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BrisGirl
1 Jul 2002, 23:03
She's baaaaack........

If there was one politician I couldn't stand, it was her.

When she was the leader of the Democrats, she never hid her true leanings, which were so far to the left, I used to say she should just go to the the Labor Party.

Wasn't surprised when she defected to the Labor Party, but my imagination really ran wild at the the Labor Party offered her to abandon the Democrats.

Then, the bleating really started.

"Labor didn't give me a safe seat' 'wah, wah, wah'

That woman didn't stop complaining and moaned to anyone that would listen on how she was a victim, polictically and by the media.

When she left the public arena, I was soooo happy and now I see her face again and guess what, she is still harping on about how she was hard done by.

Didn't she realise that selling out on your ideals, of which you spent a good part of your political life with the Democrats doing, would bring media attention and public scrutiny upon yourself.

Her endless moaning about how the media wouldn't leave her alone and yet here she is using it to sell her book.

Now, I wait again on the moment she leaves the public eye again.

I can not wait.

Slax
2 Jul 2002, 03:28
She didn't get a safe Labor seat because of the internal politics of the ALP which meaned that it would've been incredibly difficult for her to win preselection in a vote.

But don't worry she'll soon go away after all Hanson did.

red+black
2 Jul 2002, 03:50
Originally posted by Slax
She didn't get a safe Labor seat because of the internal politics of the ALP which meaned that it would've been incredibly difficult for her to win preselection in a vote.

But don't worry she'll soon go away after all Hanson did.

All female politicians tend to stuff up then **** off. Good riddance.

BrisGirl
2 Jul 2002, 13:51
Originally posted by Slax
She didn't get a safe Labor seat because of the internal politics of the ALP which meaned that it would've been incredibly difficult for her to win preselection in a vote.

It might be blantantly obvious, but do you think the Labor Party took her out?

The Democrats at that time had taken a lot of the Labor votes away from Labor, and maybe they saw it as an opportunity to take the leader away and in the mean time take the Democrats power base away.

Did Labor really have any intention of making her Prime Minister? Was it Labors intention to pander to her ego and offer her the world and have her leave the Democrats, with the knowledge that they would make it as difficult as possible for her to succeed within the ALP?

If that is the case, they succceeded. The Democrats have lost support but their support has now gone the Greens not to Labor.

Is it a thought or what I have just said is common knowledge?

BrisGirl
2 Jul 2002, 13:54
Originally posted by red+black
All female politicians tend to stuff up then **** off. Good riddance.

Why has the female politician been singled out here?

There aren't too many females in the game but I can tell you there are a lot of male politicians that stuff up then have to leave.

I do not think that trait only belongs to the female of the game.

Goldenblue
2 Jul 2002, 14:51
Originally posted by BrisGirl


Why has the female politician been singled out here?

There aren't too many females in the game but I can tell you there are a lot of male politicians that stuff up then have to leave.

I do not think that trait only belongs to the female of the game.

Agreed.

Howard & Crean are the 2 biggest clowns in parliment along with Vanstone......

Regardless of sex or political party, I don't think I could name one decent politician in parliment.

Squeak
2 Jul 2002, 15:06
Originally posted by BrisGirl


Why has the female politician been singled out here?

There aren't too many females in the game but I can tell you there are a lot of male politicians that stuff up then have to leave.

I do not think that trait only belongs to the female of the game.

My all-time favoruite stuff-up was Bill O'Chee. Classic stuff. :D

dreamkillers
2 Jul 2002, 23:50
Originally posted by BrisGirl


It might be blantantly obvious, but do you think the Labor Party took her out?

The Democrats at that time had taken a lot of the Labor votes away from Labor, and maybe they saw it as an opportunity to take the leader away and in the mean time take the Democrats power base away.

Did Labor really have any intention of making her Prime Minister? Was it Labors intention to pander to her ego and offer her the world and have her leave the Democrats, with the knowledge that they would make it as difficult as possible for her to succeed within the ALP?

If that is the case, they succceeded. The Democrats have lost support but their support has now gone the Greens not to Labor.

Is it a thought or what I have just said is common knowledge?

ALP Leadership wanted her but the factions got their way in the end..........was an interesting interview on the 7:30 report tonight........

The Ewok
3 Jul 2002, 18:38
Been revealed by Laurie Oakes on Nine News tonight that she was getting porked by Gareth Evans and he lied to Parliament about the affair and to his ALP colleagues

Gareth and Feral Cheryl naked and going at it, now there is a thought to put anybody off their dinner :eek:

Shinboners
3 Jul 2002, 19:21
Originally posted by The Ewok
Been revealed by Laurie Oakes on Nine News tonight that she was getting porked by Gareth Evans and he lied to Parliament about the affair and to his ALP colleagues


Whilst I detested Cheryl Kernot and had a damn good long laugh at her fall from grace, it's kind of funny that the Canberra press gallery is going into a frenzy that politicians are porking people they shouldn't be and that one of them was caught lying to parliament. I've got friends who work in the political spheres in Canberra, and if everything that goes on in the private lives of the politicians and media was published, well, it would probably put Sodom to shame.

Ah, but what the heck - hahahahahahaahahahahahaha Chezza......better add an appendix to the next print run of your book......hahahahahahahaaha

London Dave
3 Jul 2002, 20:21
I thought Gareth would be incapable of shutting up long enough to have an affair!

Frodo
3 Jul 2002, 20:44
Democrat votes

Best Leader

1) Cheryl
2) Meg
3) Nastytasha the despot


Best Looking

1) Nastytasha the despot
2) Cheryl
3) Meg


Totals

1) Cheryl 5 points
2) Nastytasha 4 points
3) Meg 3 points


Result........Chryl is the best leader the Crats have had ;)

Bomber Spirit
3 Jul 2002, 21:11
Originally posted by Frodo
Result........Chryl is the best leader the Crats have had ;) Nothing for looks, but Janine Haines wasn't a bad leader. She did a lot better than that silly-looking bloke that was their next leader, forgotten his name.

Shinboners
3 Jul 2002, 22:03
Originally posted by Bomber Spirit
Nothing for looks, but Janine Haines wasn't a bad leader. She did a lot better than that silly-looking bloke that was their next leader, forgotten his name.

John Coulter. Then followed by Janet something-or-other. And like Gareth and Chezza, John and Janet enjoyed a bit of extra-cirricular activity.

JUBJUB
3 Jul 2002, 22:49
Originally posted by The Ewok

Gareth and Feral Cheryl naked and going at it, now there is a thought to put anybody off their dinner :eek:

Cheryl must of been hard up for a shag if she'd bonk Gareth Evans. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Sydneyfan
3 Jul 2002, 23:08
Originally posted by JUBJUB


Cheryl must of been hard up for a shag if she'd bonk Gareth Evans. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Could say the same thing in Gareth's case! :D

BrisGirl
4 Jul 2002, 10:30
The bottom line:- Her book is a farce.

She has put it out as a correct view of why she left the Democrats and it wasn't in the book. Laurie Oates, believes that it should be a correct and truthful account because it is a reflection of Political history in Australia.

What Cheryl did was huge (being a Leader of one Party, leaving it to become a nobody in another) and L Oates obviously thought it was the public's right to know why she did what she did.

Cheryl was the leader of a fast growing Political Party. At the stage when she left, the Democrats were on the way to becoming a very strong Party. Why would you leave?

This new relevation, makes it a little clearer.

Unbelievable though.

skilts
4 Jul 2002, 11:43
This Kernot woman sounds like a bit of a sex fiend, what with her interest in young boys as well. Maybe she used to get Gareth dressed up in nappies. They must have had something in common.

Please don't ascribe motives of protecting the public's right to know to Oakes. Just another sleazebag journalist trying to sell magazines. Has anyone ever noticed how appallingly he writes? His only claim to fame is that people occasionally slipped leaked documents into his letter box (I know, it makes for a very wet and slippery letter box). Great investigative journalism that.

Docker_Brat
4 Jul 2002, 12:19
Originally posted by Bomber Spirit
Nothing for looks, but Janine Haines wasn't a bad leader. She did a lot better than that silly-looking bloke that was their next leader, forgotten his name.
I had a fair bit of time for Janine Haines, had she not made an attempt for the lower house in the seat of Kingston she would have been around a few more years in the Senate.

Shame she missed out on the lower house, was a close call IIRC.

Shinboners
4 Jul 2002, 13:14
Originally posted by skilts
Please don't ascribe motives of protecting the public's right to know to Oakes. Just another sleazebag journalist trying to sell magazines.

A sleazebag journalist would've written the story once the first rumours of the affair became knowledge. One of the Liberal backbenchers asked a question in Parliament hinting at an affair.

Such a story would have been explosive, so the question could be asked, why didn't the journalists do an investigation at the time? After all, we're talking about the defection of a leader of a political party to another party, and the implications that the defection could have had an (intimate) personal basis to it as well as the political reasons means that a couple of political careers could have gone down the gurgler (notably Evans and Kernot).

I would argue that Kernot was protected by the media. They would have known about the affair at the time it was happening.

As in interesting sideline, on the ABC this morning, a former political staff member for Janet Powell (who had an affair with Sid Spindler, not John Coulter as I said in a previous post) said that Cheryl Kernot ran a campaign to expose the Powell-Spindler relationship saying that the intimate relationship between the two of them compromised Powell's leadership. In the end, the media did run with the story, Powell lost the leadership, and two years later, Kernot was leader of the Democrats. I hope that Powell and Spindler are having as good a laugh at Kernot's predicament as I am.

Mead
4 Jul 2002, 17:43
I don't like Oakes at all (hey, he's a journalist), but by the standards of his profession, you can't knock his integrity. He knew about this for 5 years, he sat on it, even while Gareth Evans denied it outright in parliament and accepted an apology from a liberal minister who dared suggest there was something going on.
Even after Cheryl had written the autobiography (in which she attacks Oakes more than once), all he said was that he was suprised she didn't reveal the big secret. After that, she basically said he was talking crap. At that point, he can either lose all credibility, or back himself up. He backed himself up.
And now we're all left with a horrific image of Gareth doing his 'Minister for Foreign Affairs' thing on Cheryl's heaving mass. My god, why couldn't it have been Natasha, at least that would be slightly less repulsive.

Docker_Brat
4 Jul 2002, 22:01
Originally posted by Mead
And now we're all left with a horrific image of Gareth doing his 'Minister for Foreign Affairs' thing on Cheryl's heaving mass.
Thanks for that, I was about to have dinner.

I guess it makes for easy dieting :)

Now all they need is nude pics of Amanda Vanstone outside Hungry Jacks.

Voice of Reason
4 Jul 2002, 22:03
Originally posted by Mead
I don't like Oakes at all (hey, he's a journalist), but by the standards of his profession, you can't knock his integrity. He knew about this for 5 years, he sat on it, even while Gareth Evans denied it outright in parliament and accepted an apology from a liberal minister who dared suggest there was something going on.
Even after Cheryl had written the autobiography (in which she attacks Oakes more than once), all he said was that he was suprised she didn't reveal the big secret. After that, she basically said he was talking crap. At that point, he can either lose all credibility, or back himself up. He backed himself up.
And now we're all left with a horrific image of Gareth doing his 'Minister for Foreign Affairs' thing on Cheryl's heaving mass. My god, why couldn't it have been Natasha, at least that would be slightly less repulsive.

I think the fact that Kernot has written this book without reference to the affair demonstrates that she is capable of misleading the public on a grand scale by omission. She cannot possibly maintain any credibility about the reasons for her betrayal of the Democrats without some reference to her relationship with the Bearded Wonder.

This is not surprising as I have always considered Kernot to be a hypocrite of the highest order - always the first to want to tell others how to live their lives, while she does whatever the hell she likes.

Oakes has always looked thoroughly unhealthy - hope he doesn't have a heart attack over all this.

On a relatively minor point, Mead, I fail to see why Gareth Evans porking Natasha Spotthe-Despot is any less repulsive than him giving Feral Cheryl one.

The Ewok
4 Jul 2002, 23:26
Originally posted by Voice of Reason

On a relatively minor point, Mead, I fail to see why Gareth Evans porking Natasha Spotthe-Despot is any less repulsive than him giving Feral Cheryl one.

Natasha is the femo nazi type that would willingly screw him for all he is worth and then scream 'rape rape rape' when he had outlived his use

BrisGirl
5 Jul 2002, 10:08
Now that Gareth Evans has publicly admitted to the affair gives basis to Cheryls defection to the Labor Party.

If the public knew that Gareth and Cheryl were having an affair at the same time she abandoned the Democrats, human reaction would all lead us to believe she was following her heart and not her head.

Cheryl did not leave the Democrats for the good of the public, to do better work, her sacrifice to the public.........she had someone whispering plans of grandure in her ear and she believed it.

Cheryl Kernot has no credibility and I doubt we will ever see her face in public again.

(The Democrat Party must be laughing their heads off)

Goldenblue
6 Jul 2002, 10:14
Originally posted by Docker_Brat

Now all they need is nude pics of Amanda Vanstone outside Hungry Jacks.


ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!
That is a rather sickening mental image......

Frodo
6 Jul 2002, 12:31
Originally posted by Voice of Reason


I think the fact that Kernot has written this book without reference to the affair demonstrates that she is capable of misleading the public on a grand scale by omission. She cannot possibly maintain any credibility about the reasons for her betrayal of the Democrats without some reference to her relationship with the Bearded Wonder.



You may be wrong there Vor. Maybe Cheryl is fairly astute.

Let's say that she released the book and it exposed the affair. It would have been seen as very nasty to Evans.

Be wary of a woman scorned, they say. The affair broke up her marriage, Evans ended the affair and Evans remains a married man whilst she is seperated and dumped from politics.

By writing a book without the affair she does two things :-

1) Evans gets payback but the blame goes on Oakes, not her.
2) A heap of free advertising for her book.

It seems that a load of people knew about the affair so the ommission from the book would certainly be brought out by someone, and if not then a few email copies in the right direction would fix it up.(Where did Oakes get his copies from I ask)

And finaly, what great timing this book is, detracting from the Meg Lees/Nastydespot saga.

Shinboners
6 Jul 2002, 14:30
Originally posted by Frodo


You may be wrong there Vor. Maybe Cheryl is fairly astute.

Let's say that she released the book and it exposed the affair. It would have been seen as very nasty to Evans.


It's a very well reasoned argument Frodo, but I don't think that Kernot would have had the foresight to plan and execute such a revenge plan on Evans. She was someone who was totally outmanoeuvered by Peter Reith on the industrial relations law, kept standing on peoples toes during her time with the ALP, and was totally incapable of accepting any of the blame for anything that went wrong in her career. It's hardly the track record of someone who could get even in the way that you suggest.

It's more likely that she really did believe that with the affair having been kept more or less secret for the past few years, that the secret would remain so after the release of her book.

Voice of Reason
7 Jul 2002, 01:04
Originally posted by Frodo
You may be wrong there Vor. Maybe Cheryl is fairly astute.

Let's say that she released the book and it exposed the affair. It would have been seen as very nasty to Evans.

Be wary of a woman scorned, they say. The affair broke up her marriage, Evans ended the affair and Evans remains a married man whilst she is seperated and dumped from politics.

By writing a book without the affair she does two things :-

1) Evans gets payback but the blame goes on Oakes, not her.
2) A heap of free advertising for her book.

It seems that a load of people knew about the affair so the ommission from the book would certainly be brought out by someone, and if not then a few email copies in the right direction would fix it up.(Where did Oakes get his copies from I ask)

And finaly, what great timing this book is, detracting from the Meg Lees/Nastydespot saga.

If you're right, she's an even bigger bitch than I thought!

Slax
7 Jul 2002, 06:33
All I can say is that allowing women to run the Democrats does something to them. I just hope it's third time lucky for them otherwise they will have to put Ridgeway in charge.

Just look at it, the best leader ever of the Democrats was Don Chipp.

Hawks_Fan
7 Jul 2002, 23:15
Does anybody else think that the politicians and the media have all missed the point??

Both parties are having a bitch fight over the fact IF the story should of been pubished and IF it is news worthy. The real question over the whole affair is 'If not for the love affair, would Cheryl joined the ALP?' This is very important and I believe the public should of known about the affair.

I also believe that Cheryl is an idiot. She's blames everyone else for her mistakes. You'll would think that she would of worked that out by now.

Pessimistic
9 Jul 2002, 13:34
Interesting that the sunday herald sun declared them both 'unfit for office' because of the afair, lying etc.

I look forward to that paper declaring Prince Charles 'unfit' for the office of head of state of australia for the same reasons

(now I sound like one of those idiots that writes letters to the 'sun')

Shinboners
9 Jul 2002, 15:23
Originally posted by Pessimistic
Interesting that the sunday herald sun declared them both 'unfit for office' because of the afair, lying etc.

It's even more interesting that you're taking what the Herald-Sun says seriously.


(now I sound like one of those idiots that writes letters to the 'sun')

It's a slippery slope. :D