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Just announced a moment ago on 5AA that the Crows have issued a press release thatThompson has been charged with dangerous driving after being involved in an accident on Saturday night - there is no aspect of alcohol or drugs involved.
You'd think that would dash his chances of captaincy in the near future.
hey shorty
6 Nov 2007, 17:10
Well with our club the way it is discipline wise, it has to be a 3 week suspension ;)
Ch 10 news said he was going around a round-a-bout and hit a stobie pole, doesn't sound that bad..
IddyBiddy
6 Nov 2007, 17:15
hate how those stobie poles sit in the middle of the road at roun-a-bouts.
I would like to hear more but as it stands I dont think its done his captaincy chances any harm....that is until further news arises.
Though why Dangerous Driving if it was merely an accident? Im sure a bad driver, unlike myself :p , can explain
hey shorty
6 Nov 2007, 17:34
I would like to hear more but as it stands I dont think its done his captaincy chances any harm....that is until further news arises.
Though why Dangerous Driving if it was merely an accident? Im sure a bad driver, unlike myself :p , can explain
I know severeal people who are Dangerous while Driving, perhaps Scotty is one of those aswell:p
I didn't hear all of the report on ch 7, but they said he crashed into a tree :confused: Two conflicting reports there....
hey shorty
6 Nov 2007, 17:41
As long as he wasnt speeding, drinking or on drugs I see no problem. People have accidents and then theres those people who deem it newsworthy. Now if theres something else in it then fair enough, but until such time I dont think anythinbg should be read into it
Seems to be different reports all over the place.:p
I heard on the radio he was just doing some donuts and lost control. I suppose the main thing is no one was injured.
I got the impression from channel 9 news that he was doing a burnout, lost control and then hit a tree. They also mentioned that booze wasnt involved.
I thought it was pretty funny, but a dumb move if you want to be a captain.
IddyBiddy
6 Nov 2007, 18:21
Thommo is not captain material and this incident sums up why, the guy is always in trouble, how more doesn't get out in the media is one of the world's greatest mysteries.
Rex - Crow
6 Nov 2007, 19:01
Just announced a moment ago on 5AA that the Crows have issued a press release thatThompson has been charged with dangerous driving after being involved in an accident on Saturday night - there is no aspect of alcohol or drugs involved.
You'd think that would dash his chances of captaincy in the near future.I think he'll be safe as long as he doesn't re offend. Goodie has a worse track reccord.
Stiffy_18
6 Nov 2007, 19:11
I think he'll be safe as long as he doesn't re offend. Goodie has a worse track reccord.
And Goody also has a LOT more points in the bank than Thompson.
Rex - Crow
6 Nov 2007, 19:13
And Goody also has a LOT more points in the bank than Thompson.Agreed! Though Rutten is to be the next after Goodie or Macca I think. What do you think ??
And Goody also has a LOT more points in the bank than Thompson.
Roo has even slipped up more than Thommo.
As long as he wasnt speeding, drinking or on drugs I see no problem. People have accidents and then theres those people who deem it newsworthy. Now if theres something else in it then fair enough, but until such time I dont think anythinbg should be read into it
People have accidents and hit things all the time without being charged with dangerous driving - maybe negligent driving, but not dangerous.
Dangerous driving implies that he was putting the safety of others at risk - so you'd think it did involve something like high speed or burn-outs or something of that nature.
Very stupid from a guy that has publicly stated that he wishes to captain the Crows.
Whatever the case may be, I think you can rule a line through his captaincy chances for 2008.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22714592-5005961,00.html
Rex - Crow
6 Nov 2007, 19:48
Roo has even slipped up more than Thommo.I think the footie world was greatful when Roo put Carr in his place.
I would like to hear more but as it stands I dont think its done his captaincy chances any harm....that is until further news arises.
Though why Dangerous Driving if it was merely an accident? Im sure a bad driver, unlike myself :p , can explain
probably just too much speed on a bend
Apparently went to go around the corner......booted it.......but ended up over the line.
;)
Vic Crow
6 Nov 2007, 19:57
probably just too much speed on a bend
Apparently went to go around the corner......booted it.......but ended up over the line.
;)
At least this time it doesn't seem to have been over the line on the full... :p
:(
Kane McGoodwin
6 Nov 2007, 20:21
Just announced a moment ago on 5AA that the Crows have issued a press release thatThompson has been charged with dangerous driving after being involved in an accident on Saturday night - there is no aspect of alcohol or drugs involved.
You'd think that would dash his chances of captaincy in the near future.
Silly boy ... but didn't Roo lose his license when he had his Monaro?
Silly boy ... but didn't Roo lose his license when he had his Monaro?
Did he hit a Carr?
that $50,000 monaro of his wouldn't look too crash hot right now...
jarmanagic
6 Nov 2007, 21:33
what a load of rubbish he cant be captain because of this. We need our captain to be a high quality player and leader of men, how on earth does this driving thing impact on that. These are footballers in the off season, they are not "running for Jesus"
I think Adelaide fans are too quick to get on Thommo's back. 18 Brownlow votes in 07. There is every chance he will be our best player by the end of 08. Yes a few more clangers than ideal including last stat of 07, but a high quality player who had a reallly good 07
Southerntakeover
6 Nov 2007, 22:27
I wish to start a rumour.
Scotty Thompson was attempting to run over Rucci.
probably just too much speed on a bend
;)
OMG......any WC Eagles in the car? :eek:
"We're the Eagles, we're flying high"
Markthirtytwo
7 Nov 2007, 07:21
what a load of rubbish he cant be captain because of this. We need our captain to be a high quality player and leader of men, how on earth does this driving thing impact on that. These are footballers in the off season, they are not "running for Jesus"
I think Adelaide fans are too quick to get on Thommo's back. 18 Brownlow votes in 07. There is every chance he will be our best player by the end of 08. Yes a few more clangers than ideal including last stat of 07, but a high quality player who had a reallly good 07
Hoon Register thread.
But seriously, potential captains don't make those decisions. He obviously lost control of his vehicle and hit something. Apparently in front of other people, he could have easily lost control and hit one or more of those. Silly thing to do, but wont have any impact on his captancy in the future as long as he doesn't do things like this again.
Wonder who will be driving him to training and games next year? :p
I don't think this will harm his captaincy chances at all........given that IMO he was no chance anyway....
At least this time it doesn't seem to have been over the line on the full... :p
OUCH! now thats below the belt!
Hoon Register thread.
But seriously, potential captains don't make those decisions. He obviously lost control of his vehicle and hit something. Apparently in front of other people, he could have easily lost control and hit one or more of those. Silly thing to do, but wont have any impact on his captancy in the future as long as he doesn't do things like this again.
Wonder who will be driving him to training and games next year? :p
He didn't have to hit anybody to hurt them Mark.
He was doing donuts in front of others and lost control, hitting a tree.
A passenger in the car ended up in hospital with a fractured skull and eye socket.
He's a great player but that's barely the actions of leadership material.
Ch 10 news said he was going around a round-a-bout and hit a stobie pole, doesn't sound that bad..
He should have kicked his car... he'd have missed the stobie pole then :)
BlackDouglas
7 Nov 2007, 08:34
Silly boy – if he was allegedly doing burn outs like other have said and driving recklessly he is a very silly boy and this kind of behaviour could be excused if he was 18 or 19 but he is not 24. I think it time he stop acting like a teenage buffoon and grow up.
I guess you can take the boy out of Port Adelaide but you can never take Port Adelaide out of the boy.
Not a big deal, he's a footballer player. But its a shame nonetheless.
Note the signature.
Campbell's Chunky
7 Nov 2007, 12:05
Not a big deal, he's a footballer player. But its a shame nonetheless.
Note the signature.
John Meesen officially gone?
Kane McGoodwin
7 Nov 2007, 12:16
He didn't have to hit anybody to hurt them Mark.
He was doing donuts in front of others and lost control, hitting a tree.
A passenger in the car ended up in hospital with a fractured skull and eye socket.
He's a great player but that's barely the actions of leadership material.
Yeah I agree after reading these extra details this AM.
Really stupid stuff & allegedly worse than what was originally reported.
Not really the irresponsible actions you want from a potential leader.
John Meesen officially gone?
hahaha good call
He didn't have to hit anybody to hurt them Mark.
He was doing donuts in front of others and lost control, hitting a tree.
A passenger in the car ended up in hospital with a fractured skull and eye socket.
He's a great player but that's barely the actions of leadership material.
A stupid and embarrassing incidnet. Yet another role model behaving like a complete wanker. He could have killed himsefl, his passenger or onlookers.
Will MikeRann impound his car?
i doubt it will hurt his chances. it was just an accident nothing influencing his driving. thank god it isnt a wce player he wouldve been allegated with taking a tonne of cocaine before he went driving.
Drummond
7 Nov 2007, 14:08
What a two faced football club this is. Scott Thompson has been charged with dangerous driving and all Jon Reid can say is that Scott is remorseful for his actions. Good to see there are different penalties for different players.
Goodwin threatens reporters, Thompson causes an accident due to negligent driving, Pfeiffer likes a drink. Do the crime; do the time, obviously not applicable at the AFC.
ICanDressMyself
7 Nov 2007, 14:29
What a two faced football club this is. Scott Thompson has been charged with dangerous driving and all Jon Reid can say is that Scott is remorseful for his actions. Good to see there are different penalties for different players.
Goodwin threatens reporters, Thompson causes an accident due to negligent driving, Pfeiffer likes a drink. Do the crime; do the time, obviously not applicable at the AFC.
Difference is, Goodwin and Thommo have both made a name for themselves at AFL level, have trained hard all their lives and have only slipped up a couple of times. They're human, everyone makes mistakes.
Pfieffer on the other hand has a severe attitude problem and doesn't seem to take his footy as seriously as the other blokes, not to mention he's getting pissed & getting into brawls. All this from a 19 year old upstart who hasn't even made his debut yet.
Don't let the door his your arse on the way out, Pfeiff.
Markthirtytwo
7 Nov 2007, 15:01
He didn't have to hit anybody to hurt them Mark.
He was doing donuts in front of others and lost control, hitting a tree.
A passenger in the car ended up in hospital with a fractured skull and eye socket.
He's a great player but that's barely the actions of leadership material.
Well that's different. You crash you car being stupid and really hurt someone like that his name has probably had a line drawn through it in the leadership column.
jarmanagic
7 Nov 2007, 15:29
What a two faced football club this is. Scott Thompson has been charged with dangerous driving and all Jon Reid can say is that Scott is remorseful for his actions. Good to see there are different penalties for different players.
Goodwin threatens reporters, Thompson causes an accident due to negligent driving, Pfeiffer likes a drink. Do the crime; do the time, obviously not applicable at the AFC.
Firstly Goodwin threatens reporters was an Advertiser beat up
Goodwin and Thommo are both are high quality players established at AFL
Pfeffier was not. Don't forget sent back to SANFL in his first year for bad attitude also. I've seen him play for Norwood but he hardly killed them. Nice skills but how many Magarey Medal votes did he get? Where did he come in Norwood's B&F. I think look there and you'll see little SANFl impact in 2 years
The big Q is why do we use top 20 picks on players with attitude problem (Meesen, Pffeffier and Angwin) are we searching hard enough before we draft???
Drummond
7 Nov 2007, 15:41
Difference is, Goodwin and Thommo have both made a name for themselves at AFL level, have trained hard all their lives and have only slipped up a couple of times. They're human, everyone makes mistakes.
Pfieffer on the other hand has a severe attitude problem and doesn't seem to take his footy as seriously as the other blokes, not to mention he's getting pissed & getting into brawls. All this from a 19 year old upstart who hasn't even made his debut yet.
Don't let the door his your arse on the way out, Pfeiff.
This is why I'm finding it harder to post on this site, because of ignorant comments like these.
Severe attitude problem? Here we go again. I know you hate him; you've made stupid baseless comments about him many times now.
Firstly Goodwin threatens reporters was an Advertiser beat up
Goodwin and Thommo are both are high quality players established at AFL
Pfeffier was not. Don't forget sent back to SANFL in his first year for bad attitude also. I've seen him play for Norwood but he hardly killed them. Nice skills but how many Magarey Medal votes did he get? Where did he come in Norwood's B&F. I think look there and you'll see little SANFl impact in 2 years
The big Q is why do we use top 20 picks on players with attitude problem (Meesen, Pffeffier and Angwin) are we searching hard enough before we draft???
More pure ignorance.
He finished 5th in the forum player of the year but I’m not sure where he finished in the Legs B&F. Keep in mind he only played 13 games. You see guys who don’t regularly watch the SANFL, and I’m including you in that, don’t really have the right to comment on his impact in the SANFL because let’s face it, how many times did you see him play? What are you basing it on, inaccurate stats from the Sunday Mail? He played in a terrible team where he had to switch positions basically every week and when he finally did get settled in one position he played brilliant football.
Rex - Crow
7 Nov 2007, 15:49
Macca was the all Australian captain and should be the Crows next captain. The guy is a pure genius and has never done anything out of place.
hey shorty
7 Nov 2007, 15:51
Cmon Drummond mate you cant honestly believe what you just posted there can you ?? The guy hadnt established himself in the team and yet he thinks as though he had made it already. I know that much for a fact. His attitude was pathetic but it has improved since his delisting. Why ?? Because he is a nobody again and he wants forgiveness from all the people who put in a lot of time and effort into him.
Now Simon Goodwin, does have a gambling problem which he has admitted to. But lets look at him shall we...... All-Australian, Club B&F, Premiership player. Scott Thompson - One of the clubs best this season, a consistant AFL player who hasnt got the best discipline record but can perform on the field.
None of these guys are angels and no one has said anything of the sort. But when youre a relative nobody in the system you cant go around breaking team rules and getting into trouble, or youll stay a nobody for good. You say Drummond that you find it hard to post here now, well bye then.
ICanDressMyself
7 Nov 2007, 16:01
This is why I'm finding it harder to post on this site, because of ignorant comments like these.
Severe attitude problem? Here we go again. I know you hate him; you've made stupid baseless comments about him many times now.
No I think you're the ignorant one Drummond. You've admitted that you never attend training sessions, yet you always say how he works his butt of at training = stupid baseless comment.
And don't you think that there's more to it than just not working as hard on the track? Maybe something behind the scenes that you don't see? You always say how everyone was against Pfeiffer and no one liked him, but it's his own fault. As for me, I don't have that much against Pfeiffer but you're not doing him any favours with your stupid biased crap.
Bottom line is, he was delisted by the Crows. They see how he trains, how he interacts with team mates, how he takes everything mentally, they know Pfeiffer back to front and I'd certainly be take their side over a proven biased 19 year old Norwood fan.
Drummond
7 Nov 2007, 16:08
No I think you're the ignorant one Drummond. You've admitted that you never attend training sessions, yet you always say how he works his butt of at training = stupid baseless comment.
And don't you think that there's more to it than just not working as hard on the track? Maybe something behind the scenes that you don't see? You always say how everyone was against Pfeiffer and no one liked him, but it's his own fault. There's obviously a few mental problems with Pfeiffer because of his delisting Drummond, but you can't accept that can you?
Bottom line is, he was delisted by the Crows. They see how he trains, how he interacts with team mates, how he takes everything mentally, they know Pfeiffer back to front and I'd certainly be take their side over a proven biased 19 year old Norwood fan.
The search button is your friend, go and point our where I’ve said Pfeiffer works his butt off at training. Perhaps you're thinking about Campbell? Because everyone knows he’s as dedicated as they come and yet some expert training attendees disputed this.
What is your obsession with players training? Yes it’s important, but really, Luke Jericho could be the best freaking trainer in the world but what does it matter when it comes to game day? Does he show commitment, tackle as hard as he can, apply defensive pressure? Love the argument that training is basically the be all and end all when duds like Jericho excel on the track only to look like hacks of the highest order when it really matters.
ICanDressMyself
7 Nov 2007, 16:15
The search button is your friend, go and point our where I’ve said Pfeiffer works his butt off at training. Perhaps you're thinking about Campbell? Because everyone knows he’s as dedicated as they come and yet some expert training attendees disputed this.
What is your obsession with players training? Yes it’s important, but really, Luke Jericho could be the best freaking trainer in the world but what does it matter when it comes to game day? Does he show commitment, tackle as hard as he can, apply defensive pressure? Love the argument that training is basically the be all and end all when duds like Jericho excel on the track only to look like hacks of the highest order when it really matters.
Why do you always come back to Jericho? At least Jericho has debuted, so he must be doing something right, maybe he can give a few tips to Pfeiffer :thumbsu:
I love how you think I think training is the be all and end all - which is false by the way. I just find that a tad hypocritical when all you talk about is how Pfieffer performs for Norwood and his stats in the SANFL. Just because he plays good games for Norwood doesn't mean he's guaranteed a spot in Crows line up. Personally I don't even think he plays as good as you always say he does, I've never seen him tear up a game like Douglas or Vince has.
Reasonable games for the shittest club in the SANFL isn't the be all and end all Drummond.
And no I'm sure the Crows didn't delist him just because he was slack on the track but as I said, A LOT goes on that you don't see or know about so you are in no position to critisize Adelaide's decision to dump him.
Southerntakeover
7 Nov 2007, 16:24
This is why I'm finding it harder to post on this site, because of ignorant comments like these.
Severe attitude problem? Here we go again. I know you hate him; you've made stupid baseless comments about him many times now.
I know you find it hard to post your ignorant comments, but yet you find a way to overcome that difficulty time and time again.
How on earth are you going to try to compare two established, top class AFL players like Goodwin and Thompson, who have had basically perfect records up until these incidents to a player who has never even played a game of AFL football, and who had such a bad attitude that he was sent back to his SANFL club in his first year, and sacked at the end of his second.
Drummond
7 Nov 2007, 16:25
Why do you always come back to Jericho? At least Jericho has debuted, so he must be doing something right, maybe he can give a few tips to Pfeiffer :thumbsu:
I love how you think I think training is the be all and end all - which is false by the way. I just find that a tad hypocritical when all you talk about is how Pfieffer performs for Norwood and his stats in the SANFL. Just because he plays good games for Norwood doesn't mean he's guaranteed a spot in Crows line up. Personally I don't even think he plays as good as you always say he does, I've never seen him tear up a game like Douglas or Vince has.
Reasonable games for the shittest club in the SANFL isn't the be all and end all Drummond.
And no I'm sure the Crows didn't delist him just because he was slack on the track but as I said, A LOT goes on that you don't see or know about so you are in no position to critisize Adelaide's decision to dump him.
I always come back to Jericho because I can’t fathom how an enormous dud like him remains on our list. I’d love to know when we should expect some good football from Luke, I thought 2007 was his make or break year and yet despite only playing a single good game he’s retained. Got to love how Neil Craig and his men are accepting mediocrity now. We’ll see who has the more distinguished career of these two; it surely won’t be butter boy. He looks soft playing for Norwood, even the Weed saw what a joke of a footballer he is and as a result he came crying to the Parade. If we weren’t so short on players he would’ve been playing out his days with West Adelaide reserves, either that or Craig will throw him another lifeline which he doesn’t deserve.
What exactly has Bernard Vince done? Put in good performances in an extremely strong Eagles team, well what an achievement that is! How’s he done at the top level, averages of 8.7 possessions and a total of 2 goals for a forward. Gee, the future is bright down at West Lakes. How about Richard, the coaches undisputed favourite, apart from a 7 goal game and a few good showings in the midfield for Glenelg what’s he shown? Anyone with sense would realise he’s struggled mightily at the top level.
Southerntakeover
7 Nov 2007, 16:32
What exactly has Bernard Vince done? Put in good performances in an extremely strong Eagles team, well what an achievement that is! How’s he done at the top level, averages of 8.7 possessions and a total of 2 goals for a forward. Gee, the future is bright down at West Lakes. How about Richard, the coaches undisputed favourite, apart from a 7 goal game and a few good showings in the midfield for Glenelg what’s he shown? Anyone with sense would realise he’s struggled mightily at the top level.
You really have no idea, do you?
Both of them have far better SANFL showings than Pfeiffer. Both have shown they can dominate a game at that level. Judging them on their AFL form is at best ignorant, and at worst moronic. They're both midfielders who have been played out of position, and with restricted game time. You obviously dont watch much of the Crows if you dont realize that is how we blood youngsters. van Berlo averaged 7 possessions for his first 11 games, are you suggesting that is a negative reflection on his potential or ability?
Meanwhile, neither has had to be sent to their SANFL club for a bad attitude.
ICanDressMyself
7 Nov 2007, 16:33
Got to love how Neil Craig and his men are accepting mediocrity now
No one is forcing you to keep supporting the AFC Drummond.
How’s he done at the top level? averages of 8.7 possessions and a total of 2 goals for a forward.
Much better than Pfieffer sitting on 0 games, 0 posessions and 0 goals.
Gee, the future is bright down at West Lakes.
Well Daz might be heading to richmond so bugger off and go support them if all you're gonna do is whinge and bag our tremendous footy club.
hey shorty
7 Nov 2007, 16:37
What exactly has Bernard Vince done? Put in good performances in an extremely strong Eagles team, well what an achievement that is! How’s he done at the top level, averages of 8.7 possessions and a total of 2 goals for a forward. Gee, the future is bright down at West Lakes. How about Richard, the coaches undisputed favourite, apart from a 7 goal game and a few good showings in the midfield for Glenelg what’s he shown? Anyone with sense would realise he’s struggled mightily at the top level.
Its a great deal harder to stand out in a great team than it is to be good in a crap one Drummond. I bet both of these guys are greatly welcomed at their respective SANFL clubs when I can guarentee you Darren is not.
Drummond
7 Nov 2007, 16:41
You really have no idea, do you?
Both of them have far better SANFL showings than Pfeiffer. Both have shown they can dominate a game at that level. Judging them on their AFL form is at best ignorant, and at worst moronic. They're both midfielders who have been played out of position, and with restricted game time. You obviously dont watch much of the Crows if you dont realize that is how we blood youngsters. van Berlo averaged 7 possessions for his first 11 games, are you suggesting that is a negative reflection on his potential or ability?
Meanwhile, neither has had to be sent to their SANFL club for a bad attitude.
Hang on a sec, didn't VB virtually double his possession average in his second year and become a permanent member of the side? Did Douglas and Vince do the same? No they did not. I love the constant argument about how they can dominate a game at that level. I seriously fail to understand your logic in what constitutes dominating a game. Go purchase a copy of the Glenelg v Norwood game, Pfeiffer dominated in a losing team. Go look at his performance the following week v South, the week after v the Eagles. See you didn’t see these matches; all you do is look at the stats. Playing from the half back flank Pfeiffer dominated, was awarded Norwood’s best and given Magarey votes. If that’s not dominating a game then I don’t know what it. You seemingly have differing standards, what’s good for one is not good for the other.
Its a great deal harder to stand out in a great team than it is to be good in a crap one Drummond. I bet both of these guys are greatly welcomed at their respective SANFL clubs when I can guarentee you Darren is not.
On both counts…
You cannot be serious!?
You really think it’s harder to stand out in a great team that a bad one? So when Pfeiffer had to play three positions in one afternoon because we needed him to plug holes, he should stand out more than if he could just settle into the back flank for a good team?
ICanDressMyself
7 Nov 2007, 16:46
Did Douglas and Vince do the same? No they did not.
They've still actually debuted Drummond!! Doulgas > Jericho > Vince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pfeiffer. Live with it.
all you do is look at the stats
And all you do is attend SANFL games and talk about how good he is. Again, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes so you have no right to be pissed off at the AFC just because your love child was delisted.
hey shorty
7 Nov 2007, 16:52
On both counts…
You cannot be serious!?
You really think it’s harder to stand out in a great team that a bad one? So when Pfeiffer had to play three positions in one afternoon because we needed him to plug holes, he should stand out more than if he could just settle into the back flank for a good team?
Of course its harder. When your side is full of useless individuals like Norwoods is, you only have to be half reasonable to make the best. When youre playing for the Eagles as an example you are surrounded by good players, yet youre still at the top of them...... you decide how hard it is.
And I can assure you Darren is not well liked amongst several redleg players.
Southerntakeover
7 Nov 2007, 16:58
Hang on a sec, didn't VB virtually double his possession average in his second year and become a permanent member of the side? Did Douglas and Vince do the same? No they did not. I love the constant argument about how they can dominate a game at that level. I seriously fail to understand your logic in what constitutes dominating a game. Go purchase a copy of the Glenelg v Norwood game, Pfeiffer dominated in a losing team. Go look at his performance the following week v South, the week after v the Eagles. See you didn’t see these matches; all you do is look at the stats. Playing from the half back flank Pfeiffer dominated, was awarded Norwood’s best and given Magarey votes. If that’s not dominating a game then I don’t know what it. You seemingly have differing standards, what’s good for one is not good for the other.
Yes, but you have to take into account the fact that van Berlo played an amount of games in his first season comparable to the second season of most of our other players (including Knights), he was an exceptional case. AFL experience is crucial, if you want to compare the players, Douglas and Vince are currently at the stage of their development that van Berlo was at the end of 05. The point is, its foolish to look at the first 10 or so games of a players career, and suggest they are failing because the stats arent impressive. If you get to the end of this season, and neither has improved, then itd be cause for worry, but really, trying to draw mass conclusions at this stage of their career based on their AFL stats is foolish.
Purchase a copy of Glenelg vs Norwood so i can analyse the performance of someone not even on our list anymore? Good one. What do i mean by dominate? Im talking about potential match winning performances. Douglas's 7 goals was a domination. He was the reason why his team won that day. Your talk about Pfeiffer being awarded Norwoods best... big deal. The best of a pathetic bunch. I wanted him to be best on field. How many times was be best on field when looking at both teams? How many votes did he get in the Mag Medal full stop? It wasnt all that many for someone who played close to a full season in the SANFL.
Freddy Bassett
7 Nov 2007, 17:06
Cant believe Douglas is copping shit, F@#@ me:thumbsd:
Drummond
7 Nov 2007, 17:11
Of course its harder. When your side is full of useless individuals like Norwoods is, you only have to be half reasonable to make the best. When youre playing for the Eagles as an example you are surrounded by good players, yet youre still at the top of them...... you decide how hard it is.
And I can assure you Darren is not well liked amongst several redleg players.
How the heck is it harder? Why do you think every single Central Districts recruit looks like a million dollars? It’s because they are surrounded by so many good players and they bring an individuals level up and allows them to be noticed. Take Charles Slattery for example, crossed over from West Adelaide to the Dogs this season and went from a fringe player at the Bloods to a quality, consistent SANFL performer. How do you explain that? He was surrounded by quality players, wasn’t being tagged, could blend in and it gave him the perfect opportunity to look good.
A Norwood official told me that they would’ve liked Pfeiffer to play at half back, but with so many holes needing to be plugged they simply had to have him change position almost every quarter. You think that’s good for him? Playing on a pathetic team like the Norwood one of recent years may allow you to stand out every now and then, but it’s a lot harder than playing on a good team.
Drummond
7 Nov 2007, 17:24
Yes, but you have to take into account the fact that van Berlo played an amount of games in his first season comparable to the second season of most of our other players (including Knights), he was an exceptional case. AFL experience is crucial, if you want to compare the players, Douglas and Vince are currently at the stage of their development that van Berlo was at the end of 05. The point is, its foolish to look at the first 10 or so games of a players career, and suggest they are failing because the stats arent impressive. If you get to the end of this season, and neither has improved, then itd be cause for worry, but really, trying to draw mass conclusions at this stage of their career based on their AFL stats is foolish.
Purchase a copy of Glenelg vs Norwood so i can analyse the performance of someone not even on our list anymore? Good one. What do i mean by dominate? Im talking about potential match winning performances. Douglas's 7 goals was a domination. He was the reason why his team won that day. Your talk about Pfeiffer being awarded Norwoods best... big deal. The best of a pathetic bunch. I wanted him to be best on field. How many times was be best on field when looking at both teams? How many votes did he get in the Mag Medal full stop? It wasnt all that many for someone who played close to a full season in the SANFL.
Completely ignore the stats of Douglas and Vince if you wish. But watching Douglas constantly slip over, handball to teammates and putting them under pressure, failing to make tackles slip, all of these things haven’t instilled me with confidence. Douglas’ 7 goals was domination, no disputing that, but let’s not forget the night he was thrashed by Matthew Brunoli who restricted him to a mere 9 possessions. I wonder what this could be put down to?
Here we go again with your “domination” theory, it’s really comical. How many times have we gone round and round in circles because you're inept in arguments? I mean listen to your reasoning, “the best of a pathetic bunch”. I really don’t know what anyone could say to this because it’s the stuff of a handicapped 5 year old. He was named Norwood’s best, given votes by the umpires in a losing display, what more should he do? Oh that’s right, DOMINATE! I would’ve thought that was, but not in your mind.
Let’s not forget this stretch of football was after he suffered glandular fever, and to think he was at his best physically is naive. Late in the game against the Eagles he looked spent, probably because it wasn’t long after his layoff and he was the only Redleg who seemingly turned up. He ran himself into the ground, but the Crows thought him partaking in a few drinks made him a lost cause.
hey shorty
7 Nov 2007, 17:30
Yes they do look better ill grant you that but its still the same players at the top. Slattery was in the best for Westies when he was there but he crossed over to gain an opportunity to play finals footy. Lets say Darren did that (although we wouldnt be having this discussion due to the fact he would no longer play for Norwood) He would probably improve as a player but he wouldnt break into their top 5, not even top 10. To say hes in the top 5 at Norwood, fair enough, but how much does that say about him ?? Not a great deal. He has yet to take a game apart at SANFL level despite what you think, Douglas and Vince has continued to do so over a period of time.
BTW I thought you said you are finding it harder to post here..... why havent you gone away and pledged alligence to another club if you dont like the way we run ours ??
BlackDouglas
7 Nov 2007, 17:34
What a two faced football club this is. Scott Thompson has been charged with dangerous driving and all Jon Reid can say is that Scott is remorseful for his actions. Good to see there are different penalties for different players.
Goodwin threatens reporters, Thompson causes an accident due to negligent driving, Pfeiffer likes a drink. Do the crime; do the time, obviously not applicable at the AFC.
Ok whoever is holding the gun to Drummond head and making him support the AFC please take it away.
STFU and stop support this football club if it that ****ing bad.
Stiffy_18
7 Nov 2007, 18:01
What a two faced football club this is. Scott Thompson has been charged with dangerous driving and all Jon Reid can say is that Scott is remorseful for his actions. Good to see there are different penalties for different players.
Goodwin threatens reporters, Thompson causes an accident due to negligent driving, Pfeiffer likes a drink. Do the crime; do the time, obviously not applicable at the AFC.
****! You are a whinging ****! :rolleyes:
2 points. Why are we wasting energy talking about a player no longer on our list?
And why arent we talking about Thompson?
jarmanagic
7 Nov 2007, 20:18
This is why I'm finding it harder to post on this site, because of ignorant comments like these.
Severe attitude problem? Here we go again. I know you hate him; you've made stupid baseless comments about him many times now.
More pure ignorance.
He finished 5th in the forum player of the year but I’m not sure where he finished in the Legs B&F. Keep in mind he only played 13 games. You see guys who don’t regularly watch the SANFL, and I’m including you in that, don’t really have the right to comment on his impact in the SANFL because let’s face it, how many times did you see him play? What are you basing it on, inaccurate stats from the Sunday Mail? He played in a terrible team where he had to switch positions basically every week and when he finally did get settled in one position he played brilliant football.
settle down. Personal attack when someone disagrees with you cant be the right approach. I saw about 12 Norwood games this year and I reckon Pfeffier play about 9 times. You? Like Meesen I was desperate to see a high draft pick do well. Meesen's attitude was half hearted (compare to effort of Massie for Norwood, why 1 bloke with minimal talent will play over 100 AFL games and a super talent wont play 50)
5th on the Norwood forum POY?????? Come on, you probably voted 20 times each week
If Richmond pick him up we will see. I'd conceded he might mature but I'd argue strongly that his Norwood performance were not outstanding. Lower going much better but cant get a game for Port
Southerntakeover
7 Nov 2007, 22:35
Completely ignore the stats of Douglas and Vince if you wish. But watching Douglas constantly slip over, handball to teammates and putting them under pressure, failing to make tackles slip, all of these things haven’t instilled me with confidence. Douglas’ 7 goals was domination, no disputing that, but let’s not forget the night he was thrashed by Matthew Brunoli who restricted him to a mere 9 possessions. I wonder what this could be put down to?
Here we go again with your “domination” theory, it’s really comical. How many times have we gone round and round in circles because you're inept in arguments? I mean listen to your reasoning, “the best of a pathetic bunch”. I really don’t know what anyone could say to this because it’s the stuff of a handicapped 5 year old. He was named Norwood’s best, given votes by the umpires in a losing display, what more should he do? Oh that’s right, DOMINATE! I would’ve thought that was, but not in your mind.
Let’s not forget this stretch of football was after he suffered glandular fever, and to think he was at his best physically is naive. Late in the game against the Eagles he looked spent, probably because it wasn’t long after his layoff and he was the only Redleg who seemingly turned up. He ran himself into the ground, but the Crows thought him partaking in a few drinks made him a lost cause.
Hold on, im inept? Ive argued you to checkmate and back 100 times over. All you do when you lose is start crying about how you're a victim you tosspot. You are less than useless.
Who gives a crap if you dont have confidence in him? You dont actually watch live anything to do with the Crows. You are the least credible bugger on this site. First of all, you've failed to grasp this simple point. Players improve with AFL experience. If Douglas' AFL performances arent great at the moment, thats fine. He's played very few AFL games. Whats more important right now is that he has a good attitude. He works hard. He has all of the natural talent to make it, and hes not wasting it, unlike the other useless pricks that you back to the hilt. If the worst game that you could find was 9 possessions, im laughing. Everyone has a few stinkers. The fact is, his form in the SANFL was very good. When he was there, Glenelg won, when he wasnt they struggled, this is no coinicidence. Douglas is better than Pfeiffer by so much its not ****ing funny.
As for you talking about comical, you know whats really funny? Your inability to understand basic ****ing logic. Pfeiffer being the best in a losing team < Pfieffer being the best on ground. The best player on the ground is impressive. The best player in the losing team? That doesnt mean jackshit. Hell, you're the best poster in a losing arguement frequently, does it mean you know your ass from your ear? Nope. You've proven that often enough.
Answer me though, how many mag medal votes did the hack get? How does that compare to players like Douglas you bag?
Hold on, im inept? Ive argued you to checkmate and back 100 times over. All you do when you lose is start crying about how you're a victim you tosspot. You are less than useless.
The best player in the losing team? That doesnt mean jackshit. Hell, you're the best poster in a losing arguement frequently, does it mean you know your ass from your ear? Nope. You've proven that often enough.
Oh, AWESOME. That is complete pwnage. Drummond makes me laugh - well, for someone who has become a Port supporter, anyway - but they are some home run insults ...
Drummond
8 Nov 2007, 00:11
Hold on, im inept? Ive argued you to checkmate and back 100 times over. All you do when you lose is start crying about how you're a victim you tosspot. You are less than useless.
Serious? Well you must certainly be awfully proud of your training argument.
Who gives a crap if you dont have confidence in him? You dont actually watch live anything to do with the Crows.
Yeh I guess going over to Melbourne to see the Crows play the Hawks in the Final was just one realistic dream!
First of all, you've failed to grasp this simple point. Players improve with AFL experience. If Douglas' AFL performances arent great at the moment, thats fine. He's played very few AFL games. Whats more important right now is that he has a good attitude. He works hard. He has all of the natural talent to make it, and hes not wasting it, unlike the other useless pricks that you back to the hilt. If the worst game that you could find was 9 possessions, im laughing. Everyone has a few stinkers. The fact is, his form in the SANFL was very good. When he was there, Glenelg won, when he wasnt they struggled, this is no coinicidence. Douglas is better than Pfeiffer by so much its not ****ing funny.
We’ll see about that. Pfeiffer ticks more boxes than Ricky Craig ever will.
As for you talking about comical, you know whats really funny? Your inability to understand basic ****ing logic. Pfeiffer being the best in a losing team < Pfieffer being the best on ground. The best player on the ground is impressive. The best player in the losing team? That doesnt mean jackshit. Hell, you're the best poster in a losing arguement frequently, does it mean you know your ass from your ear? Nope. You've proven that often enough.
Answer me though, how many mag medal votes did the hack get? How does that compare to players like Douglas you bag?
Ah good old ST, the main who changes all the rules just to suit his argument. So being named the best player in a losing team means nothing? Well why then do players from losing teams get Brownlow medal votes? Why do we bother with POTY votes when we lose? What an unbeliavebly ridiculous, mind numbingly stupid argument by a poster I wouldn’t expect anything less from.
Answer me though, how many mag medal votes did the hack get? How does that compare to players like Douglas you bag?
Douglas 5, Pfeiffer 2.
Southerntakeover
8 Nov 2007, 00:23
Serious? Well you must certainly be awfully proud of your training argument.
Everyone with atleast half a brain understands that training performance is relevant to how a professional footballer is judged. It only follows logically that you cannot.
Yeh I guess going over to Melbourne to see the Crows play the Hawks in the Final was just one realistic dream!
Yeah, im an asshole for putting up my money to support my team, whether they won or not. Do me a favour, admit you arent really a crows. No real fan would try to taunt another based upon their teams finals loss, you weak fool.
We’ll see about that. Pfeiffer ticks more boxes than Ricky Craig ever will.
One is AFL listed, one isnt.
Ah good old ST, the main who changes all the rules just to suit his argument. So being named the best player in a losing team means nothing? Well why then do players from losing teams get Brownlow medal votes? Why do we bother with POTY votes when we lose? What an unbeliavebly ridiculous, mind numbingly stupid argument by a poster I wouldn’t expect anything less from.
Douglas 5, Pfeiffer 2.
Good god almighty you are thick. You make less sense than a prostitute arguing for abstinence.
Being the best player for a losing team is not impressive in itself.
Players get brownlow votes on a losing team when they are considered to be in the best players 3 on the ground, not when they are considered to be the best of the losing team.
Best and fairest, and POTY awards are not measures of who the best on field are. They are measures of who the best from one club are. I can understand why you get confused on this issue, since you only ever manage to consider one club in your opinions, but dont expect the rest of us to accept this.
Haha, Douglas got twice as many votes, in less games. So Pfeiffer polled in one game, right? Brilliant.
fightingdreamer88
8 Nov 2007, 04:59
Douglas and Vince are both better than Darren Flopffer aren't they Craigy?
Craig: Yep. *delists Flopffer*
Douglas and Vince are both better than Darren Flopffer aren't they Craigy?
Craig: Yep. *delists Flopffer*
Look, this is an argument with Drummond no-one should WANT to win. We gain nothing by delisting a first-round draft pick after two-years - obviously it wasn't an enormously smart decision. Doesn't mean we have to carry on like pork chops about it, but still - probably better just moving on.
jarmanagic
8 Nov 2007, 08:22
Drummond is right about 1 thing, Pfeffier has talent, no doubt. Thus i can only imagine there were many more problems witrh attitude/behaviour than we know of. I dont think many (any?) regard Neil Craig as an idiot. He might mature if Richmond pick him up, or Jay Schulz might take him under his wing and finish his career off
Simply we made another top 20 draft mistake, attiutde the problem yet again. Poor judgement. we need to do better
Drummond
8 Nov 2007, 09:15
Everyone with atleast half a brain understands that training performance is relevant to how a professional footballer is judged. It only follows logically that you cannot.
Of course it's relevant, but the way you carry on you would assume it's more important than how a player performs on game day.
Yeah, im an asshole for putting up my money to support my team, whether they won or not. Do me a favour, admit you arent really a crows. No real fan would try to taunt another based upon their teams finals loss, you weak fool.
I was actually there so that was a waste of time...
One is AFL listed, one isnt.
You've only got a few more weeks to say this.
Good god almighty you are thick. You make less sense than a prostitute arguing for abstinence.
Being the best player for a losing team is not impressive in itself.
Players get brownlow votes on a losing team when they are considered to be in the best players 3 on the ground, not when they are considered to be the best of the losing team.
Best and fairest, and POTY awards are not measures of who the best on field are. They are measures of who the best from one club are. I can understand why you get confused on this issue, since you only ever manage to consider one club in your opinions, but dont expect the rest of us to accept this.
Haha, Douglas got twice as many votes, in less games. So Pfeiffer polled in one game, right? Brilliant.
Oh boy, I thought you might have made a typo in the heat of the moment but here you are repeating the stupidity. I mean seriously, being the best player in a losing team is not impressive? Where do you come up with this trash? Why then do they bother to publish a best players list when we lose? Better give the Advertiser a call, followed by the Herald Sun, and all the other media outlets and tell them to cancel the best players in a losing team, because hey, it's completely worthless information. :p
hey shorty
8 Nov 2007, 10:35
Oh boy, I thought you might have made a typo in the heat of the moment but here you are repeating the stupidity. I mean seriously, being the best player in a losing team is not impressive? Where do you come up with this trash? Why then do they bother to publish a best players list when we lose? Better give the Advertiser a call, followed by the Herald Sun, and all the other media outlets and tell them to cancel the best players in a losing team, because hey, it's completely worthless information. :p
There was still a best player list after the Norwood V Centrals game earlier in the year. Tell me how anybody deserved to be on it after losing by 30 goals. My local team lost by an average of 35 goals during the season, yet we still put in a best player list. Its not impressive Drummond, how can you possibly think it is. We'll see how good he is next year when hes playing in a relatively good Coburg team, assuming he does get drafted there.
I do agree with you, the guy has talent, but dont you realise it only gets you so far ?? His attitude was pathetic and only now hes been dropped does he start acting like a decent human being.
But congratulations, once again youve turned a completely normal thread into 1 about a Norwood player.
Dear Big Footy Moderators and Admins,
Can Drummond please be banned from the Adelaide board as he is clearly not a Crows supporter and is clearly here only to troll other members and unfairly bag the team.
Thanks from everyone.
Drummond
8 Nov 2007, 10:49
There was still a best player list after the Norwood V Centrals game earlier in the year. Tell me how anybody deserved to be on it after losing by 30 goals. My local team lost by an average of 35 goals during the season, yet we still put in a best player list. Its not impressive Drummond, how can you possibly think it is. We'll see how good he is next year when hes playing in a relatively good Coburg team, assuming he does get drafted there.
I do agree with you, the guy has talent, but dont you realise it only gets you so far ?? His attitude was pathetic and only now hes been dropped does he start acting like a decent human being.
But congratulations, once again youve turned a completely normal thread into 1 about a Norwood player.
That is without doubt the worst example I have ever heard. I mean that game against the Dogs was just a joke, but we still had 3 or 4 good players. So because the team was useless, individuals shouldn't be recognised? I guess this goes back to your comment about how it’s easier to look good in a bad team which is just plain wrong. Central had about 18 clearances in a row, and won the count about 35-8, but you’re telling me it would’ve been easier to look good playing for Norwood rather than the Dogs? What about the forwards who never saw action, or the defenders who had it coming down their end every minute of the game? Anyway that’s a different argument.
I'm still laughing at ST's take on the matter. I mean according to him we shouldn't name best players in a loss because it means nothing. Why do talent scouts ever talk about players being frontrunners, because according to you two it only matters how players perform in wins! Who cares if they're frontrunners like Dal Santo who always go missing when the team loses, it means stuff all to perform in a loss!
Oh and Farmy, top post champ.
If you all are unable to cope with Drommonds comments or sostrongly disagree then just ignore or let it all become history like the port power flogging !!!!
hey shorty
8 Nov 2007, 10:57
Problem is Drum, everyone agrees with the guy, youre not a Crows supporter. You just sit back and wait for something bad to happen and then you jump on it.
I just cant believe you think its easier to be a standout in a harder team, how much football have you actually watched ever. Constantly you hear, "Gee for a side thats gone so bad, at least that bloke had a dip" or "Itll be hard to pick best today, everyones been great"
Drummond
8 Nov 2007, 11:07
Problem is Drum, everyone agrees with the guy, youre not a Crows supporter. You just sit back and wait for something bad to happen and then you jump on it.
I just cant believe you think its easier to be a standout in a harder team, how much football have you actually watched ever. Constantly you hear, "Gee for a side thats gone so bad, at least that bloke had a dip" or "Itll be hard to pick best today, everyones been great"
How much football have I watched, ever?
Well, at least 5 AFL games and at least 1 SANFL game every week, I watch a lot of football. If you knew me you'd realise how laughable it is to question how much football I watch but it's your choice to dispute that but I don't know what I'd get out of lying.
We disagree on the matter and I can't see us ever agreeing unless you change your mind.
hey shorty
8 Nov 2007, 11:15
Not going to happen mate so I guess it is agree to disagree. But dude you have to let this go, Darren is gone and I know that upsets you for one reason or another and dont tell me its just because he's a fantastic footballer, which I do agree with to a point.
Scott Thompson should be punished, moreso for injuring another person than his own wellbeing. It was his dumb actions that led to the accident which led to the injuries. He is no angel off the field and we will probably never hear much of the things that go on, but its the same for Darren, most of us dont know about everything he did, difference is when youre an established AFL "star" you can afford to muck up, when youre a nobody trying to break in, you get nothing.
Drummond,
We do not care about your homo erotic obsession with Darren Pfieffer.
Thanks.
Truck Rutten
8 Nov 2007, 11:32
The only thing that concerns me is that Thommo owns a Commodore and was doing burnouts in it in front of his mates :eek: Heartbreaking to find out one of your favourite players is a king yob/bogan. Next I'll find out that he transports his Escort reds under his t-shirt sleeve.
ICanDressMyself
8 Nov 2007, 12:04
Dear Big Footy Moderators and Admins,
Can Drummond please be banned from the Adelaide board as he is clearly not a Crows supporter and is clearly here only to troll other members and unfairly bag the team.
Thanks from everyone.
Agreed.
Back to the Norwood board, troll.
BlackDouglas
8 Nov 2007, 12:39
Dear Big Footy Moderators and Admins,
Can Drummond please be banned from the Adelaide board as he is clearly not a Crows supporter and is clearly here only to troll other members and unfairly bag the team.
Thanks from everyone.
:thumbsu:
Agree tell the troll to move on.
Southerntakeover
8 Nov 2007, 13:33
Of course it's relevant, but the way you carry on you would assume it's more important than how a player performs on game day.
'The way i carry on'. Back this up with something.
I was actually there so that was a waste of time...
No, the waste of time was you trying to troll me on the Crows board about our finals loss. Weak dropkick.
You've only got a few more weeks to say this.
And then ill be able to say it again in a years time.
Oh boy, I thought you might have made a typo in the heat of the moment but here you are repeating the stupidity. I mean seriously, being the best player in a losing team is not impressive? Where do you come up with this trash? Why then do they bother to publish a best players list when we lose? Better give the Advertiser a call, followed by the Herald Sun, and all the other media outlets and tell them to cancel the best players in a losing team, because hey, it's completely worthless information. :p
Are you really this stupid? You HAVE to be trolling, no rational being could possible fail to comprehend a simple point as often as you have.
I guess you've conceeded your brownlow, and player of the year examples, and decided to come up with an even dumber example. So the newspaper covers both winning and losing teams. Big deal. That in no way suggests that it is a meaningful measure of a players performance.
Southerntakeover
8 Nov 2007, 13:34
Dear Big Footy Moderators and Admins,
Can Drummond please be banned from the Adelaide board as he is clearly not a Crows supporter and is clearly here only to troll other members and unfairly bag the team.
Thanks from everyone.
Agreed.
Drummond
8 Nov 2007, 19:14
No, the waste of time was you trying to troll me on the Crows board about our finals loss. Weak dropkick
Man you really are stupid. I was at the final, I never said it was a dream result, I said if I wasn't there it must have been one heck of a realistic dream. English isn't your strong suit, that much is obvious.
Are you really this stupid? You HAVE to be trolling, no rational being could possible fail to comprehend a simple point as often as you have.
I guess you've conceeded your brownlow, and player of the year examples, and decided to come up with an even dumber example. So the newspaper covers both winning and losing teams. Big deal. That in no way suggests that it is a meaningful measure of a players performance.
Keep digging that hole, you're a fair way down now. So why then does the AFC supply a list of best players after a loss? Why do clubs bother to have presentations to reward the best players after a loss?
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7816183&postcount=16
Why would you bother? Best players in a loss are MEANINGLESS according to you. Why bother posting POTY votes?
Which way do you want it?
RoosterLad
8 Nov 2007, 19:16
Why don't you **** off and supporter Melbourne or Richmond where your loverboys will continue to waste away in the VFL you pathetic gimp. Stop posting pointless crap on this board and go have a beer chump.
Southerntakeover
8 Nov 2007, 19:58
Keep digging that hole, you're a fair way down now. So why then does the AFC supply a list of best players after a loss? Why do clubs bother to have presentations to reward the best players after a loss?
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7816183&postcount=16
Why would you bother? Best players in a loss are MEANINGLESS according to you. Why bother posting POTY votes?
Which way do you want it?
Digging a hole? Im a fair way down? Are you really this delusional? This is starting to become comical. Look around this thread for a second. Theres post after post calling you a tool, how many are there agreeing with you? Hell, your inability to stay on a point for more than one thread seems to suggest that even you dont agree with yourself under scrutiny.
Show me where in that post i said that any of the players dominated, or even were amongst the best 5 players on the field? I didnt. Do you know why? Because player of the year is not a measure of that. Its a measure of how our players performed relative to each other. No more, no less. It is in no way an accurate measure of the entire game. The best players when taken from either team is a far more meaningful measure. Are you seriously trying to dispute this?
Heres a challenge though, next time try to provide an arguement, instead of hysterical screeching asking me to explain yet another measure you dont understand.
Drummond
8 Nov 2007, 20:09
Digging a hole? Im a fair way down? Are you really this delusional? This is starting to become comical. Look around this thread for a second. Theres post after post calling you a tool, how many are there agreeing with you? Hell, your inability to stay on a point for more than one thread seems to suggest that even you dont agree with yourself under scrutiny.
Most hate me, most super teens want me banned for "trolling". I don't agree with myself under scrutiny? Even those who despise me give me credit for sticking to my guns. You think I’d still be here arguing with a tool like you if I didn’t agree with myself? Interesting theory that.
Show me where in that post i said that any of the players dominated, or even were amongst the best 5 players on the field? I didnt. Do you know why? Because player of the year is not a measure of that. Its a measure of how our players performed relative to each other. No more, no less. It is in no way an accurate measure of the entire game. The best players when taken from either team is a far more meaningful measure. Are you seriously trying to dispute this?
Am I trying to dispute that best players are more important from a winning team as opposed to a losing team? Well there are the best players for a winning team and best players for a losing team, both hold importance. When you see the best players for a winning team they’ve obviously contributed to the win. On the other side of the coin, when you see the best players for a losing team you recognise their contribution and effort. Both deserve credit. According to you the latter is absolutely meaningless; we should only put any significance of those on the winning team. That’s what I’m “hysterically screeching” at you to understand, yet time and time again you’ve failed to.
hey shorty
8 Nov 2007, 20:32
Its definetly not meaningless, you do have to recognise the guys that perform on both sides. But when youre team gets a hammering, invariably there are still a couple guys who do standout due to their effort and so forth. But more than likely they werent better than anyone on the opposition, they are the best compared to the rest of their own team.
You said you were leaving, you havent left yet....... or are you waiting until after the Drafts to see if Darren ends up somewhere else.
Most hate me, most super teens want me banned for "trolling". I don't agree with myself under scrutiny? Even those who despise me give me credit for sticking to my guns.
Drummond, I don't despise you, nor do I give you credit for sticking to your guns.
The truth is you would have no exact idea - nor do we - why Pfeiffer was delisted.
All we know is that it wasn't football related, so you can drop that argument.
The AFC would have a detailed record of all Pfeiffer's indiscretions and breaches of club rules etc which is why Pfeiffer was delisted.
If you can't provide an exact and complete replica of that record then why do you continue to defend him?
The AFC know why he was delisted - you don't.
Southerntakeover
8 Nov 2007, 20:39
Most hate me, most super teens want me banned for "trolling". I don't agree with myself under scrutiny? Even those who despise me give me credit for sticking to my guns. You think I’d still be here arguing with a tool like you if I didn’t agree with myself? Interesting theory that.
Yes, everyone dislikes you for no reason what so ever. Puzzling really.
Either you dont agree with yourself, or you are the worlds worst debater. Take your pick.
I mean, you've completely failed to stick to your original guns, trying to draw parallels between Goodwin, Thompson, and Pfeiffer. Then you abandoned your attempts to suggest that Pfeiffer is better than the rest of our youngsters. Now all you're trying to argue is a sidebar.
Am I trying to dispute that best players are more important from a winning team as opposed to a losing team? Well there are the best players for a winning team and best players for a losing team, both hold importance. When you see the best players for a winning team they’ve obviously contributed to the win. On the other side of the coin, when you see the best players for a losing team you recognise their contribution and effort. Both deserve credit. According to you the latter is absolutely meaningless; we should only put any significance of those on the winning team. That’s what I’m “hysterically screeching” at you to understand, yet time and time again you’ve failed to.
Actually, i never said only the winning team count. I said the true measure is the best on field from both teams combined.
Looking at either teams best in isolation is meaningless, as it has no context of how the performances measured up in relation to the game as a whole. Being the best on the losing team is not impressive at all by itself, its only with context that it could be impressive. If you are the best player on the field and from a losing team, that is certainly impressive. If you are the best from the losing team, and maybe 10th best player on the field, that is not impressive at all.
Comprehend?
or are you waiting until after the Drafts to see if Darren ends up somewhere else.
Im sure he will. Some club will take a chance and think they can change him. It took Pike 3 go's to get it right
BlackDouglas
8 Nov 2007, 20:45
The AFC know why he was delisted - you don't.
Game. Set. Match.
game over. :thumbsu:
hey shorty
8 Nov 2007, 20:46
Im sure he will. Some club will take a chance and think they can change him. It took Pike 3 go's to get it right
No doubt about that and they might be able to change him. His attitude has improved significantly in the past month or so, but more than likely will go back to what it was once he gets picked up again. Get him away from home, where he needs to fend for himself and then we'll see what happens.
hey shorty
8 Nov 2007, 20:47
Drummond, I don't despise you, nor do I give you credit for sticking to your guns.
The truth is you would have no exact idea - nor do we - why Pfeiffer was delisted.
All we know is that it wasn't football related, so you can drop that argument.
The AFC would have a detailed record of all Pfeiffer's indiscretions and breaches of club rules etc which is why Pfeiffer was delisted.
If you can't provide an exact and complete replica of that record then why do you continue to defend him?
The AFC know why he was delisted - you don't.
Ding Ding Ding. And after a 3rd Round K/O..........
Drummond
8 Nov 2007, 22:36
Yes, everyone dislikes you for no reason what so ever. Puzzling really.
Either you dont agree with yourself, or you are the worlds worst debater. Take your pick.
I mean, you've completely failed to stick to your original guns, trying to draw parallels between Goodwin, Thompson, and Pfeiffer. Then you abandoned your attempts to suggest that Pfeiffer is better than the rest of our youngsters. Now all you're trying to argue is a sidebar.
1. I said we have double standards and I'm standing by that call. How I failed to stick to that I'm not sure.
2. I've insisted Pfeiffer will be a better player than Vince and Douglas. This is an opinion, no one knows for sure whether it will turn out to be correct, but that's my opinion. I've stood by that and I will continue to.
3. We're now arguing something you've changed your stance on a number of times.
Actually, i never said only the winning team count. I said the true measure is the best on field from both teams combined.
Looking at either teams best in isolation is meaningless, as it has no context of how the performances measured up in relation to the game as a whole. Being the best on the losing team is not impressive at all by itself, its only with context that it could be impressive. If you are the best player on the field and from a losing team, that is certainly impressive. If you are the best from the losing team, and maybe 10th best player on the field, that is not impressive at all.
Comprehend?
I comprehend. So being the best player on the losing team and being given 2 Brownlow, Magarey, Sandover (whatever medal you like) votes is absolutely meaningless because they weren’t BOG? Ah I see it now ST, its BOG or bust. That right there I disagree with, I guess that’ll have to be it. Best player on a losing team is a commendable effort; you’ll never make me change my mind on that. Just because they may not have been adjudged the best player on the field doesn’t take anything away from their performance.
Glad the madness has ended.
Southerntakeover
8 Nov 2007, 23:36
As for 1-3... you failed to defend those stances when you were questioned on it. Especially the first one. Can you explain why a veteran club champion with one slip up is the same as a second year player with serial poor behaviour?
I comprehend. So being the best player on the losing team and being given 2 Brownlow, Magarey, Sandover (whatever medal you like) votes is absolutely meaningless because they weren’t BOG? Ah I see it now ST, its BOG or bust. That right there I disagree with, I guess that’ll have to be it. Best player on a losing team is a commendable effort; you’ll never make me change my mind on that. Just because they may not have been adjudged the best player on the field doesn’t take anything away from their performance.
Glad the madness has ended.
What the bloody hell are you on about?
Your attempts to summarise my position have been pathetic. You clearly are unable to comprehend a simple position.
Where did i say that best on field is the only performance that matters?
Amazingly, the example you are accusing me of talking down is the only one which was was judged as amongst the best with both teams taken into account, the very measure ive been saying is far more credible than looking at one team alone.
"Best player on a losing team is a commendable effort; you’ll never make me change my mind on that."
This is such a foolish position. Lets try a hypothetical... lets say that a football team fails to score in a match. They are completely dominated from start to finish. Not one player wins his position. You would still hold that being the best player on this losing team is commendable? The context is not important at all to you? This is the epitome of pig headed stubborness on your behalf.