View Full Version : Schneider + Dempster = Meredith?!
Sanecow
28 Nov 2007, 11:13
I just rewatched 'Shake Down the Thunder' last night and the Schneider and Dempster highlights have got me twitching nervously. Without any doubt, there will be some regret over trading these two Premiership players for a kid from Bundoora who might never play a game in the Seniors. Hopefully he will prove me wrong and win the Norm Smith in five years but that would be in stark contrast to the truckload of youngsters we've been turning over in the last few years (some without a game to their name).
I am all for introducing some younger players but casting this move as "restructuring" is BS. It would be acceptable if it involved delisting or trading some old or truly dud players but Schneider and Dempster are neither. If you cut through the BS, the one benefit Meredith presents over Dempster and Schneider is that he costs less.
I give this trade :thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd:.
Bloods boy from the Bush
28 Nov 2007, 11:27
I do agree this trade does seem a bit lop sided but I do believe it was mainly a salary cap issue and lets face it Schnider and Demster had stagnated alot in the past 2 seasons Schniders best season to date was by far his first and not only has he not gone on with that he hasn't even been able to match it. As for Dempster he has been struggling to cement a place in the senior side his whole career not tall enough to be a KPP not good enough to play in the midfield he strikes me as just a spare parts player.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying young Meredith is going to be a star as you say he may not even play senior football but he can play and is a very talented young midfielder. He was somewhat overshadowed by his more high profile teamates this year (Kruezer, Cotchin, Grimes & Our very own Veszpremi) but towards the end the season he showed why at 16 he was preffered to all of those as the only 16 old to play TAC Cup for the Knights in '05.
It might seem a little baffling to trade two premiership players for a second round draft pick but in terms of Salary cap it is far better value to play an unproven 18 year old who may be a star (May not aswell) over two players who have shown little to no improvements in three years.
bloods01
28 Nov 2007, 11:59
As the previous guy said Roosy's hands were tied and with the re-signing of Jolly something had to give. It was Schneider and Dempster. That's the business of football. Hopefully Meredith can be a valuable contributor for us in years to come.
It was basically Scneids for Meredith , I hope he's good cause we all loved scneids!!!!!!!!!!!
bedford
28 Nov 2007, 20:07
i hope we are not helping the scum get their second flag in 150 years
SOPH_CROSS
28 Nov 2007, 21:09
still dont believe its true
rancidpants13
28 Nov 2007, 21:23
still dont believe its true
now now, ms Very, we've been through all this
schneids has sacrificed himself on the altar of the church of the mighty swans
and we love him and will never forget him
Cheer Red Blood
28 Nov 2007, 21:32
As for Dempster he has been struggling to cement a place in the senior side his whole career not tall enough to be a KPP not good enough to play in the midfield he strikes me as just a spare parts player.
Sounds like Brennan to me. But at least Dempster can kick.
This trade will look very, very bad to us in a few years.
SOPH_CROSS
28 Nov 2007, 21:43
now now, ms Very, we've been through all this
schneids has sacrificed himself on the altar of the church of the mighty swans
and we love him and will never forget him
Only when he tell me himself that he is all ok then ill be ok
or even a hug from u telling me "there there its all going 2 be fine"
but this isnt going 2 happen anything soon is it :(
This trade will look very, very bad to us in a few years.
Can I borrow your crystal ball for next weeks Lotto numbers?
Sanecow
29 Nov 2007, 11:39
Can I borrow your crystal ball for next weeks Lotto numbers?
Roos referred to information released by Champion Data that concluded that pick No.10 in the AFL draft averaged just over 30 games for their career.
Betting against Meredith outperforming Schneider and / or Dempster is a much better bet than Lotto!
macca69
29 Nov 2007, 12:50
The trade is effectively Schneider + Dempster for Mattner IMO.
If you did neither of there would be every chance you would have ended up with Meredith. No need to lump all this extra expectation on the kid.
rancidpants13
2 Dec 2007, 20:31
Only when he tell me himself that he is all ok then ill be ok
or even a hug from u telling me "there there its all going 2 be fine"
but this isnt going 2 happen anything soon is it :(
a hug from WHO????
SOPH_CROSS
2 Dec 2007, 21:07
a hug from WHO????
from you telling me its all going 2 be ok
rancidpants13
2 Dec 2007, 21:24
from you telling me its all going 2 be ok
well, it IS all gonna be okay....as for the hug, i'm allergic to them
but it's gonna be okay, ma'am....
SOPH_CROSS
3 Dec 2007, 06:08
well, it IS all gonna be okay....as for the hug, i'm allergic to them
but it's gonna be okay, ma'am....
Ha ha u wuss u have a weak side ill crack it
astro_toby
3 Dec 2007, 10:20
still can't believe you guys traded those two so cheaply - to a side who are in a similar playing ability to yourselves - you and the saints will definitely be fighting it out for a spot in the top 8, and probably the lower half of it - you just gave them a "free" leg up:confused:
if it was a matter of salary cap - seriously - how much could those 2 blokes be getting paid? can't be a huge amount - and where is all the money in your cap going? you are a very even side, with only a few players which would command massiveve cash - quite a few of which will retire in the next 2 years (hall, everitt, O'loughlin, Kennelly, crouch, kirk, Barry, matthews ) - it is still a very baffling trade indeed:confused:
if it was a matter of salary cap - seriously - how much could those 2 blokes be getting paid?
You'd have to assume it was more than they are worth!
astro_toby
3 Dec 2007, 12:36
You'd have to assume it was more than they are worth!
i look at ur list and i really dont see how u needed to get rid of those two guys so desperately needed to cut those two blokes
i look at ur list and i really dont see how u needed to get rid of those two guys so desperately needed to cut those two blokes
If Jolly wanted more money, it had to be dug up somewhere. Trading Schneider and Dempster for a semi-decent draft pick must have seemed more attractive than delisting Mathews / Bolton / Crouch / Bevan or any of the other players past their prime for nothing. But I tend to agree that with the list Sydney has, there should be some salary cap space even once everyone is signed up.
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 16:19
Ha ha u wuss u have a weak side ill crack it
yeah yeah
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 16:26
i look at ur list and i really dont see how u needed to get rid of those two guys so desperately needed to cut those two blokes
without knowing any details, and i'm really just speculating, schneider and dempster were premiership players who i'm guessing would have been seeking upgrades on contracts signed pre-2005....dempster has continually disappointed at senior level, and been in and out of the side, while schneider, while being a more regular senior players, also had his flaws ... in schneids' case, he was probably the most attractive from st kilda/ross lyon's point of view of the three (schneider, buchanan, j bolton) the swans reportedly put on the table during trade week
the swans would believe they had several players in the club capable of filling the roles of both schneider and dempster and you seem to rate them a lot higher than what their career deeds would demand
ssfc0203
3 Dec 2007, 19:08
without knowing any details, and i'm really just speculating, schneider and dempster were premiership players who i'm guessing would have been seeking upgrades on contracts signed pre-2005....dempster has continually disappointed at senior level, and been in and out of the side, while schneider, while being a more regular senior players, also had his flaws ... in schneids' case, he was probably the most attractive from st kilda/ross lyon's point of view of the three (schneider, buchanan, j bolton) the swans reportedly put on the table during trade week
the swans would believe they had several players in the club capable of filling the roles of both schneider and dempster and you seem to rate them a lot higher than what their career deeds would demand
I see Buchanan as a more attractive prospect than Schneider, though
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 19:47
I see Buchanan as a more attractive prospect than Schneider, though
to the swans, yes, to your good self, yes, and to me, certainly....but not necessarily to lyon and the saints...for whatever reasons
My opinion is that Schneider is traded because of Moore's sake. The coaching probably thinks that only one of team can be on the team and they decided to go with the cheaper option.
If salary cap was really that big of a deal, we would not have picked up two recycled players in Mattner and Playfair (who will be a lot more expensive than rookies), nor would we have gave Jude a raise. I still think that this trade will hurt us further down the track.
Tapping Matthews to retire and divide his remaining salary in the salary cap for the next 10 years would have done the job instead :p
ssfc0203
3 Dec 2007, 20:22
to the swans, yes, to your good self, yes, and to me, certainly....but not necessarily to lyon and the saints...for whatever reasons
It's St Kilda, after all
You have to allow a certain degree of clouded judgement. Look at that positively delightful St Kildian in the Paul Bexan Thread.
Clouded ;)
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 20:44
My opinion is that Schneider is traded because of Moore's sake. The coaching probably thinks that only one of team can be on the team and they decided to go with the cheaper option.
If salary cap was really that big of a deal, we would not have picked up two recycled players in Mattner and Playfair (who will be a lot more expensive than rookies), nor would we have gave Jude a raise. I still think that this trade will hurt us further down the track.
Tapping Matthews to retire and divide his remaining salary in the salary cap for the next 10 years would have done the job instead :p
mathews AND crouch
mathews AND crouch
and mcveigh
SOPH_CROSS
3 Dec 2007, 21:03
i still cant believe it...probs wont till i die or until i marry a Saint...hopefully Schneider
is2SWaNz
3 Dec 2007, 21:04
and mcveigh
awww... give mcveigh some time.
awww... give mcveigh some time.
he's had enough,
the worst part is that schneider was a ten times better player than mcveigh.
i'll say it once again,if he wasn't from sydney we wouldn't have drafted him,you only have to go back in that draft and see who was behind him.
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 21:28
awww... give mcveigh some time.
i'm happy to give him some free time
in fact, as much free time as he wants from, say, next march
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 21:29
i still cant believe it...probs wont till i die or until i marry a Saint...hopefully Schneider
"marry a saint"????
SOPH_CROSS
3 Dec 2007, 21:30
"marry a saint"????
dont worry it wont be Fraser Gerhig
is2SWaNz
3 Dec 2007, 21:44
he's had enough,
the worst part is that schneider was a ten times better player than mcveigh.
i'll say it once again,if he wasn't from sydney we wouldn't have drafted him,you only have to go back in that draft and see who was behind him.
I admit that McVeigh hasn't been playing as well as we all hoped, but time will only tell. He's only 22 years of age and when Buchanan was 22, he played very good footy (ala 2005-2006).
i'm happy to give him some free time
in fact, as much free time as he wants from, say, next march
At least you've given him some time because I have faith in him. Obviously his brother is a better player and with that motivation, McVague will turn into McValiant :D. He could be an important player for the Sydney Swans in the future!!!
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 21:50
I admit that McVeigh hasn't been playing as well as we all hoped, but time will only tell. He's only 22 years of age and when Buchanan was 22, he played very good footy (ala 2005-2006).
At least you've given him some time because I have faith in him. Obviously his brother is a better player and with that motivation, McVague will turn into McValiant :D. He could be an important player for the Sydney Swans in the future!!!
he could indeed....especially as part of a trade
is2SWaNz
3 Dec 2007, 21:51
he could indeed....especially as part of a trade
Don't twist up my point rancidpants!
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 22:06
Don't twist up my point rancidpants!
now that just sounds dodgy....i am not a twister of points, ma'am
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 22:07
now that just sounds dodgy....i am not a twister of points, ma'am
and that's enough music for now, lads.....
is2SWaNz
3 Dec 2007, 22:14
now that just sounds dodgy....i am not a twister of points, ma'am
Dodgy? :confused:
Either way, he'll be of great importance to the Sydney Swans team. Go McVague!!! :)
rancidpants13
3 Dec 2007, 22:17
Dodgy? :confused:
Either way, he'll be of great importance to the Sydney Swans team. Go McVague!!! :)
yes, McVague....go....just go
is2SWaNz
3 Dec 2007, 22:28
yes, McVague....go....just go
There you go again! Twisting my post... :cool: