Sewell v Lewis. Who is the genuine insider?

[Blasé]

Often you see the threads on the main AFL site, where the comparisons of rival clubs player is begun, and then you see endless battles, and trolling galore.

However, we never measure our own players against one another. It's somewhat kind of cruel, or difficult to measure your club's players, and I believe that, but this particular one between these two players has often bugged me.

Basically, Sewell plays his role better than Lewis.

Sewell is a genuine hard in and under footballer. He has to be, he doesn't have a great deal of polish, so has worked on his best attributes: work rate and hardness. Of course his skills have become better, and his reading the game improved, but his work rate is uncomparable. The other assets that have come from that are his speed, stamina and endurance are very high.

Lewis to me, from his first year, has shown he can read the game, and accumulate posessions, and was fairly tough. Yet over the years, I really only think his tank has increased, which allowed him to cover more ground and accumulate higher posessions that are noticeable. He is a left foot kick, yet not particularly a reliable kick. And quite often when I'm seeing him get posesions, it's normally uncontested marks. If he was to have a ton of pace and a great kick, then I wouldn't mind, but he really isn't overly damaging to the opposition. What he is known for is his toughness, yet I don't see him in stop play's very often during the game.

What I'm getting at, is that Sewell has played to his strength's, and get's to stop play's, where Lewis doesn't, and yet his pace is far less than Sewell's.

I'm aware that Lewis is younger, but in terms of midfielders, they normally mature 3 years in.

As far as value to the team, Sewell is so far ahead with what he offers.

Lewis, can still improve to play his role of being a genuine insider by focusing on his strengths, but if people continually praise him for playing as a receiver, we're gonna be in strife.

[Line in the Sand]

Often you see the threads on the main AFL site, where the comparisons of rival clubs player is begun, and then you see endless battles, and trolling galore.

However, we never measure our own players against one another. It's somewhat kind of cruel, or difficult to measure your club's players, and I believe that, but this particular one between these two players has often bugged me.

Basically, Sewell plays his role better than Lewis.

Sewell is a genuine hard in and under footballer. He has to be, he doesn't have a great deal of polish, so has worked on his best attributes: work rate and hardness. Of course his skills have become better, and his reading the game improved, but his work rate is uncomparable. The other assets that have come from that are his speed, stamina and endurance are very high.

Lewis to me, from his first year, has shown he can read the game, and accumulate posessions, and was fairly tough. Yet over the years, I really only think his tank has increased, which allowed him to cover more ground and accumulate higher posessions that are noticeable. He is a left foot kick, yet not particularly a reliable kick. And quite often when I'm seeing him get posesions, it's normally uncontested marks. If he was to have a ton of pace and a great kick, then I wouldn't mind, but he really isn't overly damaging to the opposition. What he is known for is his toughness, yet I don't see him in stop play's very often during the game.

What I'm getting at, is that Sewell has played to his strength's, and get's to stop play's, where Lewis doesn't, and yet his pace is far less than Sewell's.

I'm aware that Lewis is younger, but in terms of midfielders, they normally mature 3 years in.

As far as value to the team, Sewell is so far ahead with what he offers.

Lewis, can still improve to play his role of being a genuine insider by focusing on his strengths, but if people continually praise him for playing as a receiver, we're gonna be in strife.

Love your idea of comparing players within our team. At first i thougth we were way off the mark with Lewis, however the more i think about it the more it does make sence. Lewis has always had a bit of 'puppy' fat on him, he still does to some degree however this year he did lose that fat arse of his. As a result we say his possision count skyrocket. So i think his aerobic capacity has improved and will continue to as you said. If he could hurt teams more with his possessions or kick a few goals that is ideal.

For some reaosn all Rookies have this grunt or dog in them that i just love. Sewell and McGlynn would run infront of a bus if the ball was there. Lewis to a less degree has it but still has it in him. Would never not run back with the flight of the ball. I saw Ellis do the same one match and i loved it.

Another point is how many midfields take contested marks? How many do forward take these days? Our game play is to run the ball and if we do get held up kick it to a free leading man.

In terms of inside midfields we have the king of all of them in Sammy. Sewell, Mcglynn and Lewis all love to play in deep in the packs. We all know we have a shortage of speed and outside running players. Lets hope Ellis can add to that over the next few years with a bit of pace which he showed at draft camp. Weither Lewis could play outside? Who knows? Clint and Changa are doing fine but need some back up.

[mulhollanddrive]

Sewell by a country mile this year.

Lewis played 80% on the wings. Sewell in the 2nd half of the year was in the centre square as much as anyone.

Thats based on this year's matches. I have no doubt that if we didnt have Hodge/Mitchell, that Lewis would be a top 5-6 extractor as well.

He filled in, agiainst North when Mitchell was out in the middle and got 5-6 clearences (about what Mitchell averages).

Regardless, i was surprised with Lewis ability to get free ball in space, never rated him as a runner, each has flexibility in what they are able to do.

[DynamoUltra]

Lewis is the best wing/forward flank in our team and is often under rated by opposition coaches and players. The number of times he gets free forward of the centre is amazing.

[Roberiquez]

Love your idea of comparing players within our team. At first i thougth we were way off the mark with Lewis, however the more i think about it the more it does make sence. Lewis has always had a bit of 'puppy' fat on him, he still does to some degree however this year he did lose that fat arse of his. As a result we say his possision count skyrocket. So i think his aerobic capacity has improved and will continue to as you said. If he could hurt teams more with his possessions or kick a few goals that is ideal.

For some reaosn all Rookies have this grunt or dog in them that i just love. Sewell and McGlynn would run infront of a bus if the ball was there. Lewis to a less degree has it but still has it in him. Would never not run back with the flight of the ball. I saw Ellis do the same one match and i loved it.

Another point is how many midfields take contested marks? How many do forward take these days? Our game play is to run the ball and if we do get held up kick it to a free leading man.

In terms of inside midfields we have the king of all of them in Sammy. Sewell, Mcglynn and Lewis all love to play in deep in the packs. We all know we have a shortage of speed and outside running players. Lets hope Ellis can add to that over the next few years with a bit of pace which he showed at draft camp. Weither Lewis could play outside? Who knows? Clint and Changa are doing fine but need some back up.

Cambell Brown would maul said bus and stare down anything else!

[B&GBlood]

I wish to challange one point. Lewis is probably as good a contested mark as we have in the team. His strength overhead is very good and he usually outbodies his opponent.

Each year he has improved his possession tally and I actually think his kicking is very good. He had some brain farts in the semi V Adelaide though.

Given we just watched his third year I would say he is doing very well.

Sewell love him too; and he was able to create while tagging this year, his pace is important when matching up some of the games speedier players.

This is where I think the too really differ. Lewis doesn't have the pace to be a tagger like Sewell or perhaps quite the desparation. Sewell doen't read the game like Lewis nor does he have the foot skills or marking ability.

[Cynic]

As everyone else has correctly pointed out Sewell is a far better inside midfielder than Lewis.

It is interesting that physically you'd expect this to be reversed.

[TBoyleSuperstar]

I wish to challange one point. Lewis is probably as good a contested mark as we have in the team. His strength overhead is very good and he usually outbodies his opponent.

Each year he has improved his possession tally and I actually think his kicking is very good. He had some brain farts in the semi V Adelaide though.

Given we just watched his third year I would say he is doing very well.

Sewell love him too; and he was able to create while tagging this year, his pace is important when matching up some of the games speedier players.

This is where I think the too really differ. Lewis doesn't have the pace to be a tagger like Sewell or perhaps quite the desparation. Sewell doen't read the game like Lewis nor does he have the foot skills or marking ability.

Lewis is better overhead, whereas Sewell gives us flexibility in the midfield in that he can tag and get the ball himself. I think we are seeing the development of a very very strong midfield, as with these guys backing up the likes of Hodge, Mitchell and Crawf, we've got to be happy.

[noosa hawk mad]

I wish to challange one point. Lewis is probably as good a contested mark as we have in the team. His strength overhead is very good and he usually outbodies his opponent.

Each year he has improved his possession tally and I actually think his kicking is very good. He had some brain farts in the semi V Adelaide though.

Given we just watched his third year I would say he is doing very well.

Sewell love him too; and he was able to create while tagging this year, his pace is important when matching up some of the games speedier players.

This is where I think the too really differ. Lewis doesn't have the pace to be a tagger like Sewell or perhaps quite the desparation. Sewell doen't read the game like Lewis nor does he have the foot skills or marking ability.Poeple forget Lewis was no 1 in marks this year & had more possessions than anyone at Hawthorn.Back to the question Sewell would be the genuine insider just shading Lewis at the moment,great at dishing off when being tackled, & great pace.Lewis has also played forward in patches & kicked goals ,needs to harness his agression at the ball and improve his decision making still only young would say Lewis would be as hard as Sewell if not harder.Love em both good thread Blase :thumbsu:

[hawkstars]

Both great but I think Sewell the genuine insider. His second and third efforts are unbelievable. Go Hawks!

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Sewell more the insider, Lewis the accumulator.

[Concrete boots]

Answer: Sewell.

Why?

Lewis is NOT required to play as a genuine insider by the coaching staff. He has an uncanny knack of getting free of his opponent and running into space (often in the corridor) to receive. He is considerably taller and larger than Sewell, and hence is a better contested mark.

Why bother making this comparison? It's like compring Buddy and Mark Williams simply because they both play in the forward line.

Different players, different roles.

[alfonzo]

I agree with most points made: Lewis a terrific runner and great overhead for his size and sewell very strong in the tackle and sometimes brilliant by hand in tight. Both very hard. Both competent, but lacking in class by foot. Lewis could also be very good playing inside role but with Sewell, sammy, hodge and others, he doesn't get much opportunity and he's been good enough to carve a niche for himself on a wing/flank using his running and reading and marking.

But I'd like to raise a query about lewis. He's great at getting the ball but in some matches I've seen him cut up defensively and his lack of pace has been exposed. I remember it particularly against syd in melb, where admittedly a few of our boys were exposed. Am I being too hard on him or have others seen that also?

The other guy who leaves me tearing my hair out with his lack of strong tackling is boyla. Otherwise I'd say we're a fairly accountable team.

(my first post! Can't wait for it to start again. Esp to see more of the beau's, thorpes, tucks, kennedys, murphys, baileys and hopefully ellis to another level.)

[croady_fan24]

This year? Sewell.

[crawf_legend]

Sewell. Sewell has been a more valuable team member than Lewis. Lewis has to learn to control his temper but he is a top player. Sewell is just better.

[markr]

Earlier in the year there was a stat in one of the papers saying that Lewis lead the competition for clearances per stoppage participated in. Basically if Lewis took part in a stoppage he was more likely to win the clearance than any other player in the AFL. People are really undertating how good he is as an inside player. It's just that this year he had the fitness to move around more, and with a bunch of other good players inside players he was used around the ground more.

Also possibly the best 1 on 1 contested mark out of our midfielders behind Hodge. I lost count of the number of times he lead out to the wing, and the kick to him was slow and high so that he was under pressure when it arrived, but he still came down with the ball.

[cschreuder61]

Lewis has the ability to be a really consistent inside midfielder. Just knows how to get his hands to the ball, and once he gets it, manages to feed it out to his team-mates. I think he has lots of upside to become a really good inside player. His first half of the year was brilliant, and he was in All Australian type territory.

Sewell was better over the entire season, but Lewis showed what he is capable of. Has come on very quickly for a midfield player, especially someone who wasn't blessed with athletic ability before he came, more we have slowly turned him into an athlete by working him hard on the track.

Both have ability to play different roles, Sewell can go back and take a small forward, or tag a dangerous runner, as well as being an offensive inside midfielder.

Lewis can go forward, and is smart around goals, along with a great pair of hands, his marking is very very good. Also could end up a very consistent inside midfielder. We are blessed with hard bodies around the ball, as well as with talls and rucks at the moment, which gives our side great back-bone and really something to build around.

[Blasé]

Apologies for not getting back sooner on this subject I begun, but I just wanted to wrap it up.

Many thanks for those who have responded and given their opinions.

However, I remain undetered on Lewis: he needs to get to more stop play's to utilise his strengths.

I reiterate, he hasn't the polish to finish or kick goals often per game, and his pace is very ordinary.

He just has to get to more stop play's. As someone has given evidence, even if he magiacally finds space in front of the ball (in other words a receiver), he doesn't do enough damage to hurt the opposition, and he then has an opponent that will be by himsefl on the rebound. As well, for the hundredth time, accumulating posessions does not mean anything if you don't hurt the opposition.

I also read that he isn't required, or doesn't get the opportunity to play on the ball because of Sam, hodge and sewell - but what happens when they get tagged and taken out of the game, because that's what happens when you play very good teams, you need quality backup to step in a start getting clearances.

That was one of Geelong's key strength's in a dominant year, having pletny of midfielders that could win their own ball - making tagging for an opposition very difficult. You only need to look at the GF, Ablett was well tagged by Cornes, and Cassisi did well on Bartel, yet Geelong crushed them from the start having plenty of backup.

As I said, if people keep praising Lewis for getting heaps of uncontested posessions, we're gonna really struggle building a strong midfield.

[Davo23]

However, I remain undetered on Lewis: he needs to get to more stop play's to utilise his strengths.

As I said, if people keep praising Lewis for getting heaps of uncontested posessions, we're gonna really struggle building a strong midfield.


Is your agenda to rip into Jordan Lewis?
If so, you've done it well.

Perhaps the coaching staff has a plan that doesn't require Lewis to be in and under at stoppages, but to create a loose man? They may actually have a role for Jordan!

You know, there is a possibility that the coaches know a little more about these things than some random BigFooty expert?


D23

[FriarTuck]

Sewell is better at one on one contests. He just wants the ball.

Lewis is better at reading the play and finding the footy.

The way these two have developed is nothing short of sensational.

[Hodge2Franklin]

Full of shit as usual I see Blase, and conveniently blurting out the obvious without consideration of some important facts.

Sewell had his best season of his career and is much older, whilst Lewis is just finding his feet, but is still already a great player.

Sewell was asked to play a tagging / inside midfielder role, whilst Lewis was asked to play a more running / forward role. The coaches want to get miles into Lewis' legs and also look after him a bit whilst he is still young because he has a heap of courage.

[Blasé]

Full of shit as usual I see Blase, and conveniently blurting out the obvious without consideration of some important facts.

Sewell had his best season of his career and is much older, whilst Lewis is just finding his feet, but is still already a great player.

Sewell was asked to play a tagging / inside midfielder role, whilst Lewis was asked to play a more running / forward role. The coaches want to get miles into Lewis' legs and also look after him a bit whilst he is still young because he has a heap of courage.

Moderators, I have had a lot less insults thrown at me that have had them penalised, and yet H2F has some kind of wacky membership of this fanatical fan club which allows him to throw any insult he wants at me. I bet if I were to put him in his place, with some reasonable criticisms, that I would be definitely penalised.

H2F, as per usual you have just reinforced that you can hear (see) only your own opinions, without noticing that the facts you refered to were taken into consideration.

I did say that Sewell is older and has little improvement, but I did say that midifelders take much less than other types, so after 3 years you have a fair idea where they'll fit. It is my opinion that Lewis could be a fantastic footballer if his primary role was to win the ball rather 'find the ball', which IMO is receiving. SO this is why I'm comparing him to Sewell, so that he can improve in those area's, and if he did mind a man it certainly wouldn't be a bad thing.

Davo23, can you please explain how is a highly advanced skill to 'create a loose man', when both teams have 18 players on the field. In other words, when he creates himself as a loose man, the opposition has a loose man (which would suggest that the opposition too have perfected the fine art of creating the 'loose man'), and when Lewis does one of his ordinary disposals (which I have said numerous times, and no-one has argued against), that loose man will be used.

I have nothing against Lewis, as I've said I rated him when he first began, before most of the heckler's here jumped on his bandwagon. I just want him to get the best out of himself, so we have an awesome midfield that will win a team premiership.

Answer me this: Does Lewis have anywhere near the polish of Hodge?

My answer is most definetly not, and is the reason why I don't mind if Hodge receives the ball, and is in someways preserving himself from getting an injury that prevented him impacting in the last finals game.

[Davo23]

when Lewis does one of his ordinary disposals (which I have said numerous times, and no-one has argued against), that loose man will be used.

.


Keep quoting yourself, and you'll believe what you say :;)

But, just for the record, what you say about Lewis' disposal is rubbish.


D23

[Blasé]

Keep quoting yourself, and you'll believe what you say :;)

But, just for the record, what you say about Lewis' disposal is rubbish.


D23

Right, Lewis' poor goal kicking was completely out of character.:rolleyes:

Yep, I've hypnotised myself into believing Hodge has more skill than Lewis. Better make sure the other99% of people who think that way get a bit of a Dave23 reality check.

[PAOKTSIS]

Right, Lewis' poor goal kicking was completely out of character.:rolleyes:

Yep, I've hypnotised myself into believing Hodge has more skill than Lewis. Better make sure the other99% of people who think that way get a bit of a Dave23 reality check.

I tend to agree with Blase on this...

Lewis's disposal can hurt US. It has happened on numerous ocassions this year, and it is an issue that needs to be rectified! Quantity does not equal quality...No point finding the pill 25-30 times a game if you cant hurt the opposition. And the 2nd issue is his leg speed - although he is an "in and under" midfielder, it doesnt mean that he can afford to be slow! Ive seen some instances where the oppositions ruckmen have outrun him to a loose ball....

That being said, if he solves these 2 problems in his game, then he will be on his way to becoming a very classy and crucial member of the team!

[Blasé]

Earlier in the year there was a stat in one of the papers saying that Lewis lead the competition for clearances per stoppage participated in. Basically if Lewis took part in a stoppage he was more likely to win the clearance than any other player in the AFL. People are really undertating how good he is as an inside player. It's just that this year he had the fitness to move around more, and with a bunch of other good players inside players he was used around the ground more.

Also possibly the best 1 on 1 contested mark out of our midfielders behind Hodge. I lost count of the number of times he lead out to the wing, and the kick to him was slow and high so that he was under pressure when it arrived, but he still came down with the ball.

Yep, I said I would close it, but then out came the HAWKTALK Year book with those tantalising stats (p70-71).

As markr has validly pointed out Jordan does very well in the clearances, 2nd to Mitchell (116) with 87. Brad Sewell came in 4th with 79, not much different.

As I expected Jordan led the field with disposals with 595, but just over Mitchell with 593. Notably Mitchell player 1 less game. Sewell came in 5th with a solid 512.

Next, as I've alluded to, Lewis had the most marks due to receiving rather than having contested marks. Evidence of this fact is that Young came 2nd, and Franklin only just slipped in at 10th spot.

But what measures a players ability to pressure opposition, chase and be accountable for a man? Well there isn't any, but the closest we have is tackles. And this really drives home what I've been gettin at.

1. Sewell 104 tackles.
7. Young 58 tackles.
8. Lewis 52 tackles.

Well, what else can you say.....
Lewis had only half of Sewell, and less than Young, who as I said, is a genuine outside midfielder who has pace and can bomb the ball - 2 things Jordan can't do.

It's crystal clear that Jordan has to improve his pressure on oppositions and increase his tackle count next year. He should certainly try to improve endurance and pace, but I think tackle count should be his first priority.

I was also quite bemused with the B&F top 10 list. I thought Jordan had a pretty good year, but I thought Sam, Crawford, Buddy and Croad were all better than him, yet he came in 3rd. Suppose it's a lot like the Brownlow count having irregularities, but very glad Sewell won.

[Buddy the Brave]

I think there is so much more upside to Lewis as opposed to Sewell. The fact that Lewis was second to only Mitchell in clearances would suggest to me that he gets to plenty of contests. Also the fact that he finished 3rd in the B&F would suggest that the match commitee is very happy with the way he has performed his role within the team.

He is developing a bigger tank and that was what saw the improvement in his game this year, I read somewhere where he said he wants to improve on this even further for next year. He is getting heaps of the footy and winning clearances and also finding space as well, sounds like the complete package to me. As for his disposal, while not first class, i don't find my heart in my mouth (Richie V like) whenever he gets hold of it so it can't be that bad.

We need the likes of Lewis, Young and Birchall to go up another gear next year, then we will have the elite midfield to take us to the holy grail.

[cschreuder61]

Not sure about the bagging of Lewis' disposal. It isn't as polished as it could be, but over-all would say he's a good kick, and some of his kicks for goals from tight angles, both kicking straight through the ball and around the corner were exceptional during the year.

Its easy to highlight the ones in the finals under pressure as a youngster, but overall I find him very good, with room to improve.

I don't many midfielders in the AFL that have come on quicker than him and already a key part of the midfield rotation.

[Hawk43]

I think every comment here has a lot of merit. I have been of the opinion that sewell is a more valuable player, but because they play different roles it's very hard to compare. Put it this way - if we were in a final with our backs against the wall, scores level with 5 minutes to go and it's a centre bounce, i would much prefer sewell in there.

If the ball was won at halfback in the dying stages and scores were level and the hawks were surging through the centre, i'd prefer lewis as a midfield option pushing forward to take a grab.

So to answer the question i guess i would prefer sewell as an inside midfielder.

However they are so hard to compare, it's like trying to compare hodge and mitchell, at the centre bounce i'd rate mitchell a lot more to get the ball out, but i'd prefer hodge around the ground and any situation that involves something out of the ordinary.

Hodge has more room to improve than mitch, mitch is probably at his best and that is still a very high level. I would say that sewell and lewis are the same - i.e. sewell is prolly as good as he will get (which is obviously still really good), but lewis has a lot of scope to improve

[stick]

Blase

You are very harsh on Jordan.

The coaching staff have him as there 3rd best player for the year, that to me would suggest that they are very happy with how he performed his role in the side.

You criticise him for not getting to enough contests or stop plays, but have you considered that it's more than likely he's role in the team does not allow him to do this??? It's therefore a little harsh to blame Jordan for the fact that he seemed to be used predominantly as a link man, as this was obviously the role that Clarko had set out for him (and in finishing 3rd in the B&F they obviously liked his output).

Maybe your criticism in this case should be directed toward the coaching staff???????

Just a thought....

[blackhead&boil]

Keep quoting yourself, and you'll believe what you say :;)

...Lewis' disposal is rubbish.


D23



D23, you surprise me! :eek:


(;))



but seriously blase, why bother comparing lewis and sewell on their contribution as an inside player when it's clear that it hasn't even been lewis' role? let's compare brett lee to glenn mcgrath on the basis of who is the fastest bowler and then rip into mcgrath for not being good enough. it's the same thing, really.

I think sewell has been a great hard man at close quarters for the hawks this year. his tackling has been feirce and abundant and he has always worn his opponents really tight. good on him, that's his job. but why don't you criticise him for not having as many disposals as lewis? and on the topic of disposals, greg sewell isn't exactly hawthorns answer to nick dal santo.

don't quite know what you have against JL...

[Fabulous]

For the record:

Hard Ball Gets:

Sewell 84
Mitchell 76
Hodge 63
Campbell 60
McGlynn 47
Lewis 46

Loose Ball Gets:

Hodge 125
Mitchell 118
Sewell 115
Lewis 114
Crawford 94
Ladson 90

Gathers:

Lewis 107
Mitchell 99
Hodge 69
Sewell 59
McGlynn 59
Crawford 55

Scoring Assists:

Mitchell 47
Young 40
McGlynn 40
Lewis 39
Hodge 37
Sewell 29

Kick Effectiveness:

Sewell 68%
Lewis 65%

Hodge 67%
Mitchell 68%
Crawford 66%
McGlynn 60%

[MinerBoy]

Keep quoting yourself, and you'll believe what you say :;)

But, just for the record, what you say about Lewis' disposal is rubbish.


D23

Right, Lewis' poor goal kicking was completely out of character.:rolleyes:

Yep, I've hypnotised myself into believing Hodge has more skill than Lewis. Better make sure the other99% of people who think that way get a bit of a Dave23 reality check.

Sorry Blase, but Davo is spot on. Granted that he fluffed a few goal scoring opportunities at the end of the season, but in terms of spotting up a leading forward he is close to the best in the team. Ask Roughie how much he enjoyed it in the Adelaide elimination final. To be honest, JL and Crawf were the ones who kept us in that game until half time. As for getting inside ball, I reckon he gets absolutely heaps of centre clearances in relation to his time spent there. More than happy with how JL is travelling.

For mine the area he needs to show greatest improvement (like a lot of his team mates) is discipline and not giving away needless 50m penalties and free kicks. The flip side of that is that I love his aggro and don't want him to mellow too much. Browny seems to be getting the hang of it. Over to you coaches.

[hodge-910111213]

Blase, I am partly with you on this one.

Yes, we shouldn't overrate our players. Yes, Sewell had a better year than Lewis. Yes, Sewell at the moment is a better inside midfielder. And yes, Lewis has parts of his game which need improvement.

However...

I don't like the direction that this discussion has taken, at first I thought it was great, but now it is more Lewis-bashing.

As I just said, at first, it was a very sensible topic, like what areas can Jordan improve? What type of player do we want him to be? I just don't like the fact that we are almost bagging him. If anyone wants to bag any players I'd say we give it to bloody Boyle, or even Clarke, well based on playing ability anyway.

Lewis has no reason to be 'bagged', as someone else mentioned, he was the 3rd (risking my credibility here?) best player at the club according to the coaches this year, and I'm pretty sure they would know. If anything we should be getting onto the main board and giving it to people who don't rate him in their best 10 players 21 and under.

[Blasé]

Thanks Fabulous, those stats extend the analysis a bit further.

The thing that stood out is that Sewell's kick disposal is better than Lewis', yet Sewell gets the hard ball far more often, meaning he is under more pressure.

I am aware that this has taken an appearance of bagging him, yet all I've done is been thorough and provided evidence for my argument.
What's so hard to uderstand about that?
Many of those who have criticised me, have also agreed without admiting it; that Jordan has scope / room for improvement.

I'v just clearly defined it, rather than the usual increase in ednurance and such, as being that his defensive skills, particulalry tackles needs to improve.

His improvement won't come through:
-increase in skill
-markedly increase in strength
-longer kicking
-increase for in pace
due to being at an age where these areas don't improve much more.

And because of that, he needs to improve areas of his game that are much more likely to be achieved, that defines an inside player such as Sewell:
-discipline
-concentration
-pressure on opposition
-techinique in tackling

As I've conitnually said, I want him to be a better player, that will make our midfield much more formidable, and if he does improve those areas he will become a very good player.

I don't really agree that his 3rd position in the bf is a clear indication that his performace is fulfilling the coaches requirements. I think it was somewhat a pat on the back for a young player, but I'm pretty sure that they would've rated Crawford's year as being superior, but don't need to give him any more encouragement, because he's seen it all.

As I've said before in another thread, I've seen Lewis as a Josh Carr type player, but what's missing is the accountability and hardness that needs improvement.

I think with a pre-season concentraing in those areas, Lewis could make the next step, and be a great player viaing for the bf next year - and possibly contributing to further our team success.