View Full Version : After thnking about the draft for a while..
Lynch takes a mark
9 Dec 2007, 01:19
I still think the selection of Masten is an Interesting one for the club
I don't think he was the most talented in the remaining top 6, I would for the most part only have him ahead of the very similar Palmer in terms of pure talent.
It's just that he's the only one in that top 6 that was left that screamed genuine AFL inside midfielder, Morton & Myers will be good flankers that may be good midfielders or in the case of Morton a genuine CHF. The problem is that he does go missing in the closer games simply because of his style of game plus the fact he's a Morton scared us off a bit, Myers is a classy flanker and an asset to any team but unless he makes it as a genuine on baller then he's just not worth 3. Grant was already a stretch at 5 and after taking Brown & Kennedy recently would have been a waste.
Masten is a genuine on baller and by far the lowest risk to play 200+ quality games for the club, he puts his body on the line time and time again and feeds it out and brings team mates into the game as well as anybody in the draft. As long as he gets his OP sorted (which I have full faith the club will be able to handle) he will be ready to play 22 games in 2009.
Also interesting that we went with very safe picks each time, avoiding Morton, 2 vic metro players and then taking the younger brother of one of the players in the leadership group.
Ebert is a very safe pick, his talent is undoubted and his character is among the best you could possibly hope for pre draft. Add to that our love for 6'2 South Australian inside midfielders and there was no chance we would go with the similar size inside mid from vic metro over him.
Notte is a great talent, will need to get to 90kgs or so before he plays a full season but I have no doubt we will see him before that in cameo appearances, if you are looking at a forward for the future (either tall or small) and you already have a decent glut of players waiting in the wings for a spot then Notte is a great choice, just stick him in the back ground on simmer and hope for the best in his forth season, you either have a gun forward ready to make an impact or you have a talented fringe dweller and you need to stick back in for a season or 2.
Any way you look at the Selwood selection you are happy with it, its a shallow draft and you have a very bottom aged inside mid/HBF that won AA in the U18's & did really well at draft camp in a number or areas that already has 3 brothers playing in the AFL. 2 of them premiership players and one of them is one of the best young midfielders to come along in the last few years. At worst you get Adam, a versatile run all day tagger that is known for his hardness and super team oriented game that is consistently finishing top 5 in the B&F.
Kennedy probably won't be a superstar, will be a bloody good long term power forward that will never be questioned about work ethic or commitment but probably wont be a super star, will back him over most young forward to play 150+ for the club though.
Like I said, it was a safe draft after a time of recent turmoil in the club, I would expect the 3 mids to play regular games in 2009 and stay there for a bloody long time.
Low risk moderate reward result for us
Kennedy, Masten, Ebert, Notte & Selwood - Welcome to the club.
Missing Doogs
9 Dec 2007, 03:26
I was more dissappointed with the lack of speed we picked up. Would've loved a Vezpremi or a Ward just because of that speed and ability to break the lines which we lost with not only Judd and Cuz but also the potential of blokes like Sampi and Morton to step into these shoes.
TheBigUnit
9 Dec 2007, 09:19
I was more dissappointed with the lack of speed we picked up. Would've loved a Vezpremi or a Ward just because of that speed and ability to break the lines which we lost with not only Judd and Cuz but also the potential of blokes like Sampi and Morton to step into these shoes.
Veszpremi and Ward aren't exceptionally fast midfielders. Only fast midfielders that went in the top 25 were Rioli, Dangerfield and Hinkley.
You cant tell anything about these guys until they have played (at the very minimum) a season or 2.
No point going on about them too much or about who we should of or could of picked up in the draft.
I am just hoping that all of the guys we picked up get to play a few games next year. Especially the NAB Cup.
I don't think he was the most talented in the remaining top 6, I would for the most part only have him ahead of the very similar Palmer in terms of pure talent.
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I for one am very glad we didn't pick up Palmer. My mate who's a Dockers supporter was really pissed off on draft day when the Dockers picked him up which puzzled me so i asked why. Basically he said he had played with Palmer at Bullcreek and Palmer was a world class FIGJAM. He also revealed that Palmer may play like Ben Cousins on field, but he also shares some of his habits off field as well if you catch my drift. Considering thats the type of image we're trying to get away from i'm very happy we didn't get him.
larrikin
9 Dec 2007, 12:51
I still think the selection of Masten is an Interesting one for the club
I don't think he was the most talented in the remaining top 6, I would for the most part only have him ahead of the very similar Palmer in terms of pure talent.
I've thought about it a bit too
I wonder if any other club would've picked up Masten with pick #3. Did the other clubs rate him as highly or was it just a West Coast thing? And is we hadn't taken him at #3 would Freo have taken him at #7 ahead of Palmer - or would he have not slipped that far?
Don't get me wrong, happy to have him at the club. Just not sure if he was worth more to us than to other clubs.
Lynch takes a mark
9 Dec 2007, 14:37
I've thought about it a bit too
I wonder if any other club would've picked up Masten with pick #3. Did the other clubs rate him as highly or was it just a West Coast thing? And is we hadn't taken him at #3 would Freo have taken him at #7 ahead of Palmer - or would he have not slipped that far?
Don't get me wrong, happy to have him at the club. Just not sure if he was worth more to us than to other clubs.
I'm rapt to have him at the club
reading through a couple of Weavers posts leading up to the draft fille me with a little more confidence
So I don't care if we miss Kreuzer. I think Morton and Cotchin will be guys who will have fans oohing and ahhing and taunting the teams that miss them. But Masten will be an every week 20-touch, clearance machine that gets teams moving forward. I rate Masten higher than Marc Murphy, similar player, but better.
I am saying we should take Masten. Tough rover who will play inside and win the footy.
I am saying we will take Morton. Soft, outside wingman with brilliant kicking. Quite frankly the Morton brothers are the second coming of the Houlihan's. Morton is pretty much a Ryan Houlihan. We will probably take him, and we will probably regret it.
Morton is a fairly soft, fairly outside specialist kicker. He roams around the midfield being fed the ball because his kicking is elite. There is some of the Pat Bowden's about him. Similar size and athleticism. Similar elite kicking. I think he will be very vunerable to a tag in the AFL. Because he rarely wins his own footy you'd put a guy on him and remove his teams designated kicker.
Masten is an elite rover of rare quality. I rate him higher than Marc Murphy. He gets clearances, runs all day, is proven in the WAFL, wins his own footy and is tough. I think Masten worst-case would be Foley-ish. I see a duo of Foley and Masten locking up the small midfield spots for a decade.
Masten and Foley winning the footy brings guys into the game. Cotchin or Morton leaves us with more finishers - but still no footy to provide them with.
I just think Masten hand-fed him and Morton was the go-to guy that WA wanted to have the footy because of his kicking. WA was dominant so Palmer just took off forward of the ball. His kicking is good, not great, and he is very one-sided.
I'd just point out that that took no account of club needs and who held the picks.
I think we should take Masten at 2. He is the most likely to end up like Kerr. He and Foley would be a 10-year centre square combo that would go along way to building a winning midfield.
Cotchin is better than Pettifer but a similar player. Not as good as Nathan Brown.
For mine the question is - if you had a choice between Kerr and Nathan Brown who would you take?
Both can be match winners - but put Kerr in the midfield and LeCras up forward and you can win. Put Boyd in the middle and Brad Johnson up forward and you lose.
With Brown and Pettifer on the HFF for another 3 years I really don't think we can afford to spend so heavily on another small, slowish, low-stamina, genius.
Little to separate them agreed. Still think Masten is the best player in the draft. Certainly the safest pick. Also think that Ward will come screaming past them all in time. Might take Palmer ahead of Cotchin and Morton too.
I'd be thinking - Cotchin was the guy WA targetted with a heavy tag at a time when Palmer was running loose because Metro were trying to shut down Masten.
Masten is a class pick that will play 200+ games for WC and he may even captain the club.
No doubt in mind that he was top 3 regardless of WCs position in the draft.
Freo would've jumped all over him at 7, I'll give ya the tip.
After the 2009 season will have a cleare picture to how we went.
I think we went exceptionally well, as expected. :thumbsu:
larrikin
9 Dec 2007, 18:36
I'm rapt to have him at the club
reading through a couple of Weavers posts leading up to the draft fille me with a little more confidence
Rapt to read all that
Waever's comments are always respected - neber knew he was a Tigers man. Does he have an official role with them?
westcoast wizard
10 Dec 2007, 09:52
I think the best comment made by Masten was:
" I model my game around Ben Cousins ON THE FIELD with his gut running and work ethic"
Chris Masten is rather hunky isnt he. Not a ugly one in the bunch really. Except you Twiggy Notte. Lift your game son
SS_Fury
10 Dec 2007, 10:13
Chris Masten is rather hunky isnt he. Not a ugly one in the bunch really. Except you Twiggy Notte. Lift your game son
I was on here the other day and there was a pic of him...misses thought he was alright too....i cant find any man love for him though sorry;)
I was on here the other day and there was a pic of him...misses thought he was alright too....i cant find any man love for him though sorry;)
Wait till you see him play footy. The love will come quickly
Genesis67
10 Dec 2007, 10:39
Sounds like the man love already flows strongly in Embers.... :D
Sounds like the man love already flows strongly in Embers.... :D
I have alot of man love to give. Mitch Brown is occupying much of my love but there is enough room in my heart to fit Masten in if he puts the work in and impresses me so
Jimmy_the_Gent
10 Dec 2007, 12:59
I have alot of man love to give. Mitch Brown is occupying much of my love but there is enough room in my heart to fit Masten in if he puts the work in and impresses me so
The rule of thumb when it comes to your man love, Embers, is that it goes to be the most recent first round draftee (See, Rosa, Hurn, Brown).
However, what I'm not sure about for 08 is whether you're going to share yourself around with both Masten and Ebert, or whether you'll just let the higher pick have you and your man love.
Isandula
10 Dec 2007, 16:04
I have alot of man love to give. Mitch Brown is occupying much of my love but there is enough room in my heart to fit Masten in if he puts the work in and impresses me so
Hmm I wonder about you love for good looking boys...
dobbo_18
10 Dec 2007, 16:27
Originally Posted by TheBigUnit
Veszpremi and Ward aren't exceptionally fast midfielders. Only fast midfielders that went in the top 25 were Rioli, Dangerfield and Hinkley.
Clayton Hinkley looks like a very astute pick-up by the dockers as he is just what they need. He does need a fair bit of skills fine-tuning but he has the speed and athleticism that Freo desperately need. Palmer is in the same boat yet he already has skills and goal kicking ability to go with his pace.
You cant tell anything about these guys until they have played (at the very minimum) a season or 2.
No point going on about them too much or about who we should of or could of picked up in the draft.
I am just hoping that all of the guys we picked up get to play a few games next year. Especially the NAB Cup.
You are right....has winding players up with big raps come true much? Need to see how they improve and learn...some apparently talented guys just can't set up plays, lack footy nouse or have no vision. They stand out in juniors because of advanced physical maturity...or around other players that feed them...then everyone catches up.
But i can see the fun in anticipating. Best wishes to you, C Masten
The rule of thumb when it comes to your man love, Embers, is that it goes to be the most recent first round draftee (See, Rosa, Hurn, Brown).
However, what I'm not sure about for 08 is whether you're going to share yourself around with both Masten and Ebert, or whether you'll just let the higher pick have you and your man love.
My man love has little to do with the number pick you are taken. Hurn has none of my man love. He just isnt good looking enough. To be a candidate for my man love you need good looks, charisma and the talent to match it. Rosa had it. LeCras had it. Now Mitch Brown has it. Whoevers next has some big shoes to fill though.
sydney eagle
11 Dec 2007, 09:37
"Masten to Rosa to Lynch, Goal !" Mmm, sounds tasty for a couple of years time .:)
Jimmy_the_Gent
11 Dec 2007, 11:06
My man love has little to do with the number pick you are taken. Hurn has none of my man love. He just isnt good looking enough. To be a candidate for my man love you need good looks, charisma and the talent to match it. Rosa had it. LeCras had it. Now Mitch Brown has it. Whoevers next has some big shoes to fill though.
So it's a gay thing?
So it's a gay thing?
No. You have to be talented, that is the rule. I cant be giving any love to ugly people though. Ill leave that to Fremantle fans
P.S Quinten Lynch is hunky
Jimmy_the_Gent
11 Dec 2007, 11:18
No. You have to be talented, that is the rule. I cant be giving any love to ugly people though. Ill leave that to Fremantle fans
P.S Quinten Lynch is hunky
So you're gay.
So you're gay.
No, I just appreciate talent. :thumbsu:
daddy_4_eyes
11 Dec 2007, 13:58
No, I just appreciate talent. :thumbsu:
Call it what you want
*cough* homo
4 of the 5 we drafted on to our list proper AA's, that can't be a bad thing, can it? I know it doesn't mean they'll make it, but means they have the ability.