View Full Version : Adam Goodes Vs Jimmy Bartel
gocats88
13 Nov 2007, 11:20
Who is the better player?
one_twelve112
13 Nov 2007, 11:23
2008 - Bartel>Goodes
Career - Goodes>Bartel
Right now I would take Goodes....just
Who is the better player?
Goodes can have a greater influence on a game than Bartel. Froms rounds 16 to the elimination final Goodes was the best player in the entire league. He really is a freak.
Monkeyboy
13 Nov 2007, 11:30
2008 - Bartel>Goodes
Career - Goodes>Bartel
Right now I would take Goodes....just
Spot on!
MinerBoy
13 Nov 2007, 11:40
2007 - Bartel>Goodes......just
Career - Goodes>Bartel
Right now I would take Goodes
I like this assessment.
one_twelve112
13 Nov 2007, 11:53
I like this assessment.
That's what I meant?!?!?!
The Zebra
13 Nov 2007, 13:51
Froms rounds 16 to the elimination final Goodes was the best player in the entire league. He really is a freak.
I agree - he was absolutely blistering in the latter part of the season.
Amazingly, it seems he is still underrated by some.
Absolute freak.
delirious1
13 Nov 2007, 14:09
I agree - he was absolutely blistering in the latter part of the season.
Amazingly, it seems he is still underrated by some.
Absolute freak.
he always does it, quiet season, people slag him off
but by round 14 he kicks it up a gear and destroys teams, he always peaks when the team needs him to in the latter part of the season
one_twelve112
13 Nov 2007, 14:12
he always does it, quiet season, people slag him off
but by round 14 he kicks it up a gear and destroys teams, he always peaks when the team needs him to in the latter part of the season
Probably part of the reason he is not rated that highly by most. Real champions like; Judd, Brown, Hird, Voss etc. will perform week in week out.
delirious1
13 Nov 2007, 14:21
Probably part of the reason he is not rated that highly by most. Real champions like; Judd, Brown, Hird, Voss etc. will perform week in week out.
Brown? he hasnt preformed all year, he was compitent at the start of the year, then destroyed everyone by the second half, exactly like Goodes does
The Zebra
13 Nov 2007, 14:31
he always does it, quiet season, people slag him off
but by round 14 he kicks it up a gear and destroys teams, he always peaks when the team needs him to in the latter part of the season
He definitely goes up at cog near the end, but 2006 he was pretty awesome across the whole year.
I remember about half way through 2006 thinking why the **** isn't anyone noticing Adam Goodes' form this year. He just wasn't mentioned.
one_twelve112
13 Nov 2007, 16:07
Brown? he hasnt preformed all year, he was compitent at the start of the year, then destroyed everyone by the second half, exactly like Goodes does
24 goals and 80+ marks in the first half of the year is not a bad return at all, especially with a few really good games in there and not really a shocker. I agree he had a better 2nd half though....
wce4premiership
13 Nov 2007, 16:55
Goodes can have a greater influence on a game than Bartel. Froms rounds 16 to the elimination final Goodes was the best player in the entire league. He really is a freak.I don't think he was the best player in the league and i'm never worrying about what goodes will do when we play sydney.
I think bartel is better and i would rather him on the eagles list.
I don't think he was the best player in the league and i'm never worrying about what goodes will do when we play sydney.
I think bartel is better and i would rather him on the eagles list.
Here are goodes states for his last 6 games.
Demons - Round 18 - 24 Disp - 17 Kicks - 7 Hbl - 9 Marks
Saints - Round 19 - 24 Disp - 17 Kicks - 7 Hbl - 8 Marks
Lions - Round 20 - 28 Disp - 15 Kicks - 13 Hbl - 9 Marks
Magpies - Round 21 - 33 Disp - 23 Kicks - 10 Hbl - 11 Marks
Hawks - Round 22 - 27 Disp - 15 Kicks - 12 Hbl - 9 Marks
Magpies - Elimination Final - 29 Disp - 15 Kicks - 14 Hbl - 11 Marks
smiddaz123
13 Nov 2007, 17:22
Here are goodes states for his last 6 games.
Demons - Round 18 - 24 Disp - 17 Kicks - 7 Hbl - 9 Marks
Saints - Round 19 - 24 Disp - 17 Kicks - 7 Hbl - 8 Marks
Lions - Round 20 - 28 Disp - 15 Kicks - 13 Hbl - 9 Marks
Magpies - Round 21 - 33 Disp - 23 Kicks - 10 Hbl - 11 Marks
Hawks - Round 22 - 27 Disp - 15 Kicks - 12 Hbl - 9 Marks
Magpies - Elimination Final - 29 Disp - 15 Kicks - 14 Hbl - 11 Marks
If you want to say he's better than Bartel, then you have to post Bartel's stats as a comparison.
Dj Chriss
13 Nov 2007, 22:06
The elimnation final was Collingwood V Goodes, Goodes almost won, absolute freak
Rockford
16 Nov 2007, 11:42
If you want to say he's better than Bartel, then you have to post Bartel's stats as a comparison.
Jimmy's stats for his last 6 games.
Port - Grand Final - 28 disp (16 kicks, 12 hbl) - 5 marks - 2 goals - 5 tackles
Collingwood - Prelim Final - 30 disp (15 kicks, 15 hbl) - 5 marks - 0 goals - 7 tackles
Kangaroos - First Qual. Final - 29 disp (19 kicks, 10 hbl) - 6 marks - 1 goal - 4 tackles
* missed rounds 21 and 22 after having his appendix removed.
Kangaroos - Round 20 - 36 disp (19 kicks, 17 hbl) - 8 marks - 1 goal - 6 tackles
Adelaide - Round 19 - 35 disp (21 kicks, 14 hbl) - 13 marks - 2 goals - 5 tackles
Richmond - Round 18 - 32 disp (12 kicks, 20 hbl) - 6 marks - 0 goals - 9 tackles
You would expect Goodes to be better over his career, he is 4 years older than Jimmy. :rolleyes: 4 years ago Bartel was only 19.
Of course I'm biased (as are all the Swans supporters picking Goodes) but Bartel for me.
Stormer
16 Nov 2007, 22:44
Goodes. How often do you get a 200cm guy that dominates in the midfield winning brownlows?
smiddaz123
17 Nov 2007, 09:22
Goodes. How often do you get a 200cm guy that dominates in the midfield winning brownlows?
Not often.
Hardly relevant since Goodes stands at 194cm.
Personally, I think Adam Goodes is over-rated.
I never really notice him do anything outstanding :confused:
My vote goes to Bartel.
BABYBOMBERS2007
17 Nov 2007, 20:08
Goodes is better as he is more versitile and has better skill.
Richo83
18 Nov 2007, 22:17
Jimmy's stats for his last 6 games.
Port - Grand Final - 28 disp (16 kicks, 12 hbl) - 5 marks - 2 goals - 5 tackles
Collingwood - Prelim Final - 30 disp (15 kicks, 15 hbl) - 5 marks - 0 goals - 7 tackles
Kangaroos - First Qual. Final - 29 disp (19 kicks, 10 hbl) - 6 marks - 1 goal - 4 tackles
* missed rounds 21 and 22 after having his appendix removed.
Kangaroos - Round 20 - 36 disp (19 kicks, 17 hbl) - 8 marks - 1 goal - 6 tackles
Adelaide - Round 19 - 35 disp (21 kicks, 14 hbl) - 13 marks - 2 goals - 5 tackles
Richmond - Round 18 - 32 disp (12 kicks, 20 hbl) - 6 marks - 0 goals - 9 tackles
You would expect Goodes to be better over his career, he is 4 years older than Jimmy. :rolleyes: 4 years ago Bartel was only 19.
Of course I'm biased (as are all the Swans supporters picking Goodes) but Bartel for me.
Exactly. People seem to think that Goodes is good but in reality, people are attracted to him because he stands out. People see a 194cm guy playing in the midfield and they say, wow, he must be good, but in reality, he's not that good. I'd take Bartel.
bhorjus
18 Nov 2007, 22:50
Goodes by a bee's diaphragm becasue of his versatility.
Jimmy for mine. IMO, the reason Goodes looks like the better player is because it seems he's always skirting the packs, whereas Jimmy is at the bottom of them. Jimmy is also one of the best contested marks for his size in the league. Just have to look at his effort against the Dogs in 2004 when he was standing next to Darcy when he bombed the ball forward, and ran 30-40m flat out with his eyes on the ball all the time, and leapt into the pack that was approaching from the other direction and took a screamer.
Exactly. People seem to think that Goodes is good but in reality, people are attracted to him because he stands out. People see a 194cm guy playing in the midfield and they say, wow, he must be good, but in reality, he's not that good. I'd take Bartel.
He's not that good?
I knew you never watched a game in your life, Goodes has won two Brownlows, proving to you idiots that his first wasnt a fluke. He performs on finals and gets a heavy tag every game, week in week out.
A guy stands at 194cm, runs like the wind, takes a heap of bounces and turns games.
But no good?
bombersno1
26 Nov 2007, 12:59
Put it this way every single recruiter would want Goodes on their list every day of the week and twice on Sunday before Bartel. That is not saying Bartel isn't good, but he is only a midfielder. Goodes can play forward, down back, has played in the ruck, and is one of the best mids in the comp!
I would take Goodesy.
He is an absolute gun. Much more influential than Jimmy. Has height, strength, mobility, speed, agility, and accuracy all in one.
How many players can play in ruck, midfield, defence, while kicking goals at the same time.
Goodes - harder type of player to find.
Bartel - Absolute gun but you can find players like him more easily eg. Daniel Kerr, Gary Ablett jr, Brent Harvey etc.
I can't believe Bartell is winning.
I guess we're lucky you guys don't get a real vote or Howard would still be in.
Richo83
27 Nov 2007, 18:34
He's not that good?
I knew you never watched a game in your life, Goodes has won two Brownlows, proving to you idiots that his first wasnt a fluke. He performs on finals and gets a heavy tag every game, week in week out.
A guy stands at 194cm, runs like the wind, takes a heap of bounces and turns games.
But no good?
Bartel does all of that, gets tagged, performs in finals, bounces, runs a lot etc. and he's nearly four years older. When Bartel is the age of what Goodes is now, he will have achieved more than Goodes. Regardless, he didn't deserve his two medals, the first should have gone outright to Buckley and the second should've gone to West. Bartel won his medal fair and square.
Bartel does all of that, gets tagged, performs in finals, bounces, runs a lot etc. and he's nearly four years older. When Bartel is the age of what Goodes is now, he will have achieved more than Goodes. Regardless, he didn't deserve his two medals, the first should have gone outright to Buckley and the second should've gone to West. Bartel won his medal fair and square.
Geez bias much?
Who are you to say Goodes didn't derserve those brownlows. Are you suggesting Goodes didn't win his medal fair and square? Doesn't make sense but ok....