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Roos short on cap
Caroline Wilson | November 3, 2007
THE Kangaroos are paying their players below the AFL's stipulated salary-cap requirements and have reneged on a pledge to plunge an extra $500,000 into their cash-strapped football department.
As the club continues to negotiate a potential relocation package to the Gold Coast with the AFL despite a 50-50 board split on the question of the club's future, frustrated AFL insiders have revealed that the Kangaroos' financial crisis remains so desperate that the required 92.5 per cent of total player payments required by the league have not been met despite funding from the league. It is believed that the 2007 total player payments were closer to 90 per cent.
While several AFL clubs yesterday voiced some concern at the prospect of a 17th club, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou and his commission have been working privately on the unlikely prospect of a 17th licence and are believed to have a potential consortium in place, which already conditionally has raised $60 million.
Tigers president Gary March said yesterday the clubs would have to approve a new club licence. Swans chairman Richard Colless warned again that Sydney could not afford a second team, a reference to Demetriou's threat to set up an 18th club based in western Sydney.
Despite coach Dean Laidley's insistence upon a $500,000 injection into the club's under-resourced football department and the club's commitment to that, The Age believes that Laidley's overstretched staff will receive only an estimated 75 per cent of that next season.
The pro-Arden Street group on the board includes James Brayshaw and Ron Joseph and is trying to recruit Shinboner of the century Glenn Archer onto the board, while the pro-Gold Coast faction, which is believed to include shareholders Andrew Carter and John McGowan, has looked at Mark Dawson among potential allies.
Yesterday, Carter, McGowan and fellow directors Joseph and Stephen Head held talks for several hours with the AFL's Gold Coast subcommittee headed by Gill McLachlan in a bid to come to terms with full details of the AFL package. It includes eradication of the club's $4.25 million debt and a temporary Gold Coast zone, priority draft picks and a profitable new stadium deal along with bonuses for Melbourne-based members.
Laidley, who signed a new two-year contract last month, resumes pre-season training with his group of players on Monday and is believed to have a stipulation in his new deal insisting on 95 per cent of total players payments by the middle of 2008. Should the club refuse to commit to the 95 per cent figure, Laidley has a contractual clause that would allow him to quit the club mid-season.
Given the Kangaroos' perilous finances, a reality put to the club again by the AFL three days ago, the 95 per cent salary-cap demand is effectively a Gold Coast clause.
McGowan refused to give details of yesterday's AFL negotiations, describing the meeting as "fine".
Lies. Pure Lies.
It has been confirmed on a number of occasions that we paid 92.5% - plus finals bonuses.
More crud from the AFL propaganda machine.
Shinboner Spirit, Est. 1869
Caroline Wilson - Minister for Propaganda
ChrisFooty
4 Nov 2007, 01:16
She is obsessed about the whole Kangaroos/Gold Coast issue.
She is obsessed about the whole Kangaroos/Gold Coast issue.
She has got a hatred of certain teams & will make up any crap she can to bag them, Roos being one & the Bombers another. :mad:
If this were true the salary cap hen why havn't the AFL charged North with breaching the salary cap rules?
Why because its garbage.
You give it a couple of weeks and it will be fact that
1- The AFL provides 70% on Norths income and
2 - North are not paying 92.5%
The real story should be the incompetence of other clubs who are paying 100% and yet acheiving only a handful of wins.
Isn't paying your staff the least you get anyway good business practice. If you have a given list of players how is paying an extra 10% more for that same group players good business practice.
If this were true the salary cap hen why havn't the AFL charged North with breaching the salary cap rules?
Why because its garbage.
You give it a couple of weeks and it will be fact that
1- The AFL provides 70% on Norths income and
2 - North are not paying 92.5%
The real story should be the incompetence of other clubs who are paying 100% and yet acheiving only a handful of wins.
Isn't paying your staff the least you get anyway good business practice. If you have a given list of players how is paying an extra 10% more for that same group players good business practice.
Players/staff expect pay rises when they perform better, if they dont get them they leave and then you have a shit team again.
The Teflon Dean
4 Nov 2007, 13:32
A disgrace to journalism and most professional women, in general.:thumbsd:
Caroline Wilson doesnt just make things up though, she reports what she hears from her sources, she has had many big scoops in the past.
AngelEyes
4 Nov 2007, 13:49
The Kangaroos need some balls.
IF these facts are untrue then maybe they should correct them.
The Kangaroos are just as much to blame as Caroline Wilson if they don't correct them.
The Teflon Dean
4 Nov 2007, 13:49
Caroline Wilson doesnt just make things up though, she reports what she hears from her sources, she has had many big scoops in the past.
Oh really?
How come we haven't packed up and gone to the Gold Coast with big happy smiles on our faces then?:rolleyes:
She is the Mills and Boon of sports journalism. A lightweight throwaway hack and a millstone for present and future female sports journalists.:thumbsu:
AngelEyes
4 Nov 2007, 13:51
Lies. Pure Lies.
It has been confirmed on a number of occasions that we paid 92.5% - plus finals bonuses.
More crud from the AFL propaganda machine.
Shinboner Spirit, Est. 1869
Doesn't the AFL play all finals bonuses? I.e. All of Geelong's players were paid their finals appearance money from the AFL.
Your source is hardly any better than hers. She may well be telling the truth.
Oh really?
How come we haven't packed up and gone to the Gold Coast with big happy smiles on our faces then?:rolleyes:
She is the Mills and Boon of sports journalism. A lightweight throwaway hack and a millstone for present and future female sports journalists.:thumbsu:
When has she said they would do that?
Doesn't the AFL play all finals bonuses? I.e. All of Geelong's players were paid their finals appearance money from the AFL.
Your source is hardly any better than hers. She may well be telling the truth.
No, he is talking about performance incentives in player contracts which include a bonus for making various finals, this is outside of the AFL nickel and dime bonus for playing in the finals.
bomberboy5
5 Nov 2007, 11:29
A press release from NMFC confiriming the actual percentage paid would kill this issue in two seconds.
Silence makes the article look true and I will believe it until NMFC confirm otherwise.
If this were true the salary cap hen why havn't the AFL charged North with breaching the salary cap rules?
Why because its garbage.
.
Or the AFL would be fining them selves?
Doesn't the AFL play all finals bonuses? I.e. All of Geelong's players were paid their finals appearance money from the AFL.
Your source is hardly any better than hers. She may well be telling the truth.
I think the AFL allow clubs to pay over Sally Cap bonuses for finals and GF wins
Adelaide Hawk
5 Nov 2007, 11:44
A press release from NMFC confiriming the actual percentage paid would kill this issue in two seconds.
Silence makes the article look true and I will believe it until NMFC confirm otherwise.
That's a good point. A number of times I've seen clubs allowing a rumour to gather momentum before eventually refuting them. I've never understood why clubs do this, perhaps they're just tired of having to deal with all the crap from over-zealous blow hards like Wilson who think they are more important than the game itself.
I don't know if she's right or wrong, but the fact is, we hear more detail about the situation from her than we do from the North Board and supporters.
As I said in another thread, I, and other potential supporters want to know the situation, and some details of a plan that will provide a long term solution to staying before commiting my time and money to help the roos.
All we get is people shouting down those who say it wont happen and promises that 'the finances are good' and 'there is a plan'....
Hiding it all only contributes to the doubts and means people, like me, start to assume the worst and listen to those who do provide information.
I believe that what needs to be said to the North board and supporters is "Put up or shut up".
I don't know if she's right or wrong, but the fact is, we hear more detail about the situation from her than we do from the North Board and supporters.
Thats the clincher surely the Board would release figures disputing Caroline and much more importantly Vlad's accusations
The Silence is deafening
The Teflon Dean
5 Nov 2007, 13:15
Thats the clincher surely the Board would release figures disputing Caroline and much more importantly Vlad's accusations
The Silence is deafening
Who is Caroline Wilson and for that matter who are you?
We don't have to release figures for anything or anybody.
We don't dance to the tune of the organ Grinder.
Who is Caroline Wilson and for that matter who are you?
We don't have to release figures for anything or anybody.
We don't dance to the tune of the organ Grinder.
Thats why I said much more importantly Vlad; 70% of funding from the AFL etc
Like it or not your in a Public Relations exercise and your losing badly on the perceived viability front
All this PR is killing you
We don't have to release figures for anything or anybody.
I note you ignored my post and went for the easier target..
As I said...If you want support, show that it'll do some good.
Don't release anything, and accept that others will accept the information provided by others as fact, assume that relocation ( or club death ) is inevitable and (regretfully) wave you goodbye while putting our time and money elsewhere.
You're right, you don't have to do anything, but accept the consequences of not doing so.
The Teflon Dean
5 Nov 2007, 13:54
I note you ignored my post and went for the easier target..
On the contrary, an easier target would be hard to find.:thumbsu:
I ignored your post because you are a troll goose.:thumbsu:
Scotland
5 Nov 2007, 14:05
Lies. Pure Lies.
It has been confirmed on a number of occasions that we paid 92.5% - plus finals bonuses.
More crud from the AFL propaganda machine.
Shinboner Spirit, Est. 1869
A whole Caro article, and I didn't come across a single 'The Age believes'.
Mark this one down as a first.:D
On the contrary, an easier target would be hard to find.:thumbsu:
I ignored your post because you are a troll goose.:thumbsu:
Asking for the facts is trolling?
Asking for the facts is trolling?
Allegedly :rolleyes:
But you're right, the way some Roos fans are acting here with half begging people to buy a membership and half acting and replying so arrogantly is amazing. With a club in such dire straights that they have to beg "footy fans" to cough up for a Roos membership to stay afloat, I'd be a touch more "gentle" with my replies, but alas, this is not the case a lot of the time. :thumbsd:
LMFAO.
I love how anything that is anti North Melbourne is deemed as propganda from the AFL by the Roos fans. You guys pout a smile on my face every day
LMFAO.
I love how anything that is anti North Melbourne is deemed as propganda from the AFL by the Roos fans. You guys pout a smile on my face every day
It's an interesting point though. If we've breached the rules how come we haven't been charged? And if there was a reason for not charging us what was the reson for publicising it?
Not everything you hear from a league official has to be the gospel truth, ask some old Fitzroy supporters.
I'd love Caro to attack Wallace. She's had a go at Miller in the past but that's about how far it goes. 2 finals appearances in 25 years for her beloved tigers. Attacking the way Carlton is run... she forgets who her father was, a ruthless leader of the tigers. Bent all the rules, but has the balls to attack other clubs. She's had agenda with Carlton ever since Sticks told her what he thinks about her. She's also got it in for the Kangas big time.
It's ok to write an article or two about how shit the club is, but she tends to do it on a daily basis, while whatever is done down at punt road doesn't get mentioned. Stupid mole.