View Full Version : Expansion What would a Western Sydney team look like?
Jumper?
Logo?
Colours?
What would they be called?
Waverley73
12 Dec 2007, 13:25
This is what their on-ball (pun intended) division looks like (showing their home strip, away strip, alternative strip, night game strip and vs Collingwood strip):
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/MakaveliBone/UglyPeople.jpg
Peacock
13 Dec 2007, 10:24
http://www.nybma.com/images_flyers/newjc.jpg
Subprime
13 Dec 2007, 13:24
West Sydney Wombats
Dunno about the jumper but the mascot is already a superstar
http://www.acromedia.com/blog/images/fatso.gif
Mickdog
17 Dec 2007, 10:12
West Sydney Wolves would work well. Colours should be blue for NSW or a mixture of browns, red and whites for a wolf.
Going to be a great day for the AFL when they get a team up here. Can't wait
McCrann
17 Dec 2007, 16:25
West Sydney Wolves would work well. Colours should be blue for NSW or a mixture of browns, red and whites for a wolf.
Going to be a great day for the AFL when they get a team up here. Can't wait
Completely agree with West Sydney Wolves, WSW would make a great logo, although that makes me think a team from North Sydney would possibly work even better
North Sydney Wolves FC (NSW FC?)
Maybe we should put a team on the North Shore afterall - they would be sure to get a bunch of support.
We can go to West Sydney when we're putting a 3rd team into Sydney.
West Sydney Wolves would work well. Colours should be blue for NSW or a mixture of browns, red and whites for a wolf.
Going to be a great day for the AFL when they get a team up here. Can't wait
The last thing the AFL need is another team with Blue on their guernsey. We already have the Bulldogs, Kangaroos and Geelong (sort of) which is enough. A West Sydney team should pick a colour which isnt really used at the moment like Green, Yellow and Orange (proper Orange not a Hawthorn Orange).
McCrann
17 Dec 2007, 16:59
The last thing the AFL need is another team with Blue on their guernsey. We already have the Bulldogs, Kangaroos and Geelong (sort of) which is enough. A West Sydney team should pick a colour which isnt really used at the moment like Green, Yellow and Orange (proper Orange not a Hawthorn Orange).
This is where alternate jumpers come into it.
Ever wondered why Man United, Arsenal and Liverpool all wear Red? Because on a subliminal level it works.
Red means hungry, red means angry, red means passion etc. etc. etc. They are the 3 most succesful clubs in the England - and they all wear the same colour! So what??
Colours should be chosen with 2 things in mind.
To be idenitifable with the area that the team is from. If West Sydney/NSW identifies with a shade of Blue - then it should be Blue.
Also, to be in stark contrast to Sydney. Ie - NO RED. Which colour most opposes Red - It if of course Blue.
Look at Manchester
Manchester United - Red
Manchester City - (Sky) Blue
Look at Liverpool (AREA)
Liverpool - Red
Everton - Royal Blue
Look at London (2 Biggest Teams)
Arsenal - Red
Chelsea - Royal Blue
Seeing a pattern? We shouldn't have any hang-ups about letting another Blue team into the competition - if that's the colour they decide will work best for them against Sydney - we should realise that it doesn't worry anyone overseas, so why should it worry us?
This is where alternate jumpers come into it.
Ever wondered why Man United, Arsenal and Liverpool all wear Red? Because on a subliminal level it works.
Red means hungry, red means angry, red means passion etc. etc. etc. They are the 3 most succesful clubs in the England - and they all wear the same colour! So what??
Colours should be chosen with 2 things in mind.
To be idenitifable with the area that the team is from. If West Sydney/NSW identifies with a shade of Blue - then it should be Blue.
Also, to be in stark contrast to Sydney. Ie - NO RED. Which colour most opposes Red - It if of course Blue.
Look at Manchester
Manchester United - Red
Manchester City - (Sky) Blue
Look at Liverpool (AREA)
Liverpool - Red
Everton - Royal Blue
Look at London (2 Biggest Teams)
Arsenal - Red
Chelsea - Royal Blue
Seeing a pattern? We shouldn't have any hang-ups about letting another Blue team into the competition - if that's the colour they decide will work best for them against Sydney - we should realise that it doesn't worry anyone overseas, so why should it worry us?
Why be the same as everyone else. A West Sydney team should go for colours which are completely different. I like the idea of a Rainbow colour scheme :D
Peacock
17 Dec 2007, 17:43
Ever wondered why Man United, Arsenal and Liverpool all wear Red? Because on a subliminal level it works.
Red means hungry, red means angry, red means passion etc. etc. etc.
What an absolute load of crap.
Mickdog
17 Dec 2007, 18:49
The last thing the AFL need is another team with Blue on their guernsey. We already have the Bulldogs, Kangaroos and Geelong (sort of) which is enough. A West Sydney team should pick a colour which isnt really used at the moment like Green, Yellow and Orange (proper Orange not a Hawthorn Orange).
LOL like the Bulldogs or Roos will be around for much longer anyway:rolleyes:
Mickdog
17 Dec 2007, 18:50
Completely agree with West Sydney Wolves, WSW would make a great logo, although that makes me think a team from North Sydney would possibly work even better
North Sydney Wolves FC (NSW FC?)
Maybe we should put a team on the North Shore afterall - they would be sure to get a bunch of support.
We can go to West Sydney when we're putting a 3rd team into Sydney.
Simply wouldn't work, the North of Sydney are full of Swans fans. The best way to get another tewam in Sydney is for it to be seen as the working mans Western suburbs team. Its the best way to get new supporters to the game
BK Eaglesfan
17 Dec 2007, 19:38
Be nothing wrong with a new Sydney team wearing blue, particularly if they followed the lead of the cricket and soccer team and used sky blue. The AFL teams with blue are generally royal and navy blue, so not like it'd be just another blue team.
Paddy_Mac
17 Dec 2007, 20:19
How bout the West Sydney Falcons with colours silver, navy blue and white.
With a logo kinda like the ford falcon logo.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa248/Paddy_Mac/falconlogo.jpg
Mickdog
17 Dec 2007, 20:21
How bout the West Sydney Falcons with colours silver, navy blue and white.
With a logo kinda like the ford falcon logo.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa248/Paddy_Mac/falconlogo.jpg
LOL it would apeal to all the bogans out here
Paddy_Mac
17 Dec 2007, 20:42
LOL it would apeal to all the bogans out here
lol yes well...at least it would be popular:thumbsu:
Linda Crescent
17 Dec 2007, 21:49
The last thing the AFL need is another team with Blue on their guernsey. We already have the Bulldogs, Kangaroos and Geelong (sort of) which is enough. A West Sydney team should pick a colour which isnt really used at the moment like Green, Yellow and Orange (proper Orange not a Hawthorn Orange).
"Hawthorn Orange" ?
Azzballz Deluxe
18 Dec 2007, 10:31
Whenever i think of a West Sydney club i think of misty/mountain blue type of colour. I dont like the idea of sky blue at all as it would look just as gay as the swans current jersey, and would go against that working class type mentality the west would be looking for. I like the idea of "Wolves" as thier moniker, sounds alot better than the "Swans" :o.
If a second sydney club does come into the comp, i think it has to be in the west, as the east-yuppie-snob mentality vs the working class-man's man's mentality would help a lot in getting at least a passing interest from those rugby-yobbo types that see the swans as being a soft, gay yuppie team, and thus unfortunately identify this image with aussie rules (or "AFL") itself.
Paddy_Mac
18 Dec 2007, 11:13
Whenever i think of a West Sydney club i think of misty/mountain blue type of colour. I dont like the idea of sky blue at all as it would look just as gay as the swans current jersey, and would go against that working class type mentality the west would be looking for. I like the idea of "Wolves" as thier moniker, sounds alot better than the "Swans" :o.
If a second sydney club does come into the comp, i think it has to be in the west, as the east-yuppie-snob mentality vs the working class-man's man's mentality would help a lot in getting at least a passing interest from those rugby-yobbo types that see the swans as being a soft, gay yuppie team, and thus unfortunately identify this image with aussie rules (or "AFL") itself.
Maybe have the colours like the Minnesota Timberwolves.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa248/Paddy_Mac/images.jpg
Azzballz Deluxe
18 Dec 2007, 11:20
Maybe have the colours like the Minnesota Timberwolves.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa248/Paddy_Mac/images.jpg
Now your on the trolley :thumbsu:
TigerCraig
18 Dec 2007, 12:17
Wolves is taken :)
http://www.mwafc.sydneyafl.com.au/
Paddy_Mac
18 Dec 2007, 13:01
Wolves is taken :)
http://www.mwafc.sydneyafl.com.au/
So what if they have the same name.
Azzballz Deluxe
18 Dec 2007, 13:29
Wolves is taken :)
http://www.mwafc.sydneyafl.com.au/
You cant be serious
Mickdog
18 Dec 2007, 15:39
Wolves is taken :)
http://www.mwafc.sydneyafl.com.au/
LMFAO!
rfctigerarmy
18 Dec 2007, 16:15
How bout the West Sydney Falcons with colours silver, navy blue and white.
With a logo kinda like the ford falcon logo.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa248/Paddy_Mac/falconlogo.jpg
Ford Performance Vehicles*
Silver, Navy Blue and White = Kangaroos and Geelong. Its too popular.
How long did it take to think of your idea?
0.35 seconds?
Linda Crescent
18 Dec 2007, 20:25
Simply wouldn't work, the North of Sydney are full of Swans fans. The best way to get another tewam in Sydney is for it to be seen as the working mans Western suburbs team. Its the best way to get new supporters to the game
Totally agree 'Mickdog' its the West and Sth West of Sydney, and there are Aussie Rules ovals dotted throughout the region already. This is where the 'bums on seats' will come from, not the North or East.
Glory and Fame
18 Dec 2007, 20:58
Green is under-represented among AFL clubs. A new club would look good in green & gold; or green, blue and white.
Freo had a green away strip when they first started, but other than that it hasn't appeared in AFL colours at all.
Mr Eagle
18 Dec 2007, 23:51
Green is under-represented among AFL clubs. A new club would look good in green & gold; or green, blue and white.
Freo had a green away strip when they first started, but other than that it hasn't appeared in AFL colours at all.
Green is definitely a prime candidate. But a decent kelly green or dark green, not the awful lime green the Canberra Raiders use :(
rfctigerarmy
19 Dec 2007, 08:56
Green is under-represented among AFL clubs. A new club would look good in green & gold; or green, blue and white.
Freo had a green away strip when they first started, but other than that it hasn't appeared in AFL colours at all.
Cant. It clashes with the grass and sometimes the umpires. :thumbsu:
Paddy_Mac
19 Dec 2007, 09:55
Ford Performance Vehicles*
Silver, Navy Blue and White = Kangaroos and Geelong. Its too popular.
How long did it take to think of your idea?
0.35 seconds?
How is it too popular. There just colours. That's why we have clash guernseys. If it's such a problem than just change the colours.
Deenamite
19 Dec 2007, 10:16
As long as the jumper isnt ridiculously complicated i'll be happy. Simple and effective is the way to go. Green with a single yellow stripe going horizontally across the jumper.
Leather Poisoning
19 Dec 2007, 10:44
To be idenitifable with the area that the team is from. If West Sydney/NSW identifies with a shade of Blue - then it should be Blue.
Actually the true 'opposite' colour of red is green. It's made up of the other 2 primary colours and the clash is pretty painful to look at.
Other true opposites are Orange and Blue, as well as the old purple and yellow.
(New York Knicks and LA Lakers?)
Leather Poisoning
19 Dec 2007, 10:45
As long as the jumper isnt ridiculously complicated i'll be happy. Simple and effective is the way to go. Green with a single yellow stripe going horizontally across the jumper.
I've seen local teams wear this and it looks really good, in my opinion.
Paddy_Mac
19 Dec 2007, 11:01
As long as the jumper isnt ridiculously complicated i'll be happy. Simple and effective is the way to go. Green with a single yellow stripe going horizontally across the jumper.
Green has definately gotta be looked into, only one team uses it...well actually technically no one uses it coz fremantle now uses purple and white for their guernseys most of the time. Green is unoccupied. Green is a likeable colour it just has to be used well with other colours. Like yellow or white for example.
Deenamite
19 Dec 2007, 14:40
I've seen local teams wear this and it looks really good, in my opinion.
Thats basically where i got the idea from on. My old local team has a jumper thats simliar to the melbourne jumper but the red is gold and the blue is green.
TigerCraig
19 Dec 2007, 15:36
Thats basically where i got the idea from on. My old local team has a jumper thats simliar to the melbourne jumper but the red is gold and the blue is green.
Done - Willoughby Wildcats (Northern Sydney again)
http://www.wildcatsafl.com/
Paddy_Mac
20 Dec 2007, 09:56
Done - Willoughby Wildcats (Northern Sydney again)
http://www.wildcatsafl.com/
What kinda name is that the "wiloughby wildcats". First of all we already have a cats team, and second the team from what i've heard will be in west sydney not north sydney.
TigerCraig
27 Dec 2007, 09:22
What kinda name is that the "wiloughby wildcats". First of all we already have a cats team, and second the team from what i've heard will be in west sydney not north sydney.
Was talking about deenamite's jumper design
The Teflon Dean
27 Dec 2007, 12:59
The West Sydney No Skips.
http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/pal%20kids%20play%20arabs%20and%20jews.jpg
Colors: Green and White jumper with a Red Cypress tree in the middle.
greenhat
20 Jan 2008, 06:33
Aussie Rules' main problem in Western Sydney is that its seen as a arrogant Victorian sport with no respect for the local sport history and culture.
You blokes would make great ambassadors, you'd correct that untrue perception in no time!
Mickdog
21 Jan 2008, 13:44
Aussie Rules' main problem in Western Sydney is that its seen as a arrogant Victorian sport with no respect for the local sport history and culture.
You blokes would make great ambassadors, you'd correct that untrue perception in no time!
LMFAO! Its so true
Subprime
21 Jan 2008, 13:55
Aussie Rules' main problem in Western Sydney is that its seen as a arrogant Victorian sport with no respect for the local sport history and culture.
You blokes would make great ambassadors, you'd correct that untrue perception in no time!
Aussie Rules came about because a fellow called Tom Wills. who was born in New South Wales btw, called for 'a game of our own' to be created.
How 'local' do New South Welshmen need their sports history and culture to be before they'll give it a go?
Mickdog
21 Jan 2008, 14:06
Aussie Rules came about because a fellow called Tom Wills. who was born in New South Wales btw, called for 'a game of our own' to be created.
How 'local' do New South Welshmen need their sports history and culture to be before they'll give it a go?
I don't think you understood what was being said. But you certainly reinforced his point:rolleyes:
Subprime
21 Jan 2008, 14:09
I don't think you understood what was being said. But you certainly reinforced his point:rolleyes:
Not sure I understand either. What does NSW need, the code to be invented in their street before they embrace it?
greenhat
22 Jan 2008, 00:21
aha you've solved it subprime!
Go tell everyone in Sydney theyre parochial idiots for not dropping everything they know and embracing aussie rules because some guy who spent some time in NSW was a part inventor of the game.
That'll turn em!
Dally Messenger is the most recognised and idolised figure involved in the creation of Australian rugby league. He spent some of his childhood in Melbourne.
I guess that means Victorians should all give up their sporting history and get on board the NRL.
Subprime
22 Jan 2008, 08:19
aha you've solved it subprime!
Go tell everyone in Sydney theyre parochial idiots for not dropping everything they know and embracing aussie rules because some guy who spent some time in NSW was a part inventor of the game.
That'll turn em!
Dally Messenger is the most recognised and idolised figure involved in the creation of Australian rugby league. He spent some of his childhood in Melbourne.
I guess that means Victorians should all give up their sporting history and get on board the NRL.
Surely it was the NSWRL when Dally Messenger had a hand in bringing about the formation of a league. Forming a league of a sport invented 12,000 miles away is hardly the same thing as inventing an indiginous sport though, is it? The NSWRL and the NSWRU have done pretty much everything they can to inhibit the growth of Australia's indiginous football code for a hundred years or more.
So now what do you want the AFL to do, kiss the arse of Rugby League and Rugby Union statues before each game to show respect? Do you expect this of other sports as well? Would this really make a difference?
Sydneysiders have had a hundred years or more to get on board the Australian game but because it was invented in Melbourne they can't accept it as their own.
I can't help you Greenhat, I was born in Darwin and live in Adelaide and really can't be bothered with the "Its a Victorian game" bullshit spouted by Sydneysiders. Its the only game invented in Australia and if you choose to slag off your own code thats up to you.
Mickdog
22 Jan 2008, 10:48
Not sure I understand either. What does NSW need, the code to be invented in their street before they embrace it?
We have embraced it. We get some of the best crowds in the country to the Swans big games. 63k average for 3 games. They are having 4 games this year because they are doing so well in a stadium that rarely gets over 20k for Rugby League games.
The Swans membership is the highest of any club in Sydney.
I think that proves that Sydney siders are embracing AFL.
SweetLeftFoot
23 Jan 2008, 21:11
I'd prefer to see one strong Sydney team ... and I remember what a basketcase, both financially and on field it used to be ... than two mediocre or failing teams.
I'd prefer to see one strong Sydney team ... and I remember what a basketcase, both financially and on field it used to be ... than two mediocre or failing teams.
Thats' OK. Then the AFL will just relocate the Swans to GC.
I'd prefer to see one strong Sydney team ... and I remember what a basketcase, both financially and on field it used to be ... than two mediocre or failing teams.
Care to explain how that would happen with the introduction of a 2nd Sydney team?
I think West Sydney is ready for its own AFL team. People must remember that the AFL has gotten alot better at forming/relocating teams since the Swans moved to Sydney over 2 decades ago and most of the problems the Swans encountered wont be a factor. NSW is begining to warm to AFL so its time to ring in a 2nd Sydney based team. I can almost guarantee that for its 1st year a West Sydney based team would average above what most NRL teams get and even though the AFL will have to fund the West Sydney team for many years the long term benefits outweigh the short term costs in my opinion.
Azzballz Deluxe
23 Jan 2008, 22:55
I think West Sydney is ready for its own AFL team. People must remember that the AFL has gotten alot better at forming/relocating teams since the Swans moved to Sydney over 2 decades ago and most of the problems the Swans encountered wont be a factor. NSW is begining to warm to AFL so its time to ring in a 2nd Sydney based team. I can almost guarantee that for its 1st year a West Sydney based team would average above what most NRL teams get and even though the AFL will have to fund the West Sydney team for many years the long term benefits outweigh the short term costs in my opinion.
Yes, and on another note, i just read in the daily today that western sydney has a bigger economy thatn Vietnam! lol
Surely thats got to be worth something
SweetLeftFoot
23 Jan 2008, 23:49
Care to explain how that would happen with the introduction of a 2nd Sydney team?
The market could quite possibly be split. Mickdog for example is now a Swans fan but says openly he'd switch to a western Sydney team.
The market could quite possibly be split. Mickdog for example is now a Swans fan but says openly he'd switch to a western Sydney team.
Nah, it would target a different group of people. There may be the occasional deserter but the bulk of Swans fans aren't going to be ditching their memberships. IMO they'll gain members - the introduction of a 2nd club will attract new fans to both clubs, particularly after a few years when the rivalry starts to build.
If the Swans had any brains they'd privately back the new team but publicly slag the hell out of them.
Nah, it would target a different group of people. There may be the occasional deserter but the bulk of Swans fans aren't going to be ditching their memberships. IMO they'll gain members - the introduction of a 2nd club will attract new fans to both clubs, particularly after a few years when the rivalry starts to build.
If the Swans had any brains they'd privately back the new team but publicly slag the hell out of them.
Yes just look at the West Coast/Fremantle and Adelaide/Port Adelaide rivalries.
SweetLeftFoot
24 Jan 2008, 03:10
Nah, it would target a different group of people. There may be the occasional deserter but the bulk of Swans fans aren't going to be ditching their memberships. IMO they'll gain members - the introduction of a 2nd club will attract new fans to both clubs, particularly after a few years when the rivalry starts to build.
If the Swans had any brains they'd privately back the new team but publicly slag the hell out of them.
I admire your optimism in the face of the evidence that setting up new teams in rugby states is a long, hard, expensive slog that requires draft tampering.
SweetLeftFoot
24 Jan 2008, 03:11
Yes just look at the West Coast/Fremantle and Adelaide/Port Adelaide rivalries.
The difference being these played on existing rivalries and grudges in existing football markets.
Not the same in Sydney.
greenhat
24 Jan 2008, 04:50
You completely missed my point Subprime.
The point is: no-one except hardcore fans gives a rats arse about the vagaries of history - who invented what or formed what league and where they were born.
To normal people these are nothing more than interesting pieces of trivia.
No-ones going to give up their sport, their passion and their culture just because another sport was invented closer by. Think honestly, would you give up aussie rules for Ultime Frisbee if someone told you it had been invented in Darwin?
LOL like the Bulldogs or Roos will be around for much longer anyway:rolleyes:LOL you would have died 10 years ago if the AFL wasn't up your bottom:rolleyes:
Not sure I understand either. What does NSW need, the code to be invented in their street before they embrace it?Well they embrace rugby, but that's just because it's something Melbourne can't claim.
"Let's play this pommy sport to be more Australian than them Melbourne bastards!"
Subprime
24 Jan 2008, 08:27
You completely missed my point Subprime.
The point is: no-one except hardcore fans gives a rats arse about the vagaries of history - who invented what or formed what league and where they were born.
To normal people these are nothing more than interesting pieces of trivia.
No-ones going to give up their sport, their passion and their culture just because another sport was invented closer by. Think honestly, would you give up aussie rules for Ultime Frisbee if someone told you it had been invented in Darwin?
And I think you're missing my point greenhat. We all live in Australia, not some street in western Sydney or Darwin. We normally identify ourselves as Australians not western Sydneyites or Darwinites.
So Australian Rules has the capacity to appeal on a patriotic level to Australians. Obviously the English codes have the green and gold jumper to use to pull on the nationalistic heartstrings. Those codes wrap themselves in the flag or the green and gold colours for marketing purposes. They must do that for some reason. Why shouldn't Aussie Rules make use of its unique Australian heritage?
No one has to give up RL or RU to attend an AFL game. The AFL just wants a go in the schools to develop juniors and to make available to the public its matches on a weekly basis. If a little bit of patriotic fervour helps smooth the way for the indiginous code then what's wrong with that.
I doubt the AFL in its wildest dreams is expecting all of western Sydney to experience an epiphany and convert overnight. They'll be happy with steady progress.
As for me and Ultimate Frisbee, well if there was an Australian version of this (invented in Blacktown let's say) I'd be giving it a go even though I may have been brought up on the Huddersfield or Rugby rules of Frisbee.
No doubt the Australian rules would be better.:)
I admire your optimism in the face of the evidence that setting up new teams in rugby states is a long, hard, expensive slog that requires draft tampering.
Different environments to today, and done very poorly. Brisbane being based 80km from Brisbane for instance, and Sydney's private ownership debacle. As well as the lack of a draft when Sydney were in their early days, and the lack of a credible draft when Brisbane came in - it was basically pot luck, and they probably didn't have the recruiting network (like every other club at the time).
In saying that, I do think it would take about 10 years for the club to be viable on it's own. But that's going to be the case no matter when you set the club up. Waiting until 2020 to start won't change that, it'd still take 10 years. The investment would be worth it.
Mickdog
24 Jan 2008, 15:49
The market could quite possibly be split. Mickdog for example is now a Swans fan but says openly he'd switch to a western Sydney team.
Not a chance in that. If they market this right they could have the working class (West Sydney) vs the white collar (Nth Shore, Eastern Suburbs, typical Swans fans).
I think they would get a lot jumping on the West team just out of spite for the Swans. Would be fantastic.
Weather you think it is a good idea and could work or not is irrelevent though and in all seriousness there is more chance a West Sydney team will be around in 10/20 years time then a North Melbourne team:p
Not a chance in that. If they market this right they could have the working class (West Sydney) vs the white collar (Nth Shore, Eastern Suburbs, typical Swans fans).
I think they would get a lot jumping on the West team just out of spite for the Swans. Would be fantastic.
I consider myself working class but i am and always will be a Swans fan.
Mickdog
24 Jan 2008, 16:02
I consider myself working class but i am and always will be a Swans fan.
Nothing wrong with that. In the end its all just a marketing ploy like Western Suburbs used against Manly to gain support. (Rugby League clubs).
Where do you live if you don't mind me asking
Nothing wrong with that. In the end its all just a marketing ploy like Western Suburbs used against Manly to gain support. (Rugby League clubs).
Where do you live if you don't mind me asking
About 10 minutes away from Windsor and Richmond.
Azzballz Deluxe
24 Jan 2008, 16:06
About 10 minutes away from Windsor and Richmond.
Oooo-oOoO....he's a workin' class mayn!
Mickdog
24 Jan 2008, 16:14
About 10 minutes away from Windsor and Richmond.
Good old Windsor. I have been to the caravan park on the river there. Good fun.
I guess it shows that there are AFL supporters all over Sydney. Nth West for anyone who doesn't know
Subprime
25 Jan 2008, 07:58
So nearly half the population that doesn't live in VIC,TAS,WA,or SA are UNPATRIOTIC?
:rolleyes: How about you read the whole paragraph
SweetLeftFoot
25 Jan 2008, 21:07
So nearly half the population that doesn't live in VIC,TAS,WA,or SA are UNPATRIOTIC?
Nah, just thick.
Mickdog
26 Jan 2008, 10:27
Nah, just thick.
LOL! And you wonder why nobody cares about your little useless club. :rolleyes:
Actually the true 'opposite' colour of red is green. It's made up of the other 2 primary colours and the clash is pretty painful to look at.
Other true opposites are Orange and Blue, as well as the old purple and yellow.
(New York Knicks and LA Lakers?)
WHile all those colours do clash, they aren't polar opposites (i.e, 'true opposites')
The polar opposite of Green is Magenta
The polar opposite of Red is Cyan
The two primary colour systems are Cyan, Magenta and Yellow, and Red Blue and Green. Red, Blue and Yellow is not a primary colour system and one of the more commpn fallacies taught in our educational institutions.
If you don't believe me, buy some inks. Equal ammounts of Cyan and Magenta will make blue, and magenta and yellow will make red. Green is made by mixing cyan and magenta, not blue and yellow.
Or more practically, have a look at the three colors in your colour printer. Blue and Red will not feature.
Not really importaint, but I live to share, and the two polar opposites I mention are REALLY painful to look at. Imagine a stadium full of people decked out in those colours. You would never get over the migrane.
SweetLeftFoot
28 Jan 2008, 21:09
LOL! And you wonder why nobody cares about your little useless club. :rolleyes:
You seem to care about it. Can't shut up about it.
walhawk
29 Jan 2008, 13:55
No one will ever take up an interest in AFL for patriotic reasons.
You might however, take up and interest in Soccer, Union or even League for patriotic reasons, as they actually have a team that represents Australia.
jackmac7
13 Feb 2008, 19:02
sky blue, white
jimmy_clement#8
16 Feb 2008, 13:33
Blue and black in combination, ala old Universtiy footy club style, would look great. Maybe a third colour chucked in for good measure? Blue with a black sash perhaps?
KingsCrow
16 Feb 2008, 13:57
West Sydney Wallabies
Light Blue and Dark Blue, The Double Blues. Like Sturt over here.
Mr Eagle
16 Feb 2008, 14:02
Red, black and gold.
FootyJunkie
16 Feb 2008, 16:22
West Sydney Bloods (Blood-stained Angels)
Could this legally happen or could the Swans rightfully veto this? If it happened, would be a nice twist to the new local rivalry.
FootyJunkie
16 Feb 2008, 16:24
Red, black and gold.
Reserve that for a NT team.
The new Sydney team's major colour should be Green as only 1 other team in the competition even has Green on their guernsey at the moment. Colours to avoid should be Red, Black and Dark Blue.
wikipediaAFLproject
16 Feb 2008, 17:33
For this team at least they need to ask the Western Sydney public what THEY want. Much like the Titans in the NRL did when they chose the names and colours.
We need to make sure that it is a Western Sydney team , NOT a team for holidaying West Australians or South Australians to watch when they are in Sydney.
I would even go as far to say they should have a jumper that resembles all the fancy designed NRL jumpers. They have all different shades and lines all over and change it every now and then.
It would also have to be marketed as the new god on the block. NRL supporters love the blockbusters, and it is same with the ads. They love names which make the teams seem mythical. This clashes with AFL tradition but i think there could be a safe compromise.
It will also have to be referred to without the use of "football club". Yes the official name can be the Western Sydney Football Club, but should be called the West Dingoes etc.
As for names how about looking at the NFL and NHL ones for ideas.
littleduck
16 Feb 2008, 19:48
For this team at least they need to ask the Western Sydney public what THEY want. Much like the Titans in the NRL did when they chose the names and colours. Yeah, but the Titans were a grassroots driven phenomena, whereas AFL in Western Sydney is a top-down necessity and required to build support from literally scratch.
We need to make sure that it is a Western Sydney team , NOT a team for holidaying West Australians or South Australians to watch when they are in Sydney. Yeah!
I would even go as far to say they should have a jumper that resembles all the fancy designed NRL jumpers. They have all different shades and lines all over and change it every now and then. Not necessarily, I think the marketing wizards will orgasm about having a clean slate and able to put up anything they like for approval by the new club owners.
It would also have to be marketed as the new god on the block. yeah
NRL supporters love the blockbusters, and it is same with the ads. YES, EXCELLENT POINT. BLOCKBUSTER MARKETING WORKS IN SYDNEY.
sorry about caps but i wanted to highlight this good idea.
They love names which make the teams seem mythical. This clashes with AFL tradition but i think there could be a safe compromise.
It will also have to be referred to without the use of "football club". Yes the official name can be the Western Sydney Football Club, but should be called the West Dingoes etc. True.
As for names how about looking at the NFL and NHL ones for ideas.RL heartland is not Americanised to any greater extent than Mexico (I mean Victoria..) you know...
wikipediaAFLproject
16 Feb 2008, 20:37
RL heartland is not Americanised to any greater extent than Mexico (I mean Victoria..) you know...
I just feel that Rugby League is very commericialised and those American style names seem to appeal to Sydney siders.
Some NHL/NFL ones for consideration include:
Predators
Rangers
Lightning
Patriots
Ravens
Redskins
littleduck
16 Feb 2008, 21:40
I just feel that Rugby League is very commericialised and those American style names seem to appeal to Sydney siders.
Some NHL/NFL ones for consideration include:
Predators
Rangers
Lightning
Patriots
Ravens
RedskinsAre you suggesting AFL teams are not Americanised names????
Bombers?
Dockers?
etc.
wikipediaAFLproject
16 Feb 2008, 22:12
Are you suggesting AFL teams are not Americanised names????
Bombers?
Dockers?
etc.
Dockers is american and i can safely say that the majority of football supporters dont like it.
Power is American, and that is all. The rest are pretty much Australian. Compare that to league where you have
Titans
Storm
Broncos
Cowboys
Panthers
FootyJunkie
16 Feb 2008, 22:44
Dockers is american and i can safely say that the majority of football supporters dont like it.
Power is American, and that is all. The rest are pretty much Australian.
Name an American Sports club with the name "Power" or "Dockers".
HitEmHardFreo
16 Feb 2008, 22:51
Dockers is american and i can safely say that the majority of football supporters dont like it.
I love the term, but being a supporter, of course I would.
If you're going to be an informed whatever it is on Wikipedia, please get your facts right.
Dockers: Men who load and unload ships are usually called dockers (ie: working on the docks, in a port, which the City of Fremantle has). Origins: UK.
Bombers: "During the war years of the early 1940s, that they became known as "The Bombers" -- due to Windy Hill’s proximity to the Essendon Aerodrome." Source: Wikipedia (I doubt you wrote this)
Power is American, and that is all. The rest are pretty much Australian. Compare that to league where you have
Lions: Not native to Australia
Tigers: As above
Cats: Imported domestic pet
(Western) Bulldogs: Imported domestic pet
Eagles: Thousands of them in north-west WA skies
Hawks: As above
Kangaroos: Aussie as you can get
Swans: Local bird
Magpies: Local bird
Crows: Local bird
Demons: Universal trait to us all
Saints: Universal trait to us all
Blues: A colour thing for the club
Power: Generic, universal
Titans: Extremely wankey
Storm: Generic
Broncos: Not local to Australia, American term for certain cattle
Cowboys: Arguable, borrowed term for horseback riders
Panthers: Not local to Australia, North/South American animal
Not a chance in that. If they market this right they could have the working class (West Sydney) vs the white collar (Nth Shore, Eastern Suburbs, typical Swans fans).
I think they would get a lot jumping on the West team just out of spite for the Swans. Would be fantastic.
Weather you think it is a good idea and could work or not is irrelevent though and in all seriousness there is more chance a West Sydney team will be around in 10/20 years time then a North Melbourne team:p
FFS mickdog, you've got your West Sydney team now so give up on the Roos and the Dogs.
If you hadn't noticed, the AFL has attempted to move / merge both those teams and failed dismally.
Kind of admitting defeat now by deciding to introduce 2 new licences.
So good luck with the new team - you'll be right, the AFL will prop it up with MANY millions more that it ever gave any Melbourne teams.
I remember reading that the Oakland Raiders in the NFL sold more merchandise than any other team, despite NOT being the most popular. The reason was their colour combination of black and silver, which was fashionably popular. Silver is a pretty cool, modern sort of colour.
I'd suggest a West Sydeny team have three colours. Black, silver and a third colour that is not used in the AFL - orange.
Maybe black sliver and light (sky) blue, for the whole "NSW" thing, but something about orange appelas to me. It stands out.
Black, silver and orange. Unique, marketable, snazzy. Maybe some photoshop experts could try a few designs.
As for nicknames, something unique and marketable is important.
The trend, worldwide, over the last decade is for "non-physical" nouns to be the nickname. Storm, Heat, Force, Power, Blaze etc.
So, I think a name in that vein would be the way to go. If not, I like the name "Predators" for some reason.
But if you go the non-physial noun, a good way of coming up with a name is to go to http://www.thesaurus.com and type in a non-physical noun such as "toughness" and see what synonyms come up.
The synonyms that came up were: courage, determination, firmness, fortitude, grit, guts, hardihood, heart, intestinal fortitude*, mettle, moral fiber, nerve, pluck, resolution, resolve, spunk, stamina, steadfastness, tenacity, toughness, will, willpower
Now I'm not saying any of hose names are good. But try a few different non-physical nouns, and see what other synonms come up and I think we can find a good "modern" name.
The West Sydney Steadfastness is NOT the way to go people. ;)
Mr Eagle
17 Feb 2008, 20:28
As for nicknames, something unique and marketable is important.
The trend, worldwide, over the last decade is for "non-physical" nouns to be the nickname. Storm, Heat, Force, Power, Blaze etc.
So, I think a name in that vein would be the way to go.
I would have thought that the best argument for going with a more traditional nickname.
I would have thought that the best argument for going with a more traditional nickname.
Why? It's a brand new team, trying to appeal to a non-traditional market. If anything, that is more cause to NOT use a traditional style nickname. Something "modern day" would be the way to go, I reckon. You gotta think of something that would appeal to a 10-12 year old.
These non-physical nouns seem to be "in" thing.
Mr Realistic
17 Feb 2008, 21:52
Logo:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/64/200px-2006_AFL_Western_Bulldogs.jpg
Theme song, colours you know the rest
Mr Realistic
17 Feb 2008, 22:31
Seriously though having lived there for 2 years i can narrow it to 3 possibilities
The Ferals
http://www.abccontentsales.com.au/image/the_ferals.jpg
The Bogans
http://usversusthem.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/redneck.jpg
The Bushpigs (which i think is their basketball teams name LOL)
http://www.uglypeople.com/uploaded/5302/ugly-ass.jpg
With the new recruit Cameron Ling!!
Palmer Stoat
18 Feb 2008, 09:48
I remember reading that the Oakland Raiders in the NFL sold more merchandise than any other team, despite NOT being the most popular. The reason was their colour combination of black and silver, which was fashionably popular. Silver is a pretty cool, modern sort of colour.
I'd suggest a West Sydeny team have three colours. Black, silver and a third colour that is not used in the AFL - orange.
Maybe black sliver and light (sky) blue, for the whole "NSW" thing, but something about orange appelas to me. It stands out.
Black, silver and orange. Unique, marketable, snazzy. Maybe some photoshop experts could try a few designs.
Yeah, call them the West Sydney Wolves (even the abbreviation is cool: WSW), then give them a silver/grey and black strip. Maybe throw in some white trim. Gray isn't in use in any of the current strips, so it'd give them a new look that won't, provided they make gray the predominant colour, cause any clashes. Plus, like you point out, gray/silver should be an easy sell when it comes to merchandising -- unlike the merchandise of the some of the existing teams.
Refried Noodle
18 Feb 2008, 17:56
For any additional New South Wales team, they NEED to be light blue like the State of Origin Blues, Domestic One Day Blues, Sydney FC and NSW Waratahs.
It's heritage, it's identity if it's anything but light blue the 'new' fans won't relate to it. The team need to be quintessentially NSW and the image of the team is the thing that most people will see and relate/not relate to. Stuff up here and you're reducing your chances of success greatly.
And the same goes for a moniker too - something like the Sydney Funnelweb Spider. Or the Kookaburra as it's one of the faunal emblems of NSW. Although I can see many a "laughing stock" headline for the first 10 years of any Western Sydney team's existence. Maybe 'Blue-tongues', 'Dingos' etc.
flackjack
18 Feb 2008, 18:36
The new Sydney team's major colour should be Green as only 1 other team in the competition even has Green on their guernsey at the moment. Colours to avoid should be Red, Black and Dark Blue.
Clash with the grass colour...
Azzballz Deluxe
18 Feb 2008, 20:42
For any additional New South Wales team, they NEED to be light blue like the State of Origin Blues, Domestic One Day Blues, Sydney FC and NSW Waratahs.
It's heritage, it's identity if it's anything but light blue the 'new' fans won't relate to it. The team need to be quintessentially NSW and the image of the team is the thing that most people will see and relate/not relate to. Stuff up here and you're reducing your chances of success greatly.
And the same goes for a moniker too - something like the Sydney Funnelweb Spider. Or the Kookaburra as it's one of the faunal emblems of NSW. Although I can see many a "laughing stock" headline for the first 10 years of any Western Sydney team's existence. Maybe 'Blue-tongues', 'Dingos' etc.
Nah, we dont need two extremely gay looking teams from sydney :o
Would you settle for a smokey greyish-blue (kinda like the colour of the blue-mountains), and maybe a more rustic green (as opposed to that putrid fluro-green colour).
And i also agree with a few other posters that it should be called the wolves, but have the actual logo as looking more like a dingo (similar to the way the bears had a koala on thier emblem.
Mero???
jimmy_clement#8
19 Feb 2008, 14:45
Is it just me or does the idea of "Western Sydney/West Sydney Football Club" not make sense given we already have the Western Bulldogs and the West Coast Eagles. Surely the AFL would like to avoid three very similar names. That said, how do you go about a name that doesn't start with West or Western? You can't isolate a suburb, ie Blacktown, but you need to include the area mentioned, ie Western Sydney. Tricky.