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bloods01
14 Nov 2007, 11:50
I think there is now doubt that at least one of our picks will be used on a tall. Whether it's 11 or 26, we definatley need to go for height in this draft.
The below player's are clear standouts and at pick 11, we should be in a position to get a quality kid. The only question remains which one? Personally I think Rance and Collier are going to be gems. Rance can hold down a KP and that's what we need. Collier on the other hand is Mr. Versatility. He has played in defence, in the midfield, on the ball, as a wingman, and even as a forward pushing up onto the ball. They will both be great player's and I hope one of them will be wearing red and white next year.
Alex Rance – Swan Districts, WA, 192.3cm, 87.6kg, DOB 9/10/89
Honours
NAB AFL All-Australian Under-18 Team 2007
Western Australia representative – winners of the 2007 NAB AFL Under-18 ChampionshipDavid Myers – Perth, WA, 190.7cm, 86.2kg, DOB 30/6/89
Honours
NAB AFL All-Australian Under-18 Team 2007
Ron Barassi Medallist 2006 International Rules series
Western Australia representative – winners of the 2007 NAB AFL Under-18 ChampionshipsTayte Pears – East Perth, WA, 190.1cm, 91.8kg, DOB 24/3/90
Honours
Western Australia representative – winners of the 2007 NAB AFL Under-18 ChampionshipsTom Collier – Tassie Mariners, TAS, 192.3cm, 83.7kg, DOB 25/3/89
Honours
NAB AFL All-Australian Under-18 Team 2007
Tasmania representative - 2007 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships
AIS-AFL Academy graduateNAB AFL National Draft Camp highlights
Agility – 8.22 sec (4th overall)
3km time trial – 10:38 (4th overall)
Handspan – 25.0cm (7th overall)Chris Kangars – Geelong Falcons, VIC, 193.1cm, 84.9kg, DOB 1/8/89
Honours
Vic Country representative - 2007 NAB AFL Under-18 ChampionshipsNAB AFL National Draft Camp highlights
Repeat sprints – 23.59 sec (1st overall)
Shuttle run – 14-5 (8th overall)
The big question is will they be avaliable when its the Swans turn to pick. Does anyone have a list of the most likely top 10 picks this year?
Jeffers1984
14 Nov 2007, 13:56
The big question is will they be avaliable when its the Swans turn to pick. Does anyone have a list of the most likely top 10 picks this year?
Just go to the Drafts & Trading board. There are a gazillion mock draft threads.
However off the top of my head, these are the names that will most likely be in the top 10 according to the posters
Kruezer
Crotchin
C Morton
B Ebert
B McEvoy
L Henderson
C Mastern
R Palmer
A Rance
D Gourdis
T Pears
D Myers
T Collier
Would love Rance or McEvoy to last till our pick. McEvoy as the future Hall replacement (or could be a Brendon Lade) or Rance to replace Lionheart Leo.
bloods01
14 Nov 2007, 15:34
Just go to the Drafts & Trading board. There are a gazillion mock draft threads.
However off the top of my head, these are the names that will most likely be in the top 10 according to the posters
Kruezer
Crotchin
C Morton
B Ebert
B McEvoy
L Henderson
C Mastern
R Palmer
A Rance
D Gourdis
T Pears
D Myers
T Collier
Would love Rance or McEvoy to last till our pick. McEvoy as the future Hall replacement (or could be a Brendon Lade) or Rance to replace Lionheart Leo.
I can't see McEvoy lasting until pick 11. He is seen as the next best Ruckman / Forward behind Kruezer. He could even go in the top 5. The Bulldogs and Demons are believed to be hot on his trail. Henderson is highly rated also but he will be long gone by the time we have our pick. It just depends on what the other clubs do. With most drafts there is always a suprise packet early on. Lets hope it works in our favour.
I would love to land any of the 5 that Bloods01 mentioned, Myers is not a KPP but is just to talented to ignore. I've not too convinced about McEvoy actually, in my view, the marking, power CHFs are slowly being rubbed out of the modern game and the CHFs are generally the mobile, leading types (like Riewoldt, Franklin and a lesser extent, Cloke). And I would rather spent #11 on a real KP prospect. McEvoy may turn out to be a decent ruckman and I'm not sure he has the pace to be an effective KPP.
I'll definitely grab Henderson if he slids that far. But as I said, I'll be happy to land any KP prospect.
We thought we'd get a key position last year too and it didn't happen
Who knows what Roos Barham and co are thinking this year
rancidpants13
14 Nov 2007, 21:48
Just go to the Drafts & Trading board. There are a gazillion mock draft threads.
However off the top of my head, these are the names that will most likely be in the top 10 according to the posters
Kruezer
Crotchin
C Morton
B Ebert
B McEvoy
L Henderson
C Mastern
R Palmer
A Rance
D Gourdis
T Pears
D Myers
T Collier
Would love Rance or McEvoy to last till our pick. McEvoy as the future Hall replacement (or could be a Brendon Lade) or Rance to replace Lionheart Leo.
and rioli, cyril i think, has been touted most of the year as a likely top 10 candidate, unless something's happened recently to brings his stocks down in the ratings....i don't think he's a KPP though
you'd think we'd be some chance of getting SOMEONE decent at 11, surely...i mean, there has to be a lot of good talls still available then
Bloods boy from the Bush
15 Nov 2007, 09:59
To me Alex Rance seems perfect for us tall defender who can also rebound well out of defence much like a Leo Barry type of player.
To me Alex Rance seems perfect for us tall defender who can also rebound well out of defence much like a Leo Barry type of player.
An extra positive in drafting Rance is that fact that it has been reported that Rance's family will move with him to the place that drafts him, so the going home factor is probably not something we have to worry about.
rancidpants13
16 Nov 2007, 16:34
An extra positive in drafting Rance is that fact that it has been reported that Rance's family will move with him to the place that drafts him, so the going home factor is probably not something we have to worry about.
and i'd be happy for young Rance to take the nickname "Rancid".... hooray!!!
rocketjet
16 Nov 2007, 18:43
Swans are looking at Rodney Davis, now him playing for the swans instead of getting picked up the the pies would be interesting, played last year for Portland in the US of A. Very well known at Mckinnin Bentleigh football club
Swans are looking at Rodney Davis, now him playing for the swans instead of getting picked up the the pies would be interesting, played last year for Portland in the US of A. Very well known at Mckinnin Bentleigh football club
Are you just speculating or do you have some inside information?
scottwade
16 Nov 2007, 23:00
Swans are looking at Rodney Davis, now him playing for the swans instead of getting picked up the the pies would be interesting, played last year for Portland in the US of A. Very well known at Mckinnin Bentleigh football club
Well he hasn't nominated for the draft.
And unless he hasn't played in Oz for the past 3 years, I believe that's the only way he can be picked up.
bloods01
17 Nov 2007, 14:18
Swans are looking at Rodney Davis, now him playing for the swans instead of getting picked up the the pies would be interesting, played last year for Portland in the US of A. Very well known at Mckinnin Bentleigh football club
There's a better chance of Plugger making another comeback than the Swans picking someone who has been playing in the US.
scottwade
17 Nov 2007, 15:01
There's a better chance of Plugger making another comeback than the Swans picking someone who has been playing in the US.
Bring back Sandford Wheeler I say. :)
bloods01
17 Nov 2007, 15:37
Bring back Sandford Wheeler I say. :)
He actually wasn't that bad. ;)
I guess if he qualifies for an international rookie and takes up the second 'international rookie' spot that we have outside the rookie slots, then there's nothing to lose.
scottwade
17 Nov 2007, 17:18
He actually wasn't that bad. ;)
Back in the bad old days all we had to cheer were Jamie Lawson & Wheeler. :)
Actually Wheeler's speed and run would have been perfect for today's footy. Unfortunately he wasn't Barassi's type, so he was binned well prior to his use-by-date.
I guess if he qualifies for an international rookie and takes up the second 'international rookie' spot that we have outside the rookie slots, then there's nothing to lose.
If you're implying that Murphy doesn't count towards our normal rookie quota, that is not correct. Irish recruits aren't "international" in that sense.
bloods01
18 Nov 2007, 11:45
Listening to insider goss there seems to be a very big chance that Rance could go in the top 10 ending any chance that we have of getting him. He is regarded as the best potential key defender in the draft and the likes of Melbourne, St.Kilda, Essendon, and Brisbane may opt for him with their first pick. As a result of this Lachlan Henderson (touted as a top 10 pick for quite some time) may slip out of the top 10. Clubs are a little indecisive about Henderson and that could work out in our favour. We then would be in a postion to snap him up at 11.
Henderson is a great KP prospect and stands at 196cm and 92kg. Geelong regional manager Michael Turner has compared him to Matthew Pavlich. That is a glowing endorsement for the young man and if we miss out on Rance, lets hope that Henderson can fall in out lap.
If you're implying that Murphy doesn't count towards our normal rookie quota, that is not correct. Irish recruits aren't "international" in that sense.
Really? I guess I got the situation mixed up. So has there actually been any 'international' rookies in the AFL at all?
Really? I guess I got the situation mixed up. So has there actually been any 'international' rookies in the AFL at all?
Think Kennelly might have been. And Melbourne drafted a couple of Irishmen soon after Kennelly came over but neither of them lasted too long.
Not entirely sure about the Kennelly situation since the concept of an International Rookie wasn't established then so there may not have been a rule to cover whether he was "in" or "out" of the main rookie list. But I know the AFL agreed to include the Irish within the list a few years back to pacify the GAA and prevent the AFL teams bringing over Irishmen indiscriminantly.
Thanks for clearing that up! So I guess the likes of the O'Hailpins and Clarke would have been 'normal' rookies before their elevations.
SamSwan
20 Nov 2007, 13:55
Bring back Sandford Wheeler I say. :)
In fairness Sandford AKA Matthew did play 1 good game for us. It just happened that in that particlar game we lost to Brisbane by about 162 pts.
Sandford would make our worst team of the last 20 yrs, maybe ever! Paul Chambers would have to be captain of it
rancidpants13
20 Nov 2007, 14:51
In fairness Sandford AKA Matthew did play 1 good game for us. It just happened that in that particlar game we lost to Brisbane by about 162 pts.
Sandford would make our worst team of the last 20 yrs, maybe ever! Paul Chambers would have to be captain of it
matthew nicks, by sheer weight of number of games he was allowed to play, would be captain
it was always my theory that when nicks was in the 22 the coaches were basically giving up that week......i know it wasn't the case, i just thought for a bloke of his experience he made the stupidest mistakes, every friggin week......head-slappingly frustrating
Bloods boy from the Bush
20 Nov 2007, 15:15
Didn't realise Chambers, Wheeler, Nicks & Co were nominating for the draft and even so I would have labeled them as top prospects.
rancidpants13
20 Nov 2007, 21:13
Didn't realise Chambers, Wheeler, Nicks & Co were nominating for the draft and even so I would have labeled them as top prospects.
yeah, funny how things get off track....surprised we haven't got round to the election yet
bedford
20 Nov 2007, 21:21
In fairness Sandford AKA Matthew did play 1 good game for us. It just happened that in that particlar game we lost to Brisbane by about 162 pts.
Sandford would make our worst team of the last 20 yrs, maybe ever! Paul Chambers would have to be captain of it
no mcveigh would be skipper and co captain with ahmat
matthew nicks, by sheer weight of number of games he was allowed to play, would be captain
it was always my theory that when nicks was in the 22 the coaches were basically giving up that week......i know it wasn't the case, i just thought for a bloke of his experience he made the stupidest mistakes, every friggin week......head-slappingly frustrating
At his peak (which admittedly only lasted for a couple of years) Nicks was comfortably in the Swans' best half dozen players. He was handy before then, and declined rapidly when injuries got the better of him.
He has no right to be spoken of in the same breath as the likes of Chambers.
bloods01
21 Nov 2007, 15:18
At his peak (which admittedly only lasted for a couple of years) Nicks was comfortably in the Swans' best half dozen players. He was handy before then, and declined rapidly when injuries got the better of him.
He has no right to be spoken of in the same breath as the likes of Chambers.
Could not agree anymore. Nicks was a valuable member of the team at one stage and was great for us both in attack and defence. A very versatile player.
rancidpants13
21 Nov 2007, 15:43
At his peak (which admittedly only lasted for a couple of years) Nicks was comfortably in the Swans' best half dozen players. He was handy before then, and declined rapidly when injuries got the better of him.
He has no right to be spoken of in the same breath as the likes of Chambers.
i didn't mention him in the same breath as chambers....in fact, i barely think of chambers
nicks, however, was infuriating becvause, yes, he obviously had football talent but for a player with the experience he had, his mistake rate seemed to get worse as his career went on....and i would need only a quick look at the players he played with to come up with, i'd reckon, at least a dozen players ahead of him
i still remember too many missed shots at goal, duffed kicks to teammates, midfield fumbles that led to oppoistion goals, wrong options, missed tackles....blah blah blah
"best half dozen" is being far, far too benevolent....
you're not matthew's mother, are you?
To be fair, Matthew Nicks was a fairly decent player back in the Eade era, especially when he was playing on the half-back flank, I can't remember it clearly, but he might have been nominated for All-Australian once or twice?
occy437
22 Nov 2007, 12:52
back to topic.
i think Matty Nicks was all Australian in 2000 or 2001.
Andy Ottens for pick two would be great. i have heard that Sydney and super roy keane on him. mark my words if avaliable we will take him. tall versatile midfielder ala goodes.
if he is good would love robbie tarrant. big gorilla foward with big endurance and good speed. at 26 would be great.
for mine rance at 11
tarrant at 26.
KPB KPF and a midfielder.
still have no idea why we elevated Brennan, can not find a spot for him in our team let alone our list. Promote some youth.
these names should be given time and oppotunities.
Barlow
White
O'Keefe
three players who really can take us foward. especially O'Keefe a smart foward, can play the schnieder role ala 2003.
rancidpants13
23 Nov 2007, 14:34
back to topic.
i think Matty Nicks was all Australian in 2000 or 2001.
Andy Ottens for pick two would be great. i have heard that Sydney and super roy keane on him. mark my words if avaliable we will take him. tall versatile midfielder ala goodes.
if he is good would love robbie tarrant. big gorilla foward with big endurance and good speed. at 26 would be great.
for mine rance at 11
tarrant at 26.
KPB KPF and a midfielder.
still have no idea why we elevated Brennan, can not find a spot for him in our team let alone our list. Promote some youth.
these names should be given time and oppotunities.
Barlow
White
O'Keefe
three players who really can take us foward. especially O'Keefe a smart foward, can play the schnieder role ala 2003.
yes, i have to agree on luke brennan....i'd hoped he'd come good and be a real find for us, but while he's obviously brave and will have a go, he lacks composure and his kicking skills are dubious....spose he's still young and can improve, but there's at least a half-dozen others i'd like to see promoted to first 22 before brennan
also, i know a couple of people close to the hawthorn club who have no wrap on him at all, think we took a dud off their hands
bloods01
23 Nov 2007, 15:00
yes, i have to agree on luke brennan....i'd hoped he'd come good and be a real find for us, but while he's obviously brave and will have a go, he lacks composure and his kicking skills are dubious....spose he's still young and can improve, but there's at least a half-dozen others i'd like to see promoted to first 22 before brennan
also, i know a couple of people close to the hawthorn club who have no wrap on him at all, think we took a dud off their hands
I can't see much upside to Brennan. At best he will be a stop gap player. Personally I wouldn't have promoted him onto the senior list. As you said his foot skills are poor and he is a poor decision maker at times. I would have given myself another pick in the national draft. I would take a young up and coming KP prospect over Brennan any day of the week.
rancidpants13
23 Nov 2007, 15:09
I can't see much upside to Brennan. At best he will be a stop gap player. Personally I wouldn't have promoted him onto the senior list. As you said his foot skills are poor and he is a poor decision maker at times. I would have given myself another pick in the national draft. I would take a young up and coming KP prospect over Brennan any day of the week.
time for some good news
in today's swans 3km time trial, nick fosdike was first in a tick under 10 minutes, ryan o'keefe was second in 10m 06, outsprinting BRENDAN MURPHY in the last bit, murphy finishing in 10.12....coaches delighted with murphy's fitness and athletic ability, and reports say if he continues with his progress over xmess, he might be given a chance to play pre-season
this is surely a fantastic start for an 18YO 195cm kid at this stage
ssfc0203
23 Nov 2007, 15:12
time for some good news
in today's swans 3km time trial, nick fosdike was first in a tick under 10 minutes, ryan o'keefe was second in 10m 06, outsprinting BRENDAN MURPHY in the last bit, murphy finishing in 10.12....coaches delighted with murphy's fitness and athletic ability, and reports say if he continues with his progress over xmess, he might be given a chance to play pre-season
this is surely a fantastic start for an 18YO 195cm kid at this stage
thats really, really good news!
i'd love to see how he goes in the competition and gels into the team in the pre-season
grimlock
23 Nov 2007, 16:00
There is little chance of getting a KPP at #11. Roos's past drafting shows that unless there is a standout available he will lean towards a running player.
There is little chance of getting a KPP at #11. Roos's past drafting shows that unless there is a standout available he will lean towards a running player.
Maybe it's time to break the trend? This is the precisely the reason why we have such a lack of depth in terms of young talls and a load of small/mediums fighting for 1 or 2 spaces in the senior squad.
We drafted another 'running' player in the super draft last year in the first round, do we really need another one (or one over a KP prospect?)? And the fact that we accquired Mattner?
And given the fact that KP prospects takes longer to develop than small/mediums, we really need to address that issue right now. And if we can't get a decent KP prospect at #11, there's even less chances of getting one at #26.
scottwade
23 Nov 2007, 18:21
Maybe it's time to break the trend? This is the precisely the reason why we have such a lack of depth in terms of young talls and a load of small/mediums fighting for 1 or 2 spaces in the senior squad.
We drafting another 'running' player in the super draft last year in the first round, do we really need another one (or one over a KP prospect?)? And the fact that we accquired Mattner?
And given the fact that KP prospects takes longer to develop than small/mediums, we really need to address that issue right now. And if we can't get a decent KP prospect at #11, there's even less chances of getting one at #26.
Spot on.
bloods01
24 Nov 2007, 08:15
time for some good news
in today's swans 3km time trial, nick fosdike was first in a tick under 10 minutes, ryan o'keefe was second in 10m 06, outsprinting BRENDAN MURPHY in the last bit, murphy finishing in 10.12....coaches delighted with murphy's fitness and athletic ability, and reports say if he continues with his progress over xmess, he might be given a chance to play pre-season
this is surely a fantastic start for an 18YO 195cm kid at this stage
He could potentially be a gem. John Blakey said that he has picked the game up extremely well and that there is a slight chance that we may see him play pre-season. A remarkable effort if it occurs. He also siad that they would be grooming him for a KP forward or defensive post.
ssfc0203
24 Nov 2007, 11:47
He could potentially be a gem. John Blakey said that he has picked the game up extremely well and that there is a slight chance that we may see him play pre-season. A remarkable effort if it occurs. He also siad that they would be grooming him for a KP forward or defensive post.
he better be, because we just drafted a small and a medium :thumbsu:
bloods01
24 Nov 2007, 12:40
he better be, because we just drafted a small and a medium :thumbsu:
To add to the plethora of smalls and mediums already on our list :rolleyes:
ssfc0203
24 Nov 2007, 12:51
whats the latest count? like, 7?
whats the latest count? like, 7?
Before the draft we have 16 players that are 184cm and below (I just checked on footywire), now we have 19 players on the senior list that is shorter than 184cm.
Corpuscles
24 Nov 2007, 16:18
Before the draft we have 16 players that are 184cm and below (I just checked on footywire), now we have 19 players on the senior list that is shorter than 184cm.
The alarming thing is how many 190cm+ (or who play tall) who are keys
who probably will retire in the next 3 years.
Simply far too many small /mediums... the prob exposed at Bulldogs.
These days under 180cm you have to be exceptionally good anyway but must have spine in place first
EatBig Australia
26 Nov 2007, 13:12
time for some good news
in today's swans 3km time trial, nick fosdike was first in a tick under 10 minutes, ryan o'keefe was second in 10m 06, outsprinting BRENDAN MURPHY in the last bit, murphy finishing in 10.12....coaches delighted with murphy's fitness and athletic ability, and reports say if he continues with his progress over xmess, he might be given a chance to play pre-season
this is surely a fantastic start for an 18YO 195cm kid at this stage
That is sensational news. I am excited. Hope he gets a crack pre-season.