View Full Version : Gibbs & Kreuzer vs. Leuenberger & Cotchin
The blue have obviously had the first pick in the last draft and the one coming this month, not to mention 05.
Looking back in hindsight, choosing Gibbs as number 1 when they also flirted at the idea of a ruckman (Leuenberger) and look set to claim a ruckman (Kreuzer) this coming draft while Cotchin is possibly the best midfielder in this years pool (and I still believe Richmond will choose him), what do you think the better combo would be now for Carlton looking back in hindsight.
Gibbs & Kreuzer or Leuenberger & Cotchin
The blue have obviously had the first pick in the last draft and the one coming this month, not to mention 05.
Looking back in hindsight, choosing Gibbs as number 1 when they also flirted at the idea of a ruckman (Leuenberger) and look set to claim a ruckman (Kreuzer) this coming draft while Cotchin is possibly the best midfielder in this years pool (and I still believe Richmond will choose him), what do you think the better combo would be now for Carlton looking back in hindsight.
Gibbs & Kreuzer or Leuenberger & Cotchin
I'd take Leuenberger over Kreuzer and Gibbs over Cotchin so its all square in my view...
smiddaz123
5 Nov 2007, 14:31
Luenberger is so good whatever combination involves him you'd take. The berger will be a star, and Carlton, Essendon and the Kangaroos will all regret passing on him.
delirious1
5 Nov 2007, 14:33
Leuenberger+Lonie>Kreuzer+Gibbs/Kreuzer+Cotchin
BABYBOMBERS2007
5 Nov 2007, 14:36
Leuenberger alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gibbs and Kreuzer
The blue have obviously had the first pick in the last draft and the one coming this month, not to mention 05.
Looking back in hindsight, choosing Gibbs as number 1 ...
lol. Why does it bother you so much? That's the real question isn't it. Talent envy. Pure and Simple. This poll has already turned into a nice little meeting place for anti-Carlton supporters to vent their talent envy. Huge laughes. :)
smiddaz123
5 Nov 2007, 14:44
lol. Why does it bother you so much? That's the real question isn't it. Talent envy. Pure and Simple. This poll has already turned into a nice little meeting place for anti-Carlton supporters to vent their talent envy. Huge laughes. :)
Don't you have any opinion on the question?
Kruezer/Gibbs or Luenberger/Cotchin?
tin can sam
5 Nov 2007, 17:57
I know SFA about Cotchin, but I've seen the berg, and I'd take that combo.
smiddaz123
5 Nov 2007, 18:05
I know SFA about Cotchin, but I've seen the berg, and I'd take that combo.
Cotchin could be in a wheelchair and have down syndrome and you'd still take the combo purely due to the Berger.
There seems to be a direct relationship between the degree of non-Carlton supporter talent envy and the frequency and intensity of their bleatings. Interesting. :)
smiddaz123
5 Nov 2007, 18:57
There seems to be a direct relationship between the degree of non-Carlton supporter talent envy and the frequency and intensity of their bleatings. Interesting. :)
Not really. I happen to rate both Gibbs and kruezer quite highly. I think btoh will become good players.
But I rate Luenberger THAT highly. He's one of the best young players I can remember seeing.
Sherminator.
5 Nov 2007, 18:57
Cotchin could be in a wheelchair and have down syndrome and you'd still take the combo purely due to the Berger.
LOLROFLMAOLAWLELMAOROFLCOPTERWTFBBQMANG!
That was possibly the greatest post ever!
Sherminator.
5 Nov 2007, 18:59
There seems to be a direct relationship between the degree of non-Carlton supporter talent envy and the frequency and intensity of their bleatings. Interesting. :)
Deep down parrot you wish you had Leuenberger, don't you? C'mon, don't deny it mate. :)
Deep down parrot you wish you had Leuenberger, don't you? C'mon, don't deny it mate. :)
Would I want Leuenberger on the Blues List. Absolutely. But Gibbs has a heap more natural talent, and is fact the most talented #1 draft pick in the past 25 years. You just don't pass on that sort of quality. BTW Hampson is a much better athlete than Leuenberger, and may end up being the best ruck from that draft anyway. :)
smiddaz123
5 Nov 2007, 19:12
Would I want Leuenberger on the Blues List. Absolutely. But Gibbs has a heap more natural talent, and is fact the most talented #1 draft pick in the past 25 years. You just don't pass on that sort of quality. BTW Hampson is a much better athlete than Leuenberger, and may end up being the best ruck from that draft anyway. :)
Parrot, I rate Hampson ok? He'll make a good ruckman. But Luenberger is seriously once in a generation player imo. He is head and shoulders above all other young ruckmen. He is athletic, tall, SMART, and has all the natural ability in the world.
Carlton were seriously toying with the idea of taking Luenberger at number 1. There was next to nothing separating Gibbs and Luenberger. Carlton most likely ended up selecting Gibbs based on where he played. Midfield.
Would I want Leuenberger on the Blues List. Absolutely. But Gibbs has a heap more natural talent, and is fact the most talented #1 draft pick in the past 25 years. You just don't pass on that sort of quality. BTW Hampson is a much better athlete than Leuenberger, and may end up being the best ruck from that draft anyway. :)
Good effort seen as though the draft has only been happening for 20 years.
KING-JAMES
5 Nov 2007, 19:23
I think the first option actually. Gibbs cops it hard on here, he is a fantastic young player who has suffered under the weight of expectation. Kreuzer has a fair few doubters but he is a very nice prospect who also has had his tires unfairly pumped up by the media. I really rate Leuenberger and I’m a massive rap for Cotchin but I think the Gibbs and Kreuzer combination is being pretty underrated here and is the better of the 2.
Sherminator.
5 Nov 2007, 20:45
Would I want Leuenberger on the Blues List. Absolutely. But Gibbs has a heap more natural talent, and is fact the most talented #1 draft pick in the past 25 years. You just don't pass on that sort of quality. BTW Hampson is a much better athlete than Leuenberger, and may end up being the best ruck from that draft anyway. :)
LOL, don't compare Hampson to Leuenberger you twit. :) Leuenberger has the ability to play forward, ruck, back and even ruck rover. He runs 2.83 over 20 mtr and shows plenty of maturity. Whereas Hampson is predominantly ruck/forward.
I have seen a heap of of Hampson and there's no chance in hell he'd be a better ruck then Leuenberger, at U18's Gibbs and Leuenberger were head and shoulds beyond the rest of the field. AT AFL level, Leuenberger has shown more than Gibbs and/or Hampson.
Here's some trivia for you parrot, who was the rookie Brisbane ruckman who polled a Brownlow vote in his 7th game versus Everitt and Jolly? :)
Monkeyboy
6 Nov 2007, 17:47
Good Poll.
Gibbs is 9.9 Will be elite onballer for next 12 years. Blues did the right thing in going for him. Disposal is beautiful. Was always going to struggle in a bad side in 07, but will blossom now Carlton have such a strong midfield.
L-Berg will be one of the best rucks in the comp. A gem He is a 9.5 IMO.
Cant split Kreuzer and Cotchin yet, but would not be totally shocked to see carlton pick an onballer as they hacve Hammer Hampson. Like Leuey, Hampson will be one of the elite Rucks.
Gibbs and Anyone>>>Anyone and Anyone.
TheGeneral
6 Nov 2007, 23:43
I'll vote when Kreuzer and Cotchin play a game.
Sherminator, Hampson also ran 2.83 over 20 metres.
Does that mean we can call him a gun ruckman? :rolleyes:
Kreuzer is a better athlete than Leuenberger despite weighing in at 94 kgs and has better endurance than the Berger.
And the Berger is a stick compared to the Kreuzer. ;)
Kreuzer will run off Leuenberger and can win the ball on the deck as well as any big man going around.
Gibbs ran 20 metres in 2.92 seconds after recording a slower time at draft camp.
Leunberger hasn't shown more than Gibbs.
In one years time, Gibbs will be just three months younger than the Berger is right at this moment and has alot more improvement to come. The taller Gibbs would be a more dangerous up forward than Cotchin and kicked 6 goals and notched up 37 possessions in the SANFL as a 17 year old.
Freak.
smiddaz123
7 Nov 2007, 10:07
Leunberger hasn't shown more than Gibbs.
In one years time, Gibbs will be just three months younger than the Berger is right at this moment and has alot more improvement to come.
Freak.
You are a dead set moron.
You think a midfielder has more improvement left in him than a 200cm+ youngster?
You just proved you have absolutely no idea at all.
Congratulations.
How can you bring untried players into the arguement? ...come back at the end of '08
one_twelve112
7 Nov 2007, 12:11
You are a dead set moron.
You think a midfielder has more improvement left in him than a 200cm+ youngster?
You just proved you have absolutely no idea at all.
Congratulations.
Yes. Think David Fanning.
smiddaz123
7 Nov 2007, 15:25
Yes. Think David Fanning.
Are you serious?
We're talking about Luenberger, a total superstar. Not a dud ruckman.
I may as well tell you to think Alan Toovey instead of Bryce Gibbs.
Sherminator.
7 Nov 2007, 23:16
And the Berger is a stick compared to the Kreuzer. ;)
Still didn't stop him from overcoming a Everitt/Jolly combo single handedly. Plus he is about 94-96kg now.
We're talking about Leuenberger, a total superstar. Not a dud ruckman.
Not a superstar yet. Has the potential [as all of the 2006 draftees] to become one, but only time will tell. It's fair to say he and Gibbs will both be elite, but which one would be more needed in a premiership puzzle? You get midfielders dime a dozen (Proud @ 22, Schmidt @ 32, Sheldon@ 70, to name some Lions). But KPP like Leuenberger, Hawkins and Gumbleton are rare talents, the kind of talents that can haul teams across the line in the hard matches.
Take a long at at Rd. 200, 2007. Brisbane V Sydney. Leuenberger played a stellar 7th match, enough to earn a vote. That is the kind of play that will be expected to be common for him in the future. :)
smiddaz123
7 Nov 2007, 23:36
Not a superstar yet. Has the potential [as all of the 2006 draftees] to become one, but only time will tell. It's fair to say he and Gibbs will both be elite, but which one would be more needed in a premiership puzzle? You get midfielders dime a dozen (Proud @ 22, Schmidt @ 32, Sheldon@ 70, to name some Lions). But KPP like Leuenberger, Hawkins and Gumbleton are rare talents, the kind of talents that can haul teams across the line in the hard matches.
Take a long at at Rd. 200, 2007. Brisbane V Sydney. Leuenberger played a stellar 7th match, enough to earn a vote. That is the kind of play that will be expected to be common for him in the future. :)
Luenberger will be a total superstar. The only thing to stop that would be a horror injury run. Good on you guys for getting him pick 4. Any other draft he would've gone number 1. Including this one.
Marc Shmurf 3
8 Nov 2007, 12:48
interesting poll
as a carlton supporter i really cant split the 2 without really thinking about it.
on one hand i think gibbs will be an A grader, but the jury is still out on Cotchin as he has not played a game yet, same with the comparison of Luenberger & Kreuzer.
one the other hand Leunberger was a tasty option last year and i cant believe he slipped to 4. if i had the choice out of Leunberger and Kreuzer it would be Luenberger all the way but the mere fact that we selected Hampson makes the selection of Gibbs over Luenberger a lot easier to swallow.
so when it comes down to it, it would have read like this if we had of taken Luenberger last year
1. Luenberger 17. Jetta 19. Grigg < 1. Gibbs 17. Hampson 19. Grigg
therefore having
Kreuzer, Gibbs, Hampson, Grigg (oh and Juddy:p) >>>>>>>> Luenberger, Cotchin, Jetta, Grigg
IMO only.
cheers
smiddaz123
8 Nov 2007, 12:56
interesting poll
as a carlton supporter i really cant split the 2 without really thinking about it.
on one hand i think gibbs will be an A grader, but the jury is still our on Cotchin as he has not played a game yet, same with the comparison of Luenberger & Kreuzer.
one the other hand Leunberger was a tasty option last year and i cant believe he slipped to 4. if i had the choice out of Leunberger and Kreuzer it would be Luenberger all the way but the mere fact that we selected Hampson makes the selection of Gibbs over Luenberger a lot easier to swallow.
so when it comes down to it, it would have read like this if we had of taken Luenberger last year
1. Luenberger 17. Jetta 19. Grigg < 1. Gibbs 17. Hampson 19. Grigg
therefore having
Kreuzer, Gibbs, Hampson, Grigg (oh and Juddy:p) >>>>>>>> Luenberger, Cotchin, Jetta, Grigg
IMO only.
cheers
Good post, well reasoned.
Monkeyboy
8 Nov 2007, 15:53
interesting poll
as a carlton supporter i really cant split the 2 without really thinking about it.
on one hand i think gibbs will be an A grader, but the jury is still out on Cotchin as he has not played a game yet, same with the comparison of Luenberger & Kreuzer.
one the other hand Leunberger was a tasty option last year and i cant believe he slipped to 4. if i had the choice out of Leunberger and Kreuzer it would be Luenberger all the way but the mere fact that we selected Hampson makes the selection of Gibbs over Luenberger a lot easier to swallow.
so when it comes down to it, it would have read like this if we had of taken Luenberger last year
1. Luenberger 17. Jetta 19. Grigg < 1. Gibbs 17. Hampson 19. Grigg
therefore having
Kreuzer, Gibbs, Hampson, Grigg (oh and Juddy:p) >>>>>>>> Luenberger, Cotchin, Jetta, Grigg
IMO only.
cheers
Holy crap you guys have some talent! Good luck to you!:)