David Ellard (rookie)

[TheGeneral]

Pick 34 in the 2007 rookie draft.

Welcome to Carlton.

[Blueinblood]

GOOD LUCK BUDDY!
go out there and kick us some goals

[gandaal]

Here's some profile from two phantom drafts:



# 43 Western Bulldogs – David Ellard (Swan Districts / 175cm / 72kg)

Small forward type who may not have impressed as much as Jackky or Gartlett this year at Colt or Nationals but I think he could well turn out to be the best. Would be interested in what the WA boys think but I am a big fan. He has a pretty good motor which allows him to be constantly provide options for his teammates as they come forward. Also quite aggressive at the ball and skill level is excellent. Very adept at dropping balls into holes (ala Luke Power and Rob Harvey) which I think is one of the really difficult kicking skills. Poise is a feature and expect this kid to somewhere in the mix for the Scrays around here.




Pick 74 > St Kilda – David Ellard – 175cm 72kgs – Swan Districts (Sml Fwd)

Real speculative pick here with St Kilda picking up a smokey in forward pocket specialist Ellard. Presents strongly, has a good motor and is a great kick of the ball, Ellard is a real untapped talent.

[Blueinblood]

Pics?

[Bluegene]

Does a nominated Rookie mean he is able for selection anytime or does he have to wait for an injury

[gandaal]

Does a nominated Rookie mean he is able for selection anytime or does he have to wait for an injury

Where did you hear that he's a nominated rookie? I realise we can nominate Jamison and one other if we feel like it but I hadn't heard we'd nominated anyone else. And if we did I'd be surprised if it was Ellard going by training reports which seem to be drooling over Shields the irish kid.

[TheGeneral]

And if we did I'd be surprised if it was Ellard going by training reports which seem to be drooling over Shields the irish kid.
Teague said Ellard is a natural footballer with great skills, has a great football brain and played well in the practice game in this interview (http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/43204). We desperately need another goal sneak more than we need another medium defender, so I hope Ellard gets a game before the likes of Joseph, Shields and Hill. Both Hill and Joseph are the type of player we have plenty of at the moment and are said to be poor kicks.

ELLARD. ;)

[gandaal]

Teague said Ellard is a natural footballer with great skills, has a great football brain and played well in the practice game in this interview (http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/43204). We desperately need another goal sneak more than we need another medium defender, so I hope Ellard gets a game before the likes of Joseph, Shields and Hill. Both Hill and Joseph are the type of player we have plenty of at the moment and are said to be poor kicks.

ELLARD. ;)

Can't say that I agree. Why do we need another goal sneak? Ellard would come close to our best 22 at the minute, Eddie Betts is doing a fine job and will only improve. And of course we need another medium defender, which Carlton team have you been watching? We seemed to get smashed every week last year by the oppositions small forward because we didn't have a medium defender who could take those players. If Shield can fill that role he'd be a more than welcome addition to the senior list.

[Bluegene]

Can't say that I agree. Why do we need another goal sneak? Ellard would come close to our best 22 at the minute, Eddie Betts is doing a fine job and will only improve. And of course we need another medium defender, which Carlton team have you been watching? We seemed to get smashed every week last year by the oppositions small forward because we didn't have a medium defender who could take those players. If Shield can fill that role he'd be a more than welcome addition to the senior list.
How about the fact that Shield has never played a game of football before?

[TheGeneral]

Can't say that I agree. Why do we need another goal sneak? Ellard would come close to our best 22 at the minute, Eddie Betts is doing a fine job and will only improve.
Who knocked Eddie Betts?

Calm down.

We definitely need another ground level goalkicker with good skills like Ellard has according to Teague, but Houlihan and Russell might play that role under Ratten and get more time up forward in 2008.

Some reports said Ellard can even play on ball, but I don't know if he can do this at the highest level.
And of course we need another medium defender, which Carlton team have you been watching? We seemed to get smashed every week last year by the oppositions small forward because we didn't have a medium defender who could take those players. If Shield can fill that role he'd be a more than welcome addition to the senior list.
And we have Anderson, Armfield, Browne and Pfeiffer on our senior list who have heaps more football experience than Shields.

It's always best to look before you shoot after you were 100% wrong about Russell's game in round 19.

[gandaal]

Who knocked Eddie Betts?

Calm down.

Pretty sure I was calm. I think your reading something into my post that wasn't there.

We definitely need another ground level goalkicker with good skills like Ellard has according to Teague, but Houlihan and Russell might play that role under Ratten and get more time up forward in 2008.
Do we?

So who do we drop to shove another forward pocket specialist into the side, Brad Fisher? Setanta O'hAilpin? Matthew Kruezer?

Some reports said Ellard can even play on ball, but I don't know if he can do this at the highest level.
If a young forward pocket doesn't have the potential to play midfield down the road he won't be on an AFL list. Can play midfield isn't the same as can play midfield at AFL level straight out of the colts.

And we have Anderson, Armfield, Browne and Pfeiffer on our senior list who have heaps more football experience than Shields.
Experience? Where?

Anderson - 2 AFL games
Armfield - 0 AFL games
Browne- 0 AFL games
Pfeiffer- 0 AFL games

All unproven, most of them are teenagers and they've done nothing that puts them ahead of Shields as a potential medium defender at this stage. Plus Shields has the potential to play midfielder ;)

It's always best to look before you shoot after you were 100% wrong about Russell's game in round 19.

I was 100% right about Russell game. He had a very average game and I know that because I was actually at the game watching from the stands. There's a world of difference between watching a game on TV and seeing it live in front of you. On TV you don't see the options down the field that are ignored for worse options, or they were lost because Russell couldn't take an easy chest mark and fumbled around with the ball allowing Collingwood players to flood back. On TV you don't see the flow of the team slow down whenever a player like Bentick gets the ball and wanders around at a snails pace. All you see is Bentick with the ball passing to a teammate who eventually coughs it up and gets the blame. On TV you don't see how high the ball actually gets popped up when Houlihan is passing into the forward 50, allowing the opposition defender an easy spoiling opportunity when a better player would've kicked it out in front of our forwards so that the opposition is never allowed that opportunity to spoil the ball in the first place. On TV all you see is Houlihan passing the ball straight into Fev's hands and Fev stuffing it up. I didn't bother responding about Russell earlier because, quite frankly, why should I bother when you consider kicking it to the third or fourth worst option a good kick because you never saw the other options due to the limited vision of the idiot box. What would be the point?

[Dima]

Experience? Where?

Anderson - 2 AFL games
Armfield - 0 AFL games
Browne- 0 AFL games
Pfeiffer- 0 AFL games

All unproven, most of them are teenagers and they've done nothing that puts them ahead of Shields as a potential medium defender at this stage. Plus Shields has the potential to play midfielder ;)


Gandaal this is a pretty weak point, you know full well that these players have played an enormous amount of afl compared to Shields, who would have been lucky to have kicked a footy before 07. Afl games played isn't the greatest indicator here....

[gandaal]

Gandaal this is a pretty weak point, you know full well that these players have played an enormous amount of afl compared to Shields, who would have been lucky to have kicked a footy before 07. Afl games played isn't the greatest indicator here....

A weak response to a weak statement. Claiming that we have the spot covered just because we recruited a bunch of kids who may or may not even make is ridiculous. It's like claiming that Brad Dick should've been given the opportunity that Martin Clark received last year at Collingwood just because Dick's been playing the game longer. That's about as weak and nonsensical as you can get.

[TheGeneral]

Pretty sure I was calm. I think your reading something into my post that wasn't there.


Do we?

So who do we drop to shove another forward pocket specialist into the side, Brad Fisher? Setanta O'hAilpin? Matthew Kruezer?


If a young forward pocket doesn't have the potential to play midfield down the road he won't be on an AFL list. Can play midfield isn't the same as can play midfield at AFL level straight out of the colts.


Experience? Where?

Anderson - 2 AFL games
Armfield - 0 AFL games
Browne- 0 AFL games
Pfeiffer- 0 AFL games

All unproven, most of them are teenagers and they've done nothing that puts them ahead of Shields as a potential medium defender at this stage. Plus Shields has the potential to play midfielder ;)
Football experience dummy.
I was 100% right about Russell game. He had a very average game and I know that because I was actually at the game watching from the stands. There's a world of difference between watching a game on TV and seeing it live in front of you. On TV you don't see the options down the field that are ignored for worse options, or they were lost because Russell couldn't take an easy chest mark and fumbled around with the ball allowing Collingwood players to flood back.
You were 100% wrong.

You said Russell didn't use the ball well and the Pies let him have the ball.

Yet the match committee gave Russell 21 votes in the B & F.

We didn't have any other options beside Fev and Fisher with Waite down back.
On TV you don't see the flow of the team slow down whenever a player like Bentick gets the ball and wanders around at a snails pace. All you see is Bentick with the ball passing to a teammate who eventually coughs it up and gets the blame. On TV you don't see how high the ball actually gets popped up when Houlihan is passing into the forward 50, allowing the opposition defender an easy spoiling opportunity when a better player would've kicked it out in front of our forwards so that the opposition is never allowed that opportunity to spoil the ball in the first place. On TV all you see is Houlihan passing the ball straight into Fev's hands and Fev stuffing it up. I didn't bother responding about Russell earlier because, quite frankly, why should I bother when you consider kicking it to the third or fourth worst option a good kick because you never saw the other options due to the limited vision of the idiot box. What would be the point?
Man you talk some shit!

Russell didn't have any other options to kick to other than Fisher and Fev who were our only talls inside 50.

On TV you don't see how quick Russell is!

I thought it was Simpson when Russell stole that ball from Scott Lucas at CHF in round three and ran down the ground.

Russell is deceptively quick.

[gandaal]

Football experience dummy.

I guess Collingwood should just tell Martin Clarke to go home then. Brad Dick will play midfield in 2008 because he's been playing longer. Great logic "dummy" :rolleyes:

Man you talk some shit!


You were 100% wrong.

You said Russell didn't use the ball well and the Pies let him have the ball.

Yet the match committee gave Russell 21 votes in the B & F.
21 votes is almost nothing due to our B&F voting format and I'm not sure how votes he collected over the entire year have anything to do with his game against Collingwood. Can I quote you here in response to this irrelevant statment?

Man you talk some shit!





We didn't have any other options beside Fev and Fisher with Waite down back.

Man you talk some shit!
Another irrelevant statement. What was that actually in response too?


Russell didn't have any other options to kick to other than Fisher and Fev who were our only talls inside 50.

Even when that was the case Russell messed around with the ball so much that instead of getting the ball to Fev and Fish when they were in the clear he allowed the opposition to flood back and provide a contest.

Man you talk some shit!

On TV you don't see how quick Russell is!

I thought it was Simpson when Russell stole that ball from Scott Lucas at CHF in round three and ran down the ground.

Russell is deceptively quick.

Russell is quick in straight lines which is fine on an athletics track, but in footy? You rarely see Russell use his pace to any great effect in a game, and Scott Lucas isn't exactly Asafa Powell.

Nothing you posted actually responded to what I posted in any way. You should be embarrassed by that effort.

Man you talk some shit!

[XXX KINGS]

IMO Russell was in our top 3 players in that game against Collingwood and I was at the ground.

I don't say this lightly either as I have often been a critic of the guy, he played well that day.

[gandaal]

IMO Russell was in our top 3 players in that game against Collingwood and I was at the ground.

I don't say this lightly either as I have often been a critic of the guy, he played well that day.

He got plenty of the ball. I'm not sure that's the same thing as 'playing well' but I tire of this arguement because I'm not a Russell hater, just someone who wasn't all that impressed.

[Carlton135]

Why is the thread which is devoted to David Ellard all about Jordan Russell?

[TheGeneral]

He got plenty of the ball. I'm not sure that's the same thing as 'playing well' but I tire of this arguement because I'm not a Russell hater, just someone who wasn't all that impressed.
And that's why you're sitting on your arse in a room in front of a computer and not in a coaches or commentary box.

David Ellard>>>>>>>>>Cameron Stokes.

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[gandaal]

And that's why you're sitting on your arse in a room in front of a computer and not in a coaches or commentary box.
Right back at you Cypher. :thumbsu:

[TheGeneral]

Ellard is the second coming of Andrew Phillips (http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Andrew+Phillips). :eek:

Why do I think of a celebrity when I hear his name? :confused:

[gandaal]

I'll admit that I was wrong about Ellard. He's certainly more than a forward pocket based on yesterday's game and looks an excellent prospect.

[TheGeneral]

Ellard is elusive after he got out of trouble and a contest where I thought he was going to be caught and smashed.

Can he maintain his speed if he puts on more muscle?

Small would be an understatement.

[Gilly1972]

Ellard is elusive after he got out of trouble and a contest where I thought he was going to be caught and smashed.

Can he maintain his speed if he puts on more muscle?

Small would be an understatement.

If that's the play on the HFF where he sold the candy to two opponents, I was very impressed with hsi composure and nous. It isn't rocket science but it does take a cool footy brain under pressure and some confidence......most importantly he seems to have the right mindset for a rookie......work your arse off, take opportunities when they arise and play with confidence....it isn't an easy route into AFL footy. I like his comment in the Mike and Dan article that his aim at the end of the year (his first on the rookie list) to be elevated to the senior list :thumbsu:

[Amers]

I really like this guy, I think he could end up being a very useful player for the Carlton FC. :D;):thumbsu:

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Watching him in the preseason and then watching our first round game against the Tigers, I can't help but think that Ellard could be our version of Jake King. Tenacious, not overly skilled but will make things happen and will always be in the thick of it.

[BlueYoss]

If that's the play on the HFF where he sold the candy to two opponents, I was very impressed with hsi composure and nous. It isn't rocket science but it does take a cool footy brain under pressure and some confidence......most importantly he seems to have the right mindset for a rookie......work your arse off, take opportunities when they arise and play with confidence....it isn't an easy route into AFL footy. I like his comment in the Mike and Dan article that his aim at the end of the year (his first on the rookie list) to be elevated to the senior list :thumbsu:

Something I noticed over the weekend while watching various games is that selling candy has become quite rare, it seems only the players with the most silky skills even attempt it. Could it be that they'll look so foolish if they get caught with it that only the most skilled players have the confidence that they won't get caught?

[BlueYoss]

Watching him in the preseason and then watching our first round game against the Tigers, I can't help but think that Ellard could be our version of Jake King. Tenacious, not overly skilled but will make things happen and will always be in the thick of it.

I think this is where 'our version' will be much better than Jake King :thumbsu:

[TheGeneral]

Watching him in the preseason and then watching our first round game against the Tigers, I can't help but think that Ellard could be our version of Jake King. Tenacious, not overly skilled but will make things happen and will always be in the thick of it.
Our version of King will be Anderson and Armfield who have the speed and possibly the agro to be run with players.

But better because they're not just 174 cms tall.

[Gilly1972]

Our version of King will be Anderson and Armfield who have the speed and possibly the agro to be run with players.

But better because they're not just 174 cms tall.

King is playing above his weight because of some fast few steps when he pumps those little legs and he has a bit of pr1ck in him..


Aaron Joseph when he bulks up a bit :thumbsu:

[TheGeneral]

King is playing above his weight because of some fast few steps when he pumps those little legs and he has a bit of pr1ck in him..


Aaron Joseph when he bulks up a bit :thumbsu:
Is King as good as Totino and Fort?

[Gilly1972]

Is King as good as Totino and Fort?

Nobody is as good as Totino :)

[The Grover]

Nobody is as good as Totino :)

Whats the go with Totino?I know he's small little rover type & playing with bullants this year, whats the fascination with him.

[Gilly1972]

Whats the go with Totino?I know he's small little rover type & playing with bullants this year, whats the fascination with him.

Where do I start :cool:

Seriously,

He was a ball magnet and a cult favourite among some of the TAC/draft watchers last year. Too small and no hurt factor to be draftable, could be a good VFL player, not much more to it than that really.

[The Grover]

Where do I start :cool:

Seriously,

He was a ball magnet and a cult favourite among some of the TAC/draft watchers last year. Too small and no hurt factor to be draftable, could be a good VFL player, not much more to it than that really.

This guy I know works with him said he's a good kid, reckons he's pretty hard at the pill.

If he gets up to bullants firsts I'll watch him with interest.

[Gilly1972]

This guy I know works with him said he's a good kid, reckons he's pretty hard at the pill.

If he gets up to bullants firsts I'll watch him with interest.

Yep, he works hard, does the team things, I think in time he should work his way into the Ants firsts.

[blue gunslinger]

The WABlues (sponsors) were very impressed with David. He was forthcoming to open up, humble but determined.
I think has all the elements of a bloke who will fit in perfectly once he gets up to AFL level.
Any reports on Bullants form etc?

[BlueYoss]

The WABlues (sponsors) were very impressed with David. He was forthcoming to open up, humble but determined.
I think has all the elements of a bloke who will fit in perfectly once he gets up to AFL level.

I'll second that! He has a very good head on his shoulders and a great attitude, hard to imagine he's only 18! :thumbsu:

I'm very confident that he will find his place in our team and on the senior list moving forward.

[Gilly1972]

The WABlues (sponsors) were very impressed with David. He was forthcoming to open up, humble but determined.
I think has all the elements of a bloke who will fit in perfectly once he gets up to AFL level.
Any reports on Bullants form etc?

good feedback BG......the exact sort of character traits you would be looking for in a rookie pick :thumbsu:

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

King is playing above his weight because of some fast few steps when he pumps those little legs and he has a bit of pr1ck in him..


Aaron Joseph when he bulks up a bit :thumbsu:
and learns how to hit a target.

[blue gunslinger]

good feedback BG......the exact sort of character traits you would be looking for in a rookie pick :thumbsu:
Gilly - is he getting a run with the Bullants?

[Gilly1972]

Gilly - is he getting a run with the Bullants?

BG, I didn't see last weeks game, but saw a few practice games where he seemed to be rotating with Browne in the guts, and each having spells in the forward line.

[AlecDuncan]

The WABlues (sponsors) were very impressed with David.
Having talked with the kid, I'd say they're right to be.

[gandaal]

Was BOG today in the VFL kicking three goals from a HFF in a winning Bullants team.

[blue gunslinger]

Heard our boy set the world on fire and got chins wagging!

[blue gunslinger]

The boy is in
David Ellard to debut in Perth
Go son go son
The wablues salute you!

[blue gunslinger]

Hats off to D Ellard
Kicked a goal in his first real game
Turned up to the function Sat even though he was not required to.
I hope this kid goes far. He is just a good sort!

[The Cranium]

Just of added background to his debut. (Hope ya don't mind Guns)

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23678913-19742,00.html

CARLTON youngster David Ellard was driving home from a Sunday morning recovery session when his mobile phone rang.

It was his father, Rick, with some devastating news: two of his mates in Perth had died in a car crash the previous night.

Ellard pulled over and, in a quivering voice, asked his father which mates.

James Duff and William Walter, in their early 20s, were killed when their Commodore slammed into a truck on a highway outside Perth.

"When I told him (David), he pulled his car to the side of the road and shed a tear," Rick Ellard said from Perth yesterday.

David had known them for about 10 years and was devastated.

Three days later, he was elevated to the Blues' senior list for the injured Andrew Walker, after playing the first six rounds in the reserves.

"He was a bit down on Monday and Tuesday," his father said.

"Wednesday he was a little better after he was told he would debut against the Eagles in his home state. Friday he was much better. It took its toll, but the timing of the elevation really helped him."

Ellard, 19 in March, wanted to pay his respects to his mates and decided to wear two armbands in the match against the Eagles.

"It was a tough week for him and he wanted to do something," Rick Ellard said.

With the two black bands around his left bicep, he had the modest stats of four kicks, two marks and a goal.

"Playing on (David) Wirrpanda was a big thing as he'd idolised these guys growing up. He was over-awed by it," his father said.

Ellard remained in Perth after the Blues' win and attended the funeral on Monday

[blue gunslinger]

Amazing kid to turn up and palm the flesh with all this going on.
Good head on young shoulders!

[Blue Dimension]

Possibility he may make way for Hadley this week. Hopefully he holds his spot in the side. Would love to see him play against the lions.

[blue gunslinger]

His time will come I am sure. Solid form for the Ants is vital so I hope he does not rest on his laurels!

[blue gunslinger]

Not sure what more this lad needs to do to earn a recall to the big boys. We need some zip in the forward line and someone other than Fev who is a reliable set shot. Fish should start being nervous

[BlueYoss]

Who was placed on LTI for him to be elevated to play WC?

From memory it was never announced?

Was most likely Tex in which case Ellard would need to another (Banno?) placed on LTI to be elevated.

[TheGeneral]

Not sure what more this lad needs to do to earn a recall to the big boys. We need some zip in the forward line and someone other than Fev who is a reliable set shot. Fish should start being nervous
More pace and size.

Unless Ellard can find more speed and put on some size, he's in the same boat as Blackwell who is a ball magnet and won't make it.

It was just a rookie selection, but Stokes from the Hawks would have offered us more than Ellard when he has pace and skill.

At least we drafted Joseph who has speed and size for a rover.

I think Ellard was elevated for Walker.

[blue gunslinger]

He will develop guys he has promised me.
look for him to work his ass off over summer and come back to wow you!

[BlueWorld]

Who was placed on LTI for him to be elevated to play WC?

From memory it was never announced?

Was most likely Tex in which case Ellard would need to another (Banno?) placed on LTI to be elevated.Yes it was Tex so he'd no longer be able to play at this stage. Not sure about Banno but you need to be out 8 weeks and there are only 6 weeks to go so not sure how that works.

[blue gunslinger]

Technicalities...play the kid