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i bet ppl are going to say its to early blah blah
but im just wondering which players will have their last year in 2008?
i reackon mckinley will go home to vic (unless he is still contracted
a big surprise and wirra retires because of injuries body struggles:confused: (i hope not)
one my fav players but armstrong mite go (unless contracted)
thomson be deslisted and picked as a rookie
cones will be gone for sure, with the young talls comin through
dont be surprised if staker is used as trade bait
Lynch takes a mark
12 Dec 2007, 22:00
Staker will be retained without doubt, can play anwhere on the ground and is totally important for depth
agree with the others
Isandula
12 Dec 2007, 22:12
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dont be surprised if staker is used as trade bait
So wrong, will never happen! :eek:
huggy_b
12 Dec 2007, 22:31
If Staker as a 100+ game player doesn't show something this year, I think you may find he is shopped around before his trade value declines. He may have all the potential in the world, but he doesn't show it often enough IMO.
greennick
12 Dec 2007, 22:34
McKinley is apparently now contracted for 2 more years.
juddy_Like
12 Dec 2007, 22:51
Don't know about the others as anything can happen but this one is gareenteed...
Thomson is shit.
Don't know about the others as anything can happen but this one is gareenteed...
Thomson is shit.
i neva thought much of him
playin only ressys
TheBigUnit
12 Dec 2007, 23:28
I reckon McKinley will get much more of an opportunity next year and should play the small forward role, as LeCras will probably spend more time in the middle.
C.Jones has a lot of competition but he's put the runs on the board in the WAFL and had a decent debut for WC
Armstrong probably will go, unfortunately, as we've really stocked up on midfield depth this year and he really seems to have fallen in the pecking order.
Thomson was always better suited to a rookie spot.
Only retirees I can forsee in the near future are Wirra and Braun.
Lynch takes a mark
12 Dec 2007, 23:41
Problem with Thomson was that we was drafted bottom aged so he wouldn't have been available for a rookie list spot until this years rookie draft and you risk not getting him.
I guess the recruiters took the punt on him developing more than he probably did, he was drafted too young but for a pick 80 he is still going to be a good long term project player that probably wouldn't have been available at such a late pick this year (given the lack of talls in this years draft compared to last year) and would probably have been one of the first players rookie listed if not picked up in the draft.
He is 6'4, Athletic, has seriously awesome endurance and has good attack on the ball - he will be given 4 years minimum on the senior list to show if he has what it takes. If he is still a dud at 21 then cut him and maybe throw him on the rookie list for another 2 years, if he's 21 and up to 95kg's and showing good signs as a defender then pick 80 was justified.
Whoever's got Thomson as their sponsored player has their work cut out, by the looks!
As LTAM said, give him a bit more time. I saw his last couple of games, because he was playing after Swans colts, and he looked to have improved a great deal. His attack on the ball was great, endurance is very good. Just be patient for another couple of years to see where he is at.
Keyser Soze
13 Dec 2007, 00:32
The reality is that at least three players will have to be taken off our list at the end of 2008.
Other than possibly Wirra it is unlikely that anyone will retire.
A player or players may ask to be traded.
Unless either of the two above happen 3 players coming out of contract will be cut or offered as trade bait.
Armstrong will need to have a much greater impact than he did in 2007 to keep his spot.
Chad Jones will be hard pressed to keep a spot particularly if Kennedy and Brown hit their straps.
Staker may find himself as trade bait if he can't perform to his undoubted potential consistently and our younger KPP's move past him in the pecking order.
Fletcher doesn't come out of contract until 2009 but if his form continues to taper downwards someone may have a quiet word in his ear.
Thomson would have to show some signs that he is improving for the club to keep developing him.
McKinley is only on a one year deal I think so if opportunities don't come or he doesn't take them when they do, then he might be on his way.
Bear in mind also that if any of our 6 rookies show enough to be considered for promotion someone else will have to go to make room on the list.
At least 3 players won't be on our list this time next year.
FiveStrings
13 Dec 2007, 00:37
Just as long as our captain doesn't ask for a trade to Carlton next year...
Apart from Armstrong, McKinley, Thompson etc, one guy who might get squeezed out is Jaymie Graham, if he has a similar season to 2007.
kane249
13 Dec 2007, 08:36
I think Matt Spangher might have a hard time keeping his spot as well
Keyser Soze
13 Dec 2007, 09:06
IIRC, Spangher and Graham both signed 2 year contracts late last year so I'd imagine the club is happy enough with their development so far.
Isandula
13 Dec 2007, 09:47
Just as long as our captain doesn't ask for a trade to Carlton next year...
Apart from Armstrong, McKinley, Thompson etc, one guy who might get squeezed out is Jaymie Graham, if he has a similar season to 2007.
Very much doubt Glass would want to go to Carlton. That would be worse than Judd leaving and Cousins gone, I'm not joking either cause we'll be up shit creek :eek:
If Staker as a 100+ game player doesn't show something this year, I think you may find he is shopped around before his trade value declines. He may have all the potential in the world, but he doesn't show it often enough IMO.
I dont think he has much trade value at the moment for it to decline any more.
It is about time Staker has a big year. He seems like the type of player who can turn games off his own boot to look at. Tall, fast, good kick, good mark. Just decision making is poor.
Go Stakes!! :thumbsu:
Jimmy_the_Gent
13 Dec 2007, 09:56
At this stage I think the most likely thing to happen is this:
Delist: Thomson & Armstrong
Retire: Wirrapanda
If we have to promote a rookie -which I don't think will be required because we can keep rookies for 2 years without them entering a draft, and they're all in their first year now - we'll have to swing a trade.
I think the leading candidates for a trade would be McKinley and LeCras.
Isandula
13 Dec 2007, 09:57
I dont think he has much trade value at the moment for it to decline any more.
It is about time Staker has a big year. He seems like the type of player who can turn games off his own boot to look at. Tall, fast, good kick, good mark. Just decision making is poor.
Go Stakes!! :thumbsu:
Annoying little injuries that last 2 years haven't helped. Has looked like hes going to have a big year only to be struck down and therefore limiting his output. If in 2008 he doesn't get an injuries we just might see the best of Staker :thumbsu:
SS_Fury
13 Dec 2007, 10:17
At this stage I think the most likely thing to happen is this:
Delist: Thomson & Armstrong
Retire: Wirrapanda
If we have to promote a rookie -which I don't think will be required because we can keep rookies for 2 years without them entering a draft, and they're all in their first year now - we'll have to swing a trade.
I think the leading candidates for a trade would be McKinley and LeCras.
are you high!!! :eek::eek::eek:
LeCras must stay!! :eek::mad::mad:
Jimmy_the_Gent
13 Dec 2007, 10:42
are you high!!! :eek::eek::eek:
LeCras must stay!! :eek::mad::mad:
Don't get me wrong, I don't want any player traded from our current list but LeCras might want a little more opportunity if he doesn't get a good go in 2008.
He would have a 25-30 game career now if he'd been drafted by most other teams.
tonywce23
13 Dec 2007, 10:47
Don't get me wrong, I don't want any player traded from our current list but LeCras might want a little more opportunity if he doesn't get a good go in 2008.
He would have a 25-30 game career now if he'd been drafted by most other teams.
He's played 25 games, so not sure why you said that - 19 of which came this year, so its not like he has been starved of opportunities
daddy_4_eyes
13 Dec 2007, 10:51
Staker has all the talent in the world, but decision making is woeful. He arguably cost us the 2005 flag with his brain explosion on the forward 50m line when he played on :o
IMO skills can be worked on, football nous can't. He'll never be a smart footballer, and we either move him on or accept that he'll be an inconsistent performer. Personally I can see him being traded in the near future, as much as I like him. With so many talls pushing for a spot, if Woosha looses patience and drops him he may never get back into the side.
Obeanie1
13 Dec 2007, 10:53
Surprised no one mentioned Chad Fletcher.
Wirra, Braun and Fletcher are our three oldest players:cool:
You'd imagine one at least will be retiring, then two underperforming youngsters.
Then a player might want a trade.
Not hard turning over three players a year really.
Isandula
13 Dec 2007, 10:56
Staker has all the talent in the world, but decision making is woeful. He arguably cost us the 2005 flag with his brain explosion on the forward 50m line when he played on :o
IMO skills can be worked on, football nous can't. He'll never be a smart footballer, and we either move him on or accept that he'll be an inconsistent performer. Personally I can see him being traded in the near future, as much as I like him. With so many talls pushing for a spot, if Woosha looses patience and drops him he may never get back into the side.
Whoa way too harsh! He made one mistake in the 2005 GF but it was a combination of mistakes around that cost us not just one. Anyhow we won it 2006.
Problem with Thomson was that we was drafted bottom aged so he wouldn't have been available for a rookie list spot until this years rookie draft and you risk not getting him.
wasnt he born in 1988:confused:
so that make him the right age for the rookie spot last year
cos it is 1989 this year
Lynch takes a mark
13 Dec 2007, 11:33
wasnt he born in 1988:confused:
so that make him the right age for the rookie spot last year
cos it is 1989 this year
thought it was 89 so disregard my entire post :cool:
not only that but it was feb 88 so he was available in the 05 draft yet he is still not even in the Claremont seniors side as a 19 year old with a full AFL pre season behind him
has to be a favour to Thommo (maybe blackmail given his media profile) because he seriously hasn't shown enough to be AFL quality up to this point given his age.
Jimmy_the_Gent
13 Dec 2007, 11:34
He's played 25 games, so not sure why you said that - 19 of which came this year, so its not like he has been starved of opportunities
I must be going crazy.
What I meant was that he would've played far more games than he has. In 2006 and even 2005 he shouldn't have spent so much time in the WAFL and he wouldn't have if he was playing for another team.
In all honesty though, if he gets another 19 games next year he shouldn't want to leave. I didn't realise he got so many games this year.
tonywce23
13 Dec 2007, 11:40
I must be going crazy.
What I meant was that he would've played far more games than he has. In 2006 and even 2005 he shouldn't have spent so much time in the WAFL and he wouldn't have if he was playing for another team.
In all honesty though, if he gets another 19 games next year he shouldn't want to leave. I didn't realise he got so many games this year.
He didn't deserve game time in 2005 and 2006 because he showed nothing at AFL level during that period, apart from his debut game against Richmond
larrikin
13 Dec 2007, 12:18
I think Matt Spangher might have a hard time keeping his spot as well
You're kidding?
This guy will be a gun
sydney eagle
13 Dec 2007, 12:54
"Luxembourg is next to go, and who knows, maybe Momaco !" (Tom Lehrer "Who's Next"):)
dobbo_18
13 Dec 2007, 13:18
Originally Posted by Cuzz09
It is about time Staker has a big year. He seems like the type of player who can turn games off his own boot to look at.
He needs to start producing games such as the one he played when Cuzzy returned against the Swans far more often. I'll be expecting a performance like that at least once every 3 weeks in 2008 from Staker.
Jimmy_the_Gent
13 Dec 2007, 13:20
He didn't deserve game time in 2005 and 2006 because he showed nothing at AFL level during that period, apart from his debut game against Richmond
First of all his debut was against Port. His 5 goal game against the Tigers was his 5th game.
As for doing nothing in 2005 and 2006, he played well enough in the WAFL and was too good to develop there. He should've been given an extended run in the AFL to improve but it was hard for us to do that at the time, being a premiership contender.
What we did do was give him 2 odd games in a row and when he didn't perform as a 19 and 20 year old we dropped him again. That was all we could do but it wasn't the best thing for LeCras as he was ready for AFL but was being pushed back by the strength of our squad.
tonywce23
13 Dec 2007, 13:23
First of all his debut was against Port. His 5 goal game against the Tigers was his 5th game.
As for doing nothing in 2005 and 2006, he played well enough in the WAFL and was too good to develop there. He should've been given an extended run in the AFL to improve but it was hard for us to do that at the time, being a premiership contender.
What we did do was give him 2 odd games in a row and when he didn't perform as a 19 and 20 year old we dropped him again. That was all we could do but it wasn't the best thing for LeCras as he was ready for AFL but was being pushed back by the strength of our squad.
My mistake re; his first game, but I think we can both agree the kid is going to be a gun, hopefully he can take his game to the next level in 2008
Jimmy_the_Gent
13 Dec 2007, 13:32
My mistake re; his first game, but I think we can both agree the kid is going to be a gun, hopefully he can take his game to the next level in 2008
I'm confident he can find that next level.
Very happy to have him on board.
flyinghi64
13 Dec 2007, 15:25
Nice positive thread this one, who are we culling next year:p
In all seriousness there is no doubt going to be changes and chances are they will be hard to pick.
retirees could be Braun and/or Wirra. They are the only ones you would think through age and cumulative injuries.
dropped/traded could be a few like Armstrong, Staker, Seaby(nothing is set in stone) or someone from the young brigade.
Too hard to tell at this stage but there could be a few surprises depending on the amount of injuries we incurr.
Nice positive thread this one, who are we culling next year:p
In all seriousness there is no doubt going to be changes and chances are they will be hard to pick.
retirees could be Braun and/or Wirra. They are the only ones you would think through age and cumulative injuries.
dropped/traded could be a few like Armstrong, Staker, Seaby(nothing is set in stone) or someone from the young brigade.
Too hard to tell at this stage but there could be a few surprises depending on the amount of injuries we incurr.
I can't see us trading Seaby. We have two specialist rucks capable of AFL, we have a new recruit who would be lucky to play in the NAB cup, let alone AFL this year.
He only just resigned with us, and unless someone like Lade is up for grabs, I can't see us getting rid of Mark Seaby. He's a fantastic supporting act to Cox.
eagles06
13 Dec 2007, 18:49
Well I think it all depends on the year we have.
Grand Final win could see Wirra and Brauny retire which would be a shame but I think they would like to go out on a high. Although Braun's body seems to be holding up really well, unfortunetly can't say the same for Wirra.
I think Wirra will retire in the next 2 years though.
Spangher will STAY
Graham or Staker could be used for trade bait if they have a poor year and a coulpe of others like Brown, Kennedy, Spangher, Schofield or MacKenzie step up. As well as possibly Wilkes.
If McKinely doesn't get a go next year he may be traded.
Armstrong and Cones look to be in some trouble however Cones could be used in the ruck? In case of a few bad injuries.
larrikin
13 Dec 2007, 19:16
The club must see something in Cones - otherwise they would never have promoted him
tonywce23
13 Dec 2007, 20:50
The club must see something in Cones - otherwise they would never have promoted him
They obviously see something I don't, I say he will be de-listed in the next one to two years
Willow_2000
13 Dec 2007, 21:10
They obviously see something I don't, I say he will win a coleman in the next one to two years
Edited for accuracy.
I agree with the above statement lol, the guys a gun and the club knows it. 2008 will be the year that Big Cones steps out of the shadows at subi:thumbsu:
juddy_Like
13 Dec 2007, 22:35
If Wirra was to retire, i think it will be because he wants to do other things in life not injuries. Remember he has been in the system since he was 16 :eek: (Half the people on here havnt even grown balls yet at that stage) and is quite into his Aboriginal work.
Brauny is like one of the fittest at our club (Ask Aka) and will be going around again in 09.
As for the kids.... show something and you'll play (and be retained)
tonywce23
13 Dec 2007, 23:03
Edited for accuracy.
I agree with the above statement lol, the guys a gun and the club knows it. 2008 will be the year that Big Cones steps out of the shadows at subi:thumbsu:
A gun? Based on what, kicked 3 goals in one game and has shown nothing since
Willow_2000
13 Dec 2007, 23:14
A gun? Based on what, kicked 3 goals in one game and has shown nothing since
In his 4 games this season he kicked 3 goals 7 but out of those 7 behinds he hit the post 4-5 times. Trust me this guy can play footy and im not just saying that because im sponsoring him for season 08 lol:D
daddy_4_eyes
14 Dec 2007, 07:37
In his 4 games this season he kicked 3 goals 7 but out of those 7 behinds he hit the post 4-5 times. Trust me this guy can play footy and im not just saying that because im sponsoring him for season 08 lol:D
But is there a place for him in a forward line consisting of Lynch, Hansen, Seaby/Cox and potentially Kennedy and Brown? Will make us a bit top heavy, and IMO Cojo is merely short term insurance for Lynch.
Willow_2000
14 Dec 2007, 10:47
But is there a place for him in a forward line consisting of Lynch, Hansen, Seaby/Cox and potentially Kennedy and Brown? Will make us a bit top heavy, and IMO Cojo is merely short term insurance for Lynch.
Im with you on that 1. Hes basically there just as backup if a key forward goes down but hes a backup we need. Although he wont be first in line anymore if hasen or Lynch go down i still believe it is important we retain him on the list and clearly WC share the same view was they wouldnt of elevated to the senior list this year.
Sumich has made it clear he will leave if a senior position arises, question is which team do we predict will need a new coach?
Richmond?
Western Bulldogs?
Adelaide?