View Full Version : Buddy or Deledio
LuKe2428
29 Nov 2007, 11:43
who do u think will be better??
DynamoUltra
29 Nov 2007, 17:31
Even got pick 1 wrong, let alone 4.
dutchy12
29 Nov 2007, 18:06
Buddy IMO has reached his potential and will have a succesfull career whislt Delidio just has more of an x factor to his game so I will go with the later
Richo83
29 Nov 2007, 19:12
Deledio will improve much more. Remember he's still a kid trying to find his feet, he's had an up and down start to his career.
Thing is, I'd take buddy over most if not any young player so lids isn't really disgraced. Better than Cooney, Murphey, Griffen, Pendlebury, McLeam etc.
philhawk
29 Nov 2007, 21:36
Yes, at the ripe old age of 20, Buddy has little room for improvement and has 'reached his potential'.
Did I mention that he's also a key position player? Clearly they develop faster than midfielders.
Lids has the potential to be a 20-30 disposal, 2-3 goal per game sort of player, and with the devastating effect of his disposal it is more than likely through those disposals he would create another 5-6 goals.
Buddy is a Forward but not much else, he wont go back or in the middle so will more than likely have to be molded to become a lead up CHF, in the type of Brown, Riewoldt or Pavlich, only with a bit less versatility.
That being said they are both the same age and have tons of improvement to go, unless Buddy slips up off field...again.
mitchzz
29 Nov 2007, 22:21
Buddy.
Metallica_Man
29 Nov 2007, 22:27
Buddy by about as much as Geelong won the flag...
Flashhh
29 Nov 2007, 22:39
Lance Franklin. Surprised a Richmond supporter started it. Thought it was a Hawk tryna be smart.
But yeh seriously Franklin is better than most, if not all, youngsters out there.
hendo8888
29 Nov 2007, 22:53
how bout a richmond fan come back with whos better boyle or Foley
it would be just as relevant
MinerBoy
30 Nov 2007, 15:18
Yes, at the ripe old age of 20, Buddy has little room for improvement and has 'reached his potential'.
Did I mention that he's also a key position player? Clearly they develop faster than midfielders.
Not to mention that Lids won the rising star and yet has stagnated a little since. It seems Buddy has shown a greater ability to take his game up a notch as their careers progress.
one_twelve112
30 Nov 2007, 16:30
Buddy easily....but thanks for the laugh.
Not to mention that Lids won the rising star and yet has stagnated a little since. It seems Buddy has shown a greater ability to take his game up a notch as their careers progress.
How has Deledio stagnated, it is all a media beat up that Deledio hasn't done much, he had about 3-4 poor games this year, most likely the same or less than Buddy.
The fact is when Deledio gets the ball he is creating around 3-4 goals with his sublime disposal and smarts, all Buddy is doing is the opposite, he is receiving the sublime disposal and getting the goals, but Deledio will still end up with 1-2 goals as well as helping create 3-4.
mattdwyer
30 Nov 2007, 22:00
if deledio was playing in a succesfull team and buddy was playing for a bottom team then would people's opinion's be any different ?? just wondering .. ordinary players can look pretty good in a succesfull team .. perfect example Cameron Ling !! ...
Jeremias
30 Nov 2007, 22:31
Buddy by that much that it's not even a joke.
Richmond made 2 mistakes that early in the draft. Buddy is the best player to come out of that draft by a very long way. Of course, they're still happy with Richie "pulled a heart string" Tambo.
mulhollanddrive
30 Nov 2007, 22:52
Sometimes the most insignificant things bring us great insight into how the human mind works.
Metallica_Man
30 Nov 2007, 22:53
if deledio was playing in a succesfull team and buddy was playing for a bottom team then would people's opinion's be any different ?? just wondering .. ordinary players can look pretty good in a succesfull team .. perfect example Cameron Ling !! ...
People can look and sound like idiots when they don't watch very much footy...perfect example is YOU!
Buddy by that much that it's not even a joke.
Richmond made 2 mistakes that early in the draft. Buddy is the best player to come out of that draft by a very long way. Of course, they're still happy with Richie "pulled a heart string" Tambo.
So you are saying that 3 years ago you were picketing for Franklin to be pick No.1, anyway you will find out what it is like to have players taken after the No.1 pick turn into far better players than that taken with No.1.
Cotchin>>>Kreuzer.
BABYBOMBERS2007
1 Dec 2007, 08:40
Who are the stupid people voting for Deledio?
Franklin=star
Deledio=average at best
Stupid, stupid thread. Franklin is sooooooo far ahead of Deledio.
Of course a stupid Richmond supporter created this thread.
Simon_Nesbit
1 Dec 2007, 09:39
Surely it's a Hawthorn troll in disguise?
Franklin @ 20 = performance equivalent or better to Pavlich, Brown, Riewoldt, etc at same age.
Deledio @ 20 = anywhere near the top 5? Didn't think so.
Palmer Stoat
1 Dec 2007, 11:22
Jeez, I can't believe the vote is this close. Must be more Richmond supporters on this site than I thought.
TheGeneral
1 Dec 2007, 13:26
Even got pick 1 wrong, let alone 4.
I guess this means the Hawks stuffed up when they picked Roughead ahead of Griffen. :rolleyes:
Roughead is a good player but he isn't in Griffen's class.
You would have drafted Deledio if you had pick one.
The Hawks anted to draft Tambling at four if my serves me. ;)
Yes, at the ripe old age of 20, Buddy has little room for improvement and has 'reached his potential'.
And Deledio has reached his potential?
Deledio's match winning game against Collingwood when he kicked five goals playing forward and scored two Brownlow votes was as exciting as Franklin's best. Deledio is a freak and a gun, Richmond didn't stuff anything up because they drafted a 200 game player and a match winner.
Hawthorn fans need to keep their fingers crossed that Franklin keeps his feet on the ground.
I've never heard of any other young footballers who have been given chaperones to keep them out of trouble.
We know Deledio isn't immature.
Did I mention that he's also a key position player? Clearly they develop faster than midfielders.
If only it was that easy and every player developed at the same rate.
Ryder has developed faster than Ellis and Dowler and is playing in a key position in his second year.
Maybe you stuffed up? :thumbsu:
philhawk
1 Dec 2007, 15:53
I guess this means the Hawks stuffed up when they picked Roughead ahead of Griffen. :rolleyes:
Yeh, 40 goals for a 20 year old key position player is really stuffing up. :o
Roughead is a good player but he isn't in Griffen's class.
Your opinion, but most Hawk fans wouldn't trade Roughie for Griffen.
You would have drafted Deledio if you had pick one.
Your point? Hawthorn didn't tank unlike 'some' other teams - and despite that, were still able to pick up three of the best players in that draft.
The Hawks anted to draft Tambling at four if my serves me. ;)
And Deledio has reached his potential?
Did anyone said he had? You're going in circles.
Deledio's match winning game against Collingwood when he kicked five goals playing forward and scored two Brownlow votes was as exciting as Franklin's best. Deledio is a freak and a gun, Richmond didn't stuff anything up because they drafted a 200 game player and a match winner.
Are you trying to get somewhere with your argument? Noone said he didn't have talent.
The fact is he doesn't have the consistency of many other players in the same draft as him.
I think you'll find 99% of AFL fans would take a 7-goal match-winning performance in a final vs a 5 goal 'once in a blue-moon' performance.
Hawthorn fans need to keep their fingers crossed that Franklin keeps his feet on the ground.
Last time I checked, there was nothing to suggest that peoples 'concern' about Franklin is different to the concern fans have for any other twenty year old.
I've never heard of any other young footballers who have been given chaperones to keep them out of trouble.
Maybe they should? Maybe Fevola wouldn't be such a nuisance off the field if he did have a chaperone. :)
We know Deledio isn't immature.
Good on him. So was Mark Bolton. Lets hope the comparison ends there.
If only it was that easy and every player developed at the same rate.
Er, again you're moving in circles.
It's been fairly obvious to note over the years that key position players develop slower than midfielders. The fact that Franklin has exploded onto the scene alot faster than Deledio suggests a much larger scope for improvement given the kind of player he is.
Ryder has developed faster than Ellis and Dowler and is playing in a key position in his second year.
Er, what does that have to do with this thread? Again, most Hawk fans are happy with the drafting of both Ellis and Dowler.
Maybe you stuffed up? :thumbsu:
Maybe we did, but our mistake would be no greater than drafting Gibbs before Selwood or Kennedy before Pendlebury.
:):thumbsu:
Philhawk, as a mod I'm sure you're well versed on what makes a good player and what doesn't, and what young players should be doing and developing.
At 20 years of age and after only 3 yrs, Deledio is progressing quite well. Remember last year, people had the same issues with Cooney, yet he has developed quite well this year and IMO will develop into a dangerous player.
Franklin does look more impressive than Deledio I'll give you that, but that doesn't mean that Deledio wont become something nor is he a failed pick. IMO Deledio will play 200 games, he will become an elite midfielder comparable to Peter Burgoyne and he will shake the dud pick claims. All IMO but Deledio will become what he should be. This season he has struggled with consistency but a lot 3rd year midfielders do, it's not unusual.
RECORDS!
1 Dec 2007, 22:39
If you take into account the fact that Buddy will probably spend more time on the sidelines in the future (1 more morning of forgetting his diuretics and he could be in trouble) then the argument should be more even than most are saying. With Deledio you know you are going to get a disciplined goal kicking midfielder who will play for 10 yrs at least. With Buddy......... well you just don't know what you are going to get. Going by on field performances alone then Buddy is easily ahead, but if Buddy is sitting on the sidelines, then Deledio does not have to be doing much to be going better than him, does he?
crawf_legend
2 Dec 2007, 00:49
Buddy. Deledio is now a dud.
mattdwyer
2 Dec 2007, 21:20
People can look and sound like idiots when they don't watch very much footy...perfect example is YOU!
mate, seriously .. honestly .. you cant tell me that cameron ling is a good footballer !! i love the cats and love the way they play and love lingy as a person on the footy show and in the media .. but he stinks playing football .. awesome when he kicks goals though .. but around the ground .. he's a shocker
MinerBoy
3 Dec 2007, 08:06
How has Deledio stagnated, it is all a media beat up that Deledio hasn't done much, he had about 3-4 poor games this year, most likely the same or less than Buddy.
The fact is when Deledio gets the ball he is creating around 3-4 goals with his sublime disposal and smarts, all Buddy is doing is the opposite, he is receiving the sublime disposal and getting the goals, but Deledio will still end up with 1-2 goals as well as helping create 3-4.
Please. Deledio is creating or kicking between 5-7 goals a game. And yet Richmond still can't win a game. Come on.
if deledio was playing in a succesfull team and buddy was playing for a bottom team then would people's opinion's be any different ?? just wondering .. ordinary players can look pretty good in a succesfull team .. perfect example Cameron Ling !! ...
Both players were drafted to bottom teams. One player had helped impact his team enough to see it climb off the bottom.
beaver fever
3 Dec 2007, 17:15
Both players were drafted to bottom teams. One player had helped impact his team enough to see it climb off the bottom.
That is such a simplistic way to look at it. Ladder position has no correlation to player development.
Example Geelong season 2006: tenth
season 2007: first
tiger trooper
3 Dec 2007, 17:30
i think you should ask this question next year.
ATM buddy>>>>deledio.
But if lids had a awesome year and 'exploded' while buddy only had an average at best year would opininions change?
Jeremias
4 Dec 2007, 00:02
i think you should ask this question next year.
What would be the point in that? The question is who do you think will be better, and that's obviously on what we have seen so far. In that case, the answer is Buddy, and by a fairly large margin, too. Asking for this question to be put forward next year makes your answer fairly obvious.
ATM buddy>>>>deledio.
And that's what the OP was looking for - a straight answer.
But if lids had a awesome year and 'exploded' while buddy only had an average at best year would opininions change?
Maybe, maybe not. Is that relevant? No, not at all.
Metallica_Man
4 Dec 2007, 12:00
mate, seriously .. honestly .. you cant tell me that cameron ling is a good footballer !! i love the cats and love the way they play and love lingy as a person on the footy show and in the media .. but he stinks playing football .. awesome when he kicks goals though .. but around the ground .. he's a shocker
Because he is a tagger...the best in the league at that.
We don't expect him to be all flashy and crap, we just want him to stop the oppositions best midfielder, which he does extremely well, as well as getting the ball heaps and kicking plenty of goals
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2057/resultjn6bx8.jpg
:thumbsu:
Your point? Hawthorn didn't tank unlike 'some' other teams - and despite that, were still able to pick up three of the best players in that draft.
That really depends on your definition of tanking. Hawthorn clearly had a policy of going for youth / draft picks at the expense of short term success. This in many books is tanking.
hawks_legends
7 Dec 2007, 23:40
Buddy Franklin :thumbsu:
Hawkie_McHawkHawk
13 Dec 2007, 18:30
That really depends on your definition of tanking. Hawthorn clearly had a policy of going for youth / draft picks at the expense of short term success. This in many books is tanking.
Yes but if memory serves we didnt lose 10 or 11 on the trot in effort to get the best picks. Finishing low was a product of our game plan, unlike Carlton, who just threw in the towel.
Hawks 08
13 Dec 2007, 22:57
This is almost ridiculous as the Murphy or Cloke poll.
Buddy has shown he will be a star.
Key position players are more valuable.
LuKe2428
14 Dec 2007, 07:33
so then why didnt hawthorn pick buddy with there first pick in the draft??? everyone would have drafted deledio first in that draft everyone knows it
just wait till 2008 deledio will get 15 brownlow votes dnt u worry
BABYBOMBERS2007
14 Dec 2007, 21:03
so then why didnt hawthorn pick buddy with there first pick in the draft??? everyone would have drafted deledio first in that draft everyone knows it
just wait till 2008 deledio will get 15 brownlow votes dnt u worry
Stupidest comment I have heard in a long time.
who do u think will be better??
Deledio has given us nothing, Buddy has given us something!
Coughlan
15 Dec 2007, 15:25
Deledio has given us nothing, Buddy has given us something!
As a Collingwood supporter I would have thought you would be aware of Deledio's ability, or have you erased it from you're memory?
As a Collingwood supporter I would have thought you would be aware of Deledio's ability, or have you erased it from you're memory?
Sorry mate, I forgot about that one good game in 3-4 years.
Buddy by the length of Bass Strait. Obsurd thread.
PS: Why would I erase it? I didn't care, we lost, Deledio played well, shit happens. Didn't really mean much. I was happy to save my fanfar for the FINALS.
Nightwolf
16 Dec 2007, 21:48
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2057/resultjn6bx8.jpg
:thumbsu:
That right there is one hell of a picture. I love it..
LuKe2428
2 Jan 2008, 11:15
i dnt see why carlton so called supporters can bag richmnod seeing that they pick gibbs with pick 1 kruzer over cotchin with pick 1 and they try bag richmond haha funny stuff
i dnt see why carlton so called supporters can bag richmnod seeing that they pick gibbs with pick 1 kruzer over cotchin with pick 1 and they try bag richmond haha funny stuff
that made absolutely no sense. Are you referring to gibbs or kruezer at pick 1?
BTW. There was a poll on the richmond board saying that if Kruezer and Cotchin were available then who would they pick? I think 80% or so said Kruezer