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A Living God

2nd November 2007, 15:15

Compare the potenial draws of the Gold Coast Kangaroos and the North Melbourne Kangaroos for 2009

Gold Coast
10 home game @ Carrara
1 home game @ Gabba (vs Brisbane)
1 away games @ Gabba
7 away games @ TD/MCG
3 away games @ SCG/AMMI/Subbi

North Melbourne:
7 home game @ TD
4 home game @ Carrara
4 away games @ SCG/AMMI/Subbi
3 away games @ TD
1 away games @ SS
1 away games @ AS
1 away games @ MO

Gold Coast:
7 games in Melbourne
Financial Stabilty
Guaranteed Future

North Melbourne:
10 games in Melbourne
In Debt
Future depedant on restructure of AFL funds in 2010

dom_105

2nd November 2007, 15:25

Father Jack

2nd November 2007, 15:28

Yeah, there's real stability in a market where professional sporting teams in every national sporting league in Australia (apart from the A-League) have failed and failed spectacularly, including the AFL.

Because the Bears moved to the city they were named for in 1993 that means that the GC will never be able to support a team? The RL side seems to be doing okay after their previous attempt went pear-shaped in the post-Superleague era.

Is 'history' the only argument in favour of North staying in Melbourne?

campbell

2nd November 2007, 15:29

Yeah, there's real stability in a market where professional sporting teams in every national sporting league in Australia (apart from the A-League) have failed and failed spectacularly, including the AFL.

The Bears were a long time ago on the coast. they were called the Brisbane Bears, not the Gold Coast bears. its all about ownership of the brand locally.

The Bears moved to the Gabba in 1991( i think thats when it was ), thats 16 years ago now. The Coast has grown massively in that time.

The new Titans are doing very well, though. The time is right for a new club on the coast. Whether that be the roos or a brand new franchise called the Gold Coast something.

dom_105

2nd November 2007, 16:21

The Bears were a long time ago on the coast. they were called the Brisbane Bears, not the Gold Coast bears. its all about ownership of the brand locally.

The Bears moved to the Gabba in 1991( i think thats when it was ), thats 16 years ago now. The Coast has grown massively in that time.

The new Titans are doing very well, though. The time is right for a new club on the coast. Whether that be the roos or a brand new franchise called the Gold Coast something.

While the history of the Bears doesn't mean that any new Gold Coast franchise/North Melbourne will be a failure, some questions need to be asked on how a club can sustain itself on the Gold Coast for the longer term.

How is the Queensland State League travelling?
How successful are the clubs within that league off the field - especially the Gold Coast based clubs?
What's the attendance average for the league, and the Gold Coast clubs in particular?
How many kids play Australian Football on the Gold Coast?
How long will it take for the Gold Coast based AFL club to be self-sufficient?
How many memberships will this take for the above to become a reality?
How many members could the Kangaroos attract on the Gold Coast?
How many members do the Kangaroos have on the Gold Coast?
How many members do other clubs have on the Gold Coast?
How many "Special Gold Coast Memberships" did the AFL sell this year?
How many tickets were brought for Carrara games, rather than given away?
Is it worth the money to invest in this market?
Why did the AFL knock back advances from Southport for 10 years about the prospect of a Southport AFL club. Why is it only now on the agenda?
What is it going to cost the other clubs in terms of draft picks/players/revenue?
What impact will this have on the Brisbane Lions?
What impact will the Gold Coast Titans have on a Gold Coast AFL club's corporate/general support?
And, most importantly, what happens if North Melbourne move up there, and it's a disaster?

These, and many questions need to be answered before the notion of a Gold Coast AFL club can be taken seriously. Where are the reports/market research/planning that says that the Gold Coast is the right direction for the AFL?

All we have is the fact that Demetriou thinks it's a great idea, and in typical Oakley-esque fashion he has given North Melbourne 30 days to make the biggest decision in the history of that club.

The whole process seems wrong.

Captain Afterworld

2nd November 2007, 16:26

How is the Queensland State League travelling?

Big whoop. Virtually no one turns up to state league games in the established states anyway.

A Living God

2nd November 2007, 16:40

Yeah, there's real stability in a market where professional sporting teams in every national sporting league in Australia (apart from the A-League) have failed and failed spectacularly, including the AFL.
Their stability because they will be able to obtain a long term agreement from the AFL in terms of AFL support.

Whats more important is the number of games in Melbourne for Gold Coast vs North Melbourne. Staying as a Melbourne based club would only give them 3 or 4 more games a year in Melbourne if the Kangaroos could secure an agreement to play all games vs Vic sides in Melbourne.
While in Melbourne North Melbourne's away games verus Geelong will always be in Geelong, their away game vs Hawthorn will be Tasmania. This is not just what the AFL wants, its what Hawthorn and Geelong want.

dom_105

2nd November 2007, 16:56

Big whoop. Virtually no one turns up to state league games in the established states anyway.

Because they all have AFL teams to follow in Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia.

I can't accept Demetriou's vision that there are thousands of men, women and children standing around all with a footy tucked under their arm waiting to call an AFL side their own, if support and crowds for the state league is shithouse.

RooBoy72

2nd November 2007, 17:47

While the history of the Bears doesn't mean that any new Gold Coast franchise/North Melbourne will be a failure, some questions need to be asked on how a club can sustain itself on the Gold Coast for the longer term.

How is the Queensland State League travelling?
How successful are the clubs within that league off the field - especially the Gold Coast based clubs?
What's the attendance average for the league, and the Gold Coast clubs in particular?
How many kids play Australian Football on the Gold Coast?
How long will it take for the Gold Coast based AFL club to be self-sufficient?
How many memberships will this take for the above to become a reality?
How many members could the Kangaroos attract on the Gold Coast?
How many members do the Kangaroos have on the Gold Coast?
How many members do other clubs have on the Gold Coast?
How many "Special Gold Coast Memberships" did the AFL sell this year?
How many tickets were brought for Carrara games, rather than given away?
Is it worth the money to invest in this market?
Why did the AFL knock back advances from Southport for 10 years about the prospect of a Southport AFL club. Why is it only now on the agenda?
What is it going to cost the other clubs in terms of draft picks/players/revenue?
What impact will this have on the Brisbane Lions?
What impact will the Gold Coast Titans have on a Gold Coast AFL club's corporate/general support?
And, most importantly, what happens if North Melbourne move up there, and it's a disaster?

These, and many questions need to be answered before the notion of a Gold Coast AFL club can be taken seriously. Where are the reports/market research/planning that says that the Gold Coast is the right direction for the AFL?

All we have is the fact that Demetriou thinks it's a great idea, and in typical Oakley-esque fashion he has given North Melbourne 30 days to make the biggest decision in the history of that club.

The whole process seems wrong.

Bang on Dom. North supporter know they are in the midst of tough times, and if this whole relocation proposal was handled with a modicum of respect for NMFC and with some salient reasoning as to why this was the best option for the club, there may be some more reasonable consideration of the proposal amongst us, but the way it has been handled is a personal insult to any true North supporter and - hopefully - to those charged with taking care of the club and as custodians of its rich 138 year history. The AFL - while flushed with cash - is acting like the most reprehensible 'business' in the Australian commercial environment. Speculation and hype-driven "hunch-reasoning" is not the basis to destroy one of the oldest Australian Rules clubs in the nation, and one that has made enormous contributions to the development of the AFL as it is today.