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Ruanaidh
11 Dec 2007, 13:36
You blokes have done quite well in the 'draft' season as has the RFC. Today we grabbed Cartledge as a 3rd round rookie, could I get an honest appraisal of his potential worth?
You probably won't enjoy our appraisal much.
Unless he has improved a lot, he will be a wasted pick.
He played only 1 good game for us, his last and he is a poor tap ruckman and soft on his attack on the ball and man.
I hope for Richmonds sake he has improved a lot from when we let him go but i wouldn't pin much hope in him if i was you guys.
You blokes have done quite well in the 'draft' season as has the RFC. Today we grabbed Cartledge as a 3rd round rookie, could I get an honest appraisal of his potential worth?
Didn't rate him at all when he was at Essendon. Was surprised when i watched a few North Ballarat games last year as he actually looked quite good. But having said that, it was VFL level...
I'd say he'd be nothing more than a safeguard if you had another ruck crisis like you had this season...
donsman4eva
11 Dec 2007, 13:40
You blokes have done quite well in the 'draft' season as has the RFC. Today we grabbed Cartledge as a 3rd round rookie, could I get an honest appraisal of his potential worth?
Lets put it this way. We axed him when our ruck division consists of Hille and Laycock, who looked no where near as good as he does ATM.
Cartledge is a decent ruckman, but he has poor skills and struggles around the ground.
But he fits your needs, a back up ruck. He has done his time and not made the grade and you wouldnt expect to see him elevated unless you have some dramas as you had this year with your ruck stocks. He is a simple insurance stragety. I feel a little sorry for him because unless something dramatic changes he must know he will do his time on the rookie list only to be delisted again after Richmond are better placed to secure greater ruck potential in the future drafts.
The Dustbin
11 Dec 2007, 14:20
The writing was on the wall in 06 when Laycock was injured and yet he still couldn't get a game.
Had an ok season with North Ballarat, but we all know there is a massive difference between the VFL and AFL level.
Was ok around the ground but useless at centre bounces and stoppages. His attack on the ball at times was poultry.
You'll be hoping he is your last available option for the ruck.
Still jumps too ealry. He played a couple of handy games ( i think people get crried away with saying he played a good game) for us but that was it.
Don't rate him at all and i dont think he improved all that much from what i saw of him at Nth Ball.
Ruanaidh
11 Dec 2007, 14:52
Thanks for that everyone.I take it he'll be the ruckman of last resort but at least its better than Tucky rucking:o All the best for next year:thumbsu:
Timing sucked and was very soft. Seemed ok in the VFL this year and at 22 or 23 it's now or never if he's going to make the grade. For a late rookie choice, reckon he's worth the punt.
Wing Commander
11 Dec 2007, 15:41
Total dud. Surely he would only be an emergency ruckman.
Lance Uppercut
11 Dec 2007, 16:06
The writing was on the wall in 06 when Laycock was injured and yet he still couldn't get a game.
Had an ok season with North Ballarat, but we all know there is a massive difference between the VFL and AFL level.
Was ok around the ground but useless at centre bounces and stoppages. His attack on the ball at times was poultry.
You'll be hoping he is your last available option for the ruck.
you trying to say he's chicken?
The Dustbin
11 Dec 2007, 16:27
you trying to say he's chicken?
Yep. :thumbsu:
The_Young_Gun
11 Dec 2007, 16:27
My Info on Cartledge:
He is mainly a ruckman and can also play forward, played VFL for the Roosters and mainly played Ruck but gets worn out very easily, he plays forward maby for a quarter or so every game and is a real danger there but is too slow and isn't well balanced at all, he can make a good lead but he is really one of those guys at the back of the pack trying his luck in getting the ball, his main asset is his body stature, he's tall, big and can take a good mark.
His downsides can sometimes be his accuracy of kicking, its hard for him to run out the whole game let alone a quarter, he also "hog's" it too much and doesn't pass it off enough and turns it over alot.
Hope this helped, he'll be an asset for VFL but AFL he'll really struggle alot like he did with us.
astro_toby
11 Dec 2007, 19:07
out of interest - what year was he drafted - and at what selection?
out of interest - what year was he drafted - and at what selection?
2002 #28
He was taken the same year as Laycock (2002), and I believe he was a second round selection. If not, definitely a third round.
I was personally against his delisting. He was one of the youngest players from his draft, and had a real wiry frame. It was obvious he was always going to take a while to develop some weight or a motor. I thought his tap work was very good - when he timed his jump right, which as was mentioned could be poor. He most certainly didn't project as a Cox or White style ruck, always as a Spider Burton style.
But I thought he could very well make it at AFL, but he definitely needed more time.
Longy413
11 Dec 2007, 20:43
I think he's got a lot of talent.
But he's soft, he lacks the raw vigor to be a ruckman.
If he finds that, you have yourself a player.
loopy_cam
11 Dec 2007, 21:19
I wasn't particularly happy when we delisted him. I thought he had talent and was dissapointed he left young.
Crumden
11 Dec 2007, 22:05
2002 #28
By strange coincidence, that was the pick Richmond traded to Essendon for Blumfield.
astro_toby
11 Dec 2007, 22:06
thanks for that info. should be interesting to see he and Belchambers hit it out in the VFL.
High Ryder
11 Dec 2007, 22:24
thanks for that info. should be interesting to see he and Belchambers hit it out in the VFL.
If he can't beat Bellchambers being a first yr player then he'll never make the grade.
From what i have seen i agree with most people here and dont think much of him. He will be a 4th choice ruckmen for a year or so and he is in a tough position as it is most likely that he will have to put in all the hard work and not even be given a chance. I think the club would have prefered to take a player like Richards but he would have taken up a spot on the list and couldnt be rookied.
cbreban
11 Dec 2007, 22:45
He can't be that bad, he was ruckman for the VFL team that played against the WAFL.
Cartledge is one of those guys that I think will always be on the wrong side of the line that defines making it as an AFL footballer.
He's got some real raw ability, but lets himself down with skill errors and a lack of ability to assert himslef on a ruck contest.
However, they are both areas in which players can improve and time will tell if Tristan is able to.
He can't be that bad, he was ruckman for the VFL team that played against the WAFL.
And to get that spot he only had to beat the other ruckman who where VFL listed players. The field he beat to get the spot was hardly an all star line up...
Doug Tassell
12 Dec 2007, 08:38
I didn't think he got a fair go at the Bombers, however he has not improved from what i saw of him on the ABC playing VFL, is still only young and could improve, but the general consensus is that he won't.
robbo here
12 Dec 2007, 18:45
the main problem with Cartledge he is cant handle contested situations..eg ruck and especially around the ground..has anyone ever seen him take a contested mark?
Stargazer
13 Dec 2007, 19:13
Cartledge was taken by us when he was 17, as a long term prospect. Despite his height, he never seemed to be able to get his hand on the ball to palm it down to his rovers. I can't recall seeing any young ruck hopeful so completely at sea when it came to the centre bounce knock as Tristan.
He always seemed to jump way too early, and never ever learned to time the balls ups at all.
The writing was on the wall when Henneman was preferred in the ruck to him, and later Ryder. Last year Hawthorn invited Carts to train with them pre-season, but decided against picking him up. He missed out on being drafted by anyone that year.
Perhaps he is ready to take that next big step now, but as he didn't exactly dominate playing for North Ballarat last season, I don't hold out much hope.
Let's hope he has learned to time his run ups at centre and around the ground ball-ups better - at the very least. :rolleyes:
Big Blow Hard
13 Dec 2007, 19:41
Didn't someone else give him a chance also? Hawthorn was it? I might be wrong.
The Dustbin
13 Dec 2007, 19:51
Didn't someone else give him a chance also? Hawthorn was it? I might be wrong.
I think he did pre-season with the hawks last year. Ant or Longy can confirm this.
Still think Ash Eames was worth a crack, despite his age. Another topic for another day.....
Big Blow Hard
13 Dec 2007, 21:29
Having just read the post before my last, it answered my qyuestion. Trained with Hawks but they did not pick him up.:thumbsu:
Slattery_20
14 Dec 2007, 20:03
My Info on Cartledge:
He is mainly a ruckman and can also play forward, played VFL for the Roosters and mainly played Ruck but gets worn out very easily, he plays forward maby for a quarter or so every game and is a real danger there but is too slow and isn't well balanced at all, he can make a good lead but he is really one of those guys at the back of the pack trying his luck in getting the ball, his main asset is his body stature, he's tall, big and can take a good mark.
His downsides can sometimes be his accuracy of kicking, its hard for him to run out the whole game let alone a quarter, he also "hog's" it too much and doesn't pass it off enough and turns it over alot.
Hope this helped, he'll be an asset for VFL but AFL he'll really struggle alot like he did with us.
So he's a danger up forward but isn't very good there? :confused:
He's one of those ruckmen who's really a ruckman. More Peter Street than Justin Koschitzke.
Saw the bloke play a few decent to good VFL games, that's probably his level. Might be a late bloomer & he's certainly got the height & leap to ruck but won't be winning any brownlows soon
As the OP said, better than having a 6'2" flanker rucking, but not by much
warney7
14 Dec 2007, 22:55
He played only 1 good game for us, his last
Exactly my thoughts.
But I think he could be of some value to the Tigers, if he's hardened up.
And he's only a rookie, so they haven't taken too much of a risk!
Longy413
14 Dec 2007, 22:59
Played a handy game for us against the Pies too.
Kicked an important goal.
Mighty_bombers
17 Dec 2007, 10:57
his a dud
Played a handy game for us against the Pies too.
Kicked an important goal.
And a very good goal as well if I recall correctly.
I remember that night well, Jay Nash's first game, Lloydy kicked a bag and we won comfortably, even though we should've won by more.
adamania11
17 Dec 2007, 11:17
If all goes well for Richmond in terms of injuries, we won't have to use him.
He is probably about the 4th ruck choice, just like he was at Essendon.
Longy413
17 Dec 2007, 13:22
He's a better chance of making it than Putt.