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Now that all the drafts are over, this is where I think the team is at.
The starting 22:
FB: Brett Jones, Darren Glass, David Wirrpanda
HB: Shannon Hurn, Adam Hunter, Tyson Stenglein
Centre: Andrew Embley, Matt Priddis, Mark Nicoski
HF: Mark LeCras, Ashley Hansen, Beau Waters
FF: Jamie McNamara, Quinten Lynch, Brent Staker
Ruck: Dean Cox, Daniel Kerr, Matt Rosa
Bench: Mark Seaby, Michael Braun, Adam Selwood, Chad Fletcher
As we all know, the our midfield stocks took a dive due to the untimely departures of Judd and Cousins. Kerr and Priddis are ready to go in the middle, with Matt Rosa likely to be given first crack at the other starting midfield position. With high rotation through the midfield the norm, you'd expect Stenglein, Braun, Fletcher, LeCras and Waters to also rotate through the middle at times during games. There doesn't apear to be as much flash in the midfield as there used to be, but the wide open spaces at Subi should give our midfield the chance to shine in '08.
The backline looks reasonably settled with Chick's departure the only gap to fill. Chick played more of a swingman/enforcer role, with Shannon Hurn his ideal replacement.
The forward line also looks reasonably settled with the enigmatic Rohan Jones the only departure. I see LeCras, Hansen and Waters on the half forward line with McNamara, Lynch and Staker at full forward. I'm convinced the Club is looking for a second tall option on the full forward line, with Seaby and Cox drifting forward regularly last year and causing match up problems. I've given Staker the first crack at what could be a hotly contested spot in 2008
Seaby (ruck), and Braun, Adam Selwood, and Fletcher (midfield rotation) are on the bench.
On the fringe of selection I see Sam Butler, Mitch Brown, Josh Kennedy, Chad Jones, Steven Armstrong, and Jaymie Graham. It'll be interesting to see how the ex rookies (Jones, Armstrong, and Graham) go this year.
Of the players in the starting 22 I see Brent Staker's position (Mitch Brown, Josh Kennedy, Chad Jones), and Wirrpanda and Fletcher (Sam Butler) as those most under threat by those on the fringe.
Eric Mackenzie, Will Schofield, Ben McKinley all played their first games in 2007, and should be looking for more selections in 2008.
Chris Masten, Brad Ebert, Scott Selwood, and Patrick McGinnity all look to be AFL ready, and should press for games in 2008, the only doubts I have are associated with the OP rumours re Masten.
At the development end of the list it looks like being a make a break year for Matthew Spangher who's in his 3rd year at the Club. Tim Houlihan and James Thomson will be given more time to develop, and Tony Notte is likely to be confined to the gym all year.
Of the rookies (Beau Wilkes, Lewis Stevenson, Callum Wilson, Ashley Arrowsmith, William Sullivan), I don't see any obvious promotion candidates, but you never know what opportunities may arise due to injuries; at least the Club can now groom a replacement for Cox or Seaby.
cant start a thread but its funny whats happened to sampi. leaves wc and now hasnt been picked up by anyone. anyways i reckon kennedy ebert and masten would get quite a few games. i have a feeling will walk straight into our 22.
How dare you put Selwood on the bench.
Obeanie1
11 Dec 2007, 17:30
Apart from Wirra playing back pocket thats a decent line up.
Wirra will play mostly forward IMO and drift back loose across half back when we're in trouble. He's lost his pace getting older and opposition now get him one on one in the square and expose him.
J Mac goes to the bench, Le Cras and Embely rotate in the pocket / half forward.
Staker will be under enormous preasure from Brown, Kennedy, C Jones and even Graham to hold the third tall spot.
fb: nicoski glass selwood
hb: b.jones hunter waters
c: rosa stenglien braun
hf: lecras hansen embley
ff: wirrapunda lynch (one of the i/c players)
r: cox kerr priddis
i/c: seaby staker butler hurn fletcher
thats the 22.
I like that 22. Kennedy and Brown will be keeping Staker on his toes. Everyone seems to forget Graham. I loved it when he was in the backline, because it gave Hunter less responsibility and more of an opprtunity to run off his man or push forward. I think we missed him alot last year. If he can bulk up a little more and get a bit more speed he could play CHB. He is very very agile for his size and is a good kick. Am i the only one with faith in him?
West Coast Premiers 2006
11 Dec 2007, 22:07
Can someone tell me what West Coast were doing letting Ash Thornton train with the club still but not picking him up again in the rookie draft or pre season. That really doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone tell me what West Coast were doing letting Ash Thornton train with the club still but not picking him up again in the rookie draft or pre season. That really doesn't make sense to me.
It was between him and Wilkes and we chose Wilkes instead. Collingwood had 8 players training with them and didnt pick up a single one of them. It happens all the time.
tonywce23
11 Dec 2007, 22:11
Can someone tell me what West Coast were doing letting Ash Thornton train with the club still but not picking him up again in the rookie draft or pre season. That really doesn't make sense to me.
They obviously didn't think he was up to scratch or committed enough, same with Melbourne and Sampi
Gunnar Longshanks
11 Dec 2007, 22:53
Now that all the drafts are over, this is where I think the team is at.
The starting 22:
FB: Brett Jones, Darren Glass, David Wirrpanda
HB: Shannon Hurn, Adam Hunter, Tyson Stenglein
Centre: Andrew Embley, Matt Priddis, Mark Nicoski
HF: Mark LeCras, Ashley Hansen, Beau Waters
FF: Jamie McNamara, Quinten Lynch, Brent Staker
Ruck: Dean Cox, Daniel Kerr, Matt Rosa
Bench: Mark Seaby, Michael Braun, Adam Selwood, Chad Fletcher
Ease up.
McNamara is promising, but best 22 is a stretch.
A fit Sam Butler would walk into our best side. He's a 22-year-old premiership player who is also a natural centreman.
I reckon Brent Staker and Chad Fletcher are going to have their work cut out holding their spots this year.
We've got Mitch Brown and Josh Kennedy knocking on the door, so Staker would want to start kicking some goals.
And we now know what shape our future midfield will take, so Fletcher needs a good season or the temptation to play Masten, Ebert, Selwood or McGinnity in his place will prove too strong.
Gunnar Longshanks
11 Dec 2007, 23:00
Everyone seems to forget Graham.
Am i the only one with faith in him?I definitely like Graham as an option.
He moves well and has exceptional skills for a big man.
He is also totally capable of pinch-hitting forward, and I like the flexibility he provides by allowing us to release Hunter.
But he needs to be able to take the best CHFs, otherwise Hunter gets stuck there and the benefits of including Graham evaporate.
There were a few occasions last year where Graham looked out of his depth against the class forwards. In theory, he should be a perfect match-up for Riewoldt or Pavlich, but on exposed form he doesn't seem to be good enough to do those jobs.
He's well worth hanging onto, but after an impressive 2006 he seemed to go backwards in 2007.
Graham was injured for most of 2007.
Total_Juddshanks
12 Dec 2007, 09:54
Yep, Graham had the year from hell.
You compare West Coast's list to a side like Freo's, and there's no doubt that our last 3 or 4 drafts have set the club up for the next 4 or 5 years- I suspect we'll start to enter another peak about 09/10, when the Hurn era of players all enter their prime.
The only thing which concerns me, (and incidentally makes me very bitter about the decisions of certain former club captains) is we are probably going to see the best of Cox and Glass in 2007 and 2008. Simultaneously having the outright best performing ruckman and outright best performing fullback in the league is something a team might experience once every 20 years, and its an enormous boon in finals football. If we aren't contending whilst those guys are in their prime, its a huge waste.
Isandula
12 Dec 2007, 10:01
Staker under pressure? Pfffttt come on people listen to what your saying. :rolleyes: :)
I would assume that Butler would be straight in the team if fit too.
Gunnar Longshanks
12 Dec 2007, 10:53
Staker under pressure? Pfffttt come on people listen to what your saying. :rolleyes: :)
What makes you think Staker is an automatic selection?
We have Brown and Kennedy pushing for his spot as the third tall in attack.
Staker has shown very little in defence and playing him as a tall wingman has never really yielded much reward.
Staker needs to start stringing it together. He's played enough football.
Isandula
12 Dec 2007, 11:06
What makes you think Staker is an automatic selection?
We have Brown and Kennedy pushing for his spot as the third tall in attack.
Staker has shown very little in defence and playing him as a tall wingman has never really yielded much reward.
Staker needs to start stringing it together. He's played enough football.
Me coz Im sponsoring him and why would I say he's not an automatic selection, silly to say otherwise :rolleyes: However its only the very beginning, I haven't got really started at all yet, just wait to the season starts ;)
daddy_4_eyes
12 Dec 2007, 11:23
Me coz Im sponsoring him and why would I say he's not an automatic selection, silly to say otherwise :rolleyes: However its only the very beginning, I haven't got really started at all yet, just wait to the season starts ;)
So, this sponsorship thing, does it count towards the salary cap?
Isandula
12 Dec 2007, 11:34
So, this sponsorship thing, does it count towards the salary cap?
No that I know of, though considering the player Im sponsoring I wouldnt have minded been payed as I have my work cut out :cool:
rowanjonesy
12 Dec 2007, 12:33
fb: bjones glass hurn
hb: selwood hunter waters
c: nicoski stenglien braun
hf: lecras hansen embley
ff: wirrapunda lynch kennedy
r: cox kerr priddis
i/c: seaby staker mcnamara rosa
hurn to take small speedy forward
selwood to tag dangerous half forward/attack mid
nicoski to develop into damaging attackin wingman
stenglien to take best mid
lecras kennedy interchangeable across full forward anf half forward
embley to be attackin half forward come mid come loose man in defence
staker lucky to be in but can fill a variety of roles and gives us an extra tall defensive option (replacements graham brown)
look for ebert masten butler and mckenzie to push for selection
Staker is a automatic selection because he literally plays every single position on the ground. Versatility is important. Hes our Michael Johnson or Joel Bowden.
larrikin
12 Dec 2007, 12:46
Staker is a automatic selection because he literally plays every single position on the ground. Versatility is important. Hes our Michael Johnson or Joel Bowden.
Lord no
Isandula
12 Dec 2007, 12:52
Lord no
Yes I agree that is a little scary and no way true
Jimmy_the_Gent
12 Dec 2007, 12:56
People have really forgotten about Chad Jones quickly. Not too long ago I'd see people post their best 22 with him in the FP, now he doesn't get a thread on the Eagles Nest board.
IMO, he'll be ahead of Brown, maybe even Kennedy, for the first part of 2008 and he's a big reason of Staker will be under pressure.
Lord no
LOL I knew that would rev someone up. I was going to put Kepler Bradleys name instead but thought that was more realistic :)
tonywce23
12 Dec 2007, 13:01
People have really forgotten about Chad Jones quickly. Not too long ago I'd see people post their best 22 with him in the FP, now he doesn't get a thread on the Eagles Nest board.
IMO, he'll be ahead of Brown, maybe even Kennedy, for the first part of 2008 and he's a big reason of Staker will be under pressure.
Jones kicked 3 goals on debut for West Coast against Adelaide, but since then he has shown nothing. Will be nothing more than a depth player I'd say
Isandula
12 Dec 2007, 13:01
LOL I knew that would rev someone up. I was going to put Kepler Bradleys name instead but thought that was more realistic :)
Your jokes are not very funny :thumbsd:
Your jokes are not very funny :thumbsd:
Hows about a cup of harden the **** up junior. Onto Staker. A 196cm bloke who is the fastest player on our list isnt going to get dropped. Play him as a midfielder. Anywhere. Staker has the answers.
Sick of people bagging him because he played all year with injury. If Kerr had shin splints youd all be peeing yourselves over how good hes gonna be next year. Why not the same with Staker. Staker played all year about 20% fit and still owned
fb: bjones glass hurn
hb: selwood hunter waters
c: nicoski stenglien braun
hf: lecras hansen embley
ff: wirrapunda lynch kennedy
r: cox kerr priddis
i/c: seaby staker mcnamara rosa
hurn to take small speedy forward
selwood to tag dangerous half forward/attack mid
nicoski to develop into damaging attackin wingman
stenglien to take best mid
lecras kennedy interchangeable across full forward anf half forward
embley to be attackin half forward come mid come loose man in defence
staker lucky to be in but can fill a variety of roles and gives us an extra tall defensive option (replacements graham brown)
look for ebert masten butler and mckenzie to push for selection
i seriously dont know how you can have macnamara ahead of butler. whilst macnamara looks like a promising player i dont think hes in the best 22. butler a 22 year old premiership player with real centerman talent is in for sure if fit.
SS_Fury
12 Dec 2007, 13:09
stakers the fastest on our list?
Isandula
12 Dec 2007, 13:10
Hows about a cup of harden the **** up junior. Onto Staker. A 196cm bloke who is the fastest player on our list isnt going to get dropped. Play him as a midfielder. Anywhere. Staker has the answers.
Sick of people bagging him because he played all year with injury. If Kerr had shin splints youd all be peeing yourselves over how good hes gonna be next year. Why not the same with Staker. Staker played all year about 20% fit and still owned
Lol now your funny, bty what a cup of harden the **** up??? What are the these * :confused: :)
Good to see someone actually seeing Staker as a half decent player :thumbsu:
Thats one person less I have to convince.
stakers the fastest on our list?
Out of curiosity, who would you think is the fastest?
Lol now your funny, bty what a cup of harden the **** up??? What are the these * :confused: :)
Good to see someone actually seeing Staker as a half decent player :thumbsu:
Thats one person less I have to convince.
Remember that slips catch on one leg against Sydney I think. If Judd did that the media would still be pooping themselves over it. They would dedicate a ****ing round to it next season, But because Staker did it we all forgot about it 2 weeks later. How quickly people forget. IIRC also Staker completely assraped Bundy Franklin in the NAB Cup. What cant the great man do
SS_Fury
12 Dec 2007, 13:14
good question
will schofield by the looks of it....i believe hurn is deceptively quick...i have no idea
i know, Beau Waters :D...he would lay everyone out before they finished
stakers ok, thats the problem he can be so much more. he steadily improves every year but only shows glimces of his true talent.
if he gets his shit together and starts firing, he is a massive weapon because of his ability to fill many roles. fast leading forward/agile tall backman/tagging midfielder.
Staker's versatility will work in his favour.
stakers ok, thats the problem he can be so much more. he keeps getting injured in the middle of the year and only showing glimpses of his talent
if he gets a injure free year together and starts firing, he is a massive weapon because of his ability to fill many roles. fast leading forward/agile tall backman/tagging midfielder.
Edited for accuracy. Dont mistake injury for inconsistency like the rest of the mindless dweebs who hate Staker so much
Isandula
12 Dec 2007, 13:16
good question
will schofield by the looks of it....i believe hurn is deceptively quick...i have no idea
i know, Beau Waters :D...he would lay everyone out before they finished
Staker is very quick off the mark, if I remember correctly he was the second quickest behind Judd when he did once upon a time in the past play for the Eagles.
good question
will schofield by the looks of it....i believe hurn is deceptively quick...i have no idea
i know, Beau Waters :D...he would lay everyone out before they finished
Schofield is close but ive seen Staker burn the likes of Judd Cousins at training before
Lynch is also insanely quick over 20m which no one really realises
SS_Fury
12 Dec 2007, 13:17
i remember he played a blinder last year when he just palmed people off, turned the corner and kicked a snap goal...i think the same game he took that diving 1 handed mark...your right his versitility does work in his favour
Edited for accuracy. Dont mistake injury for inconsistency like the rest of the mindless dweebs who hate Staker so much
we'll see how this year goes then. if hes injury free then he should become a star of the side.
SS_Fury
12 Dec 2007, 13:18
didnt know staker was that quick, not as quick as judd...cuz was never really a sprinter compared...didnt think lynchy was that quick over busts too. I supposed he has to be!
didnt know staker was that quick, not as quick as judd...cuz was never really a sprinter compared...didnt think lynchy was that quick over busts too. I supposed he has to be!
Lynch leap is also very very big too. Probably has the biggest leap at the club. You can see it when he rucks too. He gets up there dont he
what does everyone reckon of fletchers chances this year.
i think, if fit and in form hes in the 22. if not, younger players will overtake him.
seems to be a little out of favour.
rowanjonesy
12 Dec 2007, 13:23
i seriously dont know how you can have macnamara ahead of butler. whilst macnamara looks like a promising player i dont think hes in the best 22. butler a 22 year old premiership player with real centerman talent is in for sure if fit.
butler hasnt been fit for a while mcnamara impressed me this season with his quick hands and in and under skills.
I think butler needs to have a huge pre season sort out his injuries get some form either in NAB or WAFL. I agree butler is an excellent player though. I did name butler as one of the players to push for selection
On another note no way in a million years staker is the fastest player on our list.
And if he had shin splints then he should of rested. Otherwise no excuses. Shin splints can be managed.
what does everyone reckon of fletchers chances this year.
i think, if fit and in form hes in the 22. if not, younger players will overtake him.
seems to be a little out of favour.
Had the same groin troubles that Judd had all year. He will fire doing what he does best and thats winning clearances. Fletcher as a half forward flanker was scary
I still remember his 06 Grand Final. Should of won the Norm Smith that day IMO
butler hasnt been fit for a while mcnamara impressed me this season with his quick hands and in and under skills.
I think butler needs to have a huge pre season sort out his injuries get some form either in NAB or WAFL. I agree butler is an excellent player though. I did name butler as one of the players to push for selection
On another note no way in a million years staker is the fastest player on our list.
And if he had shin splints then he should of rested. Otherwise no excuses. Shin splints can be managed.
And exactly which Key Position dynamo was going to take his spot. The OP riddled Mitch Brown?, The injured Jaymie Graham or was Embley going to have to play CHF by himself?
staker is actually the fastest player on our list. sorry to let everyone down.
jesterwester
12 Dec 2007, 13:28
what does everyone reckon of fletchers chances this year.
i think, if fit and in form hes in the 22. if not, younger players will overtake him.
seems to be a little out of favour.
Mostly on bigfooty he is out of favour, sure he missed the first part of the year, but at least he kept his spot.
Besides, we need him for when we play adelaide..
In term of the eagles list at the moment, we are in a mobile rebuild. Very difficult to do, considering we finished 5th this year (3rd in the h&a)
We have the stocks though, it is a very mature list with a lot of youngsters. Very similar to the aussie cricket team at the moment. Most players have to really prove themselves before they get a chance in the big league, but once they are there, prove to the football world why they are..
Obeanie1
12 Dec 2007, 13:31
what does everyone reckon of fletchers chances this year.
i think, if fit and in form hes in the 22. if not, younger players will overtake him.
seems to be a little out of favour.
Ummmm.....Yep:cool:
His age, pace, injuries and that other * next to his name has lowered him down the pecking order.
I can see him playing more this year than last if fit, the mix of experience and youth needs to be right. No RoJo, Cuz J**d and Chick. Three of these guys played off a half fowrard last year which is one of Fletchers possies along with playing out of the centre square.
rowanjonesy
12 Dec 2007, 13:57
And exactly which Key Position dynamo was going to take his spot. The OP riddled Mitch Brown?, The injured Jaymie Graham or was Embley going to have to play CHF by himself?\
EMBLEY AT CHF HAHAHAHAHAHA have u forgotten about one of our most important players in ash hansen??
When did i say staker wasnt goin to play?? He is obviously a fav of yours.
I had him in my team (if u checked) because of his versatility. I dont think mitch brown can push to replace staker. He has the biggest case of FIGJAM before he even played round 1 against sydney and after that it was 10 times worse
Our problem happens when a team has an excellent CHF and we wanted hunter to go forward. Hunter is a too loose a checkin chb. He is always standing 2 metres behind his player and quite often is 4 metres behind by the time the contest happens.
Is staker then the best option at CHB?
Jamie Graham will always be a backup because of his versatility. He cant play on a fast leading CHF because he is to slow off the mark.
dont know about your comments regarding mitch brown. seems to have a good attitude towards the game, really shirty about the club.
rowanjonesy
12 Dec 2007, 14:00
staker is actually the fastest player on our list. sorry to let everyone down.
can you explain this with stats?
is it over 5 metres or 50?
does it take into count brain capacity, knowing when to use your speed and when not to?
He doesnt read the play well or quick enough.
Anticipation and game play are just as important as speed.
i didnt say he was the smartest. i said he was the fastest, theres a difference.
rowanjonesy
12 Dec 2007, 14:05
dont know about your comments regarding mitch brown. seems to have a good attitude towards the game, really shirty about the club.
I can guarantee you mitch brown was seen by players as far too cocky. I hope this is something he will grow out of. He could be a very versatile and exciting footballer for the club.
I think everyone needs to realise just because there was 1 news article about how he put muscle on doesnt mean he is going to drastically improve. Al though I hope he does.
rowanjonesy
12 Dec 2007, 14:07
i didnt say he was the smartest. i said he was the fastest, theres a difference.
Ok. Please explain your defintion of fastest. Do u mean he is the fastest to react to 3 2 1 countdown over 10 metres?
Of does he look the fastest on tv to you
We have a full list.
Thats how I see the state of our list. :thumbsu:
Jimmy_the_Gent
12 Dec 2007, 14:50
Jones kicked 3 goals on debut for West Coast against Adelaide, but since then he has shown nothing. Will be nothing more than a depth player I'd say
He would've had a far better opening few games for us if he kicked straighter. As most would remember he hit the post about 3 times in one game.
Anyhow, I do agree that when everything is said and done he'll be a depth player. He doesn't really have enough tricks at the moment (lead, mark, kick) but hopefully with West Coast development he adds something to his game and makes good.
Still, having said that, come round 1 I wouldn't be shocked to see him ahead of Brown and Kennedy. I don't think it'll last long but there you go. Brown and Kennedy just stike me as not ready yet, maybe after I see some pre-season training I'll change my tune.
Finally, what may hurt Staker, IMO, is that CoJo wont have many bad WAFL games and it'll get harder and harder to ignore him, which means that if Staker has too many bad games in a row for the Eagles the selection panel may have to pull the trigger just for fairness sake.
As for the fastest at the club thing, I heard a couple of pre-seasons ago that we had 4 players who ran the 400m fast enough to get a birth at Australian qualifiers. They were Staker, Judd, Cousins and Armstrong.
I'm still not sure about Army and the other 2 are gone so if you believe it...
SS_Fury
12 Dec 2007, 16:37
lil armys legs would have to be motering lol....Cuz never strikes me as a fast player, just an endurance runner
Ok. Please explain your defintion of fastest. Do u mean he is the fastest to react to 3 2 1 countdown over 10 metres?
Of does he look the fastest on tv to you
if i got the whole west coast list and made them do a non endurance length run, where fitness is not relied on, the fastest person would win. ie staker.
Gunnar Longshanks
13 Dec 2007, 11:04
fb: bjones glass hurn
hb: selwood hunter waters
c: nicoski stenglien braun
hf: lecras hansen embley
ff: wirrapunda lynch kennedy
r: cox kerr priddis
i/c: seaby staker mcnamara rosa
look for ebert masten butler and mckenzie to push for selectionI think a few people are under-rating Sam Butler purely because he's missed a season.
He's a 22-year-old premiership player. He was best 22 when we won a flag. I reckon he'll be best 22 now that we've lost five guys from that side.
He was really maturing during the 2006 finals series. I think he averaged 20+ touches throughout.
If he is fit, he will be best 22. Picking a a kid like McNamara ahead of him is a bit bizarre.
Gunnar Longshanks
13 Dec 2007, 11:08
Is staker then the best option at CHB?When has Staker shown anything as a key defender.
I can't remember him playing a game that has made me think "hmmm, maybe he could hold down CHB".
Has he ever done a job on a classy tall forward while playing in defence?
rowanjonesy
13 Dec 2007, 12:13
When has Staker shown anything as a key defender.
I can't remember him playing a game that has made me think "hmmm, maybe he could hold down CHB".
Has he ever done a job on a classy tall forward while playing in defence?
If you read the following quote from earlier I was actually referring to staker being the back up defender or attacker starting from the bench. He will never fill down chb or chf.
staker lucky to be in but can fill a variety of roles and gives us an extra tall defensive option (replacements graham brown)
Staker is our versatile tall with a great aerobic capacity. He doesnt command a regular starting place in a specific position but is ok for the 3rd tall defense or attack.
Obeanie1
13 Dec 2007, 13:26
When has Staker shown anything as a key defender.
I can't remember him playing a game that has made me think "hmmm, maybe he could hold down CHB".
Has he ever done a job on a classy tall forward while playing in defence?
Just posted elsewhere that I'd like to see Staker play CHB so we can release Hunter as either a attacking HBF or forward. Staker has played in the backline, mainly as the third tall taking on a resting ruckman or third tall. When Hunter is struggling with pace thats where Staker fits in, also with another preseason he'll be stronger yet again.
He just needs to get more aggressive like Hunter and back his ability. No doubt he's got the height, pace, agility and tank to play as an attacking CHB.
Also think he can play as a ruck / rover around the ground, not sure about taking centre bounces but then again he could be the one who puts on the blocks for Kerr / Pridis and Co.
Oh, he did a good job on Franklin I seem to recall in one game.
tonywce23
13 Dec 2007, 13:28
Just posted elsewhere that I'd like to see Staker play CHB so we can release Hunter as either a attacking HBF or forward. Staker has played in the backline, mainly as the third tall taking on a resting ruckman or third tall. When Hunter is struggling with pace thats where Staker fits in, also with another preseason he'll be stronger yet again.
He just needs to get more aggressive like Hunter and back his ability. No doubt he's got the height, pace, agility and tank to play as an attacking CHB.
Also think he can play as a ruck / rover around the ground, not sure about taking centre bounces but then again he could be the one who puts on the blocks for Kerr / Pridis and Co.
Oh, he did a good job on Franklin I seem to recall in one game.
Pretty sure that was Brett Jones, in the game against the Hawks down in Tassie this year
dobbo_18
13 Dec 2007, 13:45
Originally Posted by Total Juddshanks
The only thing which concerns me, (and incidentally makes me very bitter about the decisions of certain former club captains) is we are probably going to see the best of Cox and Glass in 2007 and 2008. Simultaneously having the outright best performing ruckman and outright best performing fullback in the league is something a team might experience once every 20 years, and its an enormous boon in finals football. If we aren't contending whilst those guys are in their prime, its a huge waste.
Cox and Glass are going to be awesome players until at least 2011. You have nothing to worry about when it comes to those 2, they're both class performers.
peterss
13 Dec 2007, 13:56
FB: B. Jones - Glass - Selwood
HB: Waters - Hunter - Hurn
C: Butler - Stenglein - Braun
HF: Embley - Hansen - LeCras
FF: Wirra - Lynch - Kennedy
RR: Cox - Priddis - Kerr
BENCH: Seaby - Rosa - Nicoski - Schofield
EMG: Staker - Masten - McKinley
dobbo_18
13 Dec 2007, 13:58
Originally Posted by Embers
Lynch is also insanely quick over 20m which no one really realises
I'm pretty sure Lynch holds the 100m sprint record at Aquinas.
dobbo_18
13 Dec 2007, 14:23
Originally Posted by Gunnar Longshanks
He was really maturing during the 2006 finals series. I think he averaged 20+ touches throughout.
I'm pretty sure he averaged close to 22 possessions for the whole of the 2006 season, let alone just the finals series. One thing that defines Butler is class, when he has the ball in his hand he just seems to make things happen. To use a cliche "he just seems to have more time than other players".
Gunnar Longshanks
13 Dec 2007, 14:24
Just posted elsewhere that I'd like to see Staker play CHB so we can release Hunter as either a attacking HBF or forward. The problem is that Staker has never shown anything as a key defender.
He'd get monstered by Brown or Pavlich.
I consider Graham a better fit at CHB than Staker, but I also have major doubts about Graham's ability to play that role.
Is Hunter not good enough to hold down CHB anymore?
Staker wouldnt be a great option at all in the backline.
tonywce23
13 Dec 2007, 14:30
The problem is that Staker has never shown anything as a key defender.
He'd get monstered by Brown or Pavlich.
I consider Graham a better fit at CHB than Staker, but I also have major doubts about Graham's ability to play that role.
Graham lacks the pace off the mark to be a genuine option at CHB
staker killed tarrant in the first derby this year. he had like 20 odd touches aswell. he couldnt play on a pavlich, brown or hall but he is ok on the lesser forwards.
rowanjonesy
13 Dec 2007, 14:35
Graham lacks the pace off the mark to be a genuine option at CHB
true that. Graham is just a fraction slow off the mark and it changin direction to play on the quick mobile chf's
we dont really have that many quality options at chb besides hunter. And if u can remember travis cloke's game in the finals series then there should be serious concerns about hunters defensive pressure on a chf who leads hard up the ground
true that. Graham is just a fraction slow off the mark and it changin direction to play on the quick mobile chf's
we dont really have that many quality options at chb besides hunter. And if u can remember travis cloke's game in the finals series then there should be serious concerns about hunters defensive pressure on a chf who leads hard up the ground
Riewoldt always does well on Hunter when he leads up the ground more. Saying that though, Riewoldt is an Awesome player that would beat most opponents.
daddy_4_eyes
14 Dec 2007, 08:19
we dont really have that many quality options at chb besides hunter. And if u can remember travis cloke's game in the finals series then there should be serious concerns about hunters defensive pressure on a chf who leads hard up the ground
I don't know about you, but I've got very little faith in Hunter at CHB. He's a quality 3rd tall, but as a CHB he's ordinary. Gets destroyed by the quality players, just look at his game on Lucas in the 4th qtr in Rd22 this year.
Too much is left to Glass. IMO we need to bite the bullet and bring up one of our young tall defenders (McKenzie? Spangher?). With so much youth in our side, and most of us resigned to a couple years of rebuilding before another premiership tilt, I think its the ideal time to do this.
Eagles 4 Mine
14 Dec 2007, 08:45
Lynch leap is also very very big too. Probably has the biggest leap at the club. You can see it when he rucks too. He gets up there dont he
I don't like Lynch as ruckman doesn't do it for me sorry if I offend anyone with this statement.
Gunnar Longshanks
14 Dec 2007, 09:15
Graham lacks the pace off the mark to be a genuine option at CHBPerhaps, but he's shown more as a tall defender than Staker.
sydney eagle
14 Dec 2007, 12:30
I don't like Lynch as ruckman doesn't do it for me sorry if I offend anyone with this statement. I also prefer him as a key position player; full forward or Centre half back. I think that he is wasted as a ruckman.
tonywce23
14 Dec 2007, 12:34
Perhaps, but he's shown more as a tall defender than Staker.
That's not saying much
I don't know about you, but I've got very little faith in Hunter at CHB. He's a quality 3rd tall, but as a CHB he's ordinary. Gets destroyed by the quality players, just look at his game on Lucas in the 4th qtr in Rd22 this year.
Too much is left to Glass. IMO we need to bite the bullet and bring up one of our young tall defenders (McKenzie? Spangher?). With so much youth in our side, and most of us resigned to a couple years of rebuilding before another premiership tilt, I think its the ideal time to do this.
I'm not sure I'd go as far as "I've got very little faith in Hunter at CHB" but it does highlight the importance of developing another key defender in the Club. IMO the Eagles have too many forward KPPs, and therefore efforts need to be made to try some of them in the backline. Who's to say Kennedy or Chad Jones wouldn't work well at CHB?
I also prefer him as a key position player; full forward or Centre half back. I think that he is wasted as a ruckman.
I've got to agree with you on this one. Taking Lynch out of the forward line to put him in the ruck totally unbalances West Coast's forward structure IMO. I don't have a problem with him taking ruck duties deep in the forward line but anything more than 30 m from goal is a waste.
rowanjonesy
14 Dec 2007, 13:48
I don't know about you, but I've got very little faith in Hunter at CHB. He's a quality 3rd tall, but as a CHB he's ordinary. Gets destroyed by the quality players, just look at his game on Lucas in the 4th qtr in Rd22 this year.
Too much is left to Glass. IMO we need to bite the bullet and bring up one of our young tall defenders (McKenzie? Spangher?). With so much youth in our side, and most of us resigned to a couple years of rebuilding before another premiership tilt, I think its the ideal time to do this.
i agree hunter got towled up by a number of chf's including lucas and cloke
rowanjonesy
14 Dec 2007, 13:49
That's not saying much
damn straight
i agree with saying that hunter plays best when on the oppositions 3rd tall. it gives him a liscence to run off them and also its not likely that they'll be able to beat him in 1 on 1 contests.
if graham/staker/mackenzie or whoever was able to hold down the oppositions 2nd tall it would be great for us.
sydney eagle
15 Dec 2007, 13:16
I would like to think that MacKenzie could be the man. I hope that he can have a big season next year.
I would like Graham to have first tilt at CHB. Hunter as a 3rd tall forward would be a bonus.
Obeanie1
18 Dec 2007, 10:50
i agree with saying that hunter plays best when on the oppositions 3rd tall. it gives him a liscence to run off them and also its not likely that they'll be able to beat him in 1 on 1 contests.
if graham/staker/mackenzie or whoever was able to hold down the oppositions 2nd tall it would be great for us.
When naming our best side I always have Hunter on a half back flank. He fights above his weight at CHF and does lack pace against the quicker forwards but does position himself well.
Graham or Staker IMO, Graham reads the play well, Staker has height, pace and the strength.
Brown or McKenzie could also have a shot
MaxHunt
18 Dec 2007, 11:40
When naming our best side I always have Hunter on a half back flank. He fights above his weight at CHF and does lack pace against the quicker forwards but does position himself well.
Graham or Staker IMO, Graham reads the play well, Staker has height, pace and the strength.
Brown or McKenzie could also have a shot
Im really keen for Brown to have a crack at CHB. But there must be a seasoned player on the flank next to him. Bit hard to just drop him into it.
Graham is what we missed all of this year. In 2006 when Graham was playing, Hunter was able to play off his man and do as he pleased. In 2007 with Graham injured Hunter had to be more accountable and didnt have the freedom he would have liked. We need him to set up play with his runs of HBF plus run off his man pushing forward to kick at least a goal a match.
IMHO Graham is very important to our side. Whether he plays purely at CHB or HBF, he can easily cover Hunter's man to allow him to let loose. why does everyone underrate him and bag him - he was awesome in 2006 and was very very unlucky to be dropped for Wirrapanda in the GF.
MacKenzie, Schofield etc. are all too inexperienced and small to play at CHB. Give them a couple years to develop. Staker not big enough although he has all the other attributes.
The Juddernaught
18 Dec 2007, 12:08
B: Wirrpanda Glass Waters
HB: Hurn Hunter B Jones
C: Priddis Braun Selwood
HF: Embley Hansen Rosa
F: LeCras Lynch Kennedy
1R: Cox Kerr Stenglien
Int: Seaby, Masten, Nikoski, either Fletcher/Graham
This is how it should be come round 1
AdamG03
18 Dec 2007, 12:34
B: Wirrpanda Glass Waters
HB: Hurn Hunter B Jones
C: Priddis Braun Selwood
HF: Embley Hansen Rosa
F: LeCras Lynch Kennedy
1R: Cox Kerr Stenglien
Int: Seaby, Masten, Nikoski, either Fletcher/Graham
This is how it should be come round 1
I wouldnt be upset with that lineup at all.
No mature selections missed out though right?
McKinley, Brown, Butler, plus a few young ones like McKenzie etc are the only ones that come to mind.
West Coast 06
18 Dec 2007, 13:47
B: Wirrpanda Glass Waters
HB: Hurn Hunter B Jones
C: Priddis Braun Selwood
HF: Embley Hansen Rosa
F: LeCras Lynch Kennedy
1R: Cox Kerr Stenglien
Int: Seaby, Masten, Nikoski, either Fletcher/Graham
This is how it should be come round 1
Cant see Masten getting a game in round 1. McNamara or McKinley would be more likely IMO.
Cant see Masten getting a game in round 1. McNamara or McKinley would be more likely IMO.
Agreed.
If Ebert shows a bit in the NAB cup he might debut Rnd 1 also.
But Mcnamara seems a good choice. :thumbsu:
wce_all_da_way
18 Dec 2007, 14:21
I would like to think that MacKenzie could be the man. I hope that he can have a big season next year.
Don't forget Spangher could have a shot. He was really showing improvement in the WAFL until he got injured.
Lynch takes a mark
18 Dec 2007, 14:51
Desperate for a second tall defender and I agree that it will be between Spangher Graham and Mackenzie
Graham is the oldest (~25) and has the best disposal, Spangher is the best natural defender but it would be a tough ask for him given th lack of experience and Mackenzie plays a bit too loose and isn't a great stopper compared to the others.
beatlesmith
19 Dec 2007, 01:27
Hmmm, I see Mackenzie and Schofield as defenders that play on the weaker opposition forwards and run off them. I could also see Schofield used as a back flanker that breaks the lines or the loose man in defence. I see Spangher as a natural attacking CHB. Not too sure about callum wilson. Over the next few years, i think we have to find a rock FB like glass to replace him when he retires.
sydney eagle
19 Dec 2007, 07:49
Don't forget Spangher could have a shot. He was really showing improvement in the WAFL until he got injured. Not being in Western Australia I have seen very little of Spangher so I don't really know how to rate him. Of course I would love to see him get a chance in the team (I have said on a number of occasions that I want to give all the new boys and "fringe" players a run in the preseason !) I hope that he is over his injury problems and can push for games next season.
Obeanie1
19 Dec 2007, 12:53
Im really keen for Brown to have a crack at CHB. But there must be a seasoned player on the flank next to him. Bit hard to just drop him into it.
When you look at it CHB is the one possi in defence we can develop someone and still surround them with solid experienced backmen.
Backmen: Glass, Hunter, Waters, A Selwood, B Jones, Steiglien, Nicoski, Wirrapunda even Embely.