Best 22 For Next Year

[bomberlegend2007]

I just want to know who will be in the best 22 for next year

[bullet21]

slattery mal fletch
myers ryder mcveigh
davey watson lovett
jetta gumby lucas
welsh lloyd laycock
hille monfries hocking

mcphee lovettmurray nash hislop

[boms]

B: Slattery - Michael - Fletcher
HB: Nash - Ryder - Lovett-Murray
C: Dempsey - Watson - Winderlich
HF: McPhee - Lucas - Gumbleton
F: Davey - Lloyd - Jetta
R: Hille - McVeigh - Stanton
INT: Laycock - Lovett - Monfries - Welsh
EMG: Hislop - Myers - Hocking

[SM10]

B/ Slattery Michael Fletcher

HB/ Lovett-Murray Ryder Nash

C/ Monfries Stanton Winderlich

HF/ Lovett Lucas McPhee

F/ Welsh Lloyd Davey

R/ Hille Watson McVeigh

I/ Laycock Jetta Hislop Dempsey


And the spine at Bendigo being..
FB: Johns
CHB: Lee
C: Myers
CHF: Gumbleton
FF: Neagle
For the whole year, injury permitting.

[Tambu]

B: Henry Slattery, Mal Michael, Dustin Fletcher

HB: Jay Nash, Patrick Ryder, Nathan Lovett-Murray

C: Jason Winderlich, Brent Stanton, Courtenay Dempsey

HF: Andrew Lovett, Scott Lucas, Adam McPhee

F: Alwyn Davey, Matthew Lloyd, Leroy Jetta

FOL: David Hille, Jobe Watson, Mark McVeigh

INT: Jason Laycock, Angus Monfries, Andrew Welsh, Scott Gumbleton

[fish_bowl]

B: Tom Hislop, Mal Michael, Dustin Fletcher

HB: Jay Nash, Patrick Ryder, Nathan Lovett-Murray

C: Jason Winderlich, Brent Stanton, Angus Monfries

HF: Adam McPhee, Scott Gumbleton, Andrew Lovett

F: Alwyn Davey, Matthew Lloyd, Scott Lucas

FOL: David Hille, Jobe Watson, Mark McVeigh

INT: Jason Laycock, Adam Ramanauskas, Andrew Welsh, Damien Peverill


Dempsey has not shown enough to be an automatic choice, nor has Gumbleton, but I think the team would work best with him at CHF and Lloyd/Lucas closer to goal. There seems to be more depth this season than most. Hard not to fit JJ into the team, but if injuries occour I would expect him to come into the side.

[hulld]

B: Tom Hislop, Mal Michael, Dustin Fletcher

HB: Jay Nash, Patrick Ryder, Nathan Lovett-Murray

C: Jason Winderlich, Brent Stanton, Angus Monfries

HF: Adam McPhee, Scott Gumbleton, Andrew Lovett

F: Alwyn Davey, Matthew Lloyd, Scott Lucas

FOL: David Hille, Jobe Watson, Mark McVeigh

INT: Jason Laycock, Adam Ramanauskas, Andrew Welsh, Damien Peverill


Dempsey has not shown enough to be an automatic choice, nor has Gumbleton, but I think the team would work best with him at CHF and Lloyd/Lucas closer to goal. There seems to be more depth this season than most. Hard not to fit JJ into the team, but if injuries occour I would expect him to come into the side.

if dempsey hasn't shown enough, how is hislop in your side???

also if you have heard any knights interviews he has said that the kids will be given plenty of opportunities. this means that pev will struggle to get a game if we don't have too many injuries

finally, when dempsey starts dominating matches, you won't be allowed on the bandwagon.........DEMPSEY!!!!!

[bomberandy]

B: Fletcher, Michael, Welsh
HB: Lovett- Murray, Ryder, Nash
C: Monfries, Winderlich, Houli
HF: McPhee, Lucas, McVeigh
F: Davey, Lloyd, Jetta
FOLL: Hille, Stanton, Watson
I/C: Laycock, Myers, Dempsey, Gumbleton
EMG: Pears, Slattery, Hislop

[Longy413]

B: Slattery, Michael, Lovett-Murray
HB: Nash, Fletcher, Ramanauskas
C: Lovett, J Johnson, Winderlich
HF: McPhee, Lucas, Welsh
F: Davey, Lloyd, Jetta
FOLL: Laycock, Stanton, McVeigh
I/C: Ryder, Monfries, Dempsey, Watson

I haven't picked emergencies, because you could easily pick 10.
There are a lot of blokes you can make claims for, which is a good sign.

I expect Myers, Neagle, Gumby and Hocking to play a fair bit of footy this year.

It's interesting that everyone has Jason Johnson and Pev out of their side and only one person put Rama in (on the bench).

[pjc1993]

I think that there is a walk up start for a defensive mid fielder for team balance. All the posted midfields go one way far too much. I hope Slattery can do the running required, if he can't maybe Hocking can be that player or Nash. If Slattery goes to the mid field that leaves a vacancy in the back pocket. For development Gumby gets picked for best 22 I don't think he is there, we seemed to go better with a slightly smaller side.

B Rama, Fletcher Michael
HB Nash Ryder NLM
C Winderlich Watson Mc Veigh
HF McPhee Lucas Lovett
F Davy Lloyd Jetta
R Laycock, Stanton Slattery
B Hille, Monfries, Dempsey, JJ

[Kaiser Powser]

B: Slattery, Michael, Lovett-Murray

HB: McPhee, Fletcher, Ryder

C: Winderlich, Watson, Lovett

HF: Gumbleton, Lucas, Welsh

F: Monfries, Lloyd, Davey

R: Laycock, McVeigh, Stanton

Int: Hille, Nash, Dempsey, Hislop

Emg: Jetta, Myers, Houli


Obviously you rarely have your best 22 fit and able, but I think we have three good emergencies there. Plus the services of some veterans in Pev and JJ and some kids like Reimers, Pears, Hocking and Daniher.

I really hope that we start to see some pressure on blokes making the team so much so that good players are missing out. We have not had that for 2-3 years and it is imperitive in keeping the whole squad on their toes.

[Darealrath]

FB: Ryder Michael Rama
HB: Nash Fletcher NLM
C: Stanton Watson Lovett
HF: McPhee Lucas Welsh
FF: Davey Lloyd Jetta
R: Laycock McVeigh Winderlich
I/C: Hille JJ Dempsey Monfries

Didn't go with Slattery because I have concerns over his pace in defence and think McVeigh is a better midfield run with player.

Had to do a bit of shuffling about because I really wanted Winder on ball. We've lacked a burst player in the centre square for a while, and he's not bad in close. Hopefully Dempsey steps up to this role by the end of the season too.

[Ryder Is God]

B: Slattery - Michael - Fletcher
HB: Nash - Ryder - Lovett-Murray
C: Winderlich - Watson - Lovett
HF: McPhee - Lucas - Welsh
F: Davey - Lloyd - Jetta

FOLL: Laycock - McVeigh - Stanton

I/C: Hille - Ramanauskas - Monfries - Gumbleton

[TheDon35]

B: Slattery - Michael - Fletcher
HB: Nash - Ryder - Lovett-Murray
C: Winderlich - Watson - Lovett
HF: McPhee - Lucas - Welsh
F: Davey - Lloyd - Jetta

FOLL: Laycock - McVeigh - Stanton

I/C: Hille - Ramanauskas - Monfries - Gumbleton

I know this thread is about what our best 22 is but I guess there is a difference between our best 22 players on paper and what is the best 22 to fast track the next premiership.

Based on this side we could expect not only to finish well and truly toward the bottom but to make minimal progress in terms of player development next year. This is more or less the same side fully fit from last year less our best player - Hird.

If we don't give significant game time to Houli, Dempsey, Hissy, Myers, Riemers, etc we are doing nothing more than treading water. When you're in the bottom few sides in the comp, you need to be doing more than treading water.

We've got the perfect opportunity to play Houli, Dempsey, Myers, Hislop etc who will be the next batch that win us a GF.

[carmi99]

B: Slattery, Michael, Lovett-Murray
HB: Nash, Fletcher, Ramanauskas
C: Lovett, J Johnson, Winderlich
HF: McPhee, Lucas, Welsh
F: Davey, Lloyd, Jetta
FOLL: Laycock, Stanton, McVeigh
I/C: Ryder, Monfries, Dempsey, Watson

I haven't picked emergencies, because you could easily pick 10.
There are a lot of blokes you can make claims for, which is a good sign.

I expect Myers, Neagle, Gumby and Hocking to play a fair bit of footy this year.

It's interesting that everyone has Jason Johnson and Pev out of their side and only one person put Rama in (on the bench).

Surely Ryder and Watson are both in our starting 18?

[Longy413]

Based on this side we could expect not only to finish well and truly toward the bottom but to make minimal progress in terms of player development next year. This is more or less the same side fully fit from last year less our best player - Hird.

There are 8 players in that side with less than 50 games.
Plus Watson, Monfries, NLM and Stanton with not too many more.

That's a lot of inexperience and scope for improvement.

Surely Ryder and Watson are both in our starting 18?

There's no such thing as a starting 18.
It changes each week based on match ups and rotations.

The bench isn't your 19th-22nd players anymore, it's an extention of your midfield.

[Merv]

There are 8 players in that side with less than 50 games.
Plus Watson, Monfries, NLM and Stanton with not too many more.

That's a lot of inexperience and scope for improvement.


On that point i have put together an analysis of our list on age and experience at round 1 of next year and it makes for some very interesting viewing.

It's short 2 players so after the PSD next week i will put it up in our Training sub forum for everyone to have a look at.

I can guarantee you it will make for some interesting discussion.

[carmi99]

There are 8 players in that side with less than 50 games.
Plus Watson, Monfries, NLM and Stanton with not too many more.

That's a lot of inexperience and scope for improvement.



There's no such thing as a starting 18.
It changes each week based on match ups and rotations.

The bench isn't your 19th-22nd players anymore, it's an extention of your midfield.

There's no such thing as a starting 18.
It changes each week based on match ups and rotations.

The bench isn't your 19th-22nd players anymore, it's an extention of your midfield.

I understand what you are saying and i do agree but isn't that taking things a little too literally for this thread? I think the idea of this thread is to pick the best starting line up (i know the title says best 22) and the most likely interchange.

I would be quite shocked if we saw Ryder starting on the bench at anytime next year.

I liked you team but i would swap Ryder with Rama and Watson for JJ.

[TheDon35]

[quote=Longy413;9617553]There are 8 players in that side with less than 50 games.
Plus Watson, Monfries, NLM and Stanton with not too many more.

That's a lot of inexperience and scope for improvement.

Not argueing that some of these guys under 50 games will improve however that side is not the best side for us to play in order to get to the next flag.

Our '05, '06 and to a lesser extend Myers from 07 draftees need to be injected into the side next year in a meaningful way in order for us to really make some headroad on the competition.

That sides midfield is still ordinary. We need to develop these guys that will become a really good midfield.

[Tambu]

Not argueing that some of these guys under 50 games will improve however that side is not the best side for us to play in order to get to the next flag.

Our '05, '06 and to a lesser extend Myers from 07 draftees need to be injected into the side next year in a meaningful way in order for us to really make some headroad on the competition.

That sides midfield is still ordinary. We need to develop these guys that will become a really good midfield.
This thread is about our best 22 next year, not our best 22 for 3-5 years time.
Guys like Houli, Hislop, Myers etc aren't in our best 22 for 08. They'll get games no doubt, and over the next couple of years work their way into being starting players, but currently they still have work to do.

[TheDon35]

This thread is about our best 22 next year, not our best 22 for 3-5 years time.
Guys like Houli, Hislop, Myers etc aren't in our best 22 for 08. They'll get games no doubt, and over the next couple of years work their way into being starting players, but currently they still have work to do.

That all depends on what you're trying to achieve. If you are trying to play the best you can possibly play with the players you have available then you are correct.

If you are trying to develop a side that will challenge for a flag in the next 3 - 5 years then your best 22 - to achieve that objective will be different.

This is my point. I would like to think that our key objective next year should be development. Whether or not that translates into wins, i'm not to fussed about. I would much rather finish 15th or 16th getting a full year of experience into many of our young kids than finish 10th playing the exact same best 22 from last year and not getting games into Jetta, Houli, Hislop, Riemers, Gulmbleton, Myers, Neagle, Dempsey, etc.

There needs to be a balance I know however it would be a total waste of a year if hypothetically we played that 'best 22' every week.

[Tambu]

That all depends on what you're trying to achieve. If you are trying to play the best you can possibly play with the players you have available then you are correct.

If you are trying to develop a side that will challenge for a flag in the next 3 - 5 years then your best 22 - to achieve that objective will be different.

This is my point. I would like to think that our key objective next year should be development. Whether or not that translates into wins, i'm not to fussed about. I would much rather finish 15th or 16th getting a full year of experience into many of our young kids than finish 10th playing the exact same best 22 from last year and not getting games into Jetta, Houli, Hislop, Riemers, Gulmbleton, Myers, Neagle, Dempsey, etc.

There needs to be a balance I know however it would be a total waste of a year if hypothetically we played that 'best 22' every week.
If we want to achieve finals in 08, then Houli, Hislop, Myers, Reimers etc aren't our best options. That's what I'm guessing this thread is about... Fielding a best 22 that can push for finals in 08. Not so much the long term.

[DonMania#5]

B: Andrew Welsh, Mal Michael, Nathan Lovett-Murray

HB: Jay Nash, Dustin Fletcher, Paddy Ryder

C: Jason Winderlich, Jobe Watson, Angus Monfries

HF: Andrew Lovett, Scott Lucas, Adam Mcphee

F: Alwyn Davey, Matthew Lloyd, Courtenay Dempsey

FOL: David Hille, Brent Stanton, Mark McVeigh

INT: Jason Laycock, Leroy Jetta, Henry Slattery, Jason Johnson

[Longy413]

Our '05, '06 and to a lesser extend Myers from 07 draftees need to be injected into the side next year in a meaningful way in order for us to really make some headroad on the competition.

He had Dempsey and Ryder in from 05.
Lonergan and Neagle not in.

Half of the draft.

He had Jetta, Davey and Gumby in from 06.
Houli, Hislop and Reimers not in.

So that's 50% of our draftees from the last two season.

Monfries and Slattery in.
Lee and Thomas (gone) not in.

50% from the last three drafts.

It's hard to place our latest draftees in our best side.

At anyone time we'd have 3-5 injuries, all those out of the best 22 are young players with the exception of Pev.

We'll be playing plenty of kids...

[carmi99]

B: Henry Slattery, Mal Michael, Nathan Lovett-Murray

HB: Jay Nash, Dustin Fletcher, Paddy Ryder

C: Jason Winderlich, Jobe Watson, Adam Mcphee

HF: Andrew Lovett, Scott Lucas, Angus Monfries

F: Alwyn Davey, Matthew Lloyd, Leroy Jetta

FOL: David Hille, Brent Stanton, Mark McVeigh

INT: Jason Laycock, Courtenay Dempsey, Andrew Welsh, Scott Gumbleton

Spot on!:thumbsu:

Only thing i would change would be swapping Lovett and Mcphee.

[GreaT SourcE]

Spot on!:thumbsu:
Only thing i would change would be swapping Lovett and Mcphee.
Ditto....:thumbsu:

[Schmick]

B: Slattery Michael Lovett-Murray
HB: Fletcher Ryder Nash
C: Lovett Monfries Stanton
HF: Jetta Lucas McPhee
F: Davey Lloyd Hille
R: Laycock McVeigh Winderlich

INT: Welsh Watson Dempsey Hocking

EMG: Hislop Neagle JJ

The reason Watson is listed on the bench for all you guys wondering, is because he gets tired easily when played for too long, and its good to chuck him onto the field when he's fresh and play has slowed down a bit so that he's more effective and he can chase the other way and apply defensive pressure.

[King Patty]

B: Nash - Michael - Fletcher
HB: Lovett - Ryder - Lovett-Murray
C: Dempsey - #Watson - Winderlich
HF: McVeigh* - Gumbleton - McPhee
F: Lucas - Lloyd - Davey
R: Laycock - ~Stanton - *Houli
INT: #Monfries - Hille - ~Hislop - Rama
EMG: Welsh - JJ - Hocking.......- Jetta

A couple players you may say are lucky to be in there, but is hard filling last couple of spots. Players ive tagged for midfield roles - Watson, Stanton, Houli, McVeigh, monfries hislop. I've gone for Houli starting on the ball, know he has the endurance, think he will make it, and like having goal kicking midfielders. And i'd like to see more of Hislop in the middle. Not quite sure where to put welsh /jj / hocking / Pev at the moment but at the least they will be handy depth players.
I cant add myers/pears/daniher yet cause i havent seen them play only highlights on bomber tv. But it is possible that one of them could be in our best 22 at the end of the year - e.g Selwood, Gibbs, Davey, Gumby.

[Schmick]

B: Nash - Michael - Fletcher
HB: Lovett - Ryder - Lovett-Murray
C: Dempsey - #Watson - Winderlich
HF: McVeigh* - Gumbleton - McPhee
F: Lucas - Lloyd - Davey
R: Laycock - ~Stanton - *Houli
INT: #Monfries - Hille - ~Hislop - Rama
EMG: Welsh - JJ - Hocking.......- Jetta

A couple players you may say are lucky to be in there, but is hard filling last couple of spots. Players ive tagged for midfield roles - Watson, Stanton, Houli, McVeigh, monfries hislop. I've gone for Houli starting on the ball, know he has the endurance, think he will make it, and like having goal kicking midfielders. And i'd like to see more of Hislop in the middle. Not quite sure where to put welsh /jj / hocking / Pev at the moment but at the least they will be handy depth players.
I cant add myers/pears/daniher yet cause i havent seen them play only highlights on bomber tv. But it is possible that one of them could be in our best 22 at the end of the year - e.g Selwood, Gibbs, Davey, Gumby.
ATM there's probably 22 players than are currently better than Gumby, so i don't think he'd actually be considered as a member of our best 22 yet. But im sure by seasons end he probably most likely will be.

[bomba4eva]

This thread is starting to get me genuinely worried about next year. I felt Essendon were definitely on the way up after their drastic improvement from last year. Now though when I look at it very closely we are in a tough situation. Our BEST 22 may get us to 7-12th which is ok but not genuinely challenging for a flag. Our 22 that we would like to see have all the kids developing in would be smashed by bigger stronger teams. Im not sure what to make of it. Throwing in the kids would mean more years of pain and hardship which we have felt for 3 years now. Having our best side would win us enough games to keep us happy but not really a threat for the flag. Do people think we should play our best 22 or throw in the kids to fill most of our 22 next year? I am always the optimist but really disecting our situation properly has gotten me concerned.

[boms]

This thread is starting to get me genuinely worried about next year. I felt Essendon were definitely on the way up after their drastic improvement from last year. Now though when I look at it very closely we are in a tough situation. Our BEST 22 may get us to 7-12th which is ok but not genuinely challenging for a flag. Our 22 that we would like to see have all the kids developing in would be smashed by bigger stronger teams. Im not sure what to make of it. Throwing in the kids would mean more years of pain and hardship which we have felt for 3 years now. Having our best side would win us enough games to keep us happy but not really a threat for the flag. Do people think we should play our best 22 or throw in the kids to fill most of our 22 next year? I am always the optimist but really disecting our situation properly has gotten me concerned.
Mate atm we are not even looking to win the preimership in 2008. Its all about developing the kids on our list.

[Tambu]

Exactly.

We've only had 3 proper rebuilding years. We need atleast a couple more years of good recruiting, that and further developing our youngsters before we could even think of considering ourselves a threat.

[bomba4eva]

Mate atm we are not even looking to win the preimership in 2008. Its all about developing the kids on our list.
The bolded bit is what annoys me the most. Seeing teams like Brisbane and Port go past us kills me. Why havent ours developed as quick. Sheedy really should have thrown them in earlier. Also over achieveing and making the second week of the finals in 03-04 is really hurting us. We should have been developing our kids years ago. Patienece is a virtue that I lack unfortunately. Am very interested to see how Knights progresses.

[Jono B]

The bolded bit is what annoys me the most. Seeing teams like Brisbane and Port go past us kills me. Why havent ours developed as quick. Sheedy really should have thrown them in earlier. Also over achieveing and making the second week of the finals in 03-04 is really hurting us. We should have been developing our kids years ago. Patienece is a virtue that I lack unfortunately. Am very interested to see how Knights progresses.
Port and Brisbane have just rejuvenated the core of their premiership sides with a few kids rather than totally rebuilding. We were unable to do that because of poor drafting during our time at the top and because our 2002 draftees (Watson, Winderlich and Laycock) were often injured and were late bloomers. This stopped us from challenging again in 2004.

[kelvin_sheedy]

B: McVeigh, Michael, Lovett-Murray
HB: Nash, Ryder, Fletcher
C: Lovett, Watson, Winderlich
HF: McPhee, Lucas, Gumbleton
F: Davey, Lloyd, Jetta
FOLL: Laycock, Stanton, Dempsey
I/C: Hille, Monfries, Slattery, Ramanauskas

EMERG: Welsh, Hislop, Houli, Myers, JJ, Pev

[acebomer]

B: A.Welsh M.Michael D.Fletcher
HB: J.Nash P.Ryder N.Lovett-Murray
C: A.Monfries J.Watson J.Winderlich
HF:A.McPhee S.Lucas A.Lovett
F: A.Davey M.Lloyd L.Jetta
R: D.Hille M.McVeigh B.Stanton
IC: H.Slattery T.Hislop B.Houli J.Laycock

[Tambu]

Dempsey has not shown enough to be an automatic choice
He has for mine. He ripped Richmond apart, unfortunately didn't have much help.

He's exactly what the team needs. If he could stay fit, automatic selection.

[pazza]

B: Slattery, Michael, Fletcher
HB: Lovett-Murray, Ryder, Nash
C: Winderlich, Watson, McVeigh
HF: Welsh, Lucas, Monfries
F: Davey, Lloyd, Lovett
R: Laycock, McPhee, Stanton
Int: Hille, Gumbleton, Jetta, Houli

[Bachar_Houli]

B: Slattery, Michael, Fletcher
HB: Lovett-Murray, Ryder, Nash
C: Winderlich, Watson, McVeigh
HF: Welsh, Lucas, Monfries
F: Davey, Lloyd, Lovett
R: Laycock, McPhee, Stanton
Int: Hille, Gumbleton, Jetta, Houli

switch mcveigh with mcphee and that will be a good team!

[carmi99]

He has for mine. He ripped Richmond apart, unfortunately didn't have much help.

He's exactly what the team needs. If he could stay fit, automatic selection.

I wouldn't say that he ripped Richmond apart.

He wasn't the worst but definately didn't rip them apart.

[keepzitreal]

B Ryder Michael Nash

HB NLM Fletcher Dempsey

C Lovett Hislop Jetta

HF McPhee Gumbleton McVeigh

F Davey Lloyd Lucas

R Laycock Winderlich Stanton


INT Watson Hille Monfries Reimers

EMERG Myers Neagle Welsh

Hard to leave out: Slattery, Dyson, Rama, Hocking, Longergan, Houli

And we still have: Johns, JJ, Pev

Very optimistic about next year. Everything is in place, hopefully it all coems together.

[Tambu]

I wouldn't say that he ripped Richmond apart.

He wasn't the worst but definately didn't rip them apart.
No one could catch him and could've had 2 goals and put us well within reach early in the last quarter if he didn't get injured.

[bhorjus]

B - Nash - Michael - Welsh

CHB - NLM - Fletcher - Ryder

C - Lovett - Watson - Mcphee

CHF - McVeigh - Lucas - Monfries

FF - Davey - Lloyd - Jetta

R - Hille - Stanton - Winderlich

I - Laycock - Gumbleton - Nash - Houli

E - Hislop - Dempsey - Neagle

[My_man_Hislop]

Does anyone consider Dyson or Johns a chance? or is it career over for these two...?
Hislop will play an important role next year IMO, he is a more defensive player, similar to slattery in ways. We can't entirely fill the team with attacking players like lovett jetta houli dempsey etc.
I think the future is looking good however

[Smyth94]

No one could catch him and could've had 2 goals and put us well within reach early in the last quarter if he didn't get injured.

He also butchered the ball quite a few times while passing it into our F50

[Mighty_bombers]

Lot of people have Ryder at CHB , if he did he would get killed by the likes of J.Brown , W.Treds , Buddy , etc

Nathan Lovett-Murray Mal Michael David Myers
Patrick Ryder Dustin Fletcher A.Mcphee
Jay Nash Jason Winderlich Courtenay Dempsey
D.Hille Brent Stanton Jobe Watson
Angus Monfries S.Lucas Scott Gumbleton
Andrew Lovett Matthew Lloyd Alwyn Davey

Mark McVeigh
Andrew Welsh
Jason Laycock
Leroy Jetta

Emgs -
Damien Peverill
Tom Hislop
Tayte Pears

[Jono B]

Lot of people have Ryder at CHB , if he did he would get killed by the likes of J.Brown , W.Treds , Buddy , etc

Nathan Lovett-Murray Mal Michael David Myers
Patrick Ryder Dustin Fletcher A.Mcphee
Jay Nash Jason Winderlich Courtenay Dempsey
D.Hille Brent Stanton Jobe Watson
Angus Monfries S.Lucas Scott Gumbleton
Andrew Lovett Matthew Lloyd Alwyn Davey

Mark McVeigh
Andrew Welsh
Jason Laycock
Leroy Jetta

Emgs -
Damien Peverill
Tom Hislop
Tayte Pears
He has actually played on Buddy and wasn't killed.

[Bachar_Houli]

B: A.Welsh M.Michael D.Fletcher
HB: J.Nash P.Ryder N.Lovett-Murray
C: A.Monfries J.Watson J.Winderlich
HF:A.McPhee S.Lucas A.Lovett
F: A.Davey M.Lloyd L.Jetta
R: D.Hille M.McVeigh B.Stanton
IC: H.Slattery T.Hislop B.Houli J.Laycock

I like that team alot.

[hulld]

where's gumby and dempsey???

knights has said he is expecting big things out of both of them

[SM10]

Lot of people have Ryder at CHB , if he did he would get killed by the likes of J.Brown , W.Treds , Buddy , etc

Nathan Lovett-Murray Mal Michael David Myers
Patrick Ryder Dustin Fletcher A.Mcphee
Jay Nash Jason Winderlich Courtenay Dempsey
D.Hille Brent Stanton Jobe Watson
Angus Monfries S.Lucas Scott Gumbleton
Andrew Lovett Matthew Lloyd Alwyn Davey

Mark McVeigh
Andrew Welsh
Jason Laycock
Leroy Jetta

Emgs -
Damien Peverill
Tom Hislop
Tayte Pears
Very tall backline

[Hislop200]

FB Welsh Michael Fletcher
HB Lovett Ryder Nash
C Stanton Watson Winderlich
HF Mcfee Lucas Jetta
FF Davey Lloyd Gumbleton
FOL Hille Mcveigh Monfries
INT Laycock, Houli, Hislop, Dempsey

[Bachar_Houli]

Very tall backline

but nlm, myers and mcphe can play small because they are very athletic and versitile. Thats the great thing about our backline. They are fast and tall and fit and versitile and athletic.

[Schmick]

FB Welsh Michael Fletcher
HB Lovett Ryder Nash
C Stanton Watson Winderlich
HF Mcfee Lucas Jetta
FF Davey Lloyd Gumbleton
FOL Hille Mcveigh Monfries
INT Laycock, Houli, Hislop, Dempsey
It's not really our "best 22", but it's not a bad looking side at all. Hopefully some of those youngsters can work their way into the best 22 throughout the year.

[Duckworth]

B: A.Welsh.... M.Michael..... Slattery
HB: Ryder ......Fletcher ...... Nash
C: McPhee .... Watson .......Winderlich
HF:Gumby ......Lucas .........Lovett
F: A.Davey .....Lloyd ......... Jetta
R: Laycock......McVeigh ......Stanton
IC: Hislop ........JJ ............DC ....... Monfries

[Amazing Bombers]

B: A.Welsh.... M.Michael..... Slattery
HB: Ryder ......Fletcher ...... Nash
C: McPhee .... Watson .......Winderlich
HF:Gumby ......Lucas .........Lovett
F: A.Davey .....Lloyd ......... Jetta
R: Laycock......McVeigh ......Stanton
IC: Hislop ........JJ ............DC ....... Monfries

That would be a good side to start with.

[Stants_24_Legend]

thats a real worry if people have Hille in the ruck, Watson in the middle and none of the draft picks in the starting 18. Thats a real worry.

B:Hislop Michael Reimers
HB: Lovett-Murray McPhee McVeigh
C:Myers Stanton Lovett
HF: Davey Gumbleton Jetta
F:Lucas Lloyd Neagle
R: Ryder Winderlich Monfries
Int: Hooker Dyson Rama Slattery
Emg: Welsh Pears Hille

[Merv]

thats a real worry if people have Hille in the ruck, Watson in the middle and none of the draft picks in the starting 18. Thats a real worry.

B:Hislop Michael Reimers
HB: Lovett-Murray McPhee McVeigh
C:Myers Stanton Lovett
HF: Davey Gumbleton Jetta
F:Lucas Lloyd Neagle
R: Ryder Winderlich Monfries
Int: Hooker Dyson Rama Slattery
Emg: Welsh Pears Hille

I would of thought not having Fletcher in the team is what you would call a real worry.
So too would be to have Ryder ruck by himself all game.
Where is Nash?

[Bachar_Houli]

thats a real worry if people have Hille in the ruck, Watson in the middle and none of the draft picks in the starting 18. Thats a real worry.

B:Hislop Michael Reimers
HB: Lovett-Murray McPhee McVeigh
C:Myers Stanton Lovett
HF: Davey Gumbleton Jetta
F:Lucas Lloyd Neagle
R: Ryder Winderlich Monfries
Int: Hooker Dyson Rama Slattery
Emg: Welsh Pears Hille

i think u forgot houli

[bombersno1]

B:Hislop Michael Fletcher
HB: Lovett-Murray Myers McVeigh
C: McPhee Stanton Lovett
HF: Davey Gumbleton Jetta
F:Lucas Lloyd Neagle
R: Ryder Winderlich Monfries
Int: Nash Pears Rama Laycock
Emg: Welsh Houli Hille

[donsman4eva]

FB: Slattery, Mal, NLM
HB: Nash, Ryder, Fletcher
C: Winderlich, Watson, Stanton
HF: Gumby, Lucas, Welsh
FF: Lovett, Lloyd, Davey
Rucks: Hille, McVeigh, Monfries

I/C: Laycock, McPhee, Houli, Dempsey.

[Merv]

B:Hislop Michael Fletcher
HB: Lovett-Murray Myers McVeigh
C: McPhee Stanton Lovett
HF: Davey Gumbleton Jetta
F:Lucas Lloyd Neagle
R: Ryder Winderlich Monfries
Int: Nash Pears Rama Laycock
Emg: Welsh Houli Hille

A new recruit to walk into the "best 22" team and play CHB, No wonder we drafted him :cool:

[bombersno1]

A new recruit to walk into the "best 22" team and play CHB, No wonder we drafted him :cool:

Well he has my support now.

[Merv]

Well he has my support now.

lol, support is one thing but reality is another.:D

[bombersno1]

Hey..no need to start fighting..whilst Myers wouldn't have been my choice. Is he a bad choice, nope. He is extremely talented. And I am willing to give the bloke a go!

[Merv]

Hey..no need to start fighting..whilst Myers wouldn't have been my choice. Is he a bad choice, nope. He is extremely talented. And I am willing to give the bloke a go!

I'm not fighting but i don't think you got my point.

Do you expect an 18 year old kid to walk into our best 22 and hold down CHB in front of Fletcher or Ryder?

[Slattery_20]

Slatts Mal NLM
McPhee Ryder Nash
Winders Stants McVeigh
Welsh Lucas Lovett
Hille Lloyd Davey

R: Laycock Watson Monfries

INT(from): JJ Pev Rama Houli Myers Johns

[Merv]

Slatts Mal NLM
McPhee Ryder Nash
Winders Stants McVeigh
Welsh Lucas Lovett
Hille Lloyd Davey

R: Laycock Watson Monfries

INT(from): JJ Pev Rama Houli Myers Johns

Slatts, i think you forgot some one mate :D

[TRAVCLOKE#32]

Hopefully Houli gets more of a run for you guys next year.

[bomba4eva]

Slatts Mal NLM
McPhee Ryder Nash
Winders Stants McVeigh
Welsh Lucas Lovett
Hille Lloyd Davey

R: Laycock Watson Monfries

INT(from): JJ Pev Rama Houli Myers Johns
Would have thought our AA from last season would manage to scrape onto the bench if not a starting 18 position?:D

[bombersno1]

Do you expect an 18 year old kid to walk into our best 22 and hold down CHB in front of Fletcher or Ryder?

Yes I do as frankly I see Ryder as a ruckman, and Fletcher is better when loose anyway.

[Big John]

Most people seem to have left JJ and Pev out of the best 22. I think this is based more on hope than reality. I would like nothing more than for a number of young players to force them into retirement next year, but at the moment they are both definately in the best 22. Whether or not they are ahead enough to play in front of younger players is another issue.

[bombersno1]

Most people seem to have left JJ and Pev out of the best 22. I think this is based more on hope than reality. I would like nothing more than for a number of young players to force them into retirement next year, but at the moment they are both definately in the best 22. Whether or not they are ahead enough to play in front of younger players is another issue.

JJ is past it, it really is time to move on. Hopwever I see him play a vital role for Bendigo in the development of youngsters, same with Peverill to be honest.

[Darwin-Bomber]

B: Slattery - Michael - Ryder
HB: NLM -Fletcher - McPhee
C: Lovett - Watson# - Winderlich
HF: Davey - Lucas - McVeigh*
F: Monfries+ - Lloyd - Gumbleton
R: Hille - Stanton+ - Welsh*
INT: Laycock - Nash# - Jetta - Houli

I think our backline is starting to look alot more promising than it has in previous years, with Fletch and Mal still the anchors. Just bear in mind that it will get worse when those two retire before it gets better.

Midfield is still not quite up to the standards of the top sides but I think in 2-3 years we could have an A-Grade midfield. I've put in a few possible changes for the on-ballers which is basically just my own opinion. I think Welsh really stepped up last season and I would like to see if he has what it takes to play in the middle. In alot of the games last year we were getting smashed in the ruck while Hille was on and then when Laycock came on the game completely swung, I would like to see him step up a bit more and take charge.

The forward line is our strongest point as it has been for quite awhile. Lloyd and Lucas should have another 50+ year each. I like Davey hanging around the 50 so he can trap the ball in and also push up the ground a bit when needed.

I know alot of people will disagree with my line-up. This is how I kind of imagine the team for the first couple rounds then I would like to see a lot of rotating and experimenting with the younger players.

[DaSawx]

Yes I do as frankly I see Ryder as a ruckman, and Fletcher is better when loose anyway.

But you want an 18 year old kid to play out of position and play on some of the best forwards in the comp when Hille and Laycock will be playing ruck anyway?

[bombersno1]

But you want an 18 year old kid to play out of position and play on some of the best forwards in the comp when Hille and Laycock will be playing ruck anyway?

Hille is not in my starting 22.

[Jono B]

Hille is not in my starting 22.
In that case I think this squad is more appropriate:
B:Hislop Michael Fletcher
HB: Lovett-Murray Gumbleton McVeigh
C: McPhee Stanton Lovett
HF: Davey Lucas Myers
F: Jetta Lloyd Neagle
R: Ryder Winderlich Monfries
Int: Nash Pears Rama Laycock

Gumbleton is far more physically ready to play CHB than Myers.

[gossy]

Ok, I haven't looked through this entire thread, so this may already have been asked.

Who do we think should be in the centre square for centre bounces?

I know a lot of people just presume those that are named on the ball and in the centre do so, but this isn't always the case.

Personally: Laycock/Hille, Jobe, Winder, Mcveigh.

[samthemanlonergan]

B: Slattery Michael Lovett-Murray
HB: Nash Ryder McVeigh
C: Winderlich Hocking Dempsey
HF: McPhee Gumbleton Lovett
F: Lucas Lloyd Davey
Foll: Laycock Watson Stanton
I/C: Welsh Hille Jetta Winderlich

Emer: Dyson Rama Houli

About 10 others around the mark too. Good signs.

[Slattery_20]

Ok, I haven't looked through this entire thread, so this may already have been asked.

Who do we think should be in the centre square for centre bounces?

I know a lot of people just presume those that are named on the ball and in the centre do so, but this isn't always the case.

Personally: Laycock/Hille, Jobe, Winder, Mcveigh.


Hille's a very important clearance player for us. I hesitate to say he plays as an "extra midfielder" (which appears to be the current buzzword) - with his pace & disposal - but he racks up the clearance stats of a mid

I would start off with Hille in there with Stants, Winders & Watson*
& then move McVeigh, Laycock, Monfries, Lovett, JJ*, Slattery, Pev* & Ryder through there. The only one of the young young guys I'd want to push in there would be Jetta, I reckon he's got that intangible skill of being able to rove a tap - time his run past the ruck contest to grab the ball at full speed. A la J Akermanis

* While I'd probably like to see only two of Watson, JJ & Pev in the 22 any given week, we do have a reasonably formidable clearance "engine room".

The problem will be getting the rucks to link with the inside mids (can't count the number of times Hille hit the ball onto the ground & then picked it up and cleared it) & the inside mids to link with the quicker blokes. & Hopefully getting an increase in defensive pressure across the ground.

[Slattery_20]

Slatts, i think you forgot some one mate :D

as they say in the classics:
whoops
:eek:

nah that old hack's past it...

Nash onto bench, Fletch in

[X_box_X]

No love for Johnson?

Is that because you guys no you won't do anything special within the next two years and want to blood youngsters, or simply because he is no longer good enough?

[Longy413]

It's because Essendon supporters are fickle.

[bombersno1]

No love for Johnson?

Is that because you guys no you won't do anything special within the next two years and want to blood youngsters, or simply because he is no longer good enough?

Past his best. I see him as a mentor for the youngsters at Bendigo and will have a role there in the next 12 mths.

[rioli brownlow]

In that case I think this squad is more appropriate:
B:Hislop Michael Fletcher
HB: Lovett-Murray Gumbleton McVeigh
C: McPhee Stanton Lovett
HF: Davey Lucas Myers
F: Jetta Lloyd Neagle
R: Ryder Winderlich Monfries
Int: Nash Pears Rama Laycock

Gumbleton is far more physically ready to play CHB than Myers.


here is mine

B: slattery,micheal,ryder
HB: lovett-murray,fletcher,welsh
C: windelich,stanton,lovett
HF: davey,lucas,mcphee
F: mcveigh,lloyd,gumbleton
FOLL: hille,watson,monfries.
INTER: laycock,nash,jetta,dempsey
EMERG: peverill,houli,myers

[Pevers-Legend]

It's because Essendon supporters are fickle.

Or they have been on bigfooty too long and hav ebeen caught up in the play the kids at all costs hype.

JJ if he gets fit and confident will be in our best 22. The thing I hope to see this year is him rotating regularly off the bench. If he does that, he will be very crucial, especially minus one J Hird in the middle

[Slattery_20]

Use JJ as a battering ram off the bench
He can still dominate, just not whole matches
But used smartly he'll be a great burst player for a quarter here & there
It's not like we're overflowing with match-ready inside mids

EDIT: *HERETIC* He can take Hirdy's spot for inside mid who can't kick & won't run both ways*/HERETIC*

[whirl]

Use JJ as a battering ram off the bench
He can still dominate, just not whole matches


His 2000 role. We need the younger mids to carry the can in order to get the most out of JJ at this stage of his career.

[loopy_cam]

It's getting harder and harder to try and guess what our best 22 will be now.

[Slattery_20]

Slatts Mal Fletch
McPhee Ryder Nash
Winders Stants McVeigh
Welsh Lucas Lovett
Hille Lloyd Davey

R: Laycock Watson Monfries

INT(from): JJ Pev Rama Houli NatRat Johns

Only things I'd change - Reimers & Hocking in to the squad. Probably less need for Pevalenko now

[TheDon35]

Only things I'd change - Reimers & Hocking in to the squad. Probably less need for Pevalenko now

Well done. You're really showing your inventiveness and going out on a lim by selecting the same players who have lead us to the bottom of the ladder over the last few years.

[Slattery_20]

Well done. You're really showing your inventiveness and going out on a lim by selecting the same players who have lead us to the bottom of the ladder over the last few years.
Unlike some I'm not just picking the blokes who had a good game last night
The only players IMHO who look physically ready to push players out of the best 22 I've stated above
There's already been enough change around the club without ditching half the list
If Dempsey, Dyso, Houli continue their good form - then they'll be pushing guys out (Welsh, Slattery) as well. If I'm a selector then I'm not going to base too much on 1 pre-season game vs an underdone opponent

[TheDon35]

Unlike some I'm not just picking the blokes who had a good game last night
The only players IMHO who look physically ready to push players out of the best 22 I've stated above
There's already been enough change around the club without ditching half the list
If Dempsey, Dyso, Houli continue their good form - then they'll be pushing guys out (Welsh, Slattery) as well. If I'm a selector then I'm not going to base too much on 1 pre-season game vs an underdone opponent

No mate, I'm going on the last 3 years of terrible performances.

With regard to Dyson. Played ordinarily last night. If you looked at his turn over rate it was exceptionally high. Nothing much seems to have changed in my opinion. Many seem to look at the stats sheet and rate players based on that. His impact on the game was very low.

[bomba4eva]

Well done. You're really showing your inventiveness and going out on a lim by selecting the same players who have lead us to the bottom of the ladder over the last few years.
Thats what I was thinking. We definitely need to put in new faces into the side. Houli, Reimers, Dempsey, Dyson, Hocking, Gumbleton, Neagle etc. should all be given game time.

[Merv]

No mate, I'm going on the last 3 years of terrible performances.

With regard to Dyson. Played ordinarily last night. If you looked at his turn over rate it was exceptionally high. Nothing much seems to have changed in my opinion. Many seem to look at the stats sheet and rate players based on that. His impact on the game was very low.

While you base your opinion on virtually nothing and refuse to give credit where it is due to players you don't like.

You rave on about Hislop, or as you call him Hissy, yet he has done nothing.
Jetta is another, and while they are our future they have done virtually nothing so far.

I have bagged Dyson as much as the next guy, but his workrate over the pre season is reason enough to give him another chance to prove himself.

He did turn the ball over a few times, but he also got a lot of the ball and tackled, chased and tried his hardest to provide some run and creativity.

You wouldn't see that of course, as you only see what you want to see.

[Slattery_20]

No mate, I'm going on the last 3 years of terrible performances.

With regard to Dyson. Played ordinarily last night. If you looked at his turn over rate it was exceptionally high. Nothing much seems to have changed in my opinion. Many seem to look at the stats sheet and rate players based on that. His impact on the game was very low.
Is the 2nd bit addressed to me? I never had him in my team, irrelevant. Anyway - what's similar? He was used as THE go-to man/ball carrier through the middle. Had heaps of the pill. Previously he's been used as a flanker, outside option, even as a tagger, and has had bugger all of the pill. Skill was never Ricky's problem, he just couldn't push himself to get to - and commit to - enough contests

Last year wasn't terrible. It was average. It was a definite and tangible improvement over the year before.
Our improvement was based on more responsibility given to Watson, Winderlich, Stanton & less to Bolton, Heff, MJ and so on
I'd do the same. Get a few games into younger legs, then push them in and they'll improve. NOT field a side of 19 year olds

If you really think Jetta is up to AFL standard with regards to fitness, toughness, then we must have been watching different games. Having a bit of talent is fine and good, but if you're only getting to 5 or 10 conests a game you're just not doing enough

[Slattery_20]

Thats what I was thinking. We definitely need to put in new faces into the side. Houli, Reimers, Dempsey, Dyson, Hocking, Gumbleton, Neagle etc. should all be given game time.
I've had this argument so many times it's not funny
You can't have a team with 5 full-forwards. It doesn't work
We will play Lloyd and Lucas, we'll have a ruckman forward as well. McPhee is also going to play predominantly forward this year. Isn't that tall enough?
All three of these blokes were in my side

Probably a good argument to be made for the other two, won't dispute it. I'm just struggling to find the 37+ spots in our "best 22" for all of our incumbent 22 + all the kids who played well last night.

[giantroo]

Just a question, i have heard that Myers is ready to play and knighta has talked him up. will he play throughout the year or just a couple of games?

[DonMania#5]

I doubt he will be in the side in Round 1. Will probably play around 8-10 games throughout the season.

[p3zd1sp3nx0r]

Hi, I'm new to the forum. This is what I think.

FB: H.Slattery M.Michael D.Fletcher
HB: N. Lovett-Murray P.Ryder J.Nash
MD: D.Peverill J.Watson J.Winderlich
HF: A.McPhee S.Lucas A.lovett
FF: A.Davey. M.Lloyd. D.Hille
R: J.Laycock M.McVeigh B.Stanton

A.Welsh(Utl) A.Ramanauskas(IF FIT/J.Johnson if Not) A.Monfries and ...

Last Interchange spot could be taken up by the following: (In no order)

B.Houli
R.Dyson
L.Jetta
D.Myers
C.Dempsey
T.Hislop
H.Hocking
L.Jetta
S.Longergan
K.Reimers

If Extra Tall Required (Doubtful)
C.Johns
A.Lee
S.Gumbleton

I guess we need to assume that the back six would change depending on match ups etc.

With Hille forward I feel that Laycock is a better ruck. I believe that Hille should play second ruck and have much more influcence forward.

This would mean that Lloyd, Lovett, Davey and McPhee would really need to apply ground level pressure.

[MarkJohnson#1]

B: Fletcher--Michael--Slattery
HB: Nash--Ryder--NLM
MID: Houli--Watson--Monfries
HF: McPhee--Lucas--Lovett
F: Welsh--Lloyd--Davey
R: Hille--McVeigh--Stanton

INT: Dempsey--Jetta--Laycock--Rama

INJ: Winderlich, ???

Others Who May Feature: Johnson--Peverill--Reimers--Dyson

Just a scratch lineup I decided on based on my personal opinions and views for round 1, others opinions will no doubt differ, including Knights himself though time will tell.