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Brayshaw's warning to AFL
04 November 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Scott Palmer
JAMES Brayshaw, the man touted as the next president of the Kangaroos, says he will not be part of the AFL's push to send the club to the Gold Coast.
An angry Brayshaw, who this week became a father for the fourth time, hit back at the AFL, saying it could get some "white-suited fake-tanned character to run the joint" because he will not be going.
"If we are staying here in Melbourne then you'll see 'Arch' (club legend Glenn Archer) and I put our shoulders to the wheel and we'll do everything in our power to try and make it work," he said.
Speaking out for the first time about the proposed move, Brayshaw was furious at the leaks from club board meetings, saying "it's a pretty ordinary way of getting your agenda across".
"I need to get my head around exactly where we are at - once I have we'll know where the next move is," he said.
"I am all for saying, let's get the governance right, let's get the management right and let's have a full-on go at making it work. Surely after 130 years that's worth doing.
"If it doesn't work, you can look at yourself after you've given everything you've got and say, 'you know what, we gave our best shot and it can't work'.
"But at the moment we're not even trying."
Brayshaw said the AFL was "trying to bluff everybody into saying we're going to move this joint or we're going to fold this joint if you don't decide in 30 days".
Brayshaw said the AFL was pressuring club shareholders to make the decision to move so it would not be seen as having "blood on their hands".
"That's bulls---. You can't operate like that, and what I hope happens is that the shareholders tell them to p--- off," he said.
"And then tell them we're not going anywhere."
Brayshaw said it was time for the Kangaroos to roll up their sleeves and make it work.
Earmarked as the next Kangaroos president after the resignation of Graham Duff, Brayshaw, 40, has been juggling hospital visits, where wife Sarah has delivered a weighty addition to the family, Frederick James (4.6kg), with handling the club's crisis.
He has three other sons, Jonathon, 13, Henry, 10, and George, 2.
Brayshaw's warning to AFL
04 November 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Scott Palmer
JAMES Brayshaw, the man touted as the next president of the Kangaroos, says he will not be part of the AFL's push to send the club to the Gold Coast.
An angry Brayshaw, who this week became a father for the fourth time, hit back at the AFL, saying it could get some "white-suited fake-tanned character to run the joint" because he will not be going.
"If we are staying here in Melbourne then you'll see 'Arch' (club legend Glenn Archer) and I put our shoulders to the wheel and we'll do everything in our power to try and make it work," he said.
Speaking out for the first time about the proposed move, Brayshaw was furious at the leaks from club board meetings, saying "it's a pretty ordinary way of getting your agenda across".
"I need to get my head around exactly where we are at - once I have we'll know where the next move is," he said.
"I am all for saying, let's get the governance right, let's get the management right and let's have a full-on go at making it work. Surely after 130 years that's worth doing.
"If it doesn't work, you can look at yourself after you've given everything you've got and say, 'you know what, we gave our best shot and it can't work'.
"But at the moment we're not even trying."
Brayshaw said the AFL was "trying to bluff everybody into saying we're going to move this joint or we're going to fold this joint if you don't decide in 30 days".
Brayshaw said the AFL was pressuring club shareholders to make the decision to move so it would not be seen as having "blood on their hands".
"That's bulls---. You can't operate like that, and what I hope happens is that the shareholders tell them to p--- off," he said.
"And then tell them we're not going anywhere."
Brayshaw said it was time for the Kangaroos to roll up their sleeves and make it work.
Earmarked as the next Kangaroos president after the resignation of Graham Duff, Brayshaw, 40, has been juggling hospital visits, where wife Sarah has delivered a weighty addition to the family, Frederick James (4.6kg), with handling the club's crisis.
He has three other sons, Jonathon, 13, Henry, 10, and George, 2.
I am thinking Darryl Kerrigan from The Castle..."Tell 'em to Get Stuffed!!"
FootyJunkie
4 Nov 2007, 01:05
I am thinking Darryl Kerrigan from The Castle..."Tell 'em to Get Stuffed!!"
I prefer Chris McDermott after last years Eagles win over the Crows in the Prelim. "Go and get stuffed!"
I prefer Chris McDermott after last years Eagles win over the Crows in the Prelim. "Go and get stuffed!"
I forgot about that one.....:thumbsu:
Nothing like unbiased commentary on any radio station that starts with 5....
The Zebra
4 Nov 2007, 02:23
I tell you what......bring this ******* fight on.
WE ARE READY.
The Zebra
4 Nov 2007, 02:29
Let's Fight.
I tell you what......bring this ******* fight on.
WE ARE READY.
Sounds like NM are starting to dig in.....
The Zebra
4 Nov 2007, 02:45
Sounds like NM are starting to dig in.....
We are going to brawl.
I am looking forward to it.
Terry Tan
4 Nov 2007, 05:27
The problem with Brayshaw is that he's a bit of a joke.
When Collingwood were in trouble, they got Eddie.
When Carlton were in trouble, they got Dick.
When Hawthorn were in trouble, they had Dicker.
Footscray had Gordon.
Who's North got? Brayshaw the media clown with his tv and radio diatribe. Talking crap is not going to save North. I doubt he's got the business smarts to save North. His brother Mark would be a better bet.
Terry Tan
4 Nov 2007, 05:32
We are going to brawl.
I am looking forward to it.
It's been almost a week and I see no plan yet to save North. Who is rallying the troops, where is the plan, where is the media campaign, where is the unity????!
Hahahahahaha, Brayshaw is a nobody. Lord help the Roos if he is the saviour....
Hahahahahaha, Brayshaw is a nobody. Lord help the Roos if he is the saviour....
pretty much... you can't blame the guy or any other North people for being peed off with the corner they have been put in but I really can't see them having the clout or the smarts to get out of this especially if it is left to Brayshaw and a few others.
The problem with Brayshaw is that he's a bit of a joke.
When Collingwood were in trouble, they got Eddie.
When Carlton were in trouble, they got Dick.
When Hawthorn were in trouble, they had Dicker.
Footscray had Gordon.
Who's North got? Brayshaw the media clown with his tv and radio diatribe. Talking crap is not going to save North. I doubt he's got the business smarts to save North. His brother Mark would be a better bet.
Who was Eddie before he became Collingwood president? Eddie's rise coincided with his work at Collingwood. When he started Eddie was just a media personality.
No one had heard of Dicker before he became President of Hawthorn and what as Gordon a two bit lawyer who is now still a two bit lawyer.
What makes you think that his brother is not working with him? They were voted on together on the same ticket.
Leadership is about selling yourself and the company. The smartest people are not always leaders but they put smart people under them. I have people who are technically better and smarter than me and I beleive that I'm smarter than my director, but am I a better leader than him, no, because he knows how to sell concepts and lead people to get the job done. Their are people 3 layers below him who are smarter but he can lead and the organisation as a whole thrives.
By making the statement he has,
1 - Telling the AFL to get stuffed
2 - Spilling his guts about others on the board and
3 - Actually having a go for the first time in 8 years
Jim will have returned more North supporters who have dropped off the club due to this interstate garbage and changing the name to the Kangaroos.
By changing the name back to North Melbourne and embracing the Melbourne supporter base, the membership will jump from 22,000 to beyond 30,000. And clown or not that is leadership.
The medium term requirements of generating off field income has been developed and requires the right people on the board and around Jim, it doesn't require the leader to do it.
pretty much... you can't blame the guy or any other North people for being peed off with the corner they have been put in but I really can't see them having the clout or the smarts to get out of this especially if it is left to Brayshaw and a few others.
Starting to feel a bit nervous are we, the fact that you guys along with Footscray are receiving the same CBF as North worry you?
So when North have over 30,000 members next year, ahead of Melbourne and Footscray, what will happen then.
Remember if we go, you go. If North go to Queensland the dogs will be going to Western Sydney leaving you guys as the weakest club in the entire competition and ultimately being forced to merge with another club in Victoria or leading a pitiful existence.
The likes of North, Doggies, Melbourne, StKilda and Hawthorn should be sticking together.
This survival of the fittest, if someone else goes first then it won't be us response is garbage, as each one goes the task for the remaining 'poorer' Melbourne clubs becomes exponentially harder.
How many people in Victoria do you expect to sign up as members (i.e NONE) or extra sponsorship (i.e NOTHING because why would a company put in more money in Victoria if their are less games here) do you expect to gain in North go.
You expect the AFL to give you more money, they won't have any because they will be speding 300 million on a new stadium at Carrara (yes 300 million) and 10 million a year propping up the clu on an annual basis.
Yes 10 million a year and 300 million for a stadium, how much money do you think will be left for Melbourne and the Bulldogs.
I'd suggest you think before dancing on the grave of a Victorian club.
It's been almost a week and I see no plan yet to save North. Who is rallying the troops, where is the plan, where is the media campaign, where is the unity????!
Trust me my friend, it is happening and their will be an announcment this Wednesday.
Terry Tan
4 Nov 2007, 06:14
Who was Eddie before he became Collingwood president? Eddie's rise coincided with his work at Collingwood. When he started Eddie was just a media personality.
No one had heard of Dicker before he became President of Hawthorn and what as Gordon a two bit lawyer who is now still a two bit lawyer.
What makes you think that his brother is not working with him? They were voted on together on the same ticket.
Leadership is about selling yourself and the company. The smartest people are not always leaders but they put smart people under them. I have people who are technically better and smarter than me and I beleive that I'm smarter than my director, but am I a better leader than him, no, because he knows how to sell concepts and lead people to get the job done. Their are people 3 layers below him who are smarter but he can lead and the organisation as a whole thrives.
By making the statement he has,
1 - Telling the AFL to get stuffed
2 - Spilling his guts about others on the board and
3 - Actually having a go for the first time in 8 years
Jim will have returned more North supporters who have dropped off the club due to this interstate garbage and changing the name to the Kangaroos.
By changing the name back to North Melbourne and embracing the Melbourne supporter base, the membership will jump from 22,000 to beyond 30,000. And clown or not that is leadership.
The medium term requirements of generating off field income has been developed and requires the right people on the board and around Jim, it doesn't require the leader to do it.
And I forgot to mention Geelong had Frank Costa and Cooke. Richmond had Neville Crowe.
Eddie McGuire was already a made man before he became Collingwood Prez, and he's got the venom about him.
I can't see Brayshaw going head to head with Vlad and winning this battle. Vlad will laugh at him "the dukes, the dukes"...enough said. Brayshaw is just a tv and radio clown. Ron Joseph is your man to engineer the Roos survival. He's got all the contacts and fire power.
I hope you win the battle and stay in Melbourne. But your club has been severely undermined off the field for so many years which has led to this.
And I forgot to mention Geelong had Frank Costa and Cooke. Richmond had Neville Crowe.
Eddie McGuire was already a made man before he became Collingwood Prez, and he's got the venom about him.
I can't see Brayshaw going head to head with Vlad and winning this battle. Vlad will laugh at him "the dukes, the dukes"...enough said. Brayshaw is just a tv and radio clown. Ron Joseph is your man to engineer the Roos survival. He's got all the contacts and fire power.
I hope you win the battle and stay in Melbourne. But your club has been severely undermined off the field for so many years which has led to this.
No Geelong got Frank Costa and Cook, I recall Eddie was 'just' doing the footy show, their was similiar things said about Eddie, he was just a TV personality, I may be wrong I can't remember the timeline, but he was no where as big. Not saying Jimbob is the "eddie" but he is the only one who thus far has stood up and he can string two words together.
Yes Ron is a head kicker but he does put his foot in his mouth every so often, it may be a joint effort, Brayshaw selling the message and Ron behind the scenes pulling the strings. What they need though is a decent CEO, a Rose, Cook, Swann type.
Everyone will say you can't afford one, I say we cannot afford not to have someone of this ilk.
Terry Tan
4 Nov 2007, 09:20
No Geelong got Frank Costa and Cook, I recall Eddie was 'just' doing the footy show, their was similiar things said about Eddie, he was just a TV personality, I may be wrong I can't remember the timeline, but he was no where as big. Not saying Jimbob is the "eddie" but he is the only one who thus far has stood up and he can string two words together.
Yes Ron is a head kicker but he does put his foot in his mouth every so often, it may be a joint effort, Brayshaw selling the message and Ron behind the scenes pulling the strings. What they need though is a decent CEO, a Rose, Cook, Swann type.
Everyone will say you can't afford one, I say we cannot afford not to have someone of this ilk.
Who is North's current CEO?
And what exactly is Rick Alyatt's role?? He is absolutely non visible.
AngelEyes
4 Nov 2007, 09:29
If its so viable and easy why hasn't Brayshaw, as a board member, implemented these plans over the last 12 months rather than now when the Roos have a gun to their head. If its doable like he says he should be held responsible as he hasn't intended to implement these stratergies and plans to make the Roos solvent - that is his duty as a board member.
If I were the AFL, I'd let Brayshaw and co sit on the board and let them go bust. The ASIC will love prosecuting them for trading while insolvent. I'm positive he won't have the balls to sit on the board then. He can act all tough in the media but when it comes to the cruch (i.e. late 2009) he will run like a puppy when he knows if he continues he will face criminal charges and will loose his assets for the Roos trading while insolvent.
That advertisement that used to be on TV is right, "Brayshaw is a flog".
Funkalicous
4 Nov 2007, 09:50
Brayshaw doesn't have any plans. He just has a "we'll figure something out" attitude to keep him warm.
http://footystats.freeservers.com/Footystats/Membership.html
This was the membership 'ladder' for 1998 (last year as North Melbourne)
Adelaide 41,985
Port Adel 38,305
West Coast 37,496
Sydney 31,089
Hawthorn 27,649
Essendon 27,099
Collingwood 27,099
Richmond 27,092
Carlton 25,402
St Kilda 23,204
Fremantle 22,186
W Bulldogs 20,264
N Melbourne 20,186
Geelong 19,971
Melbourne 17,870
Brisbane 16,108
The talk of an immediate backlash is a fallacy, in fact the year North made the move to ‘the Kangaroos’ membership increased from 20,186 to 22,080 in 1999…some backlash
Compared to 2007
Adelaide 50,976
West Coast 45,976
Fremantle 43,343
Carlton 35,431
Port Adel 34,073
Essendon 32,759
Hawthorn 31,065
St Kilda 30,394
Geelong 30,169
Richmond 30,044
W Bulldogs 28,725
Sydney 28,411
Melbourne 28,077
Kangaroos 22,366
Brisbane 21,976
Yes the name change may have affected their membership, but has it really drawn 8-10,000 supporters away like some posters are claiming?
Looking at that table, with the exception of Fremantle, support hasn't shuffled around much for any club over the past 10 or so years...which suggests that the liklihood of North dramatically increasing membership is unlikely.
Why would the AFL be concerned about any threats from a man that goes on National TV looking like this
http://www.triplem.com.au/media/shows/getthis/images/brayshaw.jpg
A Western Australian who grew up in South Australia. He is about as North Melbourne as those white suited tan characters he speaks of. The guy is a stooge.
A Western Australian who grew up in South Australia. He is about as North Melbourne as those white suited tan characters he speaks of.
How the f*** is that releveant?!
How the f*** is that releveant?!
It is relevant. He's an out of towner who probably couldn't havbe found his way to Arden Street 3 years ago. He's just some tool who played a bit of cricket and has wound up with a media career and happens to be a supporter. Trevor Marmalade would have more credibility as your CEO.
Brayshaw was furious at the leaks from club board meetings, saying "it's a pretty ordinary way of getting your agenda across".Brayshaw would know who are the candidates to have leaked based on what their position would be. Really he should pit names to position and ask pro movers to exit gracefully. US AGAINST THEM!
It is relevant. He's an out of towner who probably couldn't havbe found his way to Arden Street 3 years ago. He's just some tool who played a bit of cricket and has wound up with a media career and happens to be a supporter. Trevor Marmalade would have more credibility as your CEO.
So you are saying supporters of clubs should only come from, or be near where a team plays the majority of it's games?
The Zebra
5 Nov 2007, 10:08
It is relevant. He's an out of towner who probably couldn't havbe found his way to Arden Street 3 years ago. He's just some tool who played a bit of cricket and has wound up with a media career and happens to be a supporter. Trevor Marmalade would have more credibility as your CEO.
Speaking of credibility.
You do know the difference between a CEO and a president don't you?
Speaking of credibility.
You do know the difference between a CEO and a president don't you?
Yeah my mistake, whatever. But pinning your hopes on Brayshaw, who has the credibility, clout and business acumen of Nicole Cornes, wouldn't be the path I'd be going down if was a North supporter clinging onto the slim chance of staying in Melbourne. Making throwaway lines in the press is not helping anyone and as much as he wants to try and be, Eddie Maguire he ain't.
A Western Australian who grew up in South Australia. He is about as North Melbourne as those white suited tan characters he speaks of. The guy is a stooge.
Well going by this logic Melbourne should have the biggest supporter base in the AFL.
It's on BigFooty it must be true :rolleyes:
Brayshaw's warning to AFL
04 November 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Scott Palmer
JAMES Brayshaw, the man touted as the next president of the Kangaroos, says he will not be part of the AFL's push to send the club to the Gold Coast.
An angry Brayshaw, who this week became a father for the fourth time, hit back at the AFL, saying it could get some "white-suited fake-tanned character to run the joint" because he will not be going.
"If we are staying here in Melbourne then you'll see 'Arch' (club legend Glenn Archer) and I put our shoulders to the wheel and we'll do everything in our power to try and make it work," he said.
Speaking out for the first time about the proposed move, Brayshaw was furious at the leaks from club board meetings, saying "it's a pretty ordinary way of getting your agenda across".
"I need to get my head around exactly where we are at - once I have we'll know where the next move is," he said.
"I am all for saying, let's get the governance right, let's get the management right and let's have a full-on go at making it work. Surely after 130 years that's worth doing.
"If it doesn't work, you can look at yourself after you've given everything you've got and say, 'you know what, we gave our best shot and it can't work'.
"But at the moment we're not even trying."
Brayshaw said the AFL was "trying to bluff everybody into saying we're going to move this joint or we're going to fold this joint if you don't decide in 30 days".
Brayshaw said the AFL was pressuring club shareholders to make the decision to move so it would not be seen as having "blood on their hands".
"That's bulls---. You can't operate like that, and what I hope happens is that the shareholders tell them to p--- off," he said.
"And then tell them we're not going anywhere."
Brayshaw said it was time for the Kangaroos to roll up their sleeves and make it work.
Earmarked as the next Kangaroos president after the resignation of Graham Duff, Brayshaw, 40, has been juggling hospital visits, where wife Sarah has delivered a weighty addition to the family, Frederick James (4.6kg), with handling the club's crisis.
He has three other sons, Jonathon, 13, Henry, 10, and George, 2.
good on him for having the passion for his footy club, good luck with it
Scotland
5 Nov 2007, 10:36
Compared to 2007
Adelaide 50,976
West Coast 45,976
Fremantle 43,343
Carlton 35,431
Port Adel 34,073
Essendon 32,759
Hawthorn 31,065
St Kilda 30,394
Geelong 30,169
Richmond 30,044
W Bulldogs 28,725
Sydney 28,411
Melbourne 28,077
Kangaroos 22,366
Brisbane 21,976
15th eh?
Disgrace. Let's ship them off to Queensland.
Oh wait, who is 16th? How long have they been around? How much success have they had?
whelan=legend
5 Nov 2007, 10:40
So when North have over 30,000 members next year, ahead of Melbourne and Footscray, what will happen then.
LMAO! You think something magical is just going to happen, right? After getting absolutely smashed in the finals, all this talk of moving to the gold coast, what aussie rules fan would choose to go for north right now?
If somehow an extra 8000 nuetral supporters buy memberships, when 90% dont buy one for the second year and you're back down to 22,000 , what happens then?
See Melbourne have 28000 club members and 30% of MCC members.
If you ever pass us, it will be a once off for one year. Then you will be ****ed again. Dont go for the short term fixes, take Carrara now, before Southport gets a liscence and you guys are left to die.
The Zebra
5 Nov 2007, 10:40
Yeah my mistake, whatever. But pinning your hopes on Brayshaw, who has the credibility, clout and business acumen of Nicole Cornes, wouldn't be the path I'd be going down if was a North supporter clinging onto the slim chance of staying in Melbourne. Making throwaway lines in the press is not helping anyone and as much as he wants to try and be, Eddie Maguire he ain't.
We will see what his busines acumen is like if he gets his shot.
We do know he has got the drive to get to a high level in his area of interests (despite, with footy coming from outside it's main state and not being directly involved in the sport through most of his life).
We do know that he has got himself to a financially stable enough position that he can afford to resign from a high paying, high profile job to spend time with his family.
We do not that proven business men such as Peter De Rauch have publically declared him as being a great candidate for the presidency.
We do know that people within his family have high business level experience.
We do know he is popular amongst the masses.
We do know he has powerful friends in the industry.
And, most imortantly, we do know that on the weekend he made comments about relocation that every North supporter has been hanging out for yet a highly sucessful businessman like Duff was no able to deliver as president.
He is charasmatic, has a profile, has a media vechile and has expressed staunch anti Gold Coast sentiment. That makes him a pretty good candidate in my books - regardless of the fact he is on an unfunny TV show and wore a green mankini.
LMAO! You think something magical is just going to happen, right? After getting absolutely smashed in the finals, all this talk of moving to the gold coast, what aussie rules fan would choose to go for north right now?
If somehow an extra 8000 nuetral supporters buy memberships, when 90% dont buy one for the second year and you're back down to 22,000 , what happens then?
See Melbourne have 28000 club members and 30% of MCC members.
If you ever pass us, it will be a once off for one year. Then you will be ****ed again. Dont go for the short term fixes, take Carrara now, before Southport gets a liscence and you guys are left to die.
i can feel it coming now, listen carefully.
The U S C.. is working on it's new headline.
Relocate the Demons.
whelan=legend
5 Nov 2007, 18:16
i can feel it coming now, listen carefully.
The U S C.. is working on it's new headline.
Relocate the Demons.
Whatever makes you sleep at night:rolleyes:
Whatever makes you sleep at night:rolleyes:
Feeling a bit unsettled are we?
whelan=legend
5 Nov 2007, 18:22
Feeling a bit unsettled are we?
Lmao, because some random kangaroos fan is saying he can 'feel it coming'. Really unsettled:rolleyes::thumbsu:
Nice work JB.
I have the feeling there's more to this than might otherwise appear.
Joseph and De Rauch will be the one doing the hard yards in keeping North here. Brayshaw's media savvy will see him be the public face - side-by-side with Archer and Pagan.
"If it doesn't work, you can look at yourself after you've given everything you've got and say, 'you know what, we gave our best shot and it can't work'.
Haven't they tried to make it work for years but have failed? What is the difference this time?
boydsno1
5 Nov 2007, 20:19
Starting to feel a bit nervous are we, the fact that you guys along with Footscray are receiving the same CBF as North worry you?
So when North have over 30,000 members next year, ahead of Melbourne and Footscray, what will happen then.
Remember if we go, you go. If North go to Queensland the dogs will be going to Western Sydney leaving you guys as the weakest club in the entire competition and ultimately being forced to merge with another club in Victoria or leading a pitiful existence.
The likes of North, Doggies, Melbourne, StKilda and Hawthorn should be sticking together.
This survival of the fittest, if someone else goes first then it won't be us response is garbage, as each one goes the task for the remaining 'poorer' Melbourne clubs becomes exponentially harder.
How many people in Victoria do you expect to sign up as members (i.e NONE) or extra sponsorship (i.e NOTHING because why would a company put in more money in Victoria if their are less games here) do you expect to gain in North go.
You expect the AFL to give you more money, they won't have any because they will be speding 300 million on a new stadium at Carrara (yes 300 million) and 10 million a year propping up the clu on an annual basis.
Yes 10 million a year and 300 million for a stadium, how much money do you think will be left for Melbourne and the Bulldogs.
I'd suggest you think before dancing on the grave of a Victorian club.
we had just under 30,000 members this yr. what makes you think we cannot get over it next yr??? also we represent the western suburbs of melbourne. if we go say bye to a growing part of melbourne. also with the redevolopment say hello to more income. thank you.
Seen and heard it now. A Melbourne supporter bagging us out!
At least we made the finals you poor, poor fellow. where was it you finished? :D
Melbourne are a nothing club. Have been for the last 60 years. Nothing club, nothing supporters, nothing coach (what's that guys name?) MCC members keeping you afloat....
We're not going anywhere - YOU WILL BE!
LMAO! You think something magical is just going to happen, right? After getting absolutely smashed in the finals, all this talk of moving to the gold coast, what aussie rules fan would choose to go for north right now?
If somehow an extra 8000 nuetral supporters buy memberships, when 90% dont buy one for the second year and you're back down to 22,000 , what happens then?
See Melbourne have 28000 club members and 30% of MCC members.
If you ever pass us, it will be a once off for one year. Then you will be ****ed again. Dont go for the short term fixes, take Carrara now, before Southport gets a liscence and you guys are left to die.
Good one idiot, read what I said, I said the 6000 North supporters who didn't renew in 2007 after 2006 plus the other 10,000 supporters who have dropped off since the late 90's make it very feasible with some basic marketing to get half of these back.
If you seriously beleive that because you get 400,000 less in AFL assistance per year than North and on one year have a few thousand more members than North that makes you financially sound and a future assured in Melourne because your name is Melbourne then good luck to you.
How are you going to survive if North were to be shafted to the Gold Coast (will be receiving 10 million a year extra than they are now mind you) and the AFL pull the CBF. Where are you going to get the 3 million per year from?
A chinese businessman?
If North go to the Gold Coast, one of Melbourne or the Dogs will be going to Western Sydney within 3 years. Yes, 3 years. The AFL said they weren't looking at a Gold Coast club until 2015, overnight it changed to now.
If Melbourne and Doggies fans think they are safe because North have been shafted first you are sadly dillusional.
we had just under 30,000 members this yr. what makes you think we cannot get over it next yr??? also we represent the western suburbs of melbourne. if we go say bye to a growing part of melbourne. also with the redevolopment say hello to more income. thank you.
Because 30% of supporters are fickle and only buy memberships if they sense a good season on the field or their is some other 'sell' factor.
This representing a certain demographic part of Melbourne argument is bollocks. Why would someone who moves to Hoppers Crossing because they can't afford to live anywhere else suddenly feel this urge to 'support the Dogs because its their area'.
Despite all the good fortune with your re election government grant windfall and some good work done by Campbell Rose, when push comes to shove and the AFL want a second Western Sydney team it will count for squat.
They will market it and justify it under the same case they are doing with North, supporters in Melbourne will be looked after, their history preserved, blah blah, hell its even easier with the dogs, you don't even have to rename you guys Western Bulldogs/Sydney.
I'm the last one to kick the boots into other Melourne clubs, but their is the certain amount of "Yes, its them and not us" attitude from the lower drawing Melbourne clubs. Its fools gold. It should be "damn, if they go then we'll be next".
"If it doesn't work, you can look at yourself after you've given everything you've got and say, 'you know what, we gave our best shot and it can't work'.
Haven't they tried to make it work for years but have failed? What is the difference this time?
Thats the problem the current board havn't tried to make it work for years. This same board and their same idea's since 1999, the lets play 3 games interstate somewhere is the only idea they have had.
The difference this time, with a new board, is that they will do something. Unless you were involved with the club and have seen how incompetent the board and administration have been you can't understand.
If the board had been innovative and tried a series of alternatives then North people would say, yes we have tried everything, we can't make it financial, therefore we will relocate or fold.
But they have done nothing for 6 years except alienate the Melbourne supporter base.
And no I don't have to answer you as to what these idea's are. All will be revealed shortly and it will make a lot of people have egg on their face.
Waverley73
6 Nov 2007, 09:24
Lets be honest here - Brawshaw is a relative lightweight who likes to use school yard language to appeal to the layman. I rate him as a media performer but he's hardly going to be the deciding factor in whether the Kangaroos go to the GC or not.
Even the Footy Show blokes make fun of him as being a clown - he's hardly going to the influence or nous to stop whatever Vlad et al have already planned.
Lets be honest here - Brawshaw is a relative lightweight who likes to use school yard language to appeal to the layman. I rate him as a media performer but he's hardly going to be the deciding factor in whether the Kangaroos go to the GC or not.
Ripping a bit of velcro of the Melbourne guernsey is harldy the most cultured move either, but it was very effective. The most important factor here will be the rallying of all North supporters, and many of us have been waiting for someone on the board to issue that rallying call. Then it's up to us.
Even the Footy Show blokes make fun of him as being a clown - he's hardly going to the influence or nous to stop whatever Vlad et al have already planned.
I would have said that Don Scott was the most significant person in the Dorks fight, he wasn't the one with the brains or the plan or the influence, but he was the most significant. And he has hardly been the most respected person in football, ask a few South Adelaide supporters about him.
Waverley73
6 Nov 2007, 09:48
Ripping a bit of velcro of the Melbourne guernsey is harldy the most cultured move either, but it was very effective. The most important factor here will be the rallying of all North supporters, and many of us have been waiting for someone on the board to issue that rallying call. Then it's up to us.
I would have said that Don Scott was the most significant person in the Dorks fight, he wasn't the one with the brains or the plan or the influence, but he was the most significant. And he has hardly been the most respected person in football, ask a few South Adelaide supporters about him.
We'll see but Brawshaw has never played for your club so doesn't command the respect that a former multiple premiership captain and team (Hawthorn) team of the century member would get. I would doubt there are any South Adelaide (who?!) supporters in Melbourne so thats a mute point. Brawshaw (although I do like him on MMM & TFS) isn't the sort of person who is a leader. He's third or possibly forth string on the Footy Show and far from the leader on MMM. He isn't the leading or inspiring type. Scott on the other had was commanding and people listened when he spoke (obviously).
I read that article and got the impression that he was fighting WAY out of his weight division. Vlad will flatten him.
We'll see but Brawshaw has never played for your club so doesn't command the respect that a former multiple premiership captain and team (Hawthorn) team of the century member would get. I would doubt there are any South Adelaide (who?!) supporters in Melbourne so thats a mute point. Brawshaw (although I do like him on MMM & TFS) isn't the sort of person who is a leader. He's third or possibly forth string on the Footy Show and far from the leader on MMM. He isn't the leading or inspiring type. Scott on the other had was commanding and people listened when he spoke (obviously).
I read that article and got the impression that he was fighting WAY out of his weight division. Vlad will flatten him.
Thats all fair enough, I presume you were born in 73, so I guess you saw the joke that Don Scott was on the TV commentary with Peter McKenna. In SA, I guess the South Adelaide experience was a bit of a running joke with people of my vintage.
The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't necessarily the message, or the person making the message. It'll be the supporters that will save the club, and as soon as we can be confident that our board is willing to fight for our goals as hard as we are, then look out.
RJ was first, the JB. Hopefully Pagan and Arch will be next on board.
Thats all fair enough, I presume you were born in 73, so I guess you saw the joke that Don Scott was on the TV commentary with Peter McKenna. In SA, I guess the South Adelaide experience was a bit of a running joke with people of my vintage.
What was it again, after admitting to the players he was homosexual, he coached them to 7 straight losses and was shown the door.
Waverley73
6 Nov 2007, 10:15
Thats all fair enough, I presume you were born in 73, so I guess you saw the joke that Don Scott was on the TV commentary with Peter McKenna. In SA, I guess the South Adelaide experience was a bit of a running joke with people of my vintage.
The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't necessarily the message, or the person making the message. It'll be the supporters that will save the club, and as soon as we can be confident that our board is willing to fight for our goals as hard as we are, then look out.
RJ was first, the JB. Hopefully Pagan and Arch will be next on board.
But that surely is your clubs weak point. Lack of supporters is what will also hurt you. The fact you have to wait around to see if your board will be willing to fight says it all - if they were going to fight like hell then you would of already known about it and be up there with them.
All this 'wait and see if the board are going to be willing to fight' means that it's a bit of a rudderless ship. It's the rudderles ships of this world that are suseptable to takeovers etc. I hope you blokes do make a fight of it but it seems that there isn't a united front and that unfortunately the almighty dollar will win. The amount the AFL & the Qld Govt have committed to having a team in the GC (around $300 mill) combined with the fact there's a snowballs chance of hell that the other clubs will allow a 17th team in all means one thing I reckon. You know what that is..
What was it again, after admitting to the players he was homosexual, he coached them to 7 straight losses and was shown the door.
I think the joke was more that he was commentating as an expert on AFL footy when he was an abject failure as a coach (not really relevant but I thought it was 6 straight losses and then he walked out). As for the other part, I believe the allegedly word is supposed to be used every now and then, but along those lines.
But that surely is your clubs weak point. Lack of supporters is what will also hurt you. The fact you have to wait around to see if your board will be willing to fight says it all - if they were going to fight like hell then you would of already known about it and be up there with them.
Thats one of the problems, there are a few on the board that aren't willing to fight. The ones that are are making themselves known and we have a couple of prime candidates waiting for a spot on the board.
As for numbers, just as the Hawks found plenty in the woodwork I'm certain we will when we do get that rallying call. Remember the fight at this stage is to get over this 30 day notice period the AFL has imposed, there is clearly a lot of work to do after that.
All this 'wait and see if the board are going to be willing to fight' means that it's a bit of a rudderless ship. It's the rudderles ships of this world that are suseptable to takeovers etc. I hope you blokes do make a fight of it but it seems that there isn't a united front and that unfortunately the almighty dollar will win.
Of course it is. It's not the only one but the whole issue of the club not being fully committed to it's Melbourne supporter base is one of the reasons that I believe that theres a lot of improvement left in the club.
The amount the AFL & the Qld Govt have committed to having a team in the GC (around $300 mill) combined with the fact there's a snowballs chance of hell that the other clubs will allow a 17th team in all means one thing I reckon. You know what that is..
I'd like to see the clubs (and the supporters of those clubs) ask the question whether or not they should be paying for this. Surely before you would commit $10-20m of your own clubs money you'd want to see some facts on the table about the potential benefits of such a move. Sadly the AFL seems to be a bit frightened of providing those facts. I wonder why?
Waverley73
6 Nov 2007, 10:39
Thats one of the problems, there are a few on the board that aren't willing to fight. The ones that are are making themselves known and we have a couple of prime candidates waiting for a spot on the board.
As for numbers, just as the Hawks found plenty in the woodwork I'm certain we will when we do get that rallying call. Remember the fight at this stage is to get over this 30 day notice period the AFL has imposed, there is clearly a lot of work to do after that.
Of course it is. It's not the only one but the whole issue of the club not being fully committed to it's Melbourne supporter base is one of the reasons that I believe that theres a lot of improvement left in the club.
I'd like to see the clubs (and the supporters of those clubs) ask the question whether or not they should be paying for this. Surely before you would commit $10-20m of your own clubs money you'd want to see some facts on the table about the potential benefits of such a move. Sadly the AFL seems to be a bit frightened of providing those facts. I wonder why?
Probably because they're not required to. They don't need the clubs approval to spend the $300 mill in Queensland but do need such approval if they want to extablish a 17th club. They aren't providing the facts because they don't have to - thats my guess. It seems by what I've read that they are quite advanced in their plans of what they see happening in Qld with the Qld government. Thats why all of a sudden the 2015 timeframe has been wound forward to 2010 - they see it all as a fait accompli.
Thats the problem the current board havn't tried to make it work for years. This same board and their same idea's since 1999, the lets play 3 games interstate somewhere is the only idea they have had.
The difference this time, with a new board, is that they will do something. Unless you were involved with the club and have seen how incompetent the board and administration have been you can't understand.
If the board had been innovative and tried a series of alternatives then North people would say, yes we have tried everything, we can't make it financial, therefore we will relocate or fold.
But they have done nothing for 6 years except alienate the Melbourne supporter base.
And no I don't have to answer you as to what these idea's are. All will be revealed shortly and it will make a lot of people have egg on their face.
LMFAO. I'm sure it will.
Probably because they're not required to. They don't need the clubs approval to spend the $300 mill in Queensland but do need such approval if they want to extablish a 17th club. They aren't providing the facts because they don't have to - thats my guess.[/i]
You might be right, but they will need to provide those facts if the clubs and their supporters start questioning the AFL over it. What right do they have to spend $300m of the clubs money to prop up another club that would get more support and assistance to ensure on field success over the next ten years as the rest of the clubs put together.
Waverley73
6 Nov 2007, 11:02
You might be right, but they will need to provide those facts if the clubs and their supporters start questioning the AFL over it. What right do they have to spend $300m of their money to prop up a club that they will spend more time and money making it successful on the field as they will for every other club put together.
But if the push into the GC works the income that will be generated will benefit the clubs anyway (more audience through tv rights, sponsorship exposure etc) so they're hardly going to veto any move up there. They see it as a huge growth area (hence the huge investment) and if they do it right it actually will mean that a whole new audience will be in the AFL loop which will lead to more $$ for every club. They have learnt from the Bears fiasco and since have made pretty good business decisions. The game has improved in pretty much every way (crowds, tv audience, revenues, national exposure etc). I'm not a spokesman for the AFL by any stretch and reckon they way they are doing this is very authoritarian but when all is said and done they see a huge opportunity here and are clearly going for it. It just happens to be your club that is the one they are railroading up there.
BTW, has every club given it's view on whether the Kangaroos should move up there?
whelan=legend
6 Nov 2007, 11:33
Melbourne are a nothing club. Have been for the last 60 years. Nothing club, nothing supporters, nothing coach
Yep i agree, and that why AFL are trying to ship us to the gol..... oh wait.:D:thumbsu:
Starting to feel a bit nervous are we, the fact that you guys along with Footscray are receiving the same CBF as North worry you?
So when North have over 30,000 members next year, ahead of Melbourne and Footscray, what will happen then.
Remember if we go, you go. If North go to Queensland the dogs will be going to Western Sydney leaving you guys as the weakest club in the entire competition and ultimately being forced to merge with another club in Victoria or leading a pitiful existence.
The likes of North, Doggies, Melbourne, StKilda and Hawthorn should be sticking together.
This survival of the fittest, if someone else goes first then it won't be us response is garbage, as each one goes the task for the remaining 'poorer' Melbourne clubs becomes exponentially harder.
How many people in Victoria do you expect to sign up as members (i.e NONE) or extra sponsorship (i.e NOTHING because why would a company put in more money in Victoria if their are less games here) do you expect to gain in North go.
You expect the AFL to give you more money, they won't have any because they will be speding 300 million on a new stadium at Carrara (yes 300 million) and 10 million a year propping up the clu on an annual basis.
Yes 10 million a year and 300 million for a stadium, how much money do you think will be left for Melbourne and the Bulldogs.
I'd suggest you think before dancing on the grave of a Victorian club.
Hardly dancing mate. I think the situation that you guys have been put in is wrong. I merely said that if it is left to Brayshaw and a few others then I can't see it happening but I hope the Kangas can get out of it. I won't bother addressing your other points as you clearly misunderstood my position.
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