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Who is better?
In my opinion, Michael Clarke becuase I am biased and because Pietersen is a co ck head.
Thoughts?
Who is better?
In my opinion, Michael Clarke becuase I am biased and because Pietersen is a co ck head.
Thoughts?
KP. No contest really.
Blue Dimension
14 Dec 2007, 20:15
I'd take KP.
Clarke is a great player, but i love the way KP goes about his buisness.
fightingdreamer88
14 Dec 2007, 20:35
While Clarke still has much improvement left in him imo, I'd probably go for KP. That said, he's the only English player I'd select right now.
PAFCsince1870
14 Dec 2007, 21:38
Clarke will be remembered as the better player by the end of their respective careers, and that's all that really matters.
Then again, I could just be really biased.
Cooldude
14 Dec 2007, 21:39
Pietersen
Chops18
14 Dec 2007, 22:35
KP by far i love clarkey but KP is far more exciting to watch but not as much as Oram
DeadlyAkkuret
14 Dec 2007, 23:58
KP by far i love clarkey but KP is far more exciting to watch but not as much as Oram
What's excitement got to do with it? Afridi is exciting to watch, but he's not better than Clarke. I'm not saying KP isn't better, just questioning the relevance of excitement when it comes to ranking batsmen.
melbournemartin
15 Dec 2007, 00:03
Excitement is handy but it's about who gets the runs and wins games for his team that counts the most. Clarke is a top player and should get better but KP is almost in a league of his own and should dominate attacks all around the world, even the Aussies in the next Ashes series.
As an Impartial... Pietersen obviously. Clarke doesn't even average 50 in tests or FC and KP has had to play Australia in 10 out of 32 Tests already where he averages 53.
Chops18
15 Dec 2007, 01:36
What's excitement got to do with it? Afridi is exciting to watch, but he's not better than Clarke. I'm not saying KP isn't better, just questioning the relevance of excitement when it comes to ranking batsmen.
i think you may have misunderstood but also rankings dont mean shit its just a stat that can be achieved against nobodys
DeadlyAkkuret
15 Dec 2007, 03:15
i think you may have misunderstood but also rankings dont mean shit its just a stat that can be achieved against nobodys
How have i misunderstood? You said KP is better, then followed it up with "he's far more exciting", which would lead most people to think that excitement is why you think KP is better.
awesome_assassin
15 Dec 2007, 04:30
I'd say KP at this stage in their careers. I wish Pup would use his feet more, especially against spin. He's a fine talent pup looks good when he's on song.
This is me not being biased.
Batting: Pietersen>>>>Clarke
Bowling: About even
Fielding: Clarke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pietersen
I'd say KP at this stage in their careers. I wish Pup would use his feet more, especially against spin. He's a fine talent pup looks good when he's on song.
That's a strange comment. Clarke is just about our best player of spin, his footwork against Murali in the tests and even Vettori last night was superb - not afraid to charge them and take them on.
As for the comparison KP for sure, he's a machine but by end of careers who knows, Pup's certainly improved his consistency the past 12 months.
Crazy lad
15 Dec 2007, 07:47
This is me not being biased.
Batting: Pietersen>>>>Clarke
Bowling: About even
Fielding: Clarke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pietersen
Clarke is a far better bowler than Pietersen.
Chops18
15 Dec 2007, 10:05
How have i misunderstood? You said KP is better, then followed it up with "he's far more exciting", which would lead most people to think that excitement is why you think KP is better.
God forbid i have my own opinion than.
TheColeTrain
15 Dec 2007, 10:26
I wish Pup would use his feet more, especially against spin.
Say what?
Have you seen him bat? If he used his feet any more he would be moving non stop
DonMania#5
15 Dec 2007, 11:37
Pietersen by a mile at the moment.
DeadlyAkkuret
15 Dec 2007, 12:51
God forbid i have my own opinion than.
Lol it's got nothing to do with who's opinion is right and who's wrong, but you told me i misunderstood what you said, so maybe you could tell me which part i'm apparently not clear on?
Team Mo'
15 Dec 2007, 13:05
That's a strange comment. Clarke is just about our best player of spin, his footwork against Murali in the tests and even Vettori last night was superb - not afraid to charge them and take them on.
As for the comparison KP for sure, he's a machine but by end of careers who knows, Pup's certainly improved his consistency the past 12 months.
I'd say KP at this stage in their careers. I wish Pup would use his feet more, especially against spin. He's a fine talent pup looks good when he's on song.
yeh clarke has great foot movement against spin, hes attacking but against the pace he can get stuck on the crease when early but then he gets better as the overs go by....
at this stage i would rather KP or pup
yeh clarke has great foot movement against spin, hes attacking but against the pace he can get stuck on the crease when early but then he gets better as the overs go by....
at this stage i would rather KP or pup
Clarke struggles against the moving ball but rarely has to face it due to our top order's dominance. KP is always under more pressure.
dobbo_18
15 Dec 2007, 16:53
I'd choose KP every day of the week. They're both 27, so it will be interesting to see how their careers pan out. Clarke has the advantage of coming in after Ponting, Hussey, Jaques and Hayden, whereas Pietersen carries the weight of the whole England side on his shoulders.
rocker_oz33
15 Dec 2007, 19:37
Kevin Pietersen is far better batsmen he was great in the ashes 2005,pup is doing is doing well of late if you had to pick one in your team l would take KP
Crazy lad
16 Dec 2007, 00:08
Clarke would be my choice, Pietersen is not a team player and is only concerned about himself whereas Clarke plays for the team.
PAFCsince1870
16 Dec 2007, 01:15
KP easily.
This a joke?
Easily?
KP is almost a year older, averages a few more runs in each version of the game, but Clarke is a million miles ahead in the field. I'll put the bowling aside, as I don't think it's entirely relevant.
Clarke is likely to be our next skipper, what exactly are showpony Pietersen's leadership credentials?
Better batsman? At present, KP, marginally.
More valuable? Too close to call.
But far from a joke.
DeadlyAkkuret
16 Dec 2007, 01:42
Easily?
KP is almost a year older, averages a few more runs in each version of the game, but Clarke is a million miles ahead in the field. I'll put the bowling aside, as I don't think it's entirely relevant.
Clarke is likely to be our next skipper, what exactly are showpony Pietersen's leadership credentials?
Better batsman? At present, KP, marginally.
More valuable? Too close to call.
But far from a joke.
Good post. I love Clarke but even i'm not willing to seperate the two. KP is probably ahead at the minute, in terms of the attacks he's dominated, but some people are acting like it's such a clear choice.
Pup is a classic stroke maker, and has all the ingredients to be one of the best.
PAFCsince1870
16 Dec 2007, 02:55
Good post. I love Clarke but even i'm not willing to seperate the two. KP is probably ahead at the minute, in terms of the attacks he's dominated, but some people are acting like it's such a clear choice.
Pup is a classic stroke maker, and has all the ingredients to be one of the best.
His cover driving is a joy to behold :thumbsu:
Erm, is this thread serious? KP may be a complete vile yarpie twit, but he's twice the bat the Kiddie is.
Seriously, no contest.
Bomber Bears
16 Dec 2007, 08:57
KP is easily better at this stage, but who knows what the record books will say in 10 years
crowsarethebest
16 Dec 2007, 09:27
KP easily. Dominates a match and takes the game away from the opposition. He seems to be so hard to get out. Awwsome player.
Lovett Lover 13
16 Dec 2007, 10:19
Clarke has a much better Technique but Pieterson is the better player at this stage
davey_magik
16 Dec 2007, 10:23
WTF?
One bats at no.4 and is regularly exposed to the new ball due to the fact his top order has a tendency to lose early wickets. The other has batted at 5 and 6 and is protected by a very strong top order.
I love watching Pup play but comparing him to KP? KP by a street.
KP easily. Dominates a match and takes the game away from the opposition. He seems to be so hard to get out. Awwsome player.
Easily? No.
But Pietersen at the moment is the better player. Whether that lasts for the rest of their careers is debatable. At the moment neither of them are in the class form of Symonds, who is probably a better comparison.
DeadlyAkkuret
16 Dec 2007, 14:22
Easily? No.
But Pietersen at the moment is the better player. Whether that lasts for the rest of their careers is debatable. At the moment neither of them are in the class form of Symonds, who is probably a better comparison.
Are you kidding me? Clarke's last two test innings were 140-odd and 70-odd. Symonds is flashy and very exciting sometimes, but he's not as good as KP or Clarke.
Are you kidding me? No.but he's not as good as KP or Clarke.
At this minute, he's better than both of them. Maybe not Clarke.
DeadlyAkkuret
16 Dec 2007, 14:50
No.
At this minute, he's better than both of them. Maybe not Clarke.
Well what does that mean? Any batsman can be better than any other batsman at "this minute", but it's a pointless argument comparing Symonds to Pup or KP.
but it's a pointless argument comparing Symonds to Pup or KP.
At the moment Symonds is up there as one of the top 5 form batsmen in the world. As would Clarke be. I'd argue Pietersen is.
The who is better than who debates are best left until after players have finished. Unless you want to pissfight over averages, which is only suited to winning arguments on paper and internet forums. How someone batted 12 months ago has no relevance to now.
DeadlyAkkuret
16 Dec 2007, 15:07
At the moment Symonds is up there as one of the top 5 form batsmen in the world. As would Clarke be. I'd argue Pietersen is.
The who is better than who debates are best left until after players have finished. Unless you want to pissfight over averages, which is only suited to winning arguments on paper and internet forums. How someone batted 12 months ago has no relevance to now.
I don't care about averages either, they're both better batsmen than Symonds, and he has a long way to go until he can be compared to any player who performs consistenly.
Roy is a super ODI player, but in general terms he's not in the same class as the two names in the title of this thread.
Roy is a super ODI player, but in general terms he's not in the same class as the two names in the title of this thread.
He is also now starting to convert that form into test cricket. Anyway, thats your opinion, it's not mine.
Easily?
KP is almost a year older, averages a few more runs in each version of the game, but Clarke is a million miles ahead in the field. I'll put the bowling aside, as I don't think it's entirely relevant.
Clarke is likely to be our next skipper, what exactly are showpony Pietersen's leadership credentials?
Better batsman? At present, KP, marginally.
More valuable? Too close to call.
But far from a joke.
Is pup suddenly a great leader because he led us in a hit and giggle? Let him lead a weak side and see what he's made of. KP has taken over on the field when the captain has been injured.
Team Mo'
16 Dec 2007, 18:39
At the moment Symonds is up there as one of the top 5 form batsmen in the world. As would Clarke be. I'd argue Pietersen is.
The who is better than who debates are best left until after players have finished. Unless you want to pissfight over averages, which is only suited to winning arguments on paper and internet forums. How someone batted 12 months ago has no relevance to now.
maybe on form but if your saying who is better than its KP....who will be better is unknown....
i'll say KP will be known as a better player because he is in a line up that isnt full of superstars that will take away his limelight
He is also now starting to convert that form into test cricket. Anyway, thats your opinion, it's not mine.
What tests has he played recently? The hundred against England 353 days ago or the few fifties against a smashed SL side? Hardly one of the form batsmen in the world... Chanderpaul, Kallis, Misbah, Jaffer these are the form batsmen.
davey_magik
16 Dec 2007, 19:40
What tests has he played recently? The hundred against England 353 days ago or the few fifties against a smashed SL side? Hardly one of the form batsmen in the world... Chanderpaul, Kallis, Misbah, Jaffer these are the form batsmen.
Spot on. Some poeple on here have NFI.
bunsen burner
16 Dec 2007, 20:40
Pieterson is so far better it's not funny. Silly thread.
bunsen burner
16 Dec 2007, 20:43
Clarke has a much better Technique but Pieterson is the better player at this stagetechnique counts for little. Actually, it's irrelevant in such discussions.
dp3[WLD]
16 Dec 2007, 20:50
Pietersen
But Symonds owns in ODI
PAFCsince1870
17 Dec 2007, 11:14
Is pup suddenly a great leader because he led us in a hit and giggle? Let him lead a weak side and see what he's made of. KP has taken over on the field when the captain has been injured.
When did I say he was a great leader? He looked completely in control out there Tuesday night, regardless of what form of the game it is, and has long been slated as our next skipper.
Monkeyboy
17 Dec 2007, 12:04
Good comparison.
In one corner you have about the 4th/5th best bat in the world (Punter, Hussey and Sanga have top 3 covered), who can be selfish, bats beautifully, is average in the field and offers little with the ball.
In the other corner you have a batsman who is probably around 10-15 in the world, top handful of fielders in the world, earmarked to captain the strongest country in the world, and bowls some basic spin.
I'm leaning toward KP just. As this South African is the only England rep i enjoy watching play cricket.