#1 Rookie Draft Pick Looks GOOD.

[Richmond FC]

We can look at Gourdis, Petrenko and im sure others have more opinions on who we can look at.

[PHX]

pick 1 PSD Gourdis, Pick 1 rookie Bellchambers.

kthxbye.

[brown_2000au]

We can look at Gourdis, Petrenko and im sure others have more opinions on who we can look at.

Bellchambers at pick 1 in the PSD would be great:thumbsu: I was shoked he did not go.

[RichosGuns]

I would have thought we will take Pfieffer

Gourdis will be gone by the Rookie draft any IMO

[brown_2000au]

pick 1 PSD Gourdis, Pick 1 rookie Bellchambers.

kthxbye.

Beat me

[Richmond FC]

Forgot Bellchambers he is actually ahead in my pecking order from Gourdis who i feel is grossly overrated by Bigfooty however not the AFL recruiters:thumbsu:

Arrowsmith another option.

[RichosGuns]

Blokes who are still available:

Gourdis - Went no.5 Weaver's draft, touted as one of the best tall fowards

Bellchambers- Went no.19 Weavers draft, tap ruckman 199cm

Geartner

Arrowsmith - went 36 Weavers draft, tall mid

Joseph - went 63
Kangars - Went 23, massive athlete
McGinnity - Went 49
Gartlett
Hockey- went 33, small mid

[duckboy]

For someone that was rated so highly, Gourdis must be the big surprise. Reminiscent of the big lad that Hawthorn ended up rookie listing a couple of years ago, Ruory Kirkby. Was rated highly, slipped through the ND, spent a year as a rookie and then was shown the door.

[jezza]

Ruory Kirkby.

Difference is, Kirkby was a slow old style KPP, Gourdis is very fast.

[Coughlan]

For someone that was rated so highly, Gourdis must be the big surprise. Reminiscent of the big lad that Hawthorn ended up rookie listing a couple of years ago, Ruory Kirkby. Was rated highly, slipped through the ND, spent a year as a rookie and then was shown the door.
Thats right all the ******** hawthorn supporters were at us thanking us for taking Thursfield and leaving them Kirkby.
I wonder who won that one

[Yellow n Black]

Rookie Gourdis and Bellchambers.

Still reckon we should give Pfeiffer a go in the PSD

Absolutely over the moon with cotchin and rance!!!!!!!!!!

[RichosGuns]

Rookie Gourdis and Bellchambers.

Still reckon we should give Pfeiffer a go in the PSD

Absolutely over the moon with cotchin and rance!!!!!!!!!!

I imagine most of these guys will go in the PSD anyway if teams have spots left

[Delids]

Gouridis & ROCKLIFF
Rockliff will go top 15 in next year draft - get him now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BluesRules]

The Tigers will use pick 1 in PSD on Richards

[Supertiger]

The Tigers will use pick 1 in PSD on Richards

It must really shit you that you dont have a defence and there we were, after taking the dead set best midfielder in the draft, you had to see us select Rance lol. The best young key defender in the draft.

[Richmond 2014]

The Tigers will use pick 1 in PSD on Richards

How do you know that?

We just picked up our Key Defender and our future Ruckman, Dean Putt

i think 4 ruckman on the list is decent

if anything you would be looking to pick him up

Kruezer, Cloke, Ackland, Hampson doesnt beat Simmonds, Pattison, Graham, Putt yet

PSD pick i think we should take Pfieffer

And we should try and get these players in the Rookie:
Neville Gourdis Ashley arrowsmith and Bellchambers also Howat, i thought he got the rough end of the stick IMO,

oh and with the Rance pick up, no need for f****** Moore

Tigers future players

Rance, Cotchin, Deledio, Pattison, Tambling, King, Thursfield, Putt, Edwards, Reidwolt

5-6 years

[BluesRules]

It must really shit you that you dont have a defence and there we were, after taking the dead set best midfielder in the draft, you had to see us select Rance lol. The best young key defender in the draft.

Not really. There must be question marks over Rance if the Eagles overlooked him

[BluesRules]

How do you know that?

We just picked up our Key Defender and our future Ruckman, Dean Putt

i think 4 ruckman on the list is decent

if anything you would be looking to pick him up

Kruezer, Cloke, Ackland, Hampson doesnt beat Simmonds, Pattison, Graham, Putt yet

PSD pick i think we should take Pfieffer

And we should try and get these players in the Rookie:
Neville Gourdis Ashley arrowsmith and Bellchambers also Howat, i thought he got the rough end of the stick IMO,

oh and with the Rance pick up, no need for f****** Moore

Tigers future players

Rance, Cotchin, Deledio, Pattison, Tambling, King, Thursfield, Putt, Edwards, Reidwolt

5-6 years

You have to be joking.:p:p:p

Ackland is a hack, Cloke is equal to Pattison and Graham, Kreuzer is a gun and Hampson a freak. Have you seen Hampson? The kid could be anything. He really impressed me this year. I was keen on Jetta last year, but Hampson could be anything.

Let''s not forget Aisake O'Hailpin. What a freak athlete at over 200cm.

[tony_montana]

You have to be joking.:p:p:p

Ackland is a hack, Cloke is equal to Pattison and Graham, Kreuzer is a gun and Hampson a freak. Have you seen Hampson? The kid could be anything. He really impressed me this year. I was keen on Jetta last year, but Hampson could be anything.

Let''s not forget Aisake O'Hailpin. What a freak athlete at over 200cm.


putt does 20m in 2.9sec and a beep test of low 14's now THATS a freak athlete at 202cm

[BluesRules]

putt does 20m in 2.9sec and a beep test of low 14's now THATS a freak athlete at 202cm

Sounds like Kreuzer to me:D:thumbsu:

[jack_riewoldt_rulz]

No thats Putt :thumbsu:

[blxx]

The Tigers will use pick 1 in PSD on Richards

might yet happen too bluey who knows.

anyway i know you think we're stupid but surely were not that stupid :D

you guys have got an interesting year ahead of you. New coach, Du...i mean Judd, and the return of Stevens and Murphy.

see you Round one :thumbsu:

[BluesRules]

No thats Putt :thumbsu:

You should add Pick 1 PSD - Guy Richards to your signature.

[BluesRules]

might yet happen too bluey who knows.

anyway i know you think we're stupid but surely were not that stupid :D

I can tell you right now that Carlton will NOT pick up Richards. Richmond probably won't, but there is a small chance.

The Blues were seen showing Dunn around Optus Oval during the week.

[jack_riewoldt_rulz]

You should add Pick 1 PSD - Guy Richards to your signature.
You should get off our board.

[jack_riewoldt_rulz]

You should add Pick 1 PSD - Guy Richards to your signature.
Dont need Guy we have Putt :thumbsu:

[BluesRules]

Dont need Guy we have Putt :thumbsu:

only time will tell

[David3030]

You have to be joking.:p:p:p

Ackland is a hack, Cloke is equal to Pattison and Graham, Kreuzer is a gun and Hampson a freak. Have you seen Hampson? The kid could be anything. He really impressed me this year. I was keen on Jetta last year, but Hampson could be anything.

Let''s not forget Aisake O'Hailpin. What a freak athlete at over 200cm.

Hampson a freak? A freak of what? Nature?

Hampson could be anything ... agreed, most likely a dud.

[Liam#9]

Not really. There must be question marks over Rance if the Eagles overlooked him

Wouldnt say that, Ebert was available and there was no way we would let him slip past us, and in defence we already have an abundance of young tall players. Still annoyed that you guys had to take Cotchin:p

[Weaver]

Bottom-age (17 year olds) are not available for the PSD or rookie - so scratch Rockliff and Gaertner.

Some of the guys being discussed are good but don't really suit our recruiting philosophy.

Bellchambers is an old-style dinosaur tap-ruckman. With Putt, Graham and Pattison developing and all athletic we won't be taking Sullivan or Bellchambers. The only ruckman we would add would be a 23+ year old ready to go one. If we do get one expect Reece Phoenix, Wes Lammie or Andrew Renton instead.

Kangars won't be taken by us with Thursfield, McGuane, Polak and Rance all under-23 and Reiwoldt, Oakley-Nicholls chances for KD as well. We value kicking a little too highly. Also Silvester is more likely.

Gourdis' is a brilliant athlete and will be considered. Booming kick. Changed his kicking foot a couple of years ago and so is inconsistant and needs more coaching. Would be a good project.

Arrowsmith is slow and we won't take a slow wingman.

Joseph is a centre-square one-paced extractor. Again not out type. They'll be happy with what they have. Same with McGinnity who is tough and nuggetty but that isn't really our type.

We probably won't take power forwards or defenders so scratch Hobbs, Zomer and Dulic.

Garlett is a tiny forward-pocket. Better off with Joe Gazzo.

Ash Hockey might be a good chance. He is very good by foot and that is one area where we do like and can get better.

Assuming that Howat and Petterson are not in the mix we have 4 rookie picks.

I am very confident that Jarrad Silvester will be in the mix. The other club that are interested addressed their tall defender needs today - although Rance selection could hurt.

I'd be looking at

Dave Gourdis -Subiaco (Atheltic CHF who is still raw)
Jarrad Silvester -Coburg (bit once paced but Richmond like him)
Joe Gazzo - Coburg (midget terrier who can get and create goals)
Lachie Hill -Oakleigh (quickish centreman with big body)
Ash Hockey -Murray (rover with elite kicking)
Jeremy Laidler -Calder (tall utility with burst pace)
John Walker - Murray (194cm flanker who played some great games as a ruck-rover).
Matthew Suckling - Sandringham (classy centreman who missed year injured)
Steve Kennedy (Western) and Luke Potts (Dandenong) - just rovers but I like them anyway.
Jackson Hall (Gippsland) - lacks a special trick or ability, but good allround winger or flanker.
Luke Casey-Leigh (Sandringham) - improved a lot and is good kick and quick and another contender for FB if we miss Silvester.

[PHX]

Matthew Suckling - Sandringham (classy centreman who missed year injured)

Hawthorn rookie? :confused:

[The BRICKSTER]

different suckling, hawthorn one is from wagga this one sandy dragons

[Rayzorwire]

Bottom-age (17 year olds) are not available for the PSD or rookie - so scratch Rockliff and Gaertner.

Some of the guys being discussed are good but don't really suit our recruiting philosophy.

Bellchambers is an old-style dinosaur tap-ruckman. With Putt, Graham and Pattison developing and all athletic we won't be taking Sullivan or Bellchambers. The only ruckman we would add would be a 23+ year old ready to go one. If we do get one expect Reece Phoenix, Wes Lammie or Andrew Renton instead.


I don't mind Renton and would be quite happy to get him.

IMO, the logic for Bellchambers is that you know he'll get his hands to the footy and stands a very good chance of competing well with the top ruckmen at AFL level as a ruckman. I don't think we can say that for certain about Pattison or Graham, and perhaps Putt as well. None of them scream no.1 ruckman. With an AFL level fitness program and specialist coaching on hitting the ball to advantage, Bellchambers could make all the needed improvements on the deficiencies he does have and be that no.1 ruckman.

As a PSD pick or a rookie, he looms as very good value IMO. As does Gourdis and several others.

[Weaver]

As a PSD pick or a rookie, he looms as very good value IMO. As does Gourdis and several others.

I don't disagree.

I am just trying to make the point that we all tend to look at players in isolation, ie is Player Z good, bad or indifferent and go from there.

I think you have to look at the club, the gameplan etc. I don't really see us going for a Trent Knobel tap ruckman type. That doesn't mean Bellchambers won't be rookied, just I would be suprised if it was by us.

I think we play ruckmen only under sufference and would do away with them if we could. Those that we do play tend to be 15-20 touch followers who can cover ground. I think our club would be reluctant to carry another 8 touch 20 hitout guy alongside Graham.

[PHX]

different suckling, hawthorn one is from wagga this one sandy dragons

Cheers. :thumbsu:

[brown_2000au]

Gourdis is the go in the PSD. He worked hard for WA in the game versus metro. He presented well, has sticky hands but what impressed me most was his work off the ball. He chased and tackled off a half forward line and won the ball for WA on many occasions.

Another player from the game that i was shocked didn't get picked up was Ellard. He is only small but works incredibly hard at it and has great skills. He is also a proven goal kicker and may be the type who could develope into a classy small forward.

[Deledio2Tambling]

Not really. There must be question marks over Rance if the Eagles overlooked him

Wrong again.

No club would pass up Ebert at 13.

[brown_2000au]

Here is your PSD pick 1 (check the video)

This is what i meant about the sticky hands:thumbsu: and look at the run down the wing (Pity he can't bounce the ball:()

mms://wm9.streaming.telstra.com/wh_afl1/OnDemand/Preseason08/davidgourdis.wmv

[Ize Of The World]

Gourdis is obviously a ********. Would have been serious ego issues, why else wouldn't he have got picked up. Maybe the rookie list will straighten him out.

[Rayzorwire]

I don't disagree.

I am just trying to make the point that we all tend to look at players in isolation, ie is Player Z good, bad or indifferent and go from there.

I think you have to look at the club, the gameplan etc. I don't really see us going for a Trent Knobel tap ruckman type. That doesn't mean Bellchambers won't be rookied, just I would be suprised if it was by us.

I think we play ruckmen only under sufference and would do away with them if we could. Those that we do play tend to be 15-20 touch followers who can cover ground. I think our club would be reluctant to carry another 8 touch 20 hitout guy alongside Graham.


I agree that there's a fair chance we won't pick him up Weaver, and agree that the mindset you've described us as having is correct.

My own feeling (completely aside from what the club will actually do) is that it's important to have one genuine 1st ruck who can hold his own as a ruckman against anyone and not go entirely for athletic types who do well around the ground.

Richards doesn't fit the bill. Graham is not an athletic type de-facto follower, but for that trade-off, will he hold his own against the genuine topliners as a tap ruckman? I have my doubts.

For the price of an almost throwaway selection, personally, I couldn't go past Bellchambers to provide as close to a first ruck certainty as you can get and go close to settling our developing ruckmen stocks for the best part of a decade.

If it came to a choice between Graham and Bellchambers for a rookie/PSD pick at the same age in the same year, IMO there's no question Bellchambers would be the one.

[brown_2000au]

If it came to a choice between Graham and Bellchambers for a rookie/PSD pick at the same age in the same year, IMO there's no question Bellchambers would be the one.

Have you seen his video on the draft tracker from the AFL web site. Watch it and you will see why he was not picked. He is extremely slow and falls over himself and others on more than one occasion. He is also not a giant at just over 200cm therefore you would expect that he would move alot better. Renton or Hill are better options in my opinion.

[Richmond 2014]

You have to be joking.:p:p:p

Ackland is a hack, Cloke is equal to Pattison and Graham, Kreuzer is a gun and Hampson a freak. Have you seen Hampson? The kid could be anything. He really impressed me this year. I was keen on Jetta last year, but Hampson could be anything.

Let''s not forget Aisake O'Hailpin. What a freak athlete at over 200cm.

1st of all did u here me say yet

now cloke has had Shoulder problems the day he played his 1st game for the pies, 2ns he is a hack
Hampson has hsant done anything YET
And you cannot count on Kruezer to be winning you the ball in the taps YET
Aisake O'Hailpin, 0 games and he is a full back

Don't be upset that one of the worst line ups in the league could be able to beat the great Carltank, just watch cotchin shread gibbs and murphy oh and see if judd could catch deledio, and not to forget...

RANCE, steal of the 07 draft

[Rayzorwire]

Have you seen his video on the draft tracker from the AFL web site. Watch it and you will see why he was not picked. He is extremely slow and falls over himself and others on more than one occasion. He is also not a giant at just over 200cm therefore you would expect that he would move alot better. Renton or Hill are better options in my opinion.

I've seen him play since he was an early teenager.

He's not fit and has been a de-facto selection in every age group he's been through for Tassie. He hasn't been challenged and would be nothing short of shattered right now to have not been drafted when for years he's been touted as at least a top-20 selection. That equals fire in the belly from the best source - going from having a 'right' to being selected on pure talent to having to work your arse off. He does have a football brain and when he has petrol in the tank, he gets to the right positions to influence a game outside the ruck, particularly across the half back line. He's had some big possession hauls and major influence on games at the level which suits where his fitness currently is. If you put he and Kreuzer head to head, Bellchambers would jump all over him as a ruckman but not be the dominant player. If both are chosen as ruckman, Bellchambers has more room to improve dramatically. It's easier to teach a natural ruckman to influence the game outside the ruck at AFL level purely through improved fitness than it is to teach a very mobile tall who is an ordinary pure ruckman to compete with the best ruckmen in the league.

Height is irrelevant compared to getting hands on the ball. Natanui will almost certainly go top-10 next year and is well below 200cm. A sub-200cm ruckman with the right ability is still very viable at AFL level, just the same a our no.1 ruck is when he's fully fit.

[Bojangles17]

Not really. There must be question marks over Rance if the Eagles overlooked him


whays that, I wouldn't have seen him a 193cm defender as a ready replacement for Judd or cousins, unless Im missing something boofhead:eek:

[dekkar]

putt does 20m in 2.9sec and a beep test of low 14's now THATS a freak athlete at 202cm maybe he can putt use in the nine

[reeko]

maybe he can putt use in the nine

Dont quit your day job.

[duckboy]

maybe he can putt use in the nine

Maybe Kruezer can help the Blues crack the top 14 for the first time in 5 years.

[tiger trooper]

gourdis looks good.

woodnt hurt us to pick him up.

[RichosGuns]

IMO:

PSD: Gourids (tall foward)

Rookie 1: Pfieffer
Rookie 2: Al Neville
Rookie 3: Jarred Silvester
Rookie 4: Cam Howatt (I don't particually wan't him on the list however I think he is leading Terry's "Nab 15")

[Deledio2Tambling]

IMO:

PSD: Gourids (tall foward)

Rookie 1: Pfieffer
Rookie 2: Al Neville
Rookie 3: Jarred Silvester
Rookie 4: Cam Howatt (I don't particually wan't him on the list however I think he is leading Terry's "Nab 15")

Like your thinking except I would probably only rookie 1 of the Coburg lads (Silvester).

Here is what I would do

PSD - Gourdis

Rookie 1: Collard
Rookie 2: Pfeiffer
Rookie 3: Silvester
Rookie 4: Howat again

[Buster the hawk]

Dan Stubbe from Maffra FC tried out for you guys today.Tigers rang him a few times from all reports so they must be half interested.21 yr old CHF 188cm with an amazing vertical leap.

[Weaver]

IMO:
Rookie 4: Cam Howatt (I don't particually wan't him on the list however I think he is leading Terry's "Nab 15")

If true then I wouldn't mind taking him again. Even if we don't really intend to play him I have no problem at all in using a rookie pick to basically say "guys who work hardest get rewarded". Goes to developing the culture in the team.