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Buster the hawk
3 Dec 2007, 07:00
The Power only had one person (Dan McKenna) drafted into the AFL this year.To put that into perspective ,it means that out of a squad of 35 players ,34 were just making up numbers ,yet these guys would've hardly represented their local club during the year ,they wonder why country football is in the doldrums ATM.If you are good enough ,you can still try out for a rookie spot via a country league and they draft people straight out of Ireland having never even played the game ,makes you wonder whether the TAC cup is worth the damage it does out in the country.
Budda 230
3 Dec 2007, 07:24
Of the 69 players drafted this year, 50.72% (35 players) were drafted directly from TAC clubs. 56.52% (39 players) have played TAC Cup footy.
Another 30-40 kids from the TAC Comp will be picked up in the PSD and rookie drafts in the next week or so.
TAC Cup = successful. It is definitely worth the so called "damage" to country clubs. Everyone is entitled their shot at the big league. The TAC Cup is the best way to get yourself noticed.
bigpapagman
3 Dec 2007, 07:33
if you are a midfielder.
Budda 230
3 Dec 2007, 07:54
if you are a midfielder.
In what way?
bigpapagman
3 Dec 2007, 08:49
didnt you know its called the midfielders cup?
especially @ u/15 & 16 level, they pick players based on best available & not the best player to suit a position.
instead of picking a full forward, they pick another tallish midfielder.
and your full back is your best defensive midfielder.
not so much at the u18s, coz kids grow in that period. but if they picked the best player for a position, someone like adam cook would have gone through the power system & not been ignored.
Budda 230
3 Dec 2007, 09:05
didnt you know its called the midfielders cup?
especially @ u/15 & 16 level, they pick players based on best available & not the best player to suit a position.
instead of picking a full forward, they pick another tallish midfielder.
and your full back is your best defensive midfielder.
not so much at the u18s, coz kids grow in that period. but if they picked the best player for a position, someone like adam cook would have gone through the power system & not been ignored.
I agree with parts of that. The system as been fixed up alot now though. AFL Victoria have really got their arses into gear to ensure it doesn't happen as much. Adam Cook wouldn't have made it anyway. Still goes quiet in the Willy 2nds!
The biggest issue at the moment is that pure footballers are being overlooked for the "athletic" type. TAC clubs are ignoring players who are performing as juniors and spending too much time on kids that are 6 foot 4, run 3km in under 11 min and do a 20 metre sprint in under 3 sec. There are more of these "athletic" types that are failing than people realise.
saint leo
3 Dec 2007, 09:09
I think the AFL clubs are starting to realise that if ya not an "athlete" ya can still make it. Look at Sam Mitchell and Nathan Foley, they had to go on rookie lists but still made it so anyone can get there if they are good enough.
bigpapagman
3 Dec 2007, 09:28
yeah, but im saying, if Adam had have been going through the power system instead of hanging around drouin drinking piss, theres no reason why he couldnt have made it.
I agree with parts of that. The system as been fixed up alot now though. AFL Victoria have really got their arses into gear to ensure it doesn't happen as much. Adam Cook wouldn't have made it anyway. Still goes quiet in the Willy 2nds!
The biggest issue at the moment is that pure footballers are being overlooked for the "athletic" type. TAC clubs are ignoring players who are performing as juniors and spending too much time on kids that are 6 foot 4, run 3km in under 11 sec and do a 20 metre sprint in under 3 sec. There are more of these "athletic" types that are failing than people realise.
Holy Crap, if there's anyone who can do that sign 'em up sight unseen, who cares if they can play footy or not!!!:D
Budda 230
3 Dec 2007, 09:41
Holy Crap, if there's anyone who can do that sign 'em up sight unseen, who cares if they can play footy or not!!!:D
Haha, yes. That would be a fair effort.:D
Budda 230
3 Dec 2007, 09:43
yeah, but im saying, if Adam had have been going through the power system instead of hanging around drouin drinking piss, theres no reason why he couldnt have made it.
But he isn't really that good..... Too short for that level anyway.
bigpapagman
3 Dec 2007, 09:45
i'd give it a fair crack.
I think the AFL clubs are starting to realise that if ya not an "athlete" ya can still make it. Look at Sam Mitchell and Nathan Foley, they had to go on rookie lists but still made it so anyone can get there if they are good enough.
I think it is fair to say that if you're not an athlete you can't make it, today moreso than ever.
Nathan Foley and Sam Mitchell are both very good athletes, anyone who can run out an AFL game as a starting midfielder is a very good athlete.
I reckon the reason those two were overlooked is because they are rovers. Every year there are a couple of hundred rovers to choose from and very few are taken, its not unusual that a couple slip through.
bigpapagman
3 Dec 2007, 11:38
what gives me the shits is that we're never going to see another tony lockett mould player, they might have all the talent in the world, but they would never make it through screening.....given the oppurtunity, they could kick 100 goals. but they would never even see a power training. that's the flaw of the TAC cup in my opinion.
25-30 years ago, someone like Owen Fitzpatrick could have been put through the right channels from day dot, and been a gun Full Forward, but these days, his sort of player just isnt what the AFL wants.
Budda 230
3 Dec 2007, 12:23
what gives me the shits is that we're never going to see another tony lockett mould player, they might have all the talent in the world, but they would never make it through screening.....given the oppurtunity, they could kick 100 goals. but they would never even see a power training. that's the flaw of the TAC cup in my opinion.
25-30 years ago, someone like Owen Fitzpatrick could have been put through the right channels from day dot, and been a gun Full Forward, but these days, his sort of player just isnt what the AFL wants.
Tom Hawkins? He is as close as you are going to get. "Fat" full forwards can't make it at the higher level now. The game has become too fast and demanding. Teams have been trying to recruit these types, but unless they have some agility they can't cope. Billy Morrison and Michael West are great examples of this.
Owen Fitzpatrick couldn't get a kick in school footy 4 years ago! He is just a late developer.
bigpapagman
3 Dec 2007, 12:41
you understand what im geting at though yeah?
Budda 230
3 Dec 2007, 13:03
Yeah, I get what you are saying, but the game has changed so much that there are some player types that will never play AFL again. So I sort of disagree with you in a way.
bigpapagman
3 Dec 2007, 13:10
okay......
longworrytheonlywaytogo
3 Dec 2007, 14:28
what gives me the shits is that we're never going to see another tony lockett mould player, they might have all the talent in the world, but they would never make it through screening.....given the oppurtunity, they could kick 100 goals. but they would never even see a power training. that's the flaw of the TAC cup in my opinion.
25-30 years ago, someone like Owen Fitzpatrick could have been put through the right channels from day dot, and been a gun Full Forward, but these days, his sort of player just isnt what the AFL wants.
totally agree with this post bigpapagman your right on the money there
bigpapagman
3 Dec 2007, 14:53
Thankyou Brody.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
3 Dec 2007, 18:20
i belive cooky was robbed i agree with budda about owen fitzpatrick not blooming until recently he was never any good in school footy
Tom Hawkins? He is as close as you are going to get. "Fat" full forwards can't make it at the higher level now. The game has become too fast and demanding. Teams have been trying to recruit these types, but unless they have some agility they can't cope. Billy Morrison and Michael West are great examples of this.
Owen Fitzpatrick couldn't get a kick in school footy 4 years ago! He is just a late developer.
With regard to fat full fowards being given a chance at the eite level it just doesn't happen unless your old man was a champion i.e Jay Nagle.
bigpapagman
4 Dec 2007, 06:08
or Tom Hawkins.
has Tony Lockett got a kid?
what about Dunstall?
Buster the hawk
4 Dec 2007, 07:33
The AFL only drafts athletes these days which explains why someone from oversees can get drafted not even having the game.Makes for the modern day style of footy we now see in the afl but does that make it a better game? I personally think that the spectacle nowdays is not what it was when we had pure power KPP forwards like Lockett ,Dunstall ,Abblett and Carey.I doubt with the game in it's current form that we will ever see players like that again with all the emphasise on how fast somebody can run and for how long.Being a Hawk supporter ,i'll use Franklin as an example.Buddy is a great player but sometimes you think watching him play it's just as well he is so tall because he doesn't seem to have much idea on how to position his body to take a strong mark compared to the way Dunstall used to go about his work.
saint leo
4 Dec 2007, 07:44
Tom Hawkins would have been top 10 if it wasnt father son, but he is also a good athlete. I agree the system has major problems, blokes like O Fitz would have dominated power at FF i reckon but its not all about winning for them. No body in the AFL takes a contested mark these days because no body does in the u/18, its not the style they play.
bigpapagman
4 Dec 2007, 07:56
Tom Hawkins would have been top 10 if it wasnt father son, but he is also a good athlete. I agree the system has major problems, blokes like O Fitz would have dominated power at FF i reckon but its not all about winning for them. No body in the AFL takes a contested mark these days because no body does in the u/18, its not the style they play.
not all about winning?
saint leo
4 Dec 2007, 08:04
Gippsland power would have more chance of winning with something like Owey at FF when he was 18, but he would never get through the training to get a game cos he would never be fit enough for AFL.
bigpapagman
4 Dec 2007, 08:35
yeah good point. if they had have had a FF instead of a makeshift bloke who was an athlete who could kick or whatever....... the side would have been much more successful, but it would have been pointless him playing; as he would be playing in the VFL twos now going nowhere!
Budda 230
4 Dec 2007, 08:53
Gippsland power would have more chance of winning with something like Owey at FF when he was 18, but he would never get through the training to get a game cos he would never be fit enough for AFL.
No they wouldn't have. Owey at 17 wasn't anything near the player he is now. I kicked 3 goals on him from CHB in my last year of thirds. His work rate was terrible. He really struggled to get a kick.
saint leo
4 Dec 2007, 08:58
He was best on ground as an U/18 in a senior premiership. Its just an example but as an u/18 he would have been a better FF then most the blokes they play there.
bigpapagman
4 Dec 2007, 10:02
agreed for sure, leo.
Budda 230
4 Dec 2007, 11:37
You guys are really overrating the standard of country footy compared to AFL and state leagues. Talented KPP kids don't get overlooked for TAC.
bigpapagman
4 Dec 2007, 11:38
not at all.
what about bryce monahan? never really got a look in to power after u/16 level?
Budda 230
4 Dec 2007, 12:33
He obviously wasn't good enough.
bigpapagman
4 Dec 2007, 12:39
clearly he was.
he just wasnt a midfielder.
and the fact we had:-
Joel Morgan
Zac Vansittart
Kael Bergles
Ben Jostlear
Tim McGibney
Bernard Jones
Dave Jenkins
Brad Hogan
all in power that year probably didnt help.
Budda 230
4 Dec 2007, 12:41
Clearly he wasn't. Couldn't get a game.
bigpapagman
4 Dec 2007, 13:06
i bet you he was.
i bet you he was better then lachlan hansen.
i bet he could throw a football over those mountains.
he could throw a pigskin a quarter mile.
Budda 230
4 Dec 2007, 13:33
Hansen = No.3 draft pick.
Monahan = nobody (in football terms)
bigpapagman
4 Dec 2007, 13:39
the 2003 u16s West gippy GF might have something to say about that.
Hansen destroyed.
bigpapagman
4 Dec 2007, 13:58
wait. bryce didnt play that game.
i played on hansen.
22 touches, 4 goals.
Budda 230
4 Dec 2007, 14:32
wait. bryce didnt play that game.
i played on hansen.
22 touches, 4 goals.
Good work.:thumbsu: You aren't Bryce though.
Tom Hawkins would have been top 10 if it wasnt father son, but he is also a good athlete. I agree the system has major problems, blokes like O Fitz would have dominated power at FF i reckon but its not all about winning for them. No body in the AFL takes a contested mark these days because no body does in the u/18, its not the style they play.
Keep an eye out for John Butcher - bottom age player next year. Very tall, very athletic and can certainly take a very strong contested mark.
With regard to fitness levels there is a strong emphasis on fitness levels. Power hopefuls are currently training two nights a week for an hour and 45 minutes. There are nine sessions leading up to a testing day. The running component starting with 7 400's in 85 secs with same rest in between peaking at 10 in 75 secs with same rest. Hard work!! And they are expected to train another 4 nights a week by themselves!
There is a school of thought that Hickmont pushed the boys too hard during the season this year - would not let up at all - which may have contributed to their ordinary finish to the season.
bigpapagman
5 Dec 2007, 10:33
yep, no, **** that.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
5 Dec 2007, 14:57
Hansen = No.3 draft pick.
Monahan = nobody (in football terms)
totally agree with this post i think he is a nobdy in all senses of life
bigpapagman
6 Dec 2007, 06:10
brody he has achieved more in one day, than you have in your whole life.
that day being the grand final the next year when we beat drouin.
saintlynewby
6 Dec 2007, 16:37
There is a school of thought that Hickmont pushed the boys too hard during the season this year - would not let up at all - which may have contributed to their ordinary finish to the season.
I heard it was more like there were too many hero's and not enough team players. Had the talent in the group, but too many out for themselves.
bigpapagman
7 Dec 2007, 06:03
and only one got drafted, when there were a couple more who should have apparently.
ie. Jackson Hall.
Budda 230
7 Dec 2007, 07:34
Kay was the unluckiest. If it wasn't for his kicking, could have been a top 25 prospect. Hopefully Geelong rookie him.
Kay, Hall and Connelly will all be taken in the rookie draft. I reckin Webber might be a slight chance also.
Power were pretty light on with high standard players this year. They would be very happy 4 players listed from the 2007 batch.
bigpapagman
7 Dec 2007, 07:55
OH YEAH, but its still pale in comparison to their forefathers from the couple of years before that.
Budda 230
7 Dec 2007, 08:06
Right you are.
bigpapagman
7 Dec 2007, 08:13
I mean dale, scotty p, xave ellis & hansen raised the bar.
they arent gonna succeed forever.
saint leo
7 Dec 2007, 08:16
Roughead goes alright as well.
Budda 230
7 Dec 2007, 08:53
I mean dale, scotty p, xave ellis & hansen raised the bar.
they arent gonna succeed forever.
Like I said, right you are.:thumbsu: Trent West could end up being the best of them.:thumbsu: Very likely type.
bigpapagman
7 Dec 2007, 08:53
yep, thankyou. good omission by my good self.
Kay was the unluckiest. If it wasn't for his kicking, could have been a top 25 prospect. Hopefully Geelong rookie him.
Kay, Hall and Connelly will all be taken in the rookie draft. I reckin Webber might be a slight chance also.
Power were pretty light on with high standard players this year. They would be very happy 4 players listed from the 2007 batch.
I think Kay is training at Carlton?
bigpapagman
7 Dec 2007, 14:19
confirmed. look on the AFL website.
it tells you where everyone is training.
Scotty85
29 Dec 2007, 06:51
confirmed. look on the AFL website.
it tells you where everyone is training.
Gippsland Power 2008? any thoughts??
BP_Rocket_4
1 Jan 2008, 14:09
This may have already been brought up, so please excuse me if so but does no one else think that something is seriously wrong with powers current rectruiting? 2 kids picked from an area that covers from near pakenham right to the NSW border.... there surely has to be more kids good enough to play afl. surely. power really need to have a good look at themselves.. anyone feeling my vibe?
valley_boy
1 Jan 2008, 17:57
I agree. I've seen kids play in west gippy at 16 years of age, and play good footy, and not even make their squad. its hard to work out sometimes what they actually want in a player. theres also the other side of the coin where a kid will play 2 seasons with power and be just an average senior player. my opinion is if the parent boot licks the coaching staff the kid has a better chance of getting in their squad
longworrytheonlywaytogo
2 Jan 2008, 14:25
i must agree there rectruiting doesnt seem to be right there are to many good kids slipping though the cracks
depends are you an athlete or a good footy player, one gets you into power, the other doesnt.
i think you can guess which one.
bigpapagman
3 Jan 2008, 07:32
well put goodie.
we all know how i feel about this athlete/footballer garbage.
jeez, we arent slow to jump ship.
two years ago when Daisy, Pendles & Xavier Ellis all went early, this dump was touted as one of the strongest recruiting areas australia wide! add to that Jarryd Roughead going early the year b4, and i dont think we have done all that badly. but with the current talent coming through, i think power might have a few lean years.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
3 Jan 2008, 18:00
i vote that a mr matt gooden be named the coach of gippsland power
bigpapagman
7 Jan 2008, 07:28
seconded.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
7 Jan 2008, 14:07
so where do we go from here in getting u the coaching gig do we turn up to a genral meeting and protest that u should coach or do we form our own tac cup side and call it the gippsland farmers or something simialer
bigpapagman
7 Jan 2008, 14:36
Athlone Ants.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
7 Jan 2008, 14:48
toninbuk tornados
ripplebrook riots
hallora hell raisers
modella mice
laboutache lobsters
do we have any more suggestions
bigpapagman
8 Jan 2008, 08:00
toninbuk tornados
ripplebrook riots
hallora hell raisers
modella mice
laboutache lobsters
do we have any more suggestions
Caldermeade Cannons.
Rokeby Rockets.
Seaview Scorpions.
Lillico Lions.
Yannathan Yaks.
Halfway Between Warragul & Buln Harveys.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
8 Jan 2008, 15:30
not bad but i think we can do better do we have any more lol
bigpapagman
9 Jan 2008, 06:15
Crossover Crocodiles.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
9 Jan 2008, 15:07
i think u got it with that last one its a winner its eithier that or the lobsters lol
bigpapagman
10 Jan 2008, 06:10
Jumbunna Jumbucks
Kongwak Cowboys
longworrytheonlywaytogo
10 Jan 2008, 17:53
that kongwak ones gotta be the winner without a doubt lol
longworrytheonlywaytogo
11 Jan 2008, 03:22
go cowboys now bigpapagman u need to start recriuting some young players from the area i suggest u start with russel lehman from catani cause hes my cousin
bigpapagman
11 Jan 2008, 06:10
and mitch nobelius. if hes eligible.
scott carey and ned marsh are also eligable.
bigpapagman
11 Jan 2008, 13:21
nice.
ned can be captain so he doesnt eat me.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
14 Jan 2008, 15:52
just making a little list here of players i hear are alright tell me please if this isnt the case also are they eligable for power
brent hughes nar nar goon
brodie howe nar nar goon
phill dorning nar nar goon
josh saik bunyip
phill strahan catani
sam cole lang lang
jack fulton lang lang
nick gooden nilma darnum
matt hibbert dusties
Axe Man
14 Jan 2008, 16:10
just making a little list here of players i hear are alright tell me please if this isnt the case also are they eligable for power
brent hughes nar nar goon
brodie howe nar nar goon
phill dorning nar nar goon
josh saik bunyip
phill strahan catani
sam cole lang lang
jack fulton lang lang
nick gooden nilma darnum
matt hibbert dusties
Who told you Hibby was good? I'm tipping it must have been Hibby himself.:D
longworrytheonlywaytogo
14 Jan 2008, 18:33
apparently richmond have got there eye on him
bigpapagman
15 Jan 2008, 07:03
did you see my goal goodie?
longworrytheonlywaytogo
15 Jan 2008, 14:51
im sure your team will look better with this players in your team if they are eligable
rory hower garfield
clinton rowe warragul
jason croft warragul
joel backman drouin
jayson barwick drouin
danial pratt drouin
sam clebney drouin
andy mckeena drouin
any thoughts on these players anyone
bigpapagman
15 Jan 2008, 14:56
ned marsh.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
15 Jan 2008, 15:06
ned marsh.
i would have said ned but u already did
BP_Rocket_4
15 Jan 2008, 17:06
im sure your team will look better with this players in your team if they are eligable
rory hower garfield
clinton rowe warragul
jason croft warragul
joel backman drouin
jayson barwick drouin
danial pratt drouin
sam clebney drouin
andy mckeena drouin
any thoughts on these players anyone
I believe they are all too old for any kind of U18s football
Hower was Garfields only good player last year, and ended up spending some time in the seniors. Loves to back himself and take em on
Rowe is an extremely hard midfielder. Also very agressive and loves a melee. Plays flat out
Croft is just seems to accumlate alot of possessions. Not big or quick or strong but just a good allround player. Big engine is his key, works very hard.
bigpapagman
16 Jan 2008, 06:10
I believe they are all too old for any kind of U18s football
Hower was Garfields only good player last year, and ended up spending some time in the seniors. Loves to back himself and take em on
Rowe is an extremely hard midfielder. Also very agressive and loves a melee. Plays flat out
Croft is just seems to accumlate alot of possessions. Not big or quick or strong but just a good allround player. Big engine is his key, works very hard.
power midfielder. somewhat like a goalkicking greg williams.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
17 Jan 2008, 04:36
surely rory hower and clinton rowe arent to old
bigpapagman
17 Jan 2008, 06:23
i think they may be.
clint was invited to be one of the over-age power people i think.....
not sure.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
19 Jan 2008, 11:11
ok then are any of these players eligable
simion gardiner drouin
jorden kingi drouin
rhys salter drouin
luke tynan garfield
vincent MCILWAIN morwell
nathan rogers morwell
jack brown morwell
any thoughts?
surely rory hower and clinton rowe arent to old
you'l find they are both eligable for U/18's this year.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
20 Jan 2008, 09:17
yeah i had a feeling they werent to old
bigpapagman
21 Jan 2008, 06:15
ok then are any of these players eligable
simion gardiner drouin
jorden kingi drouin
rhys salter drouin
luke tynan garfield
vincent MCILWAIN morwell
nathan rogers morwell
jack brown morwell
any thoughts?
i know he is.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
21 Jan 2008, 15:05
he is a gun player for his age
bigpapagman
22 Jan 2008, 06:01
was alot better in u14s and shit though.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
22 Jan 2008, 14:33
still alright now though isnt he
bigpapagman
22 Jan 2008, 14:35
i guess so.
he still is pretty short though.
longworrytheonlywaytogo
22 Jan 2008, 14:38
thats alright some short players can play
bigpapagman
22 Jan 2008, 14:42
yeah, but if you are under 178cm you have to either have the biggest tank in the world or be super quick ala Aaron Davey or some shit.