Captain & Leadership Group [Archive]

bubblegoose

12 Dec 2007, 15:22

Any mail or even speculation on who'll be in the leadership group in 2008 & will we retain the 3 captains or maybe even make a move to just have the one?

goodie23

12 Dec 2007, 15:27

Current rumour doing the rounds is one captain, and it's between Lenny and Roo.

Leadership group, we might do a Carlton and chuck a draftee in there.

Gilbo19

12 Dec 2007, 15:31

Goose and S.Fisher have been added I believe...

I think it will be:
Roo, Ball, Hayes, Harvey, Dal, Kosi, S.Fisher, Maguire...

It was discussed on SS a while ago, I think that is right...

bubblegoose

13 Dec 2007, 09:56

Goose and S.Fisher have been added I believe...

I think it will be:
Roo, Ball, Hayes, Harvey, Dal, Kosi, S.Fisher, Maguire...

It was discussed on SS a while ago, I think that is right...

Gday Gilbo, do you think Harves would want the role in his final(?) year? How are Dal & Fish's actual leadership skills, anyone know?

Persevering Saint

13 Dec 2007, 13:16

I really think the best person to be the captaint is Bally (brilliant mind...), but of course, that's dependent upon his fitness. We do NOT want a captain who's in and out all year.

Gilbo19

13 Dec 2007, 14:00

Gday Gilbo, do you think Harves would want the role in his final(?) year? How are Dal & Fish's actual leadership skills, anyone know?
I don't think he would jump at the oppurtunity but I think that Lyon and maybe Roo would have a chat with him and let him know it is for the good of the team and he would do it in a second...

As for Dal and Sam Fisher from what I have seen they are excellent...
There were a few games I saw during the year when he would really take control in Lenny and Ball's absence.... Sam Fisher has really stood up and was somewhat of a general down back this year, personally I think that Goddard would be a better option however I think they went with Fisher to reward him for a brilliant season and to take some pressure off of Goddard.

Just a reminder though I got this off Saintsational like a month ago, I believe it was right because it came from a reliable source however I may have forgotten a player or put a player in or something like that...

I'm also quite confident that we will stick with the 3 captains, unless Ball wants a break... if that were to occur I don't know whether we would stay with 3 captains for just keep the same 2...

Vaul Darkhour

14 Dec 2007, 09:45

Either keep it as it is or make Lenny captain.. end of story.

35Harvs

14 Dec 2007, 10:07

:thumbsu: i agree

FredNurks

14 Dec 2007, 11:58

Gday Gilbo, do you think Harves would want the role in his final(?) year? How are Dal & Fish's actual leadership skills, anyone know?

who says it will be Harvey's last year, surely he can play on until he's 50:D

Gilbo19

14 Dec 2007, 12:22

According to a training report on Saintsational, Sam Fisher was very vocal during training and showed real leadership, I would assume he's in then....

Bourky23

14 Dec 2007, 13:43

Lenny & Roo... i'm happy with that.. give bally a break and a chance to get his game and body right and just take a little bit of pressure off him

Ice-Wolf

14 Dec 2007, 20:24

Lenny & Roo... i'm happy with that.. give bally a break and a chance to get his game and body right and just take a little bit of pressure off him

I'd prefer just Lenny, Roo needs to focus on his kicking.

Gilbo19

14 Dec 2007, 21:00

I'd prefer just Lenny, Roo needs to focus on his kicking.

42 goals 25 isn't too bad (07)
60 goals 35 isn't bad either (06)
33 goals 36 is pretty bad (05)
67 goals 32 is pretty good IMO (04)

I reckon he has only really had one bad year goal kickingwise, St.Kilda are in a difficult position but it is the sort of position you love to be in, we have a whole heap of player who could be captains....

Ice-Wolf

14 Dec 2007, 23:21

42 goals 25 isn't too bad (07)
60 goals 35 isn't bad either (06)
33 goals 36 is pretty bad (05)
67 goals 32 is pretty good IMO (04)

I reckon he has only really had one bad year goal kickingwise, St.Kilda are in a difficult position but it is the sort of position you love to be in, we have a whole heap of player who could be captains....

Those dont take into account when hes not made the distance or shanked it out of the full. Hes only a good kick when hes dead on with no pressure (i.e. when we dont need the goal to win the game), put even a slight angle on it or have the score line close and his kicking is woeful. The rest of his game is above average or great but his goal kicking is pretty poor. If the game rested on the kick id much rather the ball be in Gehrig or Kosi's hands.

Persevering Saint

15 Dec 2007, 10:44

One example suffices: the Doggies game late last season. Gram kicks a torp to him, he takes a brilliant mark about forty out on a very slight right-angle. We need this goal. He shanks it, pulls his hair out in anguish, we draw the game we should've won, we miss out on two essential points, two points that may well have had us playing finals last year.

Roo is a brilliant footballer, but he's also mortal. Let him work on his game, and give it to a natural and experienced leader in Lenny Hayes. I see very little gain from having Roo sharing the captaincy with Lenny. I'd love a FIT Bally to be the captain, but that's not going to happen until at least 2009, maybe later.

Gilbo19

15 Dec 2007, 11:59

One example suffices: the Doggies game late last season. Gram kicks a torp to him, he takes a brilliant mark about forty out on a very slight right-angle. We need this goal. He shanks it, pulls his hair out in anguish, we draw the game we should've won, we miss out on two essential points, two points that may well have had us playing finals last year.

Roo is a brilliant footballer, but he's also mortal. Let him work on his game, and give it to a natural and experienced leader in Lenny Hayes. I see very little gain from having Roo sharing the captaincy with Lenny. I'd love a FIT Bally to be the captain, but that's not going to happen until at least 2009, maybe later.

Did you watch the rest of the game?
He had been running hard the whole match, he would have been nearly dead by that point... He single handedly kept us in that game, as for shanking the kick, getting touched on the line is not a shank and it was about 50 out on more then just a slight angle....

Fehring

15 Dec 2007, 16:32

One example suffices: the Doggies game late last season. Gram kicks a torp to him, he takes a brilliant mark about forty out on a very slight right-angle. We need this goal. He shanks it, pulls his hair out in anguish, we draw the game we should've won, we miss out on two essential points, two points that may well have had us playing finals last year.

Roo is a brilliant footballer, but he's also mortal. Let him work on his game, and give it to a natural and experienced leader in Lenny Hayes. I see very little gain from having Roo sharing the captaincy with Lenny. I'd love a FIT Bally to be the captain, but that's not going to happen until at least 2009, maybe later.

Did you watch the rest of the game?
He had been running hard the whole match, he would have been nearly dead by that point... He single handedly kept us in that game, as for shanking the kick, getting touched on the line is not a shank and it was about 50 out on more then just a slight angle....

2006 v Essendon. Roo kicked the goal that put us in front from 50 in VERY greasy conditions. I think he kicked the goal before that as well from a similar position. Absolutely unbelievable effort.

Gilbo19

16 Dec 2007, 12:01

2006 v Essendon. Roo kicked the goal that put us in front from 50 in VERY greasy conditions. I think he kicked the goal before that as well from a similar position. Absolutely unbelievable effort.

On the money, I remember that game, there was just a feeling in the air that Roo was going to do something special that day, in my mind that was when he truly developed as a leader...

Persevering Saint

16 Dec 2007, 17:25

Alright, I stand corrected - I guess I got carried away by remembering the emotions when he didn't get that goal. I was in a hotel in Calgary, watching it with stop-and-starts on Telscum's "streaming". I was screaming at my laptop at 1am (the hotel was pretty much empty, thank goodness) when the blasted thing had to buffer halfway through the darn kick. AARGGHH!