Your Draft Credentials - What Kids Have You Actually Seen?

[Harvey Leadpipe]

A hell of a lot debate goes around this time every year, with everyone dipping in their two cents worth as to who we should or should not take (happens all over the site obviously, but I couldn't give a stuff about other teams).

So in order to work out who's opinion I should actually take note of (apart from Weaver), post the level of draft knowledge you have.

Myself, I've seen basically bugger all of the kids, and have virtually no opinion, just get the good ones.

Post as honestly as possible, because if you don't we'll all just assume you know jack shit and have a little d*ck anyway.:thumbsu:

[Tambling_30]

Honestly this year i have seen the most of Morton, as got plenty of tapes of him which i have mentioned before.
i have seen Cotchin, Kruezer at least 4-5 times. The rest was at the champs. Didnt go watch many TAC games but went to only see Kruezer and Cotchin because we were going to get one of them.
Watched alot of the champs games on FOX FOOTY, when it was on in previous years.:thumbsu:

[emperor]

seen SFA of any of the draftees...

But if we don't draft Cotchin I am tearing up my membership;):cool::D:p

[MrMalteser]

so whats your prediction then tambling_30

from all the games you have watched whats your opinion on who we should take

[Tambling_30]

so whats your prediction then tambling_30

from all the games you have watched whats your opinion on who we should take
Honestly i would go Cotchin at 2. I have had a look at things again and as good as morton will be i think cotchin will turn out to be better.

[bigpapagman]

nothing. why i havent commented.

[lvt06]

Honestly i would go Cotchin at 2. I have had a look at things again and as good as morton will be i think cotchin will turn out to be better.

He’s going to end up as a good bodied, inside midfielder that’s got attributes like a young Gary Ablett Jr through traffic; he’s able to swerve through, spot targets, his hands and feet are very, very good. He kicks brilliantly on his left and right side – he’s a natural right footer – but his use of the football separates him from many of the other players.
“He’s quite brilliant around goal and he can take the contested mark, he can stand on their shoulders at times, so he’s a very gifted, very quick, inside, medium midfielder.”

I was leaning towards Morton until i had a read of both profiles. I understand this is just one view on him but it is a good one....so i say Cotchin at No.2

[Haggard H]

I know nothing about the kids other than through the media and BF - honestly. (does this mean that I'm going to have a big d*ck?)







... because it doesn't seem to be working.

[Goldust]

:)ONLY seen Cotchin and Kreuzer up close through work and impressed with both, moreso Cotchin.

Morton - well limited to the one game v Victoria in the championships and was damn impressive.

A colleague of mine has seen a lot more of Cotchin and believes he has star written all over him, so I'd be happy to have him at Punt Road.

In the back of my mind is we don't tend to have too much good fortune in drafting Wetern Australians.

For every Mark Coughlan (and Mitch Morton) we've picked up or traded for, there is a dozen Wayne Hernamen's, Todd Menegola's, Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls', Ashley Blurton's, Jeremy Humm's, Tood Breman's etc. etc.

Actually, cast your eye across our list, think our record of developing youngsters from interstate is relatively poor!

[rfctigerarmy]

nothing. why i havent commented.

Same with me. No idea.

[itsintheblood]

He’s going to end up as a good bodied, inside midfielder that’s got attributes like a young Gary Ablett Jr through traffic; he’s able to swerve through, spot targets, his hands and feet are very, very good. He kicks brilliantly on his left and right side – he’s a natural right footer – but his use of the football separates him from many of the other players.
“He’s quite brilliant around goal and he can take the contested mark, he can stand on their shoulders at times, so he’s a very gifted, very quick, inside, medium midfielder.”

I was leaning towards Morton until i had a read of both profiles. I understand this is just one view on him but it is a good one....so i say Cotchin at No.2


Im sold. Get Cotchin. We need more class in the middle.

[telsor]

I haven't seen any of them.

I read a lot of the profiles and phantom drafts, but more to get an idea of the type of player and peoples opinions of them before they get drafted, so I have an unvarnished idea what we get.

I'm not especially concerned about the individual players we get so much as the types. Sure, I'd be somewhat concerned if we took someone nobody had heard of at '2', but I realise it's all just 'best guess', so I just hope the Tiges guess correctly. :D

[tony_montana]

Got a relative who joined the jets during the season so went and saw a few jets games. Saw Kruezer and Cotchin a couple of times. My cousin might get drafted with a late speculative pick or get rookied(2 clubs have shown interest) otherwise hes off to sign with Geelong VFL where hes already received an offer and starts training monday. Needs a solid preseason to show his mettle as hes let his footy suffer, concentrating on conditioning for sprint and power based events. But before he got his knee tendonitis in 06(over it now) and lost his tank, he could do a beep test of 14.8, not bad for someone who runs 20m in 2.8 secs.

[duckboy]

I haven't commented much but I did watch both of the Vic Metro games at the carnival. In the Vic Metro VS WA game Rhys Palmer was clearly the standout, with Masten and Morton not far behind.
Cotchin had a nightmare, can't remember the name of the kid who tagged him, but he absolutely blanketed him.
Kruezer was beaten convincingly at the centre bounces by Natanui but had some impact at ground level and certainly wasn't the worst player out there for the Vics.
Palmer was simply amazing. Although he had plenty of the ball, the most impressive thing was how damaging he was with the footy, and how much territory he covered. If that was the only game you'd seen, you'd think Palmer was the standout #1 pick.
Masten set up much of what Palmer did. His work in close and as a link man was not spectacular, but the results were effective.
Morton was fantastic as a link man, covering ground up and down the wing with his long stride and sensational long kicking. Several times hit targets inside 50 from defensive side of wing. Didn't appear to play overly tall but skills were noticably superior to just about every other player out there.

[AGRESSION]

I haven't commented much but I did watch both of the Vic Metro games at the carnival. In the Vic Metro VS WA game Rhys Palmer was clearly the standout, with Masten and Morton not far behind.
Cotchin had a nightmare, can't remember the name of the kid who tagged him, but he absolutely blanketed him.
Kruezer was beaten convincingly at the centre bounces by Natanui but had some impact at ground level and certainly wasn't the worst player out there for the Vics.
Palmer was simply amazing. Although he had plenty of the ball, the most impressive thing was how damaging he was with the footy, and how much territory he covered. If that was the only game you'd seen, you'd think Palmer was the standout #1 pick.
Masten set up much of what Palmer did. His work in close and as a link man was not spectacular, but the results were effective.
Morton was fantastic as a link man, covering ground up and down the wing with his long stride and sensational long kicking. Several times hit targets inside 50 from defensive side of wing. Didn't appear to play overly tall but skills were noticably superior to just about every other player out there.

I beleive that his name is PADDY McGinnity apparently tagged Trent out of the game ala Dean Polo. Altough the oil on that game is that Trent was carrying a bit of an injury. Who knows maybe he had a good day and Trent had a bad one. We all have those occasionally. I wouldn't read too much into it.

[Ruanaidh]

Saw the Victorian U18 championships held in Melbourne and watched the Knights play on 2 occasions, Jets 5. Kruezer is overrated (as a ruckman), Sullivan is underrated (as a tap ruckman), Morton and Cotchin are equal No 1 in my book, but I feel Morton would be the best fit at the minute. Jack Grimes or Vezpremi should be taken at 18 if still available, if not get best available KPP/Ruck.

[MrMalteser]

i to liked the look of morton, bigger stronger and has all the attributes of cotchin but in a bigger body

[Crumden]

I beleive that his name is PADDY McGinnity apparently tagged Trent out of the game ala Dean Polo. Altough the oil on that game is that Trent was carrying a bit of an injury. Who knows maybe he had a good day and Trent had a bad one. We all have those occasionally. I wouldn't read too much into it.
If Cotchin played poorly in the final of the Championships, didn't compete at draft camp, and only played 7 TAC games in 2007, what are all the experts basing their opinions of him on? I'm not saying the opinions are wrong because I wouldn't have a clue, but 7 games doesn't seem many to judge a kid to be one of the best in the land on. Presumably the experts also saw him play some school footy and/or he was an absolute standout in those few TAC games he played.:confused:

[IDGAF]

A hell of a lot debate goes around this time every year, with everyone dipping in their two cents worth as to who we should or should not take (happens all over the site obviously, but I couldn't give a stuff about other teams).

So in order to work out who's opinion I should actually take note of (apart from Weaver), post the level of draft knowledge you have.

Myself, I've seen basically bugger all of the kids, and have virtually no opinion, just get the good ones.

Post as honestly as possible, because if you don't we'll all just assume you know jack shit and have a little d*ck anyway.:thumbsu:
LMAOO
.. cut to the chase Harv .... love it :thumbsu:

I am brown up to the waist from having to wade through all the bullshit

[polakthetiger]

/or he was an absolute standout in those few TAC games he played.:confused:

I believe I read somewhere that he did totally dominate in those 7 games! (note:' I read') So, no, not actually seen! A few on the B-lose board who have seen quite a bit rate him I think. Being the Vic mid., I think we leave Masten and Palmer WA mids, but consider Morton if we decide to go tall, but I am moving now over to 'the Cotch'! All to be revealed so very soon:cool:

[Crumden]

Fair enough polakthetiger. I've no doubt he is talented. Not surprising that there are so many misses in the draft though when clubs are punting on kids that have played so few games against top quality - especially ones that are below that top rank. Would be even harder to get a line on kids from outside Vic, WA and SA. Maybe Roosy has a point when he says the draft age is too young.

BTW, do you think Shifter Sheehan has undersold Cotchin in his assessment? He forgot to mention him walking on water: :D

He’s going to end up as a good bodied, inside midfielder that’s got attributes like a young Gary Ablett Jr through traffic; he’s able to swerve through, spot targets, his hands and feet are very, very good. He kicks brilliantly on his left and right side – he’s a natural right footer – but his use of the football separates him from many of the other players.
“He’s quite brilliant around goal and he can take the contested mark, he can stand on their shoulders at times, so he’s a very gifted, very quick, inside, medium midfielder.”

Only one more sleep till the recruiters get to unwraptheir pressies. :thumbsu:.

[Roar]

Is the draft being shown on Foxtel or free to air?

[carmi99]

I haven't commented much but I did watch both of the Vic Metro games at the carnival. In the Vic Metro VS WA game Rhys Palmer was clearly the standout, with Masten and Morton not far behind.
Cotchin had a nightmare, can't remember the name of the kid who tagged him, but he absolutely blanketed him.
Kruezer was beaten convincingly at the centre bounces by Natanui but had some impact at ground level and certainly wasn't the worst player out there for the Vics.
Palmer was simply amazing. Although he had plenty of the ball, the most impressive thing was how damaging he was with the footy, and how much territory he covered. If that was the only game you'd seen, you'd think Palmer was the standout #1 pick.
Masten set up much of what Palmer did. His work in close and as a link man was not spectacular, but the results were effective.
Morton was fantastic as a link man, covering ground up and down the wing with his long stride and sensational long kicking. Several times hit targets inside 50 from defensive side of wing. Didn't appear to play overly tall but skills were noticably superior to just about every other player out there.

Yes and he dominated the same way in the other games also.

[LuKe2428]

i'v seen krzer a few times i dnt think he's as good as wat everyone talks him up to be

[Weaver]

Seeing games is important. It is not enough to look at a stats sheet, you need to know who they played on and what role they played. Did they get touches in garbage time?

It is also important to have some sense of the AFL clubs and the way they are heading and playing. Rovers aren't going to get taken even on the back of 30 touch outings. The power-forwards and defenders are dead. The small KP players <190cm are dead. Wingers without pace and kicking skills are no chance. It is not enough to 'good' they have to be good for the AFL.

It is also important to have been watching for a few years so that you can compare the bloke you are watching this weekend to a guy you saw 5 years ago. You see a kid like Luke Herrington get missed or Matt Little fail to make the grade and it doesn't suprise if you saw Chris Hay and Adam Quinn missed in earlier seasons. Lots of 182cm full forwards in junior footy, and history teaches you that Steve Morris was no chance this season.

Lots of the players, brothers, families and friends can lack that AFL and History perspective even if they watch a lot of junior footy. They'll tell you that a 162cm midget rover who gets 40 touches is the best thing ever and will go top-5. They almost get violent when you suggest that they are a snowballs chance. Same when you suggest a gun 184cm fullback needs to play onball, or a 189cm forward who has won the goalkicking at every level needs to be ruck-rover.

How many games did I watch this year - about half :D