In the modern era has there ever been 2 teams more dissapointing that Hawthorn and St Kilda?

[dutchy12]

In the early 2000s both these clubs recieved first round draft pick after first round draft pick after being clearly the worst 2 performed teams of this era. As the AFL draft is set up, it rewards teams that for some reason or another e.g. poor list management or cultural issues are performing at a sub standard level with the idea that they will soon again be competitive.

Clearly the Saints have been competitive over a number of years and the Hawks just managed to make the finals this year but with the amount of help the AFL has handgiven to them you would seriously expect more. Look at a club like Geelong whose highest pick was pick 6 and they clearly are the best team in the competition. Moreover West Coast and Sydney were able to acheive the ultimate result without much help from the AFL.

I question that if a club like Melbourne or Adelaide had recieved the same amount of draft picks that the likes of Hawthorn and St Kilda did they would have had much more success and at least one premiship by now. But then again the modern mindset of Melbourne and Adelaide players would never allow their respective clubs to slip into a period of contingual bottom 8 performances.

Its interesting to see how clubs can so clearly stuff up despite having so much help from the draft.

[PoidaCat]

Richmond/Melbourne/Carlton Board?

Altough probably less Melbourne as they haven't been spoonfed picks like the other two mentioned teams.

[Big Ronnie]

mmmmmmm?

Ok I'll go with

Richmond
Melbourne
Fremantle
Gold Coast Kangaroos
Footisgrey

And we're away.

Interesting thread coming from a Melburnt supporter, two grannys in half a lifetime, two record losing margins.

Put your leather mask back on and get back in the box under the stairs tool!:thumbsd:

[dutchy12]

mmmmmmm?

Ok I'll go with

Richmond
Melbourne
Fremantle
Gold Coast Kangaroos
Footisgrey

And we're away.

Interesting thread coming from a Melburnt supporter, two grannys in half a lifetime, two record losing margins.

Put your leather mask back on and get back in the box under the stairs tool!:thumbsd:

The success of those clubs is irrelevent as clearly the saints and the hawks have had the most help in terms of the draft in the 2000's. Stop reflecting on the past and focus on modern issues mainly why the Hawks and Saints have not been able to have any real success when if a club such as Footscray was put in the same position they would have had a premiship by now.

[Big Ronnie]

The success of those clubs is irrelevent as clearly the saints and the hawks have had the most help in terms of the draft in the 2000's. Stop reflecting on the past and focus on modern issues mainly why the Hawks and Saints have not been able to have any real success when if a club such as Footscray was put in the same position they would have had a premiship by now.

Funny how supporters of teams without any success always say forget the past?
Well Melbournes immediate future looks about as promising as the past.

And the draft is designed to assist lower finishing teams, so dont cry to hard with your number 3 selection will you? Start a rally to hand it back in amongst your supporters. If you can find any.:rolleyes:

[play2win]

In the early 2000s both these clubs recieved first round draft pick after first round draft pick after being clearly the worst 2 performed teams of this era. As the AFL draft is set up, it rewards teams that for some reason or another e.g. poor list management or cultural issues are performing at a sub standard level with the idea that they will soon again be competitive.

Clearly the Saints have been competitive over a number of years and the Hawks just managed to make the finals this year but with the amount of help the AFL has handgiven to them you would seriously expect more. Look at a club like Geelong whose highest pick was pick 6 and they clearly are the best team in the competition. Moreover West Coast and Sydney were able to acheive the ultimate result without much help from the AFL.

I question that if a club like Melbourne or Adelaide had recieved the same amount of draft picks that the likes of Hawthorn and St Kilda did they would have had much more success and at least one premiship by now. But then again the modern mindset of Melbourne and Adelaide players would never allow their respective clubs to slip into a period of contingual bottom 8 performances.

Its interesting to see how clubs can so clearly stuff up despite having so much help from the draft.
you bludy tool, every club gets a first round draft pick.

the 2 worst performed teams of the era? you cannot be serious? maybe you need some toilet paper to wipe that shit coming out of your keybored.

what handgiven help from the afl are you referring to? each club can only play to the rules that apply to every club (ie. the draft system), the draft system is not a handout.

like all the demon supporters on this board, you come across as a moron.

[dutchy12]

Funny how supporters of teams without any success always say forget the past?
Well Melbournes immediate future looks about as promising as the past.

And the draft is designed to assist lower finishing teams, so dont cry to hard with your number 3 selection will you? Start a rally to hand it back in amongst your supporters. If you can find any.:rolleyes:

We had a bad year and subsequently were being rewarded by the AFL with pick 4 actually. We'll be back next year our record from missing out on the finals and then making them the following year when everyone doubts us speaks for itself. We have played the most finals out of any victorian team in the past 10 years, its 2nd nature to us. Most AFL supports would agree it Just doesn;t seem right with out the Dees in the top 8.

Over this period we've never had a 2 or more years in the bottom 8 such as the Hawks or Saints have had. We've never had the chance to contingually pick up early first round draft picks but if we had we certainly would of had a lot more success than the Hawks or Saints.

Lets get back on topic rather why have the hawks and saints been so dissapointing?

[Frankston Rover]

In the early 2000s both these clubs recieved first round draft pick after first round draft pick after being clearly the worst 2 performed teams of this era. As the AFL draft is set up, it rewards teams that for some reason or another e.g. poor list management or cultural issues are performing at a sub standard level with the idea that they will soon again be competitive.

Clearly the Saints have been competitive over a number of years and the Hawks just managed to make the finals this year but with the amount of help the AFL has handgiven to them you would seriously expect more. Look at a club like Geelong whose highest pick was pick 6 and they clearly are the best team in the competition. Moreover West Coast and Sydney were able to acheive the ultimate result without much help from the AFL.

I question that if a club like Melbourne or Adelaide had recieved the same amount of draft picks that the likes of Hawthorn and St Kilda did they would have had much more success and at least one premiship by now. But then again the modern mindset of Melbourne and Adelaide players would never allow their respective clubs to slip into a period of contingual bottom 8 performances.

Its interesting to see how clubs can so clearly stuff up despite having so much help from the draft.

OK, where do we start with this one?

You had a number 1 pick - Travis Johnstone - you know, the guy you just traded. And you've got another #1 draft pick playing for you - Jeff White.

You've also got:
Colin Sylvia - pick 3
Brock McLean - pick 5
Luke Molan - pick 9

as draftees from the last few years.

Yet, with all this 'help', you've acheived very, very little.

Secondly, your club is spoon-fed by the AFL, so both onfield and off, your club is a basketcase.

You absolute fool.:thumbsd:

[forrrestGump]

hawks are a basket case
sack them all
who would have bipassed judd=dudd
bring back dipper a real champion

[tin can sam]

When does the modern era start, because the 2 teams I feel have been most dissapointing in my lifetime are Hawthorn and Richmond, with The Dogs and Saints not far behind.

Freo are also a joke.

[Look2Me4Guidance]

We had a bad year and subsequently were being rewarded by the AFL with pick 4 actually. We'll be back next year our record from missing out on the finals and then making them the following year when everyone doubts us speaks for itself. We have played the most finals out of any victorian team in the past 10 years, its 2nd nature to us. Most AFL supports would agree it Just doesn;t seem right with out the Dees in the top 8.

Over this period we've never had a 2 or more years in the bottom 8 such as the Hawks or Saints have had. We've never had the chance to contingually pick up early first round draft picks but if we had we certainly would of had a lot more success than the Hawks or Saints.

Lets get back on topic rather why have the hawks and saints been so dissapointing?

That's a great way of saying you can't make the finals in consecutive years. Don't get upset at the Saints and Hawks just because they have a general idea on recruiting pal.......you had the first pick out of everyone in 1997 and you chose T Johnstone.....as the old saying goes....you can't help those who can't help themselves...

[Oh When the Saints]

In the early 2000s both these clubs recieved first round draft pick after first round draft pick after being clearly the worst 2 performed teams of this era.

From 1998 to 2005 (incl), here is the list of how many first round picks each club has used in the draft:

Adelaide - 7
Brisbane Lions - 8
Carlton - 8
Collingwood - 8
Essendon - 10
Fremantle - 10
Geelong - 8
Hawthorn - 10
Kangaroos - 9
Melbourne - 10
Port Adelaide - 9
Richmond - 7
St Kilda - 10
Sydney - 4
West Coast - 8
Western Bulldogs - 10

Clearly the Saints have been competitive over a number of years and the Hawks just managed to make the finals this year but with the amount of help the AFL has handgiven to them you would seriously expect more.

If your expectations of success are based on the number of first round draft selections used (which is the basis of your argument), then:
Essendon, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Melbourne, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs should all have "produced more".

I question that if a club like Melbourne or Adelaide had recieved the same amount of draft picks that the likes of Hawthorn and St Kilda did they would have had much more success and at least one premiship by now.

Actually mate, Melbourne have received the same number of first round draft picks, and have not reached a Preliminary Final since 2000 (your time period).

But of course, Melbourne would have "at least one premiership by now" :rolleyes:

Adelaide have done well by your measure, I agree.

Its interesting to see how clubs can so clearly stuff up despite having so much help from the draft.

Yes I agree.

Good thing Melbourne sacked their coach. Hopefully they avoid such a big stuff-up over the next few years, despite having so much help from the draft.

[Oh When the Saints]

We've never had the chance to contingually pick up early first round draft picks but if we had we certainly would of had a lot more success than the Hawks or Saints.

Really?

Melbourne have had more first round picks than St Kilda since 2000

Dees - 9
Saints - 8

[Brown n Gold]

Beau Muston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melbourne Demons

[play2win]

Really?

Melbourne have had more first round picks than St Kilda since 2000

Dees - 9
Saints - 8
much to sensible, where is the fun in that?

scientifically proven, dutchy12<moron

[Frankston Rover]

When does the modern era start, because the 2 teams I feel have been most dissapointing in my lifetime are Hawthorn and Richmond, with The Dogs and Saints not far behind.

Freo are also a joke.

So you're aged under 12?

Hawthorn played finals in 1991-94, 1996, 2000-01. We were 9 points off a Grand Final in 01 and we haven't finished last since the early 70's.

Given sides like Richmond, St.Kilda, Carlton, The Bulldogs, Melbourne, Collingwood have all had few highs and major lows (and no flags) Hawthorns record looks pretty good.

[Mr Lizard]

The Reverend took you close. Oh, so close.

If we are going to relive Melbourne's gloriously successful recent past, I think it fitting we also relive some tributes to Melbourne:

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/826/thereverendab7.jpg


Here is most up to date record of a Melbourne premiership

http://data1.blog.de/blog/c/cambru/img/Cave-painting-2.jpg

And I recently bought a copy of the Official Melbourne Football Club book, it's called,"Melbourne FC - The Greatest Moments 1970-2006"

It's only 3 pages long buts it's a great read.

It's even got an interactive section where you pull a tab on the side of the page and Jim Stynes runs infront of Bucky. Great stuff.

I got mine signed by Brock McLean. In crayon.

So Neale,


-Yes?
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200508/r55033_149557.jpg






You have come so close, again.
But at the end of the day you have failed. Again.

Do you know how you are going to turn things around?



-Hmmmm. Let me think about that........
http://www.sportal.com.au/photos/news/058623news.jpg




-Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
http://www.sportal.com.au/photos/news/080714news.jpg


I've composed a couple of poems of my own. It took me a lot of time and effort and I've been obsessing about it for days and days. Tell me what you think.

This one is called "Tragic":

We built up our hopes when Aaron Davey
gave us some magic to remember
But Dockers have crushed our dreams
It's been another tragic September


I've been working on another one, a bit experimental, it's called "Next Year"
Not this year Dee Fans, not this year.
Next year Dee fans, maybe next year.

http://www.wangcenter.org/menu-items/violinist.jpg

All together now!

It's a grand old Jag
It's an X-type sedan
It's got roof racks for me and for you
That's where the skis go
When we go to the snow
We're going to Perisher Blue...


Reminiscing is fun!

[NitWit]

St. Kilda unfortunately were decimated by injuries. You can't blame that on them.

But Hawthorn for sure - worst team of the modern area. Tin pot club who popped up to win a few flags, and have ridden it into the 21st Century:thumbsu:

[Big Ronnie]

St. Kilda unfortunately were decimated by injuries. You can't blame that on them.

But Hawthorn for sure - worst team of the modern area. Tin pot club who popped up to win a few flags, and have ridden it into the 21st Century:thumbsu:


Oh nitters... Hawthorn has been the most successful club and won the most premierships over the last 35 years.

Whammy!http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/photo/david_koechner.jpg

[howiehowie]

From 1998 to 2005 (incl), here is the list of how many first round picks each club has used in the draft:

Adelaide - 7
Brisbane Lions - 8
Carlton - 8
Collingwood - 8
Essendon - 10
Fremantle - 10
Geelong - 8
Hawthorn - 10
Kangaroos - 9
Melbourne - 10
Port Adelaide - 9
Richmond - 7
St Kilda - 10
Sydney - 4
West Coast - 8
Western Bulldogs - 10



If your expectations of success are based on the number of first round draft selections used (which is the basis of your argument), then:
Essendon, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Melbourne, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs should all have "produced more".




Essendon have won a premiership in the modern era you absolute tard

So what success have we not had that was expected?

[Frankston Rover]

St. Kilda unfortunately were decimated by injuries. You can't blame that on them.

But Hawthorn for sure - worst team of the modern area. Tin pot club who popped up to win a few flags, and have ridden it into the 21st Century:thumbsu:

9 >>>> 7

And at least we 'popped up' for a few flags late last century.

You 'popped up' for your in the 20's.:thumbsu:

[dutchy12]

Oh nitters... Hawthorn has been the most successful club and won the most premierships over the last 35 years.

Whammy!http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/photo/david_koechner.jpg

Unfortantly Hawthorn have been the least successfull side since the 2000's. Yes that's right statistically just as bad as Carlton. It doesn't matter what you did in the 80s its about now.

If any other of the Victorian clubs have had as much help from the AFL in terms of draft picks they would have had a premiship by now THESE 2 CLUBS don't.

Why is that? Culture, poor resourcing, etc?

[Mr Lizard]

Unfortantly Hawthorn have been the least successfull side since the 2000's. Yes that's right statistically just as bad as Carlton. It doesn't matter what you did in the 80s its about now.

If any other of the Victorian clubs have had as much help from the AFL in terms of draft picks they would have had a premiship by now THESE 2 CLUBS don't.

Why is that? Culture, poor resourcing, etc?

Melbourne has been successful since 2000.:thumbsu:

[Frankston Rover]

Unfortantly Hawthorn have been the least successfull side since the 2000's. Yes that's right statistically just as bad as Carlton. It doesn't matter what you did in the 80s its about now.

If any other of the Victorian clubs have had as much help from the AFL in terms of draft picks they would have had a premiship by now THESE 2 CLUBS don't.

Why is that? Culture, poor resourcing, etc?

What 'statistics' are you using?

Cause I sure as hell don't remember us winning two wooden spoons...

[huggy_b]

Essendon have won a premiership in the modern era you absolute tard

So what success have we not had that was expected?

Probably should have done better in 99 and 01. But woulda coulda shoulda.

[Frankston Rover]

I suggest you look here:

http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/alltime.php?t2=&yrfm=2000&yrto=2007&gnd=0&inat=4&when=

It shows that there are at least 5 teams 'statistically' worse off than the Hawks since 2000.

Notice Melbourne is just ahead of the Hawks in 10th spot...

[Mr Lizard]

Notice Melbourne is just ahead of the Hawks in 10th spot...

They have enjoyed a very successful era.:thumbsu:

[skipjack]

In the early 2000s both these clubs recieved first round draft pick after first round draft pick after being clearly the worst 2 performed teams of this era.

Hmmmmmmm.

Hawks results 2000 - 2003: 8th, 6th, 10th, 9th. These are fairly middle of the road results. Your statement makes it sound like they came last every year to grab number one draft picks. They clearly did not.

St Kilda did suffer during that time period. 16th, 15th, 15th and 11th.

Freo finished 12, 16, 13 and 14th. I dare say Freo was the second worst performing team.

As the AFL draft is set up, it rewards teams that for some reason or another e.g. poor list management or cultural issues are performing at a sub standard level with the idea that they will soon again be competitive.

?

Clearly the Saints have been competitive over a number of years and the Hawks just managed to make the finals this year but with the amount of help the AFL has handgiven to them you would seriously expect more.

The Saints did improve. They went 3rd, 4th and 6th from 2004-2006. Do you only judge success by premierships? Only one team can win it each year. Do you 'seriously expect more' from every other club? Sure, the Saints faithful would have hoped for a premiership during that time, but given that they have been the worst performed club in the game's history (38% winning average), I'm sure that the 3rd, 4th and 6th tasted pretty sweet.

The Hawks did go downhill (as all clubs do at times) and duly sacked their coach for it. Since then Clarko has gone about trading away players and accruing youngsters. This has resulted in an improvement to 5th in 2007 with the youngest list in the game. This has been done in an effort to develop a dynasty lasting several years.

Will it work? Time will tell.

Look at a club like Geelong whose highest pick was pick 6 and they clearly are the best team in the competition. Moreover West Coast and Sydney were able to acheive the ultimate result without much help from the AFL.

Without much help? How did West Coast get Judd? They didn't trade for him. They finished 14th (on the back of 13th the year before).

I question that if a club like Melbourne or Adelaide had recieved the same amount of draft picks that the likes of Hawthorn and St Kilda did they would have had much more success and at least one premiship by now.

Melbourne did (draft picks) and they haven't (Premiership).

But then again the modern mindset of Melbourne and Adelaide players would never allow their respective clubs to slip into a period of contingual bottom 8 performances.

We will see. Is it odd or even years that Melbourne perform?

Its interesting to see how clubs can so clearly stuff up despite having so much help from the draft.





Hmmmmm.

[Deenamite]

Evening all,
I cbf quoting all the Tasmanian idiots. We had an unfortunate season, utterly ravaged by injuires and you fools overexceeded your potential and only got there through tanking.

All those that under-rate MelbourneFC will pay a heavy cost. We thump those unawares. Courtesy to Mr Lizard for that quote who regularly uses it as his motto in regard to his sexual ideals.

[The Kipster]

Evening all.

Hey Dungamite.......where is Juddy? didn't he barrack for you guy's as a kid...your club must be very impressive that he decided to end up at the cheaters...:)

[Deenamite]

Hey Dungamite.......where is Juddy? didn't he barrack for you guy's as a kid...your club must be very impressive that he decided to end up at the cheaters...:)

More originality from you ****ster. Loving that mate. Just remind me why Juddy didn't choose your club again?

[forrrestGump]

deemerger lang off the hawks
they have had their wings clipped by the vet

[Deenamite]

deemerger lang off the hawks
they have had their wings clipped by the vet

Good one forrestGimp. What exactly do you mean by lang off? Oh I get it now.

You didn't attend a college or grammar and your parents worked in a factory. Sound familiar?

[The Kipster]

More originality from you ****ster. Loving that mate. Just remind me why Juddy didn't choose your club again?
Hard to fit into a club that has an 'A grade' midfield..but I guess you wouldn't know about that would you?

[SM10]

Hard to fit into a club that has an 'A grade' midfield..but I guess you wouldn't know about that would you?
I really do think Juddy had a few worries about taking Sewell's spot;)

[The Kipster]

I really do think Juddy had a few worries about taking Sewell's spot;)

Care factor is 'zero' ....you just worry about knightsie as a coach, as you can see you have alot more worries than we do :rolleyes:

[SM10]

Care factor is 'zero' ....you just worry about knightsie as a coach, as you can see you have alot more worries than we do :rolleyes:
*injunction*

:rolleyes:

[SM10]

Worried?

[2011AndCounting]

mmmmmmm?

Ok I'll go with

Richmond
Melbourne
Fremantle
Gold Coast Kangaroos
Footisgrey

And we're away.

Interesting thread coming from a Melburnt supporter, two grannys in half a lifetime, two record losing margins.

Put your leather mask back on and get back in the box under the stairs tool!:thumbsd:
How many number 1 picks have the Tigers had in the history of the draft.
Not as many as you think, But I will let you answer the question since you made the statement,
Though i don't agree we have been awful

[2011AndCounting]

So you're aged under 12?

Hawthorn played finals in 1991-94, 1996, 2000-01. We were 9 points off a Grand Final in 01 and we haven't finished last since the early 70's.

Given sides like Richmond, St.Kilda, Carlton, The Bulldogs, Melbourne, Collingwood have all had few highs and major lows (and no flags) Hawthorns record looks pretty good.
Tigers have 10 flags
Hawks have 8 or 9 isn't it.
retract your statement
We have enough flags to top you.:D

[dutchy12]

They have enjoyed a very successful era.:thumbsu:

More successfull than the Hawks that for sure on field and off field as well. And also were a more successfull club 12 premiships to 9, I think it is. But that is irrelevent we haven't had as much help from the darft as the Hawks have had and were still better. There must be a real problem down at Waverly!

[The Cryptkeeper]

In the early 2000s both these clubs recieved first round draft pick after first round draft pick after being clearly the worst 2 performed teams of this era. As the AFL draft is set up, it rewards teams that for some reason or another e.g. poor list management or cultural issues are performing at a sub standard level with the idea that they will soon again be competitive.

Clearly the Saints have been competitive over a number of years and the Hawks just managed to make the finals this year but with the amount of help the AFL has handgiven to them you would seriously expect more. Look at a club like Geelong whose highest pick was pick 6 and they clearly are the best team in the competition. Moreover West Coast and Sydney were able to acheive the ultimate result without much help from the AFL.

I question that if a club like Melbourne or Adelaide had recieved the same amount of draft picks that the likes of Hawthorn and St Kilda did they would have had much more success and at least one premiship by now. But then again the modern mindset of Melbourne and Adelaide players would never allow their respective clubs to slip into a period of contingual bottom 8 performances.

Its interesting to see how clubs can so clearly stuff up despite having so much help from the draft.

The best trolls are those that don't have to resort to blatant lying so let me correct you on a couple of things.

Hawthorn never won a wooden spoon in that time. We've had ONE, that's right idiot, count 'em....ONE priority pick during our history. We used that on Jarryd Roughead and even then, this was a priority pick that was secondary to Richmond who had pick one in that particular draft. Many other first round picks that we have had, including Luke Hodge we have had to trade for.

Don't let the truth get in the way of your bullshit though.

[Deenamite]

Hard to fit into a club that has an 'A grade' midfield..but I guess you wouldn't know about that would you?

*injunction*

:rolleyes:

What SM10 said. :thumbsu:

[SM10]

Probably should have done better in 99 and 01. But woulda coulda shoulda.
Coming from a Saints supporter...

Hahahaha:o

[ep2006]

I can't believe Fremantle are escaping criticism.

Not only were they shit and finished low on the ladder in the early 2000's, they gained draft picks galore and did SFA until their lucky run in 2006.

[dutchy12]

The best trolls are those that don't have to resort to blatant lying so let me correct you on a couple of things.

Hawthorn never won a wooden spoon in that time. We've had ONE, that's right idiot, count 'em....ONE priority pick during our history. We used that on Jarryd Roughead and even then, this was a priority pick that was secondary to Richmond who had pick one in that particular draft. Many other first round picks that we have had, including Luke Hodge we have had to trade for.

Don't let the truth get in the way of your bullshit though.

I never stated that the hawks have had a wooden spoon? What are you on about?

And also you've had 2 priority picks Roughead and Ellis. Don't let the this get in the way of your bullshit? Lol I find this a little comical when it is clearly you making up statstics to back up your poor arguments :D

[Leather Poisoning]

Well this thread has backfired pretty badly.

Just another Melbourne failure I suppose.

[Mr Lizard]

Evening all,
I cbf quoting all the Tasmanian idiots. We had an unfortunate season, utterly ravaged by injuires and you fools overexceeded your potential and only got there through tanking.

All those that under-rate MelbourneFC will pay a heavy cost. We thump those unawares. Courtesy to Mr Lizard for that quote who regularly uses it as his motto in regard to his sexual ideals.

What quote are you thanking me for exactly? I don't get it.

If you are trying to hang shit on me, you have to actually type the words not just think them.

Thanks for thinking of me though.:thumbsu:
(I've got a fan!)

Just remind me why Juddy didn't choose your club again?
whatever. I think he had some issues with our issues.

Why didn't he choose your club? Nothing to do with issues, you guys are just shit.

More successfull than the Hawks that for sure on field and off field as well. And also were a more successfull club 12 premiships to 9, I think it is. But that is irrelevent we haven't had as much help from the darft as the Hawks have had and were still better. There must be a real problem down at Waverly!

How many premierships since 'Twist and shout' ????

None? Not much to shout about, although I imagine it would twist you up inside.

How many number one draft picks did you have running around last season? It's not our fault you pick spuds and we get good players.

oh, best for last: Melbourne are more successful than Hawthorn off field! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

facilities board (or 'impaired faculties' board, if you prefer)

[geelong_crazy26]

last 10 years hawthorn have only made the finals 3 times, only richmond and freo have made the finals less than this in the last 10 years.

[dutchy12]

last 10 years hawthorn have only made the finals 3 times, only richmond and freo have made the finals less than this in the last 10 years.

Not very suprising with thier culture

[Eagle1/Syd]

1) Shitmantle they are well on top of the heap.2) Gold Coast i have no money Roos ( if they cant support themselves get rid of them)

[Mr Lizard]

last 10 years hawthorn have only made the finals 3 times, only richmond and freo have made the finals less than this in the last 10 years.

Fair enough, we have been pretty ordinary over the last ten years. Still, we've managed to beat you pretty regularly, including the only time we met in finals.

How many times has Geelong made the finals in the last ten years?

[Deenamite]

What quote are you thanking me for exactly? I don't get it.

If you are trying to hang shit on me, you have to actually type the words not just think them.

Thanks for thinking of me though.:thumbsu:
(I've got a fan!)


whatever. I think he had some issues with our issues.

Why didn't he choose your club? Nothing to do with issues, you guys are just shit.



How many premierships since 'Twist and shout' ????

None? Not much to shout about, although I imagine it would twist you up inside.

How many number one draft picks did you have running around last season? It's not our fault you pick spuds and we get good players.

oh, best for last: Melbourne are more successful than Hawthorn off field! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

facilities board (or 'impaired faculties' board, if you prefer)

Awww. Tassie has issues. :( :thumbsu:

[Mr Lizard]

Awww. Tassie has issues. :( :thumbsu:

Melbourne doesn't have issues.

They have nothing.

[drunk_in_public]

hahaha, a melbourne supporter calling the hawthorn football club a failure.

Thats like a bloke calling you gay whilst sucking a C*ck.

[The Kipster]

Its interesting to see how clubs can so clearly stuff up despite having so much help from the draft.

Intersting point..though it didn't help your Mum's lesbian weight lifting team :confused:

[Tonycam*]

St Kilda has been disapointing for whats been expected from them over the years. But in the whole modern era you would have to say the Tigers have that crown.

[geelong_crazy26]

Fair enough, we have been pretty ordinary over the last ten years. Still, we've managed to beat you pretty regularly, including the only time we met in finals.

How many times has Geelong made the finals in the last ten years?

geelong has made the finals 5 times

[geelong_crazy26]

geelong has made the finals 5 times

4 times which is still more than hawthorn

[Roughie]

4 times which is still more than hawthorn

9 To 7 Which is still 2 more than Geelong.


But no need to repeat your self Geelong Crazy.....Let me guess "You guys havent won a premiership in a fully developed competition" :rolleyes:

[Deenamite]

Melbourne doesn't have issues.

They have a brilliant future under a youthful coach and promising list.

Thanks for that honest appraisel Mr Lizard. :thumbsu:

[fishbowl]

In the early 2000s both these clubs recieved first round draft pick after first round draft pick after being clearly the worst 2 performed teams of this era. As the AFL draft is set up, it rewards teams that for some reason or another e.g. poor list management or cultural issues are performing at a sub standard level with the idea that they will soon again be competitive.

Clearly the Saints have been competitive over a number of years and the Hawks just managed to make the finals this year but with the amount of help the AFL has handgiven to them you would seriously expect more. Look at a club like Geelong whose highest pick was pick 6 and they clearly are the best team in the competition. Moreover West Coast and Sydney were able to acheive the ultimate result without much help from the AFL.

I question that if a club like Melbourne or Adelaide had recieved the same amount of draft picks that the likes of Hawthorn and St Kilda did they would have had much more success and at least one premiship by now. But then again the modern mindset of Melbourne and Adelaide players would never allow their respective clubs to slip into a period of contingual bottom 8 performances.

Its interesting to see how clubs can so clearly stuff up despite having so much help from the draft.

How disappointing has Melbourne been since 1964?

Geelong have been disappointing in the modern era. They have only won one premiership since 1963.

[keefriffhard]

How disappointing has Melbourne been since 1964?

If you shift the sample to 1965 they actually fail to register an average. :thumbsu:

[Deenamite]

How disappointing has Melbourne been since 1964?

Geelong have been disappointing in the modern era. They have only won one premiership since 1963.

How disapointing that we have such a bright future. How disapointing we'll be spending it in Melbourne and you'll be seeing it from Tassie?

[tin can sam]

So you're aged under 12?

Hawthorn played finals in 1991-94, 1996, 2000-01. We were 9 points off a Grand Final in 01 and we haven't finished last since the early 70's.

Given sides like Richmond, St.Kilda, Carlton, The Bulldogs, Melbourne, Collingwood have all had few highs and major lows (and no flags) Hawthorns record looks pretty good.

No, I'm 19. And My footballing life starts at age 5 at the start of 1994. Since then Hawthorn and Richmond have been dissapointing. I was so happy when the Hawkes made the finals in 96, because in my mind, they were always underdogs, and not a good team.

The dogs were big challengers to us in 97, so were the saints, who made the GF, which is why these 2 aren't down on your level.

Collingwood were until they made GF's in 2002 and 2003.

Freo are simply a joke, and Melbourne made a GF, and seemed to be in finals every second year.

Take that as you want, but for the record, in my mind Richmond are on a lower level then you guys. If you honestly think I'm trolling, or having a go at the Hawkes I'm not, think about how you guys have been since 94, and you'll see my point.

[fishbowl]

No, I'm 19. And My footballing life starts at age 5 at the start of 1994. Since then Hawthorn and Richmond have been dissapointing. I was so happy when the Hawkes made the finals in 96, because in my mind, they were always underdogs, and not a good team.

The dogs were big challengers to us in 97, so were the saints, who made the GF, which is why these 2 aren't down on your level.

Collingwood were until they made GF's in 2002 and 2003.

Freo are simply a joke, and Melbourne made a GF, and seemed to be in finals every second year.

Take that as you want, but for the record, in my mind Richmond are on a lower level then you guys. If you honestly think I'm trolling, or having a go at the Hawkes I'm not, think about how you guys have been since 94, and you'll see my point.

I agree Richmond are the biggest joke, 1980 Premiers, 1982 Grand Finalist, 1995 Finalist and 2001 Preliminary Finalist.

You are 19, you were born in 1988 or 1989. Both good years.

[Mr Lizard]

4 times which is still more than hawthorn

Yes, that is a lot more than Hawthorn. Unbridled success for the Catters.:thumbsu:

[Mr Lizard]

Thanks for that honest appraisel Mr Lizard. :thumbsu:

Judd didn't even consider Hawthorn...but he did consider Melbourne.:D

It must be the promising young list, and youthful coach - neither of which Hawthorn has:( - which led him to such weighty consideration.
I heard he thought your proposal was first class.

Honestly, I can't figure out why he turned you guys down.

[ChunkyDuckling]

think about how you guys have been since 94, and you'll see my point.

You are right mate, we have been average for some time and made some questionable choices since you've been on this Earth, but it looks good from here.... On and off the field.... Finally! ;)

If you honestly think I'm trolling, or having a go at the Hawkes I'm not

Then why post such stirring words in Bay 13?? You are enjoying putting them down, just because the malice isn't outwardly shown doesn't mean it can't be seen.
I did the same thing with the Kangas (not proud of it now) so I know what you're up to. Wear your heart on your sleeve, you will get more respect that way. :thumbsd:

[dutchy12]

Im extremely suprised Alistair Clarkson thinks the Hawks are now in a poisition to win a premiship. The desicion to recruit Dew confirms this. I still think that they are a couple more low 1st round draft picks off, if one club was ever to drop in form siginificantly liek the Dogs did in 2007 it will eb the hawks

[Frankston Rover]

Well it's going to be hard for the Dees to 'drop in form' given they finished bottom 4...

I love the way guys on here justify Melbournes place above the Hawks by saying they played in a Granny (Didn't they lose that by 10 goals?).

Yes the Hawks have been down but, given we played finals from 1982-1994, given the off field issues, some of the drafting and some of the coaches, it's hardly surprising we have lacked success. But teams like St. Kilda, Richmond, Melbourne, Bulldogs, Fremantle and Carlton (Thier last flag was in 95, remember), they surely have to be grouped with us as sides who have been poor over the last 10-15 years.

Most sides make finals (bar Richmond). Some have played in GF's. But to say Melbourne have been more successful than Hawthorn in the modern era on the back of a 10 goal Grand Final loss and a few poxy Elimination Finals is laughable.

Even worse is the digs after this season. If the footy public think we are that bad, why are there so many threads devoted to us? Is it because they can see we are a real chance to be a force over the next 3-5 seasons?

If anyone has the guts to admit they are envious of our list, they will have my admiration. Somehow I doubt this will happen...

[Hodge2Franklin]

Im extremely suprised Alistair Clarkson thinks the Hawks are now in a poisition to win a premiship. The desicion to recruit Dew confirms this. I still think that they are a couple more low 1st round draft picks off, if one club was ever to drop in form siginificantly liek the Dogs did in 2007 it will eb the hawks

Translation = H2F says no one EVER answers me. They did ONCE and I am gonna prove it to you ALL ...

You're still a FLOG buddy, and a highly rated one at that.

[RandB]

The Reverend took you close. Oh, so close.

If we are going to relive Melbourne's gloriously successful recent past, I think it fitting we also relive some tributes to Melbourne:











Reminiscing is fun!
Lizard I see you are on the Danniher train again. Will it ever dawn on you that during the Daniher years Melbourne made the finals twice as often as the piss 'n poo army. This thread is crap I agree but don't go having a go at us because we had a coach who enjoyed an era instead of 3 or 4 coaches who were replaced almost as often as the batteries in your sex toys.:thumbsu:

[Aussie Joe]

Carlton Board? .

PC. You need to take your hand off it really. You might want to have kids one day !!!

[Frankston Rover]

Lizard I see you are on the Danniher train again. Will it ever dawn on you that during the Daniher years Melbourne made the finals twice as often as the piss 'n poo army. This thread is crap I agree but don't go having a go at us because we had a coach who enjoyed an era instead of 3 or 4 coaches who were replaced almost as often as the batteries in your sex toys.:thumbsu:

He enjoyed an "era", did he? :D

An 'era' of up and down performances, capped of by a few token finals and a 10 goal Grand Final drubbing.

Wow. Makes our era of 83-91 look second rate.... :rolleyes:

[RandB]

He enjoyed an "era", did he? :D

An 'era' of up and down performances, capped of by a few token finals and a 10 goal Grand Final drubbing.

Wow. Makes our era of 83-91 look second rate.... :rolleyes:
No it makes the same 10 years at Hawthorn look second rate.:thumbsu:

[Frankston Rover]

Flags in the last 10 years:
Hawthorn: 0
Melbourne: 0

Flags in the last 20 years:
Hawthorn: 3
Melbourne: 0

Flags in the last 30 years:
Hawthorn: 6
Melbourne: 0

Flags in the last 40 years:
Hawthorn: 8
Melbourne: 0

Yep, you're on a winner with that call...

[Leather Poisoning]

Lizard I see you are on the Danniher train again. Will it ever dawn on you that during the Daniher years Melbourne made the finals twice as often as the piss 'n poo army. This thread is crap I agree but don't go having a go at us because we had a coach who enjoyed an era instead of 3 or 4 coaches who were replaced almost as often as the batteries in your sex toys.:thumbsu:

Melbourne supporters can't work out whether to brag about Daniher or not.

Perennially inconsistent, yet they proclaim the 'success' of his reign. Then he is sacked and suddenly it's "Watch out for the dees!"

Schwab made finals too, you know.

[skipjack]

In the modern era has there ever been a more disappointing spelling error?

[AC for PM]

http://www.hyperrealandsupercool.com/images/bump.jpg

[jazz]

and a Melbourne supporter to boot......

He should be more worried with survival.

We could lend him some of our $4M+ profit this year but nah.. :D

[Hawkk]

I like this stat

Since 1964

Hawthorn - 9 flags
Melbourne - 0 flags

/thread

[Falchoon]

Here is the reason Melbourne are so crap, 2001 Superdraft

Round Pick Player Recruited from Club
Priority 1 Luke Hodge Geelong Falcons Hawthorn
Priority 2 Luke Ball Sandringham Dragons St Kilda
Priority 3 Chris Judd Sandringham Dragons West Coast Eagles
1 4 Graham Polak East Fremantle Football Club Fremantle
1 5 Xavier Clarke St Mary's Football Club St Kilda
1 6 Ashley Sampi South Fremantle Football Club West Coast Eagles
1 7 David Hale Broadbeach Kangaroos
1 8 James Bartel Geelong Falcons Geelong
1 9 Luke Molan Geelong Falcons Melbourne
1 10 Sam Power Oakleigh Chargers Western Bulldogs
1 11 Richard Cole Eastern Rangers Collingwood
1 12 Brent Reilly Calder Cannons Adelaide
1 13 Nick Dal Santo Bendigo Pioneers St Kilda
1 14 Ashley Watson Bendigo Pioneers Kangaroos
1 15 Barry Brooks Tasmania Mariners Port Adelaide
1 16 Rick Ladson Bendigo Pioneers Hawthorn
1 17 James Kelly Calder Cannons Geelong
1 18 Shane Harvey Northern Knights Essendon
1 19 Jason Gram Gippsland Power Brisbane Lions
2 20 Daniel Elstone Bendigo Pioneers Hawthorn
2 21 Matt Maguire Geelong Falcons St Kilda
2 22 Mark Seaby West Perth Football Club West Coast
2 23 Charlie Gardiner Sandringham Dragons Geelong
2 24 Steve Johnson Murray Bushrangers Geelong
2 25 Steven Armstrong Perth Football Club Melbourne :thumbsd:
2 26 Aaron Rogers NSW/ACT Rams Melbourne :thumbsd:
2 27 Tom Davidson Geelong Falcons Collingwood
2 28 Mark Powell Murray Bushrangers Sydney
2 29 Lewis Roberts-Thomson NSW/ACT Rams Sydney
2 30 Rod Crowe Sandringham Dragons Kangaroos
2 31 Joel Reynolds Geelong Falcons Essendon
2 32 Campbell Brown Oakleigh Chargers Hawthorn
2 33 David Rodan Calder Cannons Richmond
2 34 Simon O'Keefe Murray Bushrangers Essendon
2 35 Jarrad Wright Woodville-West Torrens Brisbane Lions
3 36 Sam Mitchell Box Hill Hawks Hawthorn
3 37 Leigh Montagna Northern Knights St Kilda
3 38 Ashley Hansen Oakleigh Chargers West Coast Eagles
3 39 Justin Davies Murray Bushrangers Carlton
3 40 (F/S) Gary Ablett, Jr. Geelong Falcons Geelong
3 41 Henry Playfair NSW/ACT Rams Geelong
3 42 Kieran McGuinness Eastern Rangers Western Bulldogs
3 43 Mark McGough Murray Bushrangers Collingwood
3 44 Ben Finnin Northern Knights Adelaide
3 45 Nathan Clarke Brisbane Brisbane Lions
3 46 Jarrad Waite Murray Bushrangers Carlton
3 47 Andrew Welsh Calder Cannons Essendon
3 48 Simon Cox Western Bulldogs Hawthorn
3 49 Josh Houlihan Murray Bushrangers St Kilda
3 50 Paul Salmon Hawthorn Essendon
3 51 Pass - Brisbane Lions
4 52 Andrew Browne Claremont Fremantle
4 53 Daniel Hunt South Fremantle Sydney
4 54 Ben Robbins Kangaroos Brisbane Lions
4 55 Brad Miller Mt Gravatt Melbourne :thumbsu:
4 56 Paul Medhurst Claremont Fremantle
4 57 Brent Colbert Northern Knights Western Bulldogs
4 58 Dane Swan Calder Cannons Collingwood
4 59 Jacob Schuback Gippsland Power Adelaide
4 60 Adam Schneider NSW/ACT Rams Sydney
4 61 Mick Martyn Kangaroos Kangaroos
4 62 Damon White Perth Port Adelaide
4 63 Adam Houlihan Geelong Richmond
4 64 Daniel McAlister Essendon Essendon
5 65 Pass - Brisbane Lions
5 66 Pass - Fremantle
5 67 Pass - St Kilda
6 68 Chris Hyde Richmond Richmond
6 69 Matthew McCarthy Old Xavierians Geelong
6 70 Pass - Melbourne :thumbsd:
6 71 Brian Harris Woodville-West Torrens Western Bulldogs
6 72 Tristen Walker Claremont Collingwood
6 73 Pass - Adelaide
6 74 Ricky Mott South Fremantle Sydney
6 75 Sam Cranage Carlton Carlton
6 76 Jared Poulton Port Adelaide Port Adelaide
6 77 Martin McGrath South Fremantle Richmond
6 78 Pass - Essendon
7 79 Pass - St Kilda
7 80 Hugh Foott Bendigo Pioneers Kangaroos
7 81 David Johnson Essendon Rookies Geelong
7 82 Pass - Melbourne
8 83 Aaron James Richmond Western Bulldogs

Jeff Farmer Melbourne Fremantle Draft Pick #17 :thumbsd:

Craig Ellis Western Bulldogs Melbourne Troy Simmonds
Troy Simmonds Melbourne Fremantle Daniel Bandy :thumbsd:

Brent Grgic Melbourne Geelong Draft Pick #55 :thumbsu:

Clint Bizzell Geelong Melbourne Draft Picks #17 & #41