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I so hope carlton take cotchin!!!
I have faith in aiske and hampson so i hope we take cotchin and have the best midfield in the league. Matthew seems to be more one of those players we dont need as he will not really fit in as i think 200 cm is to small these days to ruck. I would rather another freak mid and have judd, stevens , murphy , gibbs and cotchin in the mid dominating.!!!!:thumbsu:
The media have started their spin for the week in an attempt to sell papers... they've now cast doubt in people's minds where a week ago it was a fate accompli Kreuzer would be a Blue.
Oh well gives us something to talk about for the week.
bloods01
17 Nov 2007, 14:23
I so hope carlton take cotchin!!!
I have faith in aiske and hampson so i hope we take cotchin and have the best midfield in the league. Matthew seems to be more one of those players we dont need as he will not really fit in as i think 200 cm is to small these days to ruck. I would rather another freak mid and have judd, stevens , murphy , gibbs and cotchin in the mid dominating.!!!!:thumbsu:
I think you might be in the minority with that view. Kruezer will go at number one. It's difficult distinguishing between players. One is a tall ruckman / forward whilst the other is a gun midfielder. Tought choice to make but as I said I think that Kruezer is a monty to go at one.
I so hope carlton take cotchin!!!
I have faith in aiske and hampson so i hope we take cotchin and have the best midfield in the league. Matthew seems to be more one of those players we dont need as he will not really fit in as i think 200 cm is to small these days to ruck. I would rather another freak mid and have judd, stevens , murphy , gibbs and cotchin in the mid dominating.!!!!:thumbsu:
You cant pass up on a kid who is 199cm and can PLAY at CHF, CHB, any position.
Marc Shmurf 3
17 Nov 2007, 14:57
You cant pass up on a kid who is 199cm and can PLAY at CHF, CHB, any position.
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XXX KINGS
17 Nov 2007, 15:04
I hope we take Megan Gale :)
Donstuie
17 Nov 2007, 15:08
I so hope carlton take cotchin!!!
I have faith in aiske and hampson so i hope we take cotchin and have the best midfield in the league. Matthew seems to be more one of those players we dont need as he will not really fit in as i think 200 cm is to small these days to ruck. I would rather another freak mid and have judd, stevens , murphy , gibbs and cotchin in the mid dominating.!!!!:thumbsu:
a)
Question: We have a midfield consisting of
Judd
Stevens
Murphy
Gibbs
Carazzo
Simpson
Hadley
Walker
Scotland
Bentick
Grigg
Russell
Jackson
Wiggins/Bannister (for special occasions)
In which position would you place Cotchin?
b)
Another question: There's a guy in the draft who is 2 meters tall, great vertical leap, can run as fast and as long as most midfielders, and can essentially play anywhere on the field and thus fill any gap that we may have from week to week. Now where would we put this guy? How about Ruck, or CHF, or CHB, or ruck-rover, or HFF.
Tell me then why option a) is better.
Marc Shmurf 3
17 Nov 2007, 15:21
a)
Question: We have a midfield consisting of
Judd
Stevens
Murphy
Gibbs
Carazzo
Simpson
Hadley
Walker
Scotland
Bentick
Grigg
Russell
Jackson
Wiggins/Bannister (for special occasions)
In which position would you place Cotchin?
b)
Another question: There's a guy in the draft who is 2 meters tall, great vertical leap, can run as fast and as long as most midfielders, and can essentially play anywhere on the field and thus fill any gap that we may have from week to week. Now where would we put this guy? How about Ruck, or CHF, or CHB, or ruck-rover, or HFF.
Tell me then why option a) is better.
a) use west coast as an example, their midfield won them a GF with a rubbish forward line and not so bad backline
b) he has never played CHF, CHB, HFF, he was a ruckman 1st and a resting FP 2nd. Dont assume that because he can run all day, speed like a midfielder and is 200 he can play anywhere.
Donstuie
17 Nov 2007, 15:41
a) use west coast as an example, their midfield won them a GF with a rubbish forward line and not so bad backline
b) he has never played CHF, CHB, HFF, he was a ruckman 1st and a resting FP 2nd. Dont assume that because he can run all day, speed like a midfielder and is 200 he can play anywhere.
a) West Coast also have the best ruckman in the league to give those guys first use of the ball. We have hAckland and a couple of kids who are VERY raw and have only been playing the game a short time. They also have a good balance of small midfield types and strong bodies to rotate through the middle, whereas we don't have those same resources in the strong-bodies department. But what we do have is more than enough midfielders to have a similar rotation. I don't recall WC having 13-14 small midfielders on the field every week.
Which brings me onto the Bulldogs. A team that has invested heavily on speed, but have left themselves in the cold through no KPPs (even players like Gilbee and Murphy aren't really KPPs), and thus getting caught out by stronger teams in 07. They thought that they could just recruit speedy athletes and run the opposition off their feet every week, and only now are they really doing anything about it (getting Hudson and going after Welsh). We need balance.
b) Who's to say he can't be developed to play other positions? The potential is certainly there, and with the right conditioning and training who knows what he can produce.
But again, my question stands. Why go for another small midfielder when we have them in ample supply when there is a standout big man who is regarded as the best player in the draft, and ticks all the boxes for exactly what we're looking for as a team? If we could have a second crack at Gumbleton or Leunberger, should we pass it up?
Why is Cotchin better in general terms, and more importantly, why is he better for our team?
TheGeneral
17 Nov 2007, 15:42
I hope we take Megan Gale :)
Is Megan Gale part Capybara?
XXX KINGS
17 Nov 2007, 16:00
Is Megan Gale part Capybara?
No - I'm not into inbreeding :thumbsu:
No - I'm not into inbreeding :thumbsu:
What is a capybara?
XXX KINGS
17 Nov 2007, 16:14
What is a capybara?
Gomez
windows
17 Nov 2007, 16:27
You cant pass up on a kid who is 199cm and can PLAY at CHF, CHB, any position. He can play CHB? That's not accurate. And he is a long way from a proven CHF IMO. A long way.
windows
17 Nov 2007, 16:37
a)
Question: We have a midfield consisting of
Judd
Stevens
Murphy
Gibbs
Carazzo
Simpson
Hadley
Walker
Scotland
Bentick
Grigg
Russell
Jackson
Wiggins/Bannister (for special occasions)
In which position would you place Cotchin?
b)
Another question: There's a guy in the draft who is 2 meters tall, great vertical leap, can run as fast and as long as most midfielders, and can essentially play anywhere on the field and thus fill any gap that we may have from week to week. Now where would we put this guy? How about Ruck, or CHF, or CHB, or ruck-rover, or HFF.
Tell me then why option a) is better.
That is no more insightful than saying "we have a ruck division of Hampson, Acland, Cloke, and the 2 O'Hailipins, where do you see Kreuzer playing?"
Fact is, of your list above, we have 2 proven A Grade midfielders (Judd and Stevens) 2 we hope become A graders (Gibbs and Murphy), some very very solid contributors (Walker, Simpson, Carrazzo) and then a group of untried or risky (eg: Hadley) players. Nice mix. Not yet outstanding. Might be. Might not be. Thinking differently Stevens will probably drop to B grade within 3 years. Which will leave us with 1 certain top shelfer and 2 hopefully top shelfers. Chances are we will have 2 top shelfers (are we that sure BOTH Gibbs and Murph will be All-Australian? I'm not). And 5 very solid contributors (ie: I expect at least one of the untried/risky group to step up).
I'd like to take Cotchin. I think he will increase the probably we have 3 All Australian style midfielders. He also kicks goals (we don't have a great group of goal kicking midfielders) and he has better skills than all of them. IMO.
windows
17 Nov 2007, 16:44
a) West Coast also have the best ruckman in the league to give those guys first use of the ball. We have hAckland and a couple of kids who are VERY raw and have only been playing the game a short time. They also have a good balance of small midfield types and strong bodies to rotate through the middle, whereas we don't have those same resources in the strong-bodies department. But what we do have is more than enough midfielders to have a similar rotation. I don't recall WC having 13-14 small midfielders on the field every week.
Which brings me onto the Bulldogs. A team that has invested heavily on speed, but have left themselves in the cold through no KPPs (even players like Gilbee and Murphy aren't really KPPs), and thus getting caught out by stronger teams in 07. They thought that they could just recruit speedy athletes and run the opposition off their feet every week, and only now are they really doing anything about it (getting Hudson and going after Welsh). We need balance.
b) Who's to say he can't be developed to play other positions? The potential is certainly there, and with the right conditioning and training who knows what he can produce.
But again, my question stands. Why go for another small midfielder when we have them in ample supply when there is a standout big man who is regarded as the best player in the draft, and ticks all the boxes for exactly what we're looking for as a team? If we could have a second crack at Gumbleton or Leunberger, should we pass it up?
Why is Cotchin better in general terms, and more importantly, why is he better for our team?
Because he dominates games. He is a match winner. Kreuzer is not (IMO). Kreuzer is a wonderfully consistent highly competitive, go all day ruckman. Who can pinch hit out of a forward pocket. He can crumb his own ruck contest and run with the midfielders. BUT. I don't see him as a match winner.
I love this continual referal to Cox as if Judd etc rely on him. IF that logic is correct, then he is in for one god awful year regardless of whether we pick Kreuzer. Right? I don't think so. Stevens was terrific for us when he wasn't injured or being mauled by a tagger. He didn't need a ruckman for that. Ruckmen are more valuable if they can get the ball around the ground. They are useless if they get thrashed in ruck contests. That's all. But once you pit a 200cm jumper against another more often than not it is difficult to determine who is getting the upper hand in hitouts. Check the hitouts to advantage stats. Hitouts are often over-rated I think. The only time any side gets dominated in hitouts is if they have a midget (like we do) rucking. Those days are over. Hampson will not be dominated. At all. By anyone.
Cotchin is a match winner. That's why I'd prefer him.
AndyWalkersGirl
17 Nov 2007, 16:54
That is no more insightful than saying "we have a ruck division of Hampson, Acland, Cloke, and the 2 O'Hailipins, where do you see Kreuzer playing?"
Fact is, of your list above, we have 2 proven A Grade midfielders (Judd and Stevens) 2 we hope become A graders (Gibbs and Murphy), some very very solid contributors (Walker, Simpson, Carrazzo) and then a group of untried or risky (eg: Hadley) players. Nice mix. Not yet outstanding. Might be. Might not be. Thinking differently Stevens will probably drop to B grade within 3 years. Which will leave us with 1 certain top shelfer and 2 hopefully top shelfers. Chances are we will have 2 top shelfers (are we that sure BOTH Gibbs and Murph will be All-Australian? I'm not). And 5 very solid contributors (ie: I expect at least one of the untried/risky group to step up).
I'd like to take Cotchin. I think he will increase the probably we have 3 All Australian style midfielders. He also kicks goals (we don't have a great group of goal kicking midfielders) and he has better skills than all of them. IMO.
Interesting comments Windows - i have been 50/50 for a while on these two, however I continue to lean in favour of Cotchin. I'd rather have Judd the 2nd, over a supposed Cox the 2nd;)
bLuEbOy1984
17 Nov 2007, 18:48
cotchin all the way
blues4flag
17 Nov 2007, 19:13
I so hope carlton take cotchin!!!
I have faith in aiske and hampson so i hope we take cotchin and have the best midfield in the league. Matthew seems to be more one of those players we dont need as he will not really fit in as i think 200 cm is to small these days to ruck. I would rather another freak mid and have judd, stevens , murphy , gibbs and cotchin in the mid dominating.!!!!:thumbsu:
Ah well, I guess I'll go on the phone and inform the likes and Lade, White, Jolly and Charman that they should look at another occupation, as they're not tall enough to play ruck decently. :rolleyes:
TheGeneral
17 Nov 2007, 19:27
Because he dominates games. He is a match winner. Kreuzer is not (IMO). Kreuzer is a wonderfully consistent highly competitive, go all day ruckman. Who can pinch hit out of a forward pocket. He can crumb his own ruck contest and run with the midfielders. BUT. I don't see him as a match winner.
Why was Blake dropped for King if ruckmen are not important?
That's an interesting argument when our only rucks are two projects in Aisake and Hampson.
Kreuzer is a lock.
I love this continual referal to Cox as if Judd etc rely on him. IF that logic is correct, then he is in for one god awful year regardless of whether we pick Kreuzer. Right? I don't think so. Stevens was terrific for us when he wasn't injured or being mauled by a tagger. He didn't need a ruckman for that. Ruckmen are more valuable if they can get the ball around the ground. They are useless if they get thrashed in ruck contests. That's all. But once you pit a 200cm jumper against another more often than not it is difficult to determine who is getting the upper hand in hitouts. Check the hitouts to advantage stats. Hitouts are often over-rated I think. The only time any side gets dominated in hitouts is if they have a midget (like we do) rucking. Those days are over. Hampson will not be dominated. At all. By anyone.
And you wouldn't take Leuenberger ahead of Cotchin in this draft? :eek: :rolleyes:
Was Allan useless in his AA year when he constantly pushed forward to kick goals and pushed back to stop goals?
In the final when Kreuzer hurt himself, he ran from the centre to CHB in a blink of an eye to drop back into the hole to cut off a forward thrust.
He will do that at AFL level.
Cotchin is a match winner. That's why I'd prefer him.
Didn't Kreuzer carry them through a good part of the year because Cotchin only played seven games?
Fairley
17 Nov 2007, 19:30
a)
Question: We have a midfield consisting of
Judd
Stevens
Murphy
Gibbs
Carazzo
Simpson
Hadley
Walker
Scotland
Bentick
Grigg
Russell
Jackson
Wiggins/Bannister
I don't exactly see how you can talk about having
Bentick
Grigg
Russell
Jackson
Wiggins/Bannister
in your dominating midfield as these players would not make the best 22 in basically every other team
micky_11
17 Nov 2007, 20:00
Just my oppinion as a roos supporter.
Carlton cant afford to draft Cotchin, you have so many quality midfielders at your club: Judd, Stevens, Hadley, Scotland, Murphy, Gibbs, Grigg, Carazzo.
But your backline is shot, you have waite, but when ever your foward line is strugling he gets moved their.
You foward line has 2 decent players, Fev and Fisher, you got rid of your up and coming KP Foward to recieve Judd which is fine.
You are desperately in need of a Key Back, and Key Foward. I believe Hampson and Cloke can cope for a while.
If you draft Kruezuer it will be your best option out of him and cotchin, but really you needed a draft like last years where their were such good KPP like Gumbleton and Hansen and then Thorp, Reid and the Brown twins.
Hopefully a decent CHB falls to your 2nd pick
windows
17 Nov 2007, 20:07
Why was Blake dropped for King if ruckmen are not important?
That's an interesting argument when our only rucks are two projects in Aisake and Hampson.
Kreuzer is a lock.
And you wouldn't take Leuenberger ahead of Cotchin in this draft? :eek: :rolleyes:
Was Allan useless in his AA year when he constantly pushed forward to kick goals and pushed back to stop goals?
In the final when Kreuzer hurt himself, he ran from the centre to CHB in a blink of an eye to drop back into the hole to cut off a forward thrust.
He will do that at AFL level.
Didn't Kreuzer carry them through a good part of the year because Cotchin only played seven games?
You bring up Allan as a good example? Really? Wow he is one of MY examples of why not to draft the ruckman if it is close between 2 players. He took a long time to develop, had a VERY short time at his peak, then became injury prone and dropped off badly. Allan's career was ordinary. You have his peak year as evidence. I cite his career. If Kreuzer's career maps Allan's and we draft him I will be MASSIVELY disappointed. You want me to wait 5 years for his 3 good years and then be annoyed with him when he starts dropping off? Josh Fraser anyone?
Your Blake vs. King argument is plain silly. That has nothing to do with draft selection. It has everything to do with picking the best team on the day. The same would apply for every position on the ground. But in King you give another example of a broken down ruckman. Keep ignoring the evidence at your peril. It just so happened that on GF day he was finally fit.
I think you have to be very careful taking a ruckman so early when other "lock" options are available. The game wears them down. You bring up King. Allan. Both had injury riddled careers. Both at Kreuzer's age were VERY promising. The game breaks them down.
You want to take a really good young ruckman when all the evidence suggests he will be no better as a player than Cotchin. If their TOP LEVEL output is the same then you can take this to the bank: Cotchin will have MORE TIME AT HIS TOP. You want to take Kreuzer because we need him. St. Kilda needed Kosi too. West Coast needed Gardiner. Bring up Lade as you may. Very average career as a ruckman until now. Cox? 3 great years. So far. Injuries are starting to creep in. Let's see how long he lasts at that peak. At his stage of career Gardiner was looking fantastic too. Primus? Knee after knee? Everitt is the only exception of recent times. Absolute top shelf and lasted a long time.
Those who choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it. I am merely trying to point this out: many want to take Kreuzer purely because we need a ruckman (ie: the only reason why people prefer him to Cotchin). But then those same people ignore what often happens to ruckmen. It isn't random. It isn't bad luck. It isn't even frigging unlikely. Yes we need a ruckman. But I'd rather not over-capitalise on it by giving up number 1 when a gun like Cotchin is available.
SS_Fury
17 Nov 2007, 20:17
there are many more than handy midfielders every draft than there are QUALITY KPP players....it makes sense to take the latter
gandaal
17 Nov 2007, 20:20
there are many more than handy midfielders every draft than there are QUALITY KPP players....it makes sense to take the latter
Indeed. I'd take Luke Livingston over Daniel Kerr any day of the week.
The whole 'quality midfielders are a dime a dozen' argument is a complete myth.
Kruezer worries me. I'm no expert but to me his strengths in the U18s won't make get help make him a standout at AFL level while his weaknesses will be exploited if he's going to play as a AFL ruckman.
SS_Fury
17 Nov 2007, 20:23
Kerr is the exception to the rule....you dont know just how good cotchin will be, however Kruezer is a safer bet.
gandaal
17 Nov 2007, 20:33
Kerr is the exception to the rule....you dont know just how good cotchin will be, however Kruezer is a safer bet.
There are no exceptions to the rule. There are no rules for that matter.
Who says Kruezer is a safer bet?
SS_Fury
17 Nov 2007, 20:37
because cotchin has been tagged out of games completely...Kruezer has been a dominant ruckman, KPP....thus = safer
Its just my opinion, quality talls are hard to come by....the livingston analogy is a bad one.
Blues_Man
17 Nov 2007, 20:41
You bring up Allan as a good example? Really? Wow he is one of MY examples of why not to draft the ruckman if it is close between 2 players. He took a long time to develop, had a VERY short time at his peak, then became injury prone and dropped off badly. Allan's career was ordinary. You have his peak year as evidence. I cite his career. If Kreuzer's career maps Allan's and we draft him I will be MASSIVELY disappointed. You want me to wait 5 years for his 3 good years and then be annoyed with him when he starts dropping off? Josh Fraser anyone?
Your Blake vs. King argument is plain silly. That has nothing to do with draft selection. It has everything to do with picking the best team on the day. The same would apply for every position on the ground. But in King you give another example of a broken down ruckman. Keep ignoring the evidence at your peril. It just so happened that on GF day he was finally fit.
I think you have to be very careful taking a ruckman so early when other "lock" options are available. The game wears them down. You bring up King. Allan. Both had injury riddled careers. Both at Kreuzer's age were VERY promising. The game breaks them down.
You want to take a really good young ruckman when all the evidence suggests he will be no better as a player than Cotchin. If their TOP LEVEL output is the same then you can take this to the bank: Cotchin will have MORE TIME AT HIS TOP. You want to take Kreuzer because we need him. St. Kilda needed Kosi too. West Coast needed Gardiner. Bring up Lade as you may. Very average career as a ruckman until now. Cox? 3 great years. So far. Injuries are starting to creep in. Let's see how long he lasts at that peak. At his stage of career Gardiner was looking fantastic too. Primus? Knee after knee? Everitt is the only exception of recent times. Absolute top shelf and lasted a long time.
Those who choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it. I am merely trying to point this out: many want to take Kreuzer purely because we need a ruckman (ie: the only reason why people prefer him to Cotchin). But then those same people ignore what often happens to ruckmen. It isn't random. It isn't bad luck. It isn't even frigging unlikely. Yes we need a ruckman. But I'd rather not over-capitalise on it by giving up number 1 when a gun like Cotchin is available.
Are you sure you aren't Mick Malthouse ??? he has moronic ideas about the value of ruckmen as well ....Heres a tip ..if you have 2 players with similar talent levels, one a small midfielder ..the other a big KPP ...you take the big bloke every time .
Who finished the higher in the TAC cup best and fairest ??? I mean if Cotchin is such a matchwinner he must have blitzed it in .
gandaal
17 Nov 2007, 20:58
Are you sure you aren't Mick Malthouse ??? he has moronic ideas about the value of ruckmen as well ....Heres a tip ..if you have 2 players with similar talent levels, one a small midfielder ..the other a big KPP ...you take the big bloke every time .
Who finished the higher in the TAC cup best and fairest ??? I mean if Cotchin is such a matchwinner he must have blitzed it in .
That's an ignorant statement. Not only is Cotchin bottom aged, unlike Kruezer, he also played the majority of his footy for his school.
mediumsizered
17 Nov 2007, 21:10
I think there is little doubt that Carlton will be choosing Kruezer, but I must admit the Josh Fraser scenario makes me feel a little uncomfortable about using a #1 pick on a ruckman (you can probably throw Gardner's limited impact over his entire career into the equation as well).
Fraser was a certainty to be taken at #1 & when you look at the '97 draft you can see why. Pick 2, Haselby, Pick 3, Fiora, Pick 4 Pavlich, Pick 5, Leigh Brown, Pick 6, Cupido, Pick 7, Danny Roach. What concerns me is the possibility that, like Fraser, Kruezer stands out because of the relatively poor quality of the draft pool. This raises the question, where would Kruezer have rated if he was in last year's rich draft pool?
Based on the various write-ups about both Kruezer & Cotchin, there is not much between the 2 of them. Kruezer is probably considered to be marginally ahead in the eyes of many Carlton supporters & perhaps recruiters, because he is a mobile, 199.5cm ruckman (?), which of cause is an area in which we are lacking. Therefore in picking Kruezer ahead of Cotchin are we picking the best available player or choosing for need? The #1 pick should never be used to fulfil a need, it should always be utilised to pick the best available player.
Blue Dawn
17 Nov 2007, 21:30
I'll be VERY surprised if we take Cotchin next week. Big blokes with the athleticism of Cox combined with the attitude of Hamill don't come along very often. Josh Fraser he ain't.;)
Because he dominates games. He is a match winner. Kreuzer is not (IMO). Kreuzer is a wonderfully consistent highly competitive, go all day ruckman. Who can pinch hit out of a forward pocket. He can crumb his own ruck contest and run with the midfielders. BUT. I don't see him as a match winner.
I love this continual referal to Cox as if Judd etc rely on him. IF that logic is correct, then he is in for one god awful year regardless of whether we pick Kreuzer. Right? I don't think so. Stevens was terrific for us when he wasn't injured or being mauled by a tagger. He didn't need a ruckman for that. Ruckmen are more valuable if they can get the ball around the ground. They are useless if they get thrashed in ruck contests. That's all. But once you pit a 200cm jumper against another more often than not it is difficult to determine who is getting the upper hand in hitouts. Check the hitouts to advantage stats. Hitouts are often over-rated I think. The only time any side gets dominated in hitouts is if they have a midget (like we do) rucking. Those days are over. Hampson will not be dominated. At all. By anyone.
Cotchin is a match winner. That's why I'd prefer him.
Thats quite an opinion! How can you shoot a man down for his because he is backing the stand out prospect?? When your reasoning is based on 1 guy who's played 2 games and 1 who hasn't been drafted yet!
Not sayin who we should pick cause they will both make our team better, Gale v Hawkins. And i'd love to see the Hammer dominate cause he could be special. But i havn't seen him beat an opponent yet so bit early to say he will never be be dominated?
Is Hampson's extra 1.3cm height and 2kg LESS weight, with 2 years of playing the sport, gonna dominate a younger more proven natural player like a still growing, heavier, polished Kruezer??
My two favorite players are the irish boys! can't wait for Aisake, but mate, we can't expect him to take first ruck and do it well for another 2-3.
To compare lists of rucks and mids was silly. And to compare their hopeful AA selection just doesn't add up. Gibbs and murph have both played better, more consistent football over the last 12 months and would be way ahead for selection than anything we have rucking on our list! I would expect a developed Kruezer to be a better option than Ackland or cloke. That would leave us with three hopeful rucks! None proven!!
A few teams go all the way without forwards but name the last team to win a flag without a ruck?
Donstuie
17 Nov 2007, 22:06
That's an ignorant statement. Not only is Cotchin bottom aged, unlike Kruezer, he also played the majority of his footy for his school.
Then how can you categorically say he is a matchwinner if this has been the standard he's played against most of his time?
gandaal
17 Nov 2007, 22:58
Then how can you categorically say he is a matchwinner if this has been the standard he's played against most of his time?
I never said that. That was the opinion of another poster.
Where's Gilly when you need him? :thumbsu:
dp3[WLD]
17 Nov 2007, 23:39
IMO of a outsider
i believe you must take Kruezer given his performances in this year he has been proven worthy of the hype. Looking towards the future as well, you need someone like him.
Cotchin however is an awesome player but really, you dont really need him since you have
-JUDD -STEVENS
-GIBBS -MURPHY
-CARRAZO (feel free to add more)
as your prime on ballers you dont really need cotchin.
But however, which way you go, i am sure you will get value for money.
BryceGibbs#4
18 Nov 2007, 09:59
I think it was simple case of taking:
Leunberger and Cotchin or
Gibbs and Kreuzer
we're going with 2nd option.
The media this morning has gone Cotchin mad.... both the sun and the Age are raving how they think Cotchin is no1.... well it will sell papers.
I think for us we should take Kreuzer.. we've already drafted two skilled midfielders in this draft (Judd, Hadley) and even if Kreuzer is in the end ends up not being as good as Cotchin... the benefits of having a 2m+ tall monster with pace is exceptionally valuable. We'll have players like Gibbs, Murphy, Judd who will be better or close to as good as Cotchin... but we have no proven as yet players better than Kreuzer in his category.
The media is making it tough but Kreuzer for mine!
I so hope carlton take cotchin!!!
I have faith in aiske and hampson so i hope we take cotchin and have the best midfield in the league. Matthew seems to be more one of those players we dont need as he will not really fit in as i think 200 cm is to small these days to ruck. I would rather another freak mid and have judd, stevens , murphy , gibbs and cotchin in the mid dominating.!!!!:thumbsu:
I've swung back onto Cotchin over the past couple of days as well. My reasoning is this:
We have Cloke and Ackland that are ready to go round 1, as is Hampson. Aisake shows alot of promise, and has been elevated onto the senior list. We also have Jacobs on the rookie list as well. We could also use Carlos there as well, and with another 12 months of development, guys like Austin, Jamison and Bower could all become permanent members of the backline.
So, for 2009, our back 6 could be: Anderson, Austin, Jamison, Bower, Thornton and Scotland.
This gives us the option of using Carlos in the ruck, with either Cloke, Hampson or Aisake. Or, we keep Carlos in the back half, and use Cloke and Hampson.
This way, we get Cotchin, and our midfield would be unbeatable in a couple of years time. Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Stevens, Grigg, Walker, Carrazzo and Cotchin. Unbeatable.
Finally, we can take a developing ruckman at #36 or #46. Someone like a Dawson Simpson, Andrew Renton or Dean Putt.
dp3[WLD]
18 Nov 2007, 10:15
dont forget
Gibbs will be the eqivalent of Cousins and Judd
;9494001']dont forget
Gibbs will be the eqivalent of Cousins and Judd
And Murphy has been compared to Crawford/Cousins as well.
And, Cotchin has been compared to Gary Ablett Jnr.
DamianBis
18 Nov 2007, 10:47
yeah. i've been compared to Gary Ablett Jnr. as well. Except they said that i was the exact opposite. lol
yeah. i've been compared to Gary Ablett Jnr. as well. Except they said that i was the exact opposite. lol
LOLz:thumbsu:
thylacine60
18 Nov 2007, 11:07
Try to look a little further ahead than the point of your noses. We will more than likely finish bottom 4 next season and unless the AFL remove draft picks from us on Monday (joking but people would love to see it) I'm guessing there will be a handy mid-fielder available to us. Doubt there will be a handy 200 cm, mobile KPP there though.
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 11:13
The media this morning has gone Cotchin mad.... both the sun and the Age are raving how they think Cotchin is no1.... well it will sell papers.
I think for us we should take Kreuzer.. we've already drafted two skilled midfielders in this draft (Judd, Hadley) and even if Kreuzer is in the end ends up not being as good as Cotchin... the benefits of having a 2m+ tall monster with pace is exceptionally valuable. We'll have players like Gibbs, Murphy, Judd who will be better or close to as good as Cotchin... but we have no proven as yet players better than Kreuzer in his category.
The media is making it tough but Kreuzer for mine!
:confused:
What would the media have to do with it?
Try to look a little further ahead than the point of your noses. We will more than likely finish bottom 4 next season and unless the AFL remove draft picks from us on Monday (joking but people would love to see it) I'm guessing there will be a handy mid-fielder available to us. Doubt there will be a handy 200 cm, mobile KPP there though.
Good point mate, well probally get a top 10 pick next year. I think pick 7 or 10. There is no reason why we shouldn't get a quality mid next yr. or example this draft in 2008. We would be looking at palmer, masten or myers. WOuld love 1 of them at the blues
EddieBettsIsAChamp
18 Nov 2007, 11:19
I just could never bring myself to ever take Cotchin over Kreuzer, alot of it due to media attention, but the other part of it is just the shear fact of size, and we definately need a ruckman, so if we can get a ruckman who is also handy around the park, it's just too much of a temptation to pass up.
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 11:27
Try to look a little further ahead than the point of your noses. We will more than likely finish bottom 4 next season and unless the AFL remove draft picks from us on Monday (joking but people would love to see it) I'm guessing there will be a handy mid-fielder available to us. Doubt there will be a handy 200 cm, mobile KPP there though.
Funny, and here I was thinking that it was the Kruezer supporters who weren't looking further ahead than the point of their noses. We lack a senior ruckman right now, and that's the reason why many want Kruezer as they're delusional enough to believe that Kruezer will walk straight into first ruck. Yet we have Hampson and Aisake developing, both showing that they have plenty of potential, and Jacobs on the rookie list so imo our ruck stocks are looking pretty bright. We don't NEED a ruck draftee at this stage.
And the idea that a quality mid will be available again with a latter pick next year is ridiculous. How many gun match winning midfielders are out there that can change a game? Not many, they are as rare as ruckman. Pick 10 in this draft will get you Masten who'll get plenty of the ball but will never rip a game apart. cotchin on the other hand...
If you look at all the quality mids over the last few years 80% of them we're drafted very very early. If you look at all the quality ruckman over the last few years 80% of them were drafted through the rookie draft.
Try to look a little further ahead than the point of your noses. We will more than likely finish bottom 4 next season and unless the AFL remove draft picks from us on Monday (joking but people would love to see it) I'm guessing there will be a handy mid-fielder available to us. Doubt there will be a handy 200 cm, mobile KPP there though.
Nicholas Naitanui. Absolute freak from the West.
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 11:29
I just could never bring myself to ever take Cotchin over Kreuzer, alot of it due to media attention, but the other part of it is just the shear fact of size, and we definately need a ruckman, so if we can get a ruckman who is also handy around the park, it's just too much of a temptation to pass up.
Only an idiot picks for need with pick 1 of the AFL draft.
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 11:30
Nicholas Naitanui. Absolute freak from the West.
Yep, absolutely thrashed Kruezer during the U18 champs. It was disappointing to see.
Only an idiot picks for need with pick 1 of the AFL draft.
I've finally settled on Cotchin for the draft. Funnily enough, Gilly has now gone over the Kreuzer.
Yep, absolutely thrashed Kruezer during the U18 champs. It was disappointing to see.
I wouldn't have said that he thrashed Kreuzer mate. He did jump over the top of him a few times in the ruck, but Kreuzer was still very very good for the Vics that day. Easily their best player.
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 11:33
I've finally settled on Cotchin for the draft. Funnily enough, Gilly has now gone over the Kreuzer.
I think he just likes mocking the media too much to agree with them. ;)
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 11:39
I wouldn't have said that he thrashed Kreuzer mate. He did jump over the top of him a few times in the ruck, but Kreuzer was still very very good for the Vics that day. Easily their best player.
It was a poor game all round for the Vics that day but Kruezer was the best. One of the best things about Kruezer is that no matter what he'll always give 100% effort and will run hard all game long no matter what the situation. IMO those assets are icing on the cake more than the cake itself when determining who to recruit which is why I don't rate Kruezer as highly as some, although I'll admit that my opinion doesn't really count for much. For mine Naitanui looked the far better prospect with his leap, upside (relative to his time in the game), and his mobility around the ground. Too bad the guy is so short (for a ruckman), he's around 196cm right?
I think he just likes mocking the media too much to agree with them. ;)
No. I was talking to him yesterday, and he is well and truly on Kreuzer. I couldn't even convince him.
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 11:42
No. I was talking to him yesterday, and he is well and truly on Kreuzer. I couldn't even convince him.
What made him change his mind?
It was a poor game all round for the Vics that day but Kruezer was the best. One of the best things about Kruezer is that no matter what he'll always give 100% effort and will run hard all game long no matter what the situation. IMO those assets are icing on the cake more than the cake itself when determining who to recruit which is why I don't rate Kruezer as highly as some, although I'll admit that my opinion doesn't really count for much. For mine Naitanui looked the far better prospect with his leap, upside (relative to his time in the game), and his mobility around the ground. Too bad the guy is so short (for a ruckman), he's around 196cm right?
196cm is about right, but with his leap, I wouldn't see that as a problem at AFL level. Jeff White is about the same height, and Natanui would have a much bigger vertical leap than him.
I'm very much looking forward to see how he has developed at next years carnival.
What made him change his mind?
You'll have to ask him that. He just thinks that Kreuzer is the better choice at #1.
EddieBettsIsAChamp
18 Nov 2007, 11:53
Only an idiot picks for need with pick 1 of the AFL draft.
In this case, we get both. We get a star player AND a ruckman. With Cotchin we'd only get a star player and we allready have plenty of developing midfielders.
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 11:56
In this case, we get both. We get a star player AND a ruckman. With Cotchin we'd only get a star player and we allready have plenty of developing midfielders.
Who?
Grigg and...?
We have plenty of developing ruckman.
What made him change his mind?
He still loves Cotch, but I guess it became a list management issue.
You should never pick for need with early picks but when the talent is basically a draw, then you can look at deficiencies. I have them rated fairly equal so for me it's Kreuzer because we don't have 1 bonafide ruckman on the list and I strongly believe that he will be it. We have Hampson who has loads of potential but still has plenty of learning in front of him. Aisake has the size but looks more a utility fwd/bck to me. Jacobs who I don't believe will make it and the 2 undersized ruckman in Cloke and Ackland.
I don't need to go into the mid-field as everyone knows about our new signings and our kids. Cotchin would be a fine addition to this but he is not as required as a dominant bigman is.
When comparing the 2 players people also need to remember the difference in the positions the 2 boys play. Cotchin will be a great mid-fielder but is he something that you look at most lists and say that they don't have a mid with similar gifts? I can guarantee you that not many teams have a ruckman of Kreuzers ability. What he brings to the table is rare for his position. Most ruckman are content to get there hands on the ball and then do a bit of blocking work. Kreuzer will do that but the he will run and become an option for the very next possesion and then just keep motoring on to contest after contest doing the same thing. I've never seen a ruckman who desires to tackle in the way Kreuzer does, he's a true predator with or without the ball. How many ruckman who spend about 80% of the game on the ball average 2 goals a game?
It's a can't miss pick next week and I just hope whoever WH decides on next week is looked at as our best option and that there is no bitching and moaning from anyone, as either boy would be another brilliant addition to our exciting crop of youngsters.
Who?
Grigg and...?
We have plenty of developing ruckman.
What are Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson and Walker, chop liver ?
Jimthegreat
18 Nov 2007, 12:31
Looks like it's all over. Seems we're taking Kreuzer
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22776187-23211,00.html
windows
18 Nov 2007, 12:49
Agree. Seems to be all over based on the last bit. :(
EddieBettsIsAChamp
18 Nov 2007, 13:16
Who?
Grigg and...?
We have plenty of developing ruckman.
Gibbs, Murphy, Carrazzo, Walker. They are all still quite young and developing and combined with Judd, Stevens and Scotto, I don't think we need to pack our midfield any more where as compared to our developing Ruckman, only 2 of them to me seem like they are going to make any significant difference if any to our team, Hampson and Cloke. Add Kreuzer in with them and we've got an excellent Ruck rotation going on.
Blue Dawn
18 Nov 2007, 13:42
Nicholas Naitanui. Absolute freak from the West.
Correct, but because he's such a freak he, at this VERY early stage, is likely to go top 3. We won't be getting a top 3 pick next year. Hopefully we won't see a pick before 6 or 7.:thumbsu:
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 14:45
What are Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson and Walker, chop liver ?
They are already full fleged members of the team. Who are we developing to grow into a midfield role? We have Grigg, possibly Anderson, and....?
We've go three rucks developing for a ruck role and two, maybe three, midfielders developing. You need 14-16 midfielders. You need two ruckman. You do the math and come back to me with an answer as to why our list is so unbalanced.
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 14:49
Looks like it's all over. Seems we're taking Kreuzer
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22776187-23211,00.html
Speculation. We're having a meeting about the draft, the media has been declaring Kruezer the definate number 1 pick for months therefore we must be confirming Kruezer right?
If Hughes goes around telling HS media hacks who we're drafting before the draft I'll eat my shoes.
Jimthegreat
18 Nov 2007, 15:00
Speculation. We're having a meeting about the draft, the media has been declaring Kruezer the definate number 1 pick for months therefore we must be confirming Kruezer right?
If Hughes goes around telling HS media hacks who we're drafting before the draft I'll eat my shoes.Like anything, there's leaks. And they certainly can leak from Carlton! The media usually find out these things in advance and when they "declare" something they're pretty right most times. I'd imagine we'd made up our minds a while ago so the selection won't be any surprise. Not as if we'd leave that decision to the last week. It's not as if we have a great need to hide it anyway. We have the no.1 pick so it doesn't really matter who knows. Depends on the agenda too.
They are already full fleged members of the team. Who are we developing to grow into a midfield role? We have Grigg, possibly Anderson, and....?
We've go three rucks developing for a ruck role and two, maybe three, midfielders developing. You need 14-16 midfielders. You need two ruckman. You do the math and come back to me with an answer as to why our list is so unbalanced.
14-16 midfielders! Are we to field a team of midgets next year.
You are still developing players in the seniors even if they play week in week out. We need 2 ruckmen yep, who are our gun, can't miss, bluechip ruckmen?
Carson_Kressley
18 Nov 2007, 15:49
Kreuzer will be a blue. we got enough midfielders to be honest and if we wanted Cotchins so bad why did we get Judd. Kreuzer is a nessessity at the club.
blueheart
18 Nov 2007, 16:09
They are already full fleged members of the team. Who are we developing to grow into a midfield role? We have Grigg, possibly Anderson, and....?
We've go three rucks developing for a ruck role and two, maybe three, midfielders developing. You need 14-16 midfielders. You need two ruckman. You do the math and come back to me with an answer as to why our list is so unbalanced.
Have to disagree. IMHO a midfield rotation next year of Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Walker, Carrazzo, Bentick, Hadley, Russell, Blackwell, Grigg, Scotland, Houlihan, Jackson and even Betts can ply short stints in the midfield as opposed to Ackland ( gap filler ), Hampson ( still raw, likely to make it but not 100%), Cloke ( another shoulder reco from career over plus immobile around the ground), Aisake ( hasn't even played a game yet but some people on here already have him as a gun ruck:(), plus Jacobs ( unlikely to make it).
That's 16 who could easily rotate through the midfield against 5 ruckmen who at present who are projects and nothing more at this stage.
There is no guarantee any of those rucks will definately make it.
Now if Kruezer and Cotchin are rated on par ( even though Kruezer won the Morrish medal plus his B&F for the knights, then it's simple:
Selection 1 Carlton, player 114064 Matthew Kruezer.....
AndyWalkersGirl
18 Nov 2007, 16:51
Kreuzer will be a blue. we got enough midfielders to be honest and if we wanted Cotchins so bad why did we get Judd. Kreuzer is a nessessity at the club.
Because two is better than one?:rolleyes:
Is there a limit on how many good midfielders a team can have? We got Judd, so is that all we need?:eek:
snowballs
18 Nov 2007, 18:38
Because two is better than one?:rolleyes:
Is there a limit on how many good midfielders a team can have? We got Judd, so is that all we need?:eek:
yes, plz u cant b serious another mid how boring if we take cotchin ill off me self
i go 2 skool with big K, lmao and yes im very biest:D
SS_Fury
18 Nov 2007, 18:42
yes, plz u cant b serious another mid how boring if we take cotchin ill off me self
i go 2 skool with big K, lmao and yes im very biest:D
and how is school working out for you? :rolleyes:
Jimthegreat
18 Nov 2007, 19:05
Because two is better than one?:rolleyes:
Is there a limit on how many good midfielders a team can have? We got Judd, so is that all we need?:eek:Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Walker, Carrazzo, Scotland, Houlihan, Jackson, Bentick, Hadley, Russell, Blackwell, Grigg. That'll keep us going for a year. Then we look at our rucks.......what rucks. Then we just lost two talls. ou have to draft and develop them at some time as, unlike a midfielder, they'll take a few years to physically develop.
bonzaburgers
18 Nov 2007, 19:14
a) use west coast as an example, their midfield won them a GF with a rubbish forward line and not so bad backline
b) he has never played CHF, CHB, HFF, he was a ruckman 1st and a resting FP 2nd. Dont assume that because he can run all day, speed like a midfielder and is 200 he can play anywhere.
they had cox hitting it down to there midfielders he cained jolly and doyal ruckman win preureships not midfielders look at geelong ottens king blake west coast seaby cox sydney jolly ball brisbane charman keating mc donald port lade brogan
i beg to differ you need ruckman kruzer provides a ruckman
JavaBlue
18 Nov 2007, 19:15
14-16 midfielders! Are we to field a team of midgets next year.
Perhaps you need to update yourself on the modern game. Nowadays anyone who's not a key positional player or a ruckman is a midfielder type. We currently have about 20 mid types on our list which is about eight short of what would be considered a balanced list. Have a look at the Cats in the GF and comment on their team of 'midgets'. Even in past eras an extended set of classy mids could wreak havoc - take a trip down memory lane and check out our mosquito power 1979-82.
We have 16 talls on our list which number-wise is pretty spot on although we aren't really sure how some of those figure in our plans in terms of position and ability. We have more ruckmen than we need and one of them will go at the end of next season - possibly two if we recruit Kreuzer. And we still remain uncertain about who will step up and play key position back and forward.
People keep saying we have the midfield covered but if we recruit Cotchin and he turns out to be a classy half forward or he plays on-ball and pushes Stevens or Gibbs into half forward roles, we will be a better and more balanced team for it. Getting a good mid type has a considerable knock-on effect plus there's a wide variety of positions they can play - from back pocket to forward pocket. You don't get that with rucks - they either make it as ruckman or they're out.
There's a lot of talk about Kreuzer playing CHF. While Kreuzer is still young and could learn, coaches have been trying to turn ruckman into key forwards since the game began and I can't remember any that have succeeded long term. Playing him CHF also negates, to a certain extent, his enormous tank and ability to get from contest to contest. Still, a creative coach could find ways around this.
Both Kreuzer and Cotchin will add balance to our squad simply because we're still a season or two away from achieving balance.
Correct, but because he's such a freak he, at this VERY early stage, is likely to go top 3. We won't be getting a top 3 pick next year. Hopefully we won't see a pick before 6 or 7.:thumbsu:
He'll be top 3 next year, along with Michael Hurley and Daniel Rich. Next years top 10-15 will be very strong.
Blues_Man
18 Nov 2007, 20:14
We lost a KPP ...and not just any KPP, the bloke was touted as the future of our football club ...we gained THE best midfielder in the comp .
We will replace the KPP with Kruezer ...mark it down .
Perhaps you need to update yourself on the modern game. Nowadays anyone who's not a key positional player or a ruckman is a midfielder type. We currently have about 20 mid types on our list which is about eight short of what would be considered a balanced list. Have a look at the Cats in the GF and comment on their team of 'midgets'. Even in past eras an extended set of classy mids could wreak havoc - take a trip down memory lane and check out our mosquito power 1979-82.
We have 16 talls on our list which number-wise is pretty spot on although we aren't really sure how some of those figure in our plans in terms of position and ability. We have more ruckmen than we need and one of them will go at the end of next season - possibly two if we recruit Kreuzer. And we still remain uncertain about who will step up and play key position back and forward.
People keep saying we have the midfield covered but if we recruit Cotchin and he turns out to be a classy half forward or he plays on-ball and pushes Stevens or Gibbs into half forward roles, we will be a better and more balanced team for it. Getting a good mid type has a considerable knock-on effect plus there's a wide variety of positions they can play - from back pocket to forward pocket. You don't get that with rucks - they either make it as ruckman or they're out.
There's a lot of talk about Kreuzer playing CHF. While Kreuzer is still young and could learn, coaches have been trying to turn ruckman into key forwards since the game began and I can't remember any that have succeeded long term. Playing him CHF also negates, to a certain extent, his enormous tank and ability to get from contest to contest. Still, a creative coach could find ways around this.
Both Kreuzer and Cotchin will add balance to our squad simply because we're still a season or two away from achieving balance.
Reckon I know enough. By the way ruckman are also mids.;)
You want to talk versatility how about a ruckman you don't have to bench.
SA Blue
18 Nov 2007, 21:02
You need a top line ruck division (yes midfield as well), all we have is 2 players with a total of 2 games to their names. The chances of both of them becoming top line rucks is very slim.
IMO, Kreuzer is a must for us. We are quickly establishing a top line mid field, let's get the rucks up to speed.
16 out of 16 AFL recruiters agree!
16 out of 16 AFL recruiters agree!
Why do people keep saying this. It's not true. I wouldn't be surprised if less than half do. I reckon I know 3 clubs that have neither of Kreuzer or Cotchin at number 1.
gandaal
18 Nov 2007, 21:07
Why do people keep saying this. It's not true. I wouldn't be surprised if less than half do. I reckon I know 3 clubs that have neither of Kreuzer or Cotchin at number 1.
Many recruiters in the paper today were said that there was nothing in it, and the Pies recruiter straight out said he'd take Cotchin given the choice.
TorresIsGod
18 Nov 2007, 21:22
I'd rather take Jennifer Hawkins
Jen > Megan easily
TigerTuff2008
18 Nov 2007, 21:26
Blue baggers need the Big K - it's a deal , it's a steal, it's sale of the F*** century....
Tigers will then hopefully take Cotchin - and who cares after that......:D
Why do people keep saying this. It's not true. I wouldn't be surprised if less than half do. I reckon I know 3 clubs that have neither of Kreuzer or Cotchin at number 1.
Spot on TGR. There is no way known that every RM has Kreuzer at 1.
JavaBlue
19 Nov 2007, 03:40
Reckon I know enough. By the way ruckman are also mids.;)
I reckon you reckon you do know enough so I guess I'll have to put the "team of midgets" bit down to a piisstake.
I suppose ruckman could be considered mids (although not midgets) - depends how you want to define ''mids'. I didn't define them that way.
You want to talk versatility how about a ruckman you don't have to bench.
I'll believe that when I see it. Even the benchmark ruck/'mid' Cox gets benched - 27 minutes in 2005 GF which probably cost them the game. Port tried it with Lade this year and he wasn't much use to them in the last quarter. I suppose if you reduced Kreuzer's time on the ball and 'rested' him up forward more often it could be done but the way the game's played today (and the way Kreuzer plays) that might be asking a bit much.
I've probably leaned towards Cotchin in this debate but what I really like about Kreuzer is his desperation in the 1%ers which bring with it the more intangible advantage of lifting/inspiring the team. Something we've lacked. You've seen him more than I have - is that something he'll brings to the game?
Big Bad Sammus
19 Nov 2007, 11:18
If what Wayne Hughes & Swanny have said according to the papers is true, I think Carlton will surprise the F*** out of all of us and pick Cotchin at #1.
IMO I believe we have some pretty good talls in our team and now with both Irish boys there, I think they will rotate them along with Cloke back in the side.
I would prefer to take Kreuzer because it's rare to get a 2m monster with that athletic ability and engine, but Cotchin looks the goods and will slip in perfectly to our team. If not, there's always next year!
*I too have a funny feeling that Kreuzer will more than likely get injuried after a couple of seasons of AFL footy.
If what Wayne Hughes & Swanny have said according to the papers is true, I think Carlton will surprise the F*** out of all of us and pick Cotchin at #1.
I've got a feeling that they might take Cotchin as well. I'm just not sure that the club would use 2 top 20 selections on ruckman in 2 successive drafts.
Lance Uppercut
19 Nov 2007, 11:44
good problem to have
good problem to have
You got that right.
I think it'll be Kreuzer.
A little hint in the paper was that Hughes said that before "Judd", Cotchin was in the mix... and to get Judd we gave up our CHF (JK) to get him...
In my view.. Judd now replaces "Cotchin" as being in the mix and perhaps Kreuzer to come in with maybe Aisake or Kreuzer being looked at as potential CHF?
I think it'll be Kreuzer.
A little hint in the paper was that Hughes said that before "Judd", Cotchin was in the mix... and to get Judd we gave up our CHF (JK) to get him...
In my view.. Judd now replaces "Cotchin" as being in the mix and perhaps Kreuzer to come in with maybe Aisake or Kreuzer being looked at as potential CHF?
Or maybe WH is having a bit of fun with the media. Neither name should surprise any on the day. However if he read out Morton I'd be shocked.:D
gandaal
19 Nov 2007, 15:14
Or maybe WH is having a bit of fun with the media. Neither name should surprise any on the day. However if he read out Morton I'd be shocked.:D
There were a few whispers about Morton not too long ago but in the end that's all they were. Its always been down to the best ruck and the best mid just like last year.
Mayesy_23
19 Nov 2007, 15:21
We will pick Kreuzer however, I think Cotchin will win matches off his own boot more than big Kreuze in the primes of their careers.
Or maybe WH is having a bit of fun with the media. Neither name should surprise any on the day. However if he read out Morton I'd be shocked.:D
I'd have Myers ahead of Morton thankyou very much. :thumbsu:
I'd have Myers ahead of Morton thankyou very much. :thumbsu:
Had him ahead myself since mid-year just quietly.;)
Carson_Kressley
19 Nov 2007, 18:45
Because two is better than one?:rolleyes:
Is there a limit on how many good midfielders a team can have? We got Judd, so is that all we need?:eek:
nah but we also got murphy , gibbs and stevens so along wif judd thats 4 top class midfielders. we definately need a good ruckman and a a good backman