View Full Version : Matthew Kreuzer OR Trent Cotchin?
mightymightyblues
25 Nov 2007, 22:05
The Kreuze for me. Very hard choice though because they are both outstanding prospects.
David Villa
25 Nov 2007, 22:12
What a surprise that you voted Kruezer :rolleyes:
Stupid poll.
Cotchin will be the better play but we needed Kreuzer more. Once Ratten works out the irishmen are crap, we'll only have Hampson. Now we'll have him and Kreuzer. Krezuer will be as good as Josh Fraser, lets hope he is anyway.
Kruezer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA2gjKi2Z-k) by a long long way in terms of raw talent. Cotchin is a good #2 pick though. :)
BABYBOMBERS2007
25 Nov 2007, 22:48
Cotchin. Though it really depends on what your club needs.
Claude Balls
29 Nov 2007, 08:29
Kruezer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA2gjKi2Z-k) by a long long way in terms of raw talent. Cotchin is a good #2 pick though. :)
Parrot, you're a real enigma - I can't work out if you are:
a) actually half intelligent, though burdened with a nerdy penchant for spending a lot of your time on the interent working opposition supporters into a lather with your tedious rumblings about Carlton's bottomless pit of 'raw talent'.... or
b) very young, or simply lacking too many brain cells to realise that the majority of your posts betray delusional thought processes.
ANYWAY, on the topic of Kruezer V Cotchin, I would rather have Cotchin any day of the week. The thought of Kruezer becoming as good as Josh Fraser would certainly not fill me with glee, if I was a Carlton supporter. I'd much rather we had taken the Berger last year, and could then take Cotchin this year. Berger will be twice the ruckman (and player) Kruezer will be, in my humble opinion.
this poll makes very interesting reading
TheGeneral
29 Nov 2007, 10:58
ANYWAY, on the topic of Kruezer V Cotchin, I would rather have Cotchin any day of the week. The thought of Kruezer becoming as good as Josh Fraser would certainly not fill me with glee, if I was a Carlton supporter.
He's nothing like Fraser.
Kreuzer is harder at the ball, has great second and third efforts and will be a monster ruckman in five years time.
He's more like Ottens or Lade than Fraser.
I'd much rather we had taken the Berger last year, and could then take Cotchin this year. Berger will be twice the ruckman (and player) Kruezer will be, in my humble opinion.
Carlton rate Kreuzer the equal of Leuenberger and he will beat Leuenberger around the ground because his endurance is elite in spite of his size.
Michael Turner rated Kreuzer's game as the best game he's ever seen at TAC cup level.
delirious1
29 Nov 2007, 11:28
Michael Turner rated Kreuzer's game as the best game he's ever seen at TAC cup level.
The one where he got pantsed by Naitanui?
wce4premiership
29 Nov 2007, 12:04
For the eagles i'd take cotchin.
Carlton rate Kreuzer the equal of Leuenberger and he will beat Leuenberger around the ground because his endurance is elite in spite of his size.
While i have no facts to say they don't i would be very interested in where you get your view of carlton rating Kruezer and good as Luey?
Leuy was rated by every recruiting dept as the best ruckman in the draft by a very long way and by many as the best player in the draft.
He would eat Kruezer in tap work, a much better kick and from memory is quicker than him and from all reports is a much better player.
This of course doesn't mean Kruezer is no good as he is but your claim that carlton rate him the equal of Luey is probably nothing more than your propaganda.
Unless you can provide a link to a Hughes article claiming that of course.
Tiger Army
29 Nov 2007, 14:10
Cotch is going to play with his idol.........
For those who don't know he absoulatly loves Lids
Bring-Back-Powell
29 Nov 2007, 14:23
Depends which club develops their kids better.
On the basis of recent performances, you'd have to say neither club develops their kids particularly well.
I think Cotchin will probably get the nod. Kreuzer is overrated because his tall.
Morton will be the best player of the draft though!
jonesy86
29 Nov 2007, 15:12
after watching their combined total of 0 AFL matches it is really hard to split them
so what if they dominate at TAC Cup level...there have been a couple of 2-time Mourish Medal winners who have turned out to be average at best AFL players or even worse, not even get drafted
FWIW Derek Hine the pies recruiting manager rated Cotchin #1 and Kreuzer #2, his opinion I'd say is worth quite a bit more than most
roccacelli
29 Nov 2007, 15:21
they are both completely different players!! why do a poll for. kruezer is the best ruckman of the draft and cotchin is the best midfeilder of the draft, so why do a poll for. clubs who need a ruckman would have taken kruezer. clubs who needed a midfeillder would of taken cotchin
He's nothing like Fraser.
Kreuzer is harder at the ball, has great second and third efforts and will be a monster ruckman in five years time.
He's more like Ottens or Lade than Fraser.
Carlton rate Kreuzer the equal of Leuenberger and he will beat Leuenberger around the ground because his endurance is elite in spite of his size.
Michael Turner rated Kreuzer's game as the best game he's ever seen at TAC cup level.
So is Leunberger's fitness.
Faster than Kruezer and has just a good as time.
hendo8888
29 Nov 2007, 22:56
this is another useless poll
neither of them have proven themselves at afl level
all the talk was that kruezer was the best player in the draft
therefore he was taken pick 1
if cotchin was the best available he would have been taken at 1
C4[2]Yo`DooR
30 Nov 2007, 09:53
So is Leunberger's fitness.
Faster than Kruezer and has just a good as time.
Yet Hampson runs a faster 20 meter sprint time than Leuy... go figure ... its a cycle.
Carlton rate Kreuzer the equal of Leuenberger and he will beat Leuenberger around the ground because his endurance is elite in spite of his size.
While i have no facts to say they don't i would be very interested in where you get your view of carlton rating Kruezer and good as Luey?
Leuy was rated by every recruiting dept as the best ruckman in the draft by a very long way and by many as the best player in the draft.
He would eat Kruezer in tap work, a much better kick and from memory is quicker than him and from all reports is a much better player.
This of course doesn't mean Kruezer is no good as he is but your claim that carlton rate him the equal of Luey is probably nothing more than your propaganda.
Unless you can provide a link to a Hughes article claiming that of course .
The silence is deafening :cool:
TheGeneral
30 Nov 2007, 14:36
One of Carlton's recruiters and TAC scouts rates Kreuzer higher than Leuenberger.
talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=628887&highlight=#628887
Can a muppet like yourself say he's wrong using your extensive experience as a scout? :cool:
Kreuzer's endurance and beep tests is superior to Leuenberger's despite Matthew being heavier and weighing 94 kgs. He can win the ruck for all I care because it's up to the mids to win the ball and Kreuzer is great at ground level for his size.
We'll have Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens and Carrazzo in there next year.
One of Carlton's recruiters and TAC scouts rates Kreuzer higher than Leuenberger.
talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=628887&highlight=#628887
Can a muppet like yourself say he's wrong using your extensive experience as a scout? :cool:
Kreuzer's endurance and beep tests is superior to Leuenberger's despite Matthew being heavier and weighing 94 kgs. He can win the ruck for all I care because it's up to the mids to win the ball and Kreuzer is great at ground level for his size.
We'll have Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens and Carrazzo in there next year.
I don't claim to be a scout all i did was reject your statement that carlton rate Kruezer as good as Luey.
So far you have not shown any proof that they do.
lol, so some guy on a carlton forum, that can't even spell Kreuzers name, that the forum get themselves in a lather over, says that
but I will say that IMHO Krueser is a better pick than Leuy at the same age. Krueser is far more effective around the ground and has greater mobility.
that makes the carlton recruiting department have the same opinion....lol
I cbfed looking up the results but from my memory Luey had better sprint testing than Kruezer.
At least Luey can kick
You will think i'm slagging Kruezer, but unlike yourself i can appreciate players from other teams and he looks a very good prospect to me.
BUT your claims are rediculous
smiddaz123
30 Nov 2007, 14:48
One of Carlton's recruiters and TAC scouts rates Kreuzer higher than Leuenberger.
talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=628887&highlight=#628887
Can a muppet like yourself say he's wrong using your extensive experience as a scout? :cool:
Kreuzer's endurance and beep tests is superior to Leuenberger's despite Matthew being heavier and weighing 94 kgs. He can win the ruck for all I care because it's up to the mids to win the ball and Kreuzer is great at ground level for his size.
We'll have Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens and Carrazzo in there next year.
Wow. What a surprise. After drafting Kruezer he rates him higher than Luenberger :rolleyes:
Find a quote before Carlton were certain to take him where someone ratedf Kruezer higher. I guarantee you wont find one.
MinerBoy
30 Nov 2007, 15:09
Who the f**k would know. Neither has even played a game of AFL football. Obviously they are both terrific prospects which at the end of the day means precisely nothing.
Sherminator.
30 Nov 2007, 22:15
So is Leunberger's fitness.
Faster than Kruezer and has just a good as time.
Plus he doesn't get beaten by 196cm ruckman... :p
I'd like Cotchin, suits Brisbane's needs.
Jeremias
30 Nov 2007, 22:24
Cotch is going to play with his idol.........
For those who don't know he absoulatly loves Lids
Yeah, I'm sure that Kreuzer will be devastated about playing with Judd over the next few years...:rolleyes:
Yeah, I'm sure that Kreuzer will be devastated about playing with Judd over the next few years...:rolleyes:
He will certainly be playing with Judd, now we have proof that every Carlton supporter and player really wants to Suck Judd's c'ock, and he hasn't even played a game for them yet.:rolleyes:
Yo`DooR;9578746']Yet Hampson runs a faster 20 meter sprint time than Leuy... go figure ... its a cycle.
Yes, but Hampson isnt even close to Matty L.
Jeremias
1 Dec 2007, 19:25
He will certainly be playing with Judd, now we have proof that every Carlton supporter and player really wants to Suck Judd's c'ock, and he hasn't even played a game for them yet.:rolleyes:
You and your fellow Tugger supporters are like that with Tambling.
Judd has shown that he is a superstar. The only things that Tambo has shown for Richmond aren't flattering to their recruiting staff :o.
windyhill
1 Dec 2007, 19:28
Richmond win here.......
You and your fellow Tugger supporters are like that with Tambling.
Judd has shown that he is a superstar. The only things that Tambo has shown for Richmond aren't flattering to their recruiting staff :o.
We have players other than Tambling, we don't need to rely on one player in order to see a future, unlike all Carlton supporters who suck off every player they get before realising they can't actually play(SEE CAIN ACKLAND).
marcmurphy3
7 Dec 2007, 00:25
This whole thread is dumb because I can guarantee that at least 80% that have voted have not seen either play.
This whole thread is dumb because I can guarantee that at least 80% that have voted have not seen either play.
Oh, are you jealous that Kreuzer doesn't have a winning number of votes?;););)
I think it is commonly known among everyone that if Carlton and Richmond didn't need a ruckman right now that Cotchin would have been the No.1 pick, that and the fact he was injured during the Draft Camp meant that Kreuzer was taken with the No.1 pick.
marcmurphy3
7 Dec 2007, 23:45
Oh, are you jealous that Kreuzer doesn't have a winning number of votes?;););)
I think it is commonly known among everyone that if Carlton and Richmond didn't need a ruckman right now that Cotchin would have been the No.1 pick, that and the fact he was injured during the Draft Camp meant that Kreuzer was taken with the No.1 pick.
No. I'm not jealous. I would feel the same about such a poll if Kreuzer was winning.
You are also completely wrong on the other issue. Cotchin and Kreuzer were very close. Plenty of clubs would have chosen Kreuzer if given the choice. I know for a fact that we rated Kreuzer slightly ahead as the better player.
Bachar_Houli
8 Dec 2007, 12:28
The thing about Kruezer is he isn't a gun tap ruckman and isn't a gun forward. The reason why he was chosen at pick 1 was because he plays like a mid. I think he will be another Fraiser. I would take Cotchin anyday.
monumental stuff up by carlton
smiddaz123
14 Dec 2007, 09:52
The thing about Kruezer is he isn't a gun tap ruckman and isn't a gun forward. The reason why he was chosen at pick 1 was because he plays like a mid. I think he will be another Fraiser. I would take Cotchin anyday.
If they manage Kruezer properly he'll go further than Fraser.
Fraser's career was ruined because he was thrown into AFL football too soon and he's paying for it now with injuries.
Gilly1972
14 Dec 2007, 10:13
monumental stuff up by carlton
:D After the advice I just offered and you come out with a troll like this :p.
Not really. Don't believe the newspapers, our RD unanimously rated the big fella at #1. Rare to see the qualities he possesses with kids of 200cm. Also was a perfect fit for Carlton with the acquisition of Judd during trade week. I've seen Kreuz twice at training since and he has slotted straight in and looks the goods there too, apart from a few 'kinks' in his game that need ironing out he almost looks AFL ready. While personally I rated them both fairly evenly I think Carlton had to take the big fella when we had the chance.:thumbsu:
Gilly1972
14 Dec 2007, 10:14
The thing about Kruezer is he isn't a gun tap ruckman and isn't a gun forward. The reason why he was chosen at pick 1 was because he plays like a mid. I think he will be another Fraiser. I would take Cotchin anyday.
Fraser wouldn't have side-stepped Gibbs at training and made him look like a statue like Kreuz did the other day ;)
magpie_militia
14 Dec 2007, 14:18
Fraser wouldn't have side-stepped Gibbs at training and made him look like a statue like Kreuz did the other day ;)
Isn't that just saying how bad Gibbs really is? :)
Fraser wouldn't have side-stepped Gibbs at training and made him look like a statue like Kreuz did the other day ;)
We all know how good Gibbs is at looking like a statue on the field though.
bhorjus
15 Dec 2007, 09:35
I'd prefer Cotchin at Essendon.
The Dice Man
15 Dec 2007, 10:03
No. I'm not jealous. I would feel the same about such a poll if Kreuzer was winning.
You are also completely wrong on the other issue. Cotchin and Kreuzer were very close. Plenty of clubs would have chosen Kreuzer if given the choice. I know for a fact that we rated Kreuzer slightly ahead as the better player.
Wouldn't have been Calrton's taking the Vodka Cruiser with 1st pick that gives it away was it?
:rolleyes:
blues4flag
15 Dec 2007, 15:14
Why even start such a poll before either has even played a single AFL game? :confused: I'd be surprised if even 10% of those who voted had seen either play at all besides a game in the U18 championships.
Coughlan
15 Dec 2007, 15:23
Fraser wouldn't have side-stepped Gibbs at training and made him look like a statue like Kreuz did the other day ;)
Gibbs was probably scared and jumped in the opposite direction.
He is scared of Milne after all.
TheGeneral
15 Dec 2007, 23:46
Why even start such a poll before either has even played a single AFL game? :confused: I'd be surprised if even 10% of those who voted had seen either play at all besides a game in the U18 championships.
It's just jealous Tigers fans who wanted Kreuzer and are in denial after they became the first spooner to have the second pick. Losing the player who played the best game of TAC football ever seen according to Michael Turner has cut them deep.
Richmond were prepared to trade their first three picks to get Judd.
That shows how much respect they had for Cotchin.
blaisee
16 Dec 2007, 11:01
Fraser wouldn't have side-stepped Gibbs at training and made him look like a statue like Kreuz did the other day ;)
sorry gilly :o
blaisee
16 Dec 2007, 11:03
:D After the advice I just offered and you come out with a troll like this :p.
.:thumbsu:
sorry gilly :o
this was before our chat:)