park instead in the mid '60's.

I wonder why the VAFA does not put this issue as a poll question on its website? Surely VAFA Board members like President Nick Bourke & CEO Michael Sholly must realise that Sportscover Arena has run its race to host major VAFA games like the A Section Grand Final.

It's time for the VAFA to buck with tradition and move the B & A Sections Grand Final to Sandringham-otherwise the VAFA would let another golden opportunity slip by like they did back in the mid '60's. The VAFA has to make the move now-for the good of the VAFA as a whole.

[Lemms]

"Give the keys of Sportscover Arena to Elsternwick AFC, so they at last can get to play on the main oval on a fortnightly basis, rather than be treated like a second-class citizen and moved to the No.2 Oval."

Good on you Jas, having coached Elsternwick in the past, you have hit the nail on the head. Here we have a 100 year old club that is treated like crap by the VAFA and deserve better. As for the C sect granny this year, you're spot on.:thumbsu:

[Slay Master G]

Jas

Sandy is not the answer, too windy, not central enough for many VAFA clubs.

VicPark, Princes Park or Punt Road would be good options. As would the Junction, however I reckon Cricket Victoria would not want a football game played there 2 weeks before the first ball is bowled.

[missfinland]

Good on you Jas, having coached Elsternwick in the past, you have hit the nail on the head. Here we have a 100 year old club that is treated like crap by the VAFA and deserve better. As for the C sect granny this year, you're spot on.:thumbsu:[/quote]

Lemms, you have just about given your id away., your not one of those guys up on the hill supporting jackass that gave us a rev are you ?????

Perhaps you can give us and insight through your camrea how the rupie a looking in 2008 ?

[ultimate hater]

Jas

Sandy is not the answer, too windy, not central enough for many VAFA clubs.

VicPark, Princes Park or Punt Road would be good options. As would the Junction, however I reckon Cricket Victoria would not want a football game played there 2 weeks before the first ball is bowled.

Is it true that sandy refuse to shut down the bar whenever a vafa game is player there? including finals? If so, there is another reason the vafa wouldn't move there. Sandy don't have to shut down the bar if they don't want to, and they wouldn't because it brings in $$..

[Jascave]

What about shifting the A & B Section Grand Finals to Punt Rd Oval, Richmond, which is right next door to the MCG. Have the Grand Finals played there, then a day later put the marquees up for the AFL Grand Final.

[Slay Master G]

You're an ideas man, Jas.

To compensate for the loss of matches at Elsternwick, the D3 and D4 finals could be played there instead.

[Jascave]

I reckon that's a good idea, having D3 & D4 Grand Finals played at Sportscover Arena to compensate for the A & B Grand Finals being moved to possibly Punt Rd Oval. But the VAFA administraion MUST remain at Sportscover Arena-and that is very important. Only move the major games like the B & A Sections Grand Finals to Punt Rd Oval. It will make for a better spectacle having it at a ground where there is very little wind to speak of, and the surface of the ground is in top order. I myself for years have been calling for the VAFA to play some grand finals there at Punt Rd Oval, but the VAFA wouldn't listen. What are the pros & cons of playing the B & A Sections Grand Finals at Punt Rd, against playing those grand finals at the traditional home of the VAFA, Sportscover Arena/Elsternwick Park?

[ultimate hater]

I reckon that's a good idea, having D3 & D4 Grand Finals played at Sportscover Arena to compensate for the A & B Grand Finals being moved to possibly Punt Rd Oval. But the VAFA administraion MUST remain at Sportscover Arena-and that is very important. Only move the major games like the B & A Sections Grand Finals to Punt Rd Oval. It will make for a better spectacle having it at a ground where there is very little wind to speak of, and the surface of the ground is in top order. I myself for years have been calling for the VAFA to play some grand finals there at Punt Rd Oval, but the VAFA wouldn't listen. What are the pros & cons of playing the B & A Sections Grand Finals at Punt Rd, against playing those grand finals at the traditional home of the VAFA, Sportscover Arena/Elsternwick Park?

So will Elsternwick still be "The home of the VAFA"?

Whats the point of even having it as "the home" or even having it at all if its not going to be used by the top grades, especially during finals??

If it becomes lessed used by the premier grades of the comp, they will stop putting as much money into it and could very well start to deteriorate even more and then the whole joint will become run-down.. as they'd have to fork out money to play elsewhere wouldn't they?

Maybe you should be querying what major redevelopments could be made to the premises rather than just moving from the place.. i.e. re-shaping the ground, creating larger tree-lines, redeveloping the "grand-stand", the scoreboard, larger tuckshop with greater variety (aussie hero rolls/burgers come to mind..)

the price of entry into the ground during the finals was sky-high, surely they must be making a bit of coin out of that..

[Slay Master G]

Hater

I don't care if Elsterwich Park becomes the "Home of the local ice junkie". It's a crap hole of a football ground from both a playing and spectating perspective.

There is nothing that the VAFA could do to fix the place. It is a wind tunnel, if there is a 5 knot breeze anywhere else in Melbourne, it is 20+ knots and 5 goals at Elsternwick. How many games can you remember seeing less than 2 goals scored at one end for the entire match

The only thing I could suggest would be to erect a perimeter wall about 30 meters high to keep the wind out. Maybe a decent curator (or budget) as well!!!

I say cut your losses and hand the keys to Elsternwich AFC, they can sub-let it off the VAFA until the council lease is over. How long can our comp's greatest spectacle and product be tarnished by this place.?

[Jascave]

What about if Punt Rd Oval becomes the new home of the VAFA. As I said before, have the administration stay there but all games (with the exception of night matches) be shifted to Punt Rd Oval. I'm sure the Richmond Tigers wouldn't mind having footy played there during September. The only query is the cost of staging games at Punt Rd Oval. It'll be interesting to see what the 2007 VAFA Annual Report say about Elsternwick Park/Sportscover Arena, and what the future holds for that venue.

[bedford]

if nothing else ajax would take it over and will pay anything to get it,they would also put a lot of money into it.
the big open spaces will suit them

[Lemms]

Lemms, you have just about given your id away., your not one of those guys up on the hill supporting jackass that gave us a rev are you ?????

Perhaps you can give us and insight through your camrea how the rupie a looking in 2008 ?[/quote]

Have been spotted on the hill on occasions ! I like to leave the Rupo PR to the great Kingbrown. He is the demigod. :D

[melbdocker]

if nothing else ajax would take it over and will pay anything to get it,they would also put a lot of money into it.
the big open spaces will suit them

u have got buckleys and none of ajax doing that

[Jascave]

Maybe the VAFA could shift the B & A Sections Grand Final to TEAC Oval in Port Melbourne (because the VFL plays its Grand Final at Princes Park,or in next year's match at Telstra Dome). Like Sandringham, TEAC Oval is a VFL ground, but it doesn't rely on the social club to lure supporters, and its surface is excellent. If you guys on BigFooty were the VAFA Board, and you decided to move the B & A Sections Grand Final away from Sportscover Arena, where would the games be played at-Punt Rd Oval, TEAC Oval, Trevor Barker Oval or Moorabbin?

[Lance Burkhardt]

Maybe the VAFA could shift the B & A Sections Grand Final to TEAC Oval in Port Melbourne (because the VFL plays its Grand Final at Princes Park,or in next year's match at Telstra Dome). Like Sandringham, TEAC Oval is a VFL ground, but it doesn't rely on the social club to lure supporters, and its surface is excellent. If you guys on BigFooty were the VAFA Board, and you decided to move the B & A Sections Grand Final away from Sportscover Arena, where would the games be played at-Punt Rd Oval, TEAC Oval, Trevor Barker Oval or Moorabbin?

TEAC; albeit a great surface and place to watch footy, still suffers a stiff breeze come finals time. And despite the borough burgers being top notch, i can't see the VAFA getting use of that ground. Port would charge like a wounded bull and besides they don't need the money.

Still, TEAC would be a better option than Sandy but Moorabbin i reckon would be the pick.
Great surface, protection from the stands and great viewing, how viable this all is though, i wouldn't know.

[Plumber]

TEAC; albeit a great surface and place to watch footy, still suffers a stiff breeze come finals time. And despite the borough burgers being top notch, i can't see the VAFA getting use of that ground. Port would charge like a wounded bull and besides they don't need the money.

Still, TEAC would be a better option than Sandy but Moorabbin i reckon would be the pick.
Great surface, protection from the stands and great viewing, how viable this all is though, i wouldn't know.

Borough Burgers are massively overrated in my opinion. They use those frozen I&J patties that taste like shite. The 'Wick Burger smashes them.

[Jascave]

I reckon either Punt Rd Oval or Moorabbin would be my choices to host the B & A Section Grand Finals, however if I had a vote on the VAFA Board, I would choose Punt Rd Oval, mainly because it's in the heart of Melbourne, has great viewing areas to watch the game (such as the old grandstand), public transport is accessible (just a short walk across the road from Richmond Station) as well as car parking, surface of the ground is top notch.

[bigwaz]

I reckon either Punt Rd Oval or Moorabbin would be my choices to host the B & A Section Grand Finals, however if I had a vote on the VAFA Board, I would choose Punt Rd Oval, mainly because it's in the heart of Melbourne, has great viewing areas to watch the game (such as the old grandstand), public transport is accessible (just a short walk across the road from Richmond Station) as well as car parking, surface of the ground is top notch.

What if there is a final at the G on the same day? It would be a disaster in terms of traffic, parking, etc.

Also, the Marquee's on the pitch for the AFL GF were put up a month before the AFL GF. At $2000 a ticket, I'd say the Tigers are making a fair bit from that pre-GF breakfast.

Also, the old supporters club is being torn down soon, so it will probably be a construction site most of next season.

I haven't ever played at Sportscover, but the surface at Punt Rd wasn't exactly spectacular (bog) when we played there this year. It was fun though, and great for the spectators.

[Slay Master G]

Jas

I don't think we should stop shopping at Punt Rd..

Why don't we play the A Section GF on the Sunday at the MCG?

The AFL could use this game as a practice run for the AFL Grand Final's pre-match and half time entertainment (god knows they need an extra something, it's the same every year).

Instead of the retiring AFL players motorcade, they can have a retiring VAFA players motorcade. They could have the u/19 Premier GF as the curtain raiser starting at 6:45 am to showcase the VAFA's next generation of talent.

They could get the fastest player from every club not in the GF and have the half time sprint.

They're will be plenty of seats there, undercover as well and the wind won't be too much of a factor. The ground surface will be top notch. Plenty of public transport, car parking and a very central location.

The police could even do a practice run for patrolling ticket scalpers, they might even arrest Mick Sholly for breaching ACCC pricing rules, such is the inflated price of VAFA finals tickets. I wonder how much impact this had on yesterday's interest rate rise??

If Old Scotch play Old Melburnians, they might even fill the MCC members reserve (depending on how much snow is left at Hotham).

Do you think the AFL and MCC would give the VAFA a good deal....?

Maybe as a sweetener, we could have nude female mud wrestling at half-time to guarantee 30,000 through the gate.

What do you reckon Jas...?

[Jascave]

When you think of the relationship between the VAFA & the MCC, it may work out. Unfortunately, the AFL might play its preliminary final the night before the VAFA A Section Grand Final, and MCC groundstaff & its volunteers won't have that much time in getting the ground ready for the VAFA grand final 24 hours later. Moorabbin is the only option avaliable reasons being 1) great viewing factilites, 2) surface of the ground is very good and like Sportscover Arena they do have lights there as well.

[Slay Master G]

But Jas, how then do they do it when there is a Friday night game and then they back up there on the Saturday afternoon.? This happens about 10 rounds every season.

The MCG also has lights Jas, this is important if it's an overcast day. Perhaps the VAFA could trial a twighlight grand final for for the AFL to see if the public accepts it.

Also, Tony Ware and his curating team have the innovative super-sopper, so if it rains before the match, they will be able to clear excess moisture immediately.

Also think about how good the changerooms are at the MCG and how much the players will love it, Jas. After all, the MCG is "The People's Ground".

Surely you are now convinced Jas.

Time to start lobbying Andrew Demetriou (maybe wait til the Benny Cousins saga is over) and Stephen Gough. I reckon you might be able to get a meeting with them.

[Jascave]

Funny you should say that, I've been into the Richmond rooms while on a MCG tour, and the changerooms are three times as large as the Sportscover Arena rooms. I think if a deal could be struck between VAFA, MCC, AFL, then the A Section Grand Final at the MCG might well be possible. In fact, the VAFA would not get a better chance or opportunity to showcase VAFA football than to play the showpiece match of VAFA football, the A Section Grand Final at the 'G.

But try telling that to the VAFA Board, who are blind to the limitations of Sportscover Arena, and are extremely determined to play the B & A Sections Grand Finals at Sportscover Arena for as long as possible. While the VAFA are commended for trying to improve the state of Sporscover Arena, in reality they are fighting a losing battle.

Compare that to the NRL people, who saw the limits in having the NRL Grand Final at Aussie Stadium (formely Sydney Football Stadium) being played in front of 40,000 and moved to Telstra Stadium, where the capacity is 90,000, and the atmosphere-whether it's State of Origin rugby league, Socceroos games (remember the 2005 World Cup qualifier against Uruguay-thanks John Aloisi), Sydney Swans matches, NRL Grand Finals, and Bledisloe Cup games, plus the Sydney 2000 Olympics-is awesome.

[tiger_tuff]

Funny you should say that, I've been into the Richmond rooms while on a MCG tour, and the changerooms are three times as large as the Sportscover Arena rooms. I think if a deal could be struck between VAFA, MCC, AFL, then the A Section Grand Final at the MCG might well be possible. In fact, the VAFA would not get a better chance or opportunity to showcase VAFA football than to play the showpiece match of VAFA football, the A Section Grand Final at the 'G.

But try telling that to the VAFA Board, who are blind to the limitations of Sportscover Arena, and are extremely determined to play the B & A Sections Grand Finals at Sportscover Arena for as long as possible. While the VAFA are commended for trying to improve the state of Sporscover Arena, in reality they are fighting a losing battle.

Compare that to the NRL people, who saw the limits in having the NRL Grand Final at Aussie Stadium (formely Sydney Football Stadium) being played in front of 40,000 and moved to Telstra Stadium, where the capacity is 90,000, and the atmosphere-whether it's State of Origin rugby league, Socceroos games (remember the 2005 World Cup qualifier against Uruguay-thanks John Aloisi), Sydney Swans matches, NRL Grand Finals, and Bledisloe Cup games, plus the Sydney 2000 Olympics-is awesome.
Surely the A grade GF @ the MCG in front of a wopping 5,000 people would not compare to the atmosphere of the other major sporting events mentioned. Lets try & remain in the realms of reality...

[ultimate hater]

Surely the A grade GF @ the MCG in front of a wopping 5,000 people would not compare to the atmosphere of the other major sporting events mentioned. Lets try & remain in the realms of reality...


agreed.. this is getting WAY out of hand.. even if we did somehow miraculously gain the ability to play the A section GF at the "G", the atmosphere would be even poorer than where it is currently.. The "G" is built for massive crowds, you'd need 5,000 people rubbing shoulders to reach just around the boundary!! Not to mention how massive the playing surface is also.. no-one would have played on a ground that big all season then be expected to play the GF there?? seriously.. bit much..

is princess park still around? i remember playing there a few years ago against xavs 19's, was a good large ground with no wind...

[Lance Burkhardt]

agreed.. this is getting WAY out of hand.. even if we did somehow miraculously gain the ability to play the A section GF at the "G", the atmosphere would be even poorer than where it is currently.. The "G" is built for massive crowds, you'd need 5,000 people rubbing shoulders to reach just around the boundary!! Not to mention how massive the playing surface is also.. no-one would have played on a ground that big all season then be expected to play the GF there?? seriously.. bit much..

is princess park still around? i remember playing there a few years ago against xavs 19's, was a good large ground with no wind...

Which one :confused::confused:

[Slay Master G]

Compare that to the NRL people, who saw the limits in having the NRL Grand Final at Aussie Stadium (formely Sydney Football Stadium) being played in front of 40,000 and moved to Telstra Stadium, where the capacity is 90,000, and the atmosphere-whether it's State of Origin rugby league, Socceroos games (remember the 2005 World Cup qualifier against Uruguay-thanks John Aloisi), Sydney Swans matches, NRL Grand Finals, and Bledisloe Cup games, plus the Sydney 2000 Olympics-is awesome.

Jas

I have attended sporting events at the Olympic (Telstra) Stadium, Sydney Football Stadium (formerly Aussie Stadium) and the SCG.

The Olympic Stadium has no atmosphere at all, full or empty, it is poortly designed for spectating all sports. The only reason they play there is that it fits 30,000 more people.

It's fair to say that the VAFA Grand Final would draw more than a South Sydney vs. Melbourne Storm game.

Perhaps we could move the VAFA A Section GF to Sydney to further showcase the VAFA brand to the western Sydney market. The 2 teams involved could stay on for their footy trip.

[smudger57]

Jas

I have attended sporting events at the Olympic (Telstra) Stadium, Sydney Football Stadium (formerly Aussie Stadium) and the SCG.

The Olympic Stadium has no atmosphere at all, full or empty, it is poortly designed for spectating all sports. The only reason they play there is that it fits 30,000 more people.

It's fair to say that the VAFA Grand Final would draw more than a South Sydney vs. Melbourne Storm game.

Perhaps we could move the VAFA A Section GF to Sydney to further showcase the VAFA brand to the western Sydney market. The 2 teams involved could stay on for their footy trip.

slay, clearly you weren't there when aus qualified for the world cup in 05. biggest roar i have ever heard in my life when aloisi slotted it, and had a great view from nosebleed section! only gripe about telstra stadium is the public transport that services it. absolute disgrace.

[Jascave]

How about this for a plan. The VFL & the VAFA could have their grand finals played out over the weekend before the AFL Grand Final-at MLC Labour Park (formely known as Optus Oval). Here's how the plan would work:

SATURDAY:

-VAFA U19 Premier Grand Final
-VAFA B Section Grand Final


SUNDAY:
-VFL Reserves Grand Final (curtain raiser)
-VAFA A Section Grand Final
-VFL Grand Final

The A Section Grand Final would be played as a double-header (not a curtain-raiser) along with the VFL Grand Final, as a ideal opportunity to showcase the very best of Victorian football.

[The Tiger's Nuts]

I like it. There's the slight problem of ground markings - 45m vs 50m arcs.

But I bet there would be determined resistance from within the VFL to have the A Section GF played as a curtain raiser to the VFL reserves...

[Jascave]

Would it be better to have the VFL Reserves play on the Saturday, so we could have a 'Victorian Football Super Day'-two major grand finals-VAFA & VFL-played on the same ground on one day. The VAFA A Section Grand Final would start at 11:15am, the VFL at 2:15. Re the 50 & 45m arcs, I remember in the '80s WA football games had 50 & 25m arcs. I can't see no reason why Victorian football should try the same thing just for this day except insteasd of 50 & 45m arcs, how about 50 & 40m arcs which would make it easier. If ever there is a chance for Victorian footy to showcase all that is good about footy at grassroots level by having two major leagues playing its major grand finals (VFL & VAFA A Section Grand Finals) at the same ground on the same day-this is it.

[Brain drain]

Would it be better to have the VFL Reserves play on the Saturday, so we could have a 'Victorian Football Super Day'-two major grand finals-VAFA & VFL-played on the same ground on one day. The VAFA A Section Grand Final would start at 11:15am, the VFL at 2:15. Re the 50 & 45m arcs, I remember in the '80s WA football games had 50 & 25m arcs. I can't see no reason why Victorian football should try the same thing just for this day except insteasd of 50 & 45m arcs, how about 50 & 40m arcs which would make it easier. If ever there is a chance for Victorian footy to showcase all that is good about footy at grassroots level by having two major leagues playing its major grand finals (VFL & VAFA A Section Grand Finals) at the same ground on the same day-this is it.

What are the odds on this one coming to fruition Jase?

C'mon - surely you can give us value at $1.01.

Personally, I'd frame it at $1,000,000,000,000,000/1

Though the 40m and 50m arcs concept has true merit.......

[Jascave]

It wouldn't be a bad idea to have 45m & 25m arcs for VAFA football. After all, if WA football can have 50m & 25m arcs, why not VAFA football, but 5m shorter in regards to the longer arc? Actullay just thinking now, there might be a problem with VAFA & VFL having their grand finals at the same ground-where to play the B & A Sections Reserves Grand Finals?

[harper]

Would it be better to have the VFL Reserves play on the Saturday, so we could have a 'Victorian Football Super Day'-two major grand finals-VAFA & VFL-played on the same ground on one day. The VAFA A Section Grand Final would start at 11:15am, the VFL at 2:15. Re the 50 & 45m arcs, I remember in the '80s WA football games had 50 & 25m arcs. I can't see no reason why Victorian football should try the same thing just for this day except insteasd of 50 & 45m arcs, how about 50 & 40m arcs which would make it easier. If ever there is a chance for Victorian footy to showcase all that is good about footy at grassroots level by having two major leagues playing its major grand finals (VFL & VAFA A Section Grand Finals) at the same ground on the same day-this is it.

How about splitting the difference and and having a 47 and a 1/2 metre arc.

Jas, it may be time to accept that until the VAFA becomes a serious feeder comp for the AFL no other league under the AFL Victoria banner including Andy and his AFL mates will give a sh1t where or when the A section granny is played. They simply don't care!

[Scribe]

Jase - please, PLEASE, PLEASE.

LET IT GO. :cool:

[Chazz M Michaels]

Na keep it coming Jas!! I love reading you're posts they're very entertaining.

Jascave IS the home of the VAFA! BOOM!

[Slay Master G]

Jas

Why don't they play the VAFA A Section Grand Final in the UK? Maybe at the Oval, like where they have the AFL exhibition matches.

This would help with developing the game internationally.

[Jascave]

Irrespective of where the A Section Grand Final is played at, one other point must remain non-negotiable-Give the keys of Sportscover Arena back to its rightful owners, Elsternwick AFC. As I said before, the Wickers have been treated like a second class citizen,and are forced to use the no.2 oval. Try counting on one hand the number of games Elsternwick AFC have played on the main oval. It's a little bit like the AFL forcing the Kangaroos to get off Arden St and play on the Gold Coast. Elsternwick would be happy I'm sure, to not only play there on a fortnightly basis but also to work with whichever club that doesn't have a home ground to play on and have to use Sportscover Arena for a period of time.

[YackTalk]

I dont see why we need to invest $$$$ in Elsternwick Park.

I believe most of the A/B Grade clubs would prefer to have a home game at home not at Elsternwick Park.

The VAFA Admin can re-locate to offices somewhere.

I reckon the only reason the Ammos admin want Elsternwick Park, is so they can watch some decent amateur football from their ivory towers ie. the facilities upstairs while sucking back their beers.

[can't mark can't kick]

Irrespective of where the A Section Grand Final is played at, one other point must remain non-negotiable-Give the keys of Sportscover Arena back to its rightful owners, Elsternwick AFC. As I said before, the Wickers have been treated like a second class citizen,and are forced to use the no.2 oval. Try counting on one hand the number of games Elsternwick AFC have played on the main oval. It's a little bit like the AFL forcing the Kangaroos to get off Arden St and play on the Gold Coast. Elsternwick would be happy I'm sure, to not only play there on a fortnightly basis but also to work with whichever club that doesn't have a home ground to play on and have to use Sportscover Arena for a period of time.

Rightful owners?
Elsternwick have never had possession of the main oval.
before the VAFA moved there the ground belonged to Brighton FC
so the truth of the matter is that the situation has no resemblance to North being forced to go on a permanent Schoolies week.
Time to let go Jase.
now where that complete C Section fixture Dermie asked for?
and can we have fixtures for A, B & D1 as well please.