View Full Version : Bryce McGain for Australia
Rocco Jones
17 Dec 2007, 13:59
Join the movement.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6310279274
thebigboy
17 Dec 2007, 15:21
Is it just me or did you expect bushranger to have started this.
bushranger
17 Dec 2007, 16:15
the side is picked tomorrow and its down to him v tait v hogg
i expect a 13man squad and bryce and tait to be in it
It would be great to see the kid get a shot at the big time.:thumbsu:
bushranger
17 Dec 2007, 16:27
far from a kid 35
PAFCsince1870
17 Dec 2007, 16:46
the side is picked tomorrow and its down to him v tait v hogg
i expect a 13man squad and bryce and tait to be in it
Tait>>>daylight>>>>>>Hogg/McGain
bombersno1
17 Dec 2007, 16:53
As long as Hogg isn't in the XI I'll be happy. McGain is hardly the worst option, that said I'd go with 4 quicks.
High Ryder
17 Dec 2007, 17:19
I think there was some sarcasm on jozeph's behalf.
The Sim Dog
17 Dec 2007, 17:37
Has got to be considered. I would prefer Tait in and 4 quicks but by the sounds this pitch is going to be slow/low. Unfortunate as these were never characteristics of past MCG wickets.
bluechampion
17 Dec 2007, 17:40
I notice Ben Carbonaro has joined...
That's good enough for me...
Ricketts
17 Dec 2007, 18:27
This is why Victorians get so upset at a lack of their players in the national side.
bushranger
17 Dec 2007, 19:09
drp clark for tait
mcgain for mcgilla
Jordan...
17 Dec 2007, 19:58
drp clark for tait
mcgain for mcgilla
Yeah and drop Ponting for Hodge.
ManWithNoName
17 Dec 2007, 20:00
drp clark for tait
mcgain for mcgilla
Sorry, do WHAT do Clark?
This is a rapid rise.
It feels like Bob Holland all over again. Scary thing is I think his name will be brought up at the selection meeting and deservedly so, he is bowling very well right now, but will the selectors think this will be a bridge to far?
Rocco Jones
17 Dec 2007, 20:05
Tait for Johnson
McGain for MacGill
You know it makes sense.
Ricketts
17 Dec 2007, 20:23
21 wickets @ 32....
:o
Lucky to be holding his spot in the Victorian side really.
Rocco Jones
17 Dec 2007, 20:28
21 wickets @ 32....
:o
It beats Hogg's first class average.
21 wickets @ 32....
:o
taken more wickets than the other spinners in the country this season.
Rocco Jones
17 Dec 2007, 20:41
I am not a fan of playing four pace bowlers. If three can't do the job for you, you're pretty ****ed anyway.
McGain has variety, Hogg has a wrong un and stock standard crapola. Hogg is rubbish when batsmen can actually wait for his crud to come (and boy will it ever).
Grow some balls selectors and play Bryce!
Rocco Jones
17 Dec 2007, 20:43
taken more wickets than the other spinners in the country this season.
Pretty economical too.
I like McGain as well, i dont think Hogg has the patience to be a very successful test match bowler.
PAFCsince1870
17 Dec 2007, 20:45
I am not a fan of playing four pace bowlers. If three can't do the job for you, you're pretty ****ed anyway.
McGain has variety, Hogg has a wrong un and stock standard crapola. Hogg is rubbish when batsmen can actually wait for his crud to come (and boy will it ever).
Grow some balls selectors and play Bryce!
Not if that fourth bowler is Shaun Tait ;)
taken more wickets than the other spinners in the country this season.
He has also bowled more overs than every other spinner in the country.
Has bowled 80 odd more overs than Hogg and taken 8 more wickets.
If they choose to go a spinner its Hogg.
Why would they go for a one season wonder who is 35 and is averaging 31 with the ball? If he was averaging 20 with the ball you may look at him but seriously...
Rocco Jones
18 Dec 2007, 10:41
Not if that fourth bowler is Shaun Tait ;)
Tait is in our best three pace bowlers imo.
Tait > Johnson. End of story.
PAFCsince1870
18 Dec 2007, 10:53
Tait is in our best three pace bowlers imo.
Tait > Johnson. End of story.
No argument from me on that one :thumbsu:
It's just Johnson has done nothing wrong, without really being amazing. I just can't see the selectors picking Lee, Clark and Tait plus a spinner, and leaving Mitch twelfth man.
year of the roo
18 Dec 2007, 11:14
Excellent initiative, RJ :thumbsu:
Happy to help out in any way I can.
Fortunately it didn't work...
Abba Lonie
18 Dec 2007, 11:30
Pro-Hogg or just anti-McGain?
Pro-Hogg or just anti-McGain?
Hogg deserves his chance much more than a guy thats had one deecent season.
that_dood
18 Dec 2007, 11:45
Hogg hands down. They won't play four paceman. Lee, Clark, Johnson/Tait, Hogg.
No one picks Hogg's Wrong'un as shown in One Day matches. Proven himself at Pura Cup level. Clearly the best spinner in Australia at this moment.
Ricketts
18 Dec 2007, 11:57
Pro-Hogg or just anti-McGain?
Pro-common-sense. Something Victorian cricket fans don't have.
year of the roo
18 Dec 2007, 12:03
This is going to prove costly. Mediocrity once again prevails.
PAFCsince1870
18 Dec 2007, 12:19
The Indians will smash either I reckon.
Oh well, if Hogg turns out to be a joke, worse we should really manage is a draw, and there's still 3 tests after this one.
Abba Lonie
18 Dec 2007, 13:22
McGain wouldn't do any worse than Hogg. Probably no better, but no worse.
You have to go with what you know, Hogg is proven at ODI level, there's a chance he might go OK at test cricket (assuming he is given an opportunity to hold his place). I'm happy for him to play, but its a very safe option taken by the selectors.
Rocco Jones
18 Dec 2007, 14:19
Hogg is nothing when batsmen can afford to wait for his bad deliveries.
Awesome wrong un and nothing else.
Freo Big Fella
18 Dec 2007, 15:29
Hogg is nothing when batsmen can afford to wait for his bad deliveries.
Awesome wrong un and nothing else.
Like when he took eight wickets against hacktoria?:o
PAFCsince1870
18 Dec 2007, 16:13
Like when he took eight wickets against hacktoria?:o
Lol, one game?
His career First Class average tells the real story.
Bryce puts his head down and gets some wickets against India in the upcoming match is what he needs to focus on,
If Hogg plays well in the first test than there is nothing McGain can do, but If he does not have a good match the spinning wicket of the SCG may be an opportunity. But starting a run for a national cap so late is clearly never going to help.
Rocco Jones
18 Dec 2007, 18:43
Like when he took eight wickets against hacktoria?:o
Ha! Clever boy, you replace 'Vic' with 'hack'!
You seem very West Aussie. Hate Victoria much more than you actually love WA.
that_dood
18 Dec 2007, 20:30
Ha! Clever boy, you replace 'Vic' with 'hack'!
You seem very West Aussie. Hate Victoria much more than you actually love WA.
"We hate them cause their Victorian!!!";)
Freo Big Fella
18 Dec 2007, 21:58
Ha! Clever boy, you replace 'Vic' with 'hack'!
You seem very West Aussie. Hate Victoria much more than you actually love WA.
Yes of course, you've nailed me big time.:o
You certainly seem very Victorian, which one of your underperformers will you nominate for the test side next?
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
18 Dec 2007, 22:08
Tait is in our best three pace bowlers imo.
Tait > Johnson. End of story.
Having Lee, Tait and Clark is a bit of a risk, India could be 0/300 at lunch.
I like Johnson, provides some variety and bowls at a decent pace.
saintsownthedome
18 Dec 2007, 22:11
Yes of course, you've nailed me big time.:o
You certainly seem very Victorian, which one of your underperformers will you nominate for the test side next?
Underperformers ? Last time I opened the paper the Vics were equal top of the table. Not sure how much more they can perform ?
Rocco Jones
19 Dec 2007, 07:20
Yes of course, you've nailed me big time.:o
You certainly seem very Victorian, which one of your underperformers will you nominate for the test side next?
Seriously mate still trying to get over replacing 'Vic' with 'hack'. Gold. Must be some kid of genius.
Hey gotta fear for a state with an average IQ of about 76 when it's mining boom is over.
OzBomber
19 Dec 2007, 23:24
19 December, 2007
McGain was in the mix: Ponting
Andrew Wu in Hobart, Sportal
Unheralded Victorian leg-spinner Bryce McGain nearly capped off a stunning rise from grade cricket obscurity to the centre stage of the Boxing Day Test.
Australian captain Ricky Ponting revealed on Wednesday that McGain's name was mentioned when selectors sat down to discuss the make up of the squad for the Boxing Day Test against India.
Ponting was in Hobart last Saturday, albeit as a spectator, when McGain, who has taken 21 wickets at an average of 32 from his six Pura Cup appearances, grabbed 3-32 to help Victoria defeat Tasmania in a Ford Ranger Cup match.
"I had a good chat with the selectors over the last few days and even yesterday morning about potential selections for the Boxing Day Test and his name definitely came up," Ponting said on Wednesday.
"He's done a terrific job for Victoria this year in both forms of the game as well."
"Hoggy's record over the years has probably just got him slightly ahead of McGain at the moment, but as I said there's no doubt his name's up there in front of the selectors and if he keeps doing a good job he's giving himself a good chance to get selected at a later date."
Unable to add to his tally of three first-class matches for Victoria until Shane Warne's retirement last summer, McGain spent nearly all his career toiling for club side Prahran in Melbourne grade cricket.
But the leg-spinner, who turns 36 in March and does not have a contract with Cricket Australia, has since cemented a berth in the Bushrangers side in both four-day and limited overs cricket.
http://cricket.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=40413
If you look at Hogg's career average over the past few seasons it's about 24, his role has changed from an occasional bowler to a main spinner and has done well since then
According to Cricketarchive.com, his stats between October 2004 (When he started to become WA's priciple spinner instead of a batsman) and 3 december this season he has taken 44 wickets @ an average of 23.81 with a batting average 34.61 which is always handy
bushranger
20 Dec 2007, 08:17
mcgain will play for aus in the next 6 months
he will get a contract
i expect
hodge
hussey
white
mcgain
siddle
to get contracts
mcgain will play for aus in the next 6 months
he will get a contract
i expect
hodge
hussey
white
mcgain
siddle
to get contracts
Siddle? :D
Rocco Jones
20 Dec 2007, 08:35
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22949785-2882,00.html
Victorian leggie Bryce McGain quietly chuffed by praise
Michael Horan
December 20, 2007 12:00am
http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5808389,00.jpg
HUMILITY is all too rare in elite sport, but it is one of the appealing aspects of multi-faceted Victoria leg-spinner Bryce McGain's personality.
At 35, McGain is entitled to enjoy his standing as the best performed first-class spin bowler in Australia this season, and soak up the fact he is probably only an injury to Brad Hogg away from becoming a Test cricketer.
In his own words he is a "massive long shot" to win a Test cap, and the media hype is a bit of fun more than anything else.
However it is also vindication for a cricketer who would not quit his dream to play the game he loves at the highest possible level.
The lean, good-looking bloke, who looks like someone out of a Hugh Grant movie, cuts a fine figure in a suit and spectacles as he taps away on a laptop, attending to his largely neglected other life as a 16-year employee of the ANZ Bank.
These days he looks equally impressive in creams as Victoria's leg-spin successor to Shane Warne.
Despite having to wait until he was almost 30 to make his first-class debut, and after managing just five games in six subsequent seasons as Warne and Cameron White confined him to Premier Cricket ranks, McGain dared to train harder, hone his skills and prove the cricket world wrong.
The pressures of his job, of being a separated parent to his eight-year-old son, Liam, and the often repeated suggestion he was too old and not good enough for first-class cricket, are battles now won.
McGain's 21 Pura Cup wickets at an average of 31.90 make him the best performed spinner in Australia, a position he, in his own quiet way, is loving as he prepares for the next challenge -- the three-day tour match against India starting at the Junction Oval today.
"Humbly, I've been pretty confident about what I can do, without being extroverted," McGain said. "I'm not cocky or anything like that, but I'm confident with ball in hand."
McGain has played only 11 first-class matches but is loving every minute after starting his cricket journey long ago. A self-taught bowler from Mornington who was six when his father, Ted, died of a heart attack, McGain made his Premier Cricket debut in 1993-94 under Shaun Graf at the newly formed Frankston-Peninsula club, before moving on to Prahran seven seasons later.
His Premier Cricket career stands at 196 games, for 339 wickets at an average of 24.95.
With no father figure for a mentor, McGain set his own cricket compass and quickly decided leg-spin was the way to go.
"I guess I've only been reflective in the last year or so, wondering how did all this take shape?" he said yesterday.
"I don't have a lot of answers for that, other than when I was playing at school I thought it was pretty stupid bowling as fast as you can. I found that pretty easy to hit when I was batting. So I thought if you put some spin on the ball it makes it a bit tougher to hit.
"It's as simple as that, I think."
His action is compact and relaxed. His accuracy is Warne-esque, as his figures of 3-32 off 10 overs in last week's Ford Ranger Cup against top side Tasmania attest.
"I've had no coaching, really," McGain said. "I've just watched telly and observed just how they did things. I play OK golf and have never had a lesson, and guess it's the same with cricket, I just watched the spinners.
"In the early days, everyone came in on an angle. I'd see Ray Bright going sideways across the TV screen and other blokes going this way and that. That's how it was initially, and when I was about 28 I went over to Adelaide for a spin week at the academy.
"Once I straightened up and worked on that, the improvement was pretty much immediate."
The Warne influence on him was purely academic, a clinical study of the best there is.
"I'm just like everyone else, just an average Joe who liked to watch him bowl," McGain said.
"I'd watch him in a different way, in that I wanted to learn. Why is he going around the wicket? Why is he doing this or that? I had a lot of questions, and a couple of weeks ago I was able to get a few answers to those sort of things, find out why he did do that -- he let me know.
"I enjoyed observing and enjoyed the fact that he was just great."
McGain is fitter than he's ever been and, through the support of his employer, is putting in the time that has produced the best form of his career. That progression, which started when he switched to Prahran to reduce his travel, was swift.
"There's no mistaking, once you do that, your game improves," McGain said. "In 18 months I went from the second XI at Frankston, in my last game there, to playing my first Shield game, so it made a big difference actually putting some work into my game rather than travelling."
His resolve to survive in cricket was tested like never before 16 months ago when he separated from his wife. Spending time with his son, satisfying his employers and chasing the dream was a juggling act of epic proportions.
"I didn't comprehend how tough it was going to be. Four-day cricket and the training, the expectations are pretty high," McGain said.
"When the players in our squad get the chance to sit down and have a bit of a rest, that's the bit I'm missing. I'm rushing from training straight up to work. Then leave at 5-5.30 and pick up my son from after-school care.
"It is a juggling act, for sure." McGain sees Test cricket as vaguely possible, but essentially a lot of media byplay in a quiet news period between series.
"To be a realist, it's a massive long shot," he said "It's nice to be mentioned and all that, but you have to be a realist. It's nice to be thought of and have past players indicate I'm going all right, but that's about it."
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What a dreamboat!
bushranger
20 Dec 2007, 08:46
u gotta love mcgain
u gotta love mcgain
Man crush?
OzBomber
20 Dec 2007, 09:23
Lol, look at him working away on his laptop. Probably sending emails to bushranger.
bushranger
20 Dec 2007, 09:36
this guy is the best spinner in the world
Mcgain>>>murali>>>>Kumble>>>>Panesar>>White>>>cullen>>>>>>macgill>>>>>hogg
Rocco Jones
20 Dec 2007, 09:45
Lol, look at him working away on his laptop. Probably sending emails to bushranger.
I think he is looking at the facebook group created in his honour.
Rocco Jones
20 Dec 2007, 09:47
Man crush?
Having a crush on Bryce doesn't make you gay, it just makes you human.
Rocco Jones
20 Dec 2007, 09:48
this guy is the best spinner in the world
Mcgain>>>murali>>>>Kumble>>>>Panesar>>White>>>cullen>>>>>>macgill>>>>>hogg
This bushranger guy is very clever.
Ricketts
20 Dec 2007, 10:06
Won't even be in the Victorian side next season. This whole week of talking him up is highly embarassing.
Rocco Jones
20 Dec 2007, 10:10
Won't even be in the Victorian side next season.
Agree with you fine sir, he will be too busy playing for Australia.
Few wickets against the Indians in the three dayer and he'd have to be in the squad for Sydney.
that_dood
20 Dec 2007, 12:34
mcgain will play for aus in the next 6 months
he will get a contract
i expect
hodge
hussey
white
mcgain
siddle
to get contracts
I laughed hard:D:D:D
TheBrownlowMan37
20 Dec 2007, 12:46
Won't even be in the Victorian side next season. This whole week of talking him up is highly embarassing.
He's the worst "Best Spinner in the Country" since Giles.
bombersno1
20 Dec 2007, 17:12
Few wickets against the Indians in the three dayer and he'd have to be in the squad for Sydney.
Why exactly? Hogg, Clarke, and Symonds are enough spinners. No need for another one!
ManWithNoName
21 Dec 2007, 03:12
Lol, look at him working away on his laptop. Probably sending emails to bushranger.
Maybe he IS Bushranger?
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
21 Dec 2007, 11:06
Lol, look at him working away on his laptop. Probably sending emails to bushranger.
GOLD
:D :D :D
year of the roo
21 Dec 2007, 17:59
Siddle? :D
Siddle is probably the most likely of those players listed to get a contract. The form young quick in Australia.
Moin Khan
4 Jan 2008, 18:06
Only 2 wickets for Hogg on Sydney's pitch - not a good sign. Makes dropping him for Tait in Perth easy, thus allowing McGain to play in Adelaide as well...
ChrisFooty
4 Jan 2008, 21:04
Only 2 wickets for Hogg on Sydney's pitch - not a good sign. Makes dropping him for Tait in Perth easy, thus allowing McGain to play in Adelaide as well...
You can't drop Hogg just because of one innings. How about his second innings? The SCG pitch should turn and assist him.
Moin Khan
6 Jan 2008, 16:56
You can't drop Hogg just because of one innings. How about his second innings? The SCG pitch should turn and assist him.
Second innings - even worse. Had his chance and blew it - couldn't even get a bowl above Roy and Pup, he's not up to it.
Get McGain in for Adelaide.
TheBushranger
6 Jan 2008, 17:13
Get Hogg out and anyone else in. Preferably Tait and Noffke for Johnson and Hogg.
Rocco Jones
10 Jan 2008, 22:15
Bryce McGain's twenty/20 stats so far:
3 games
11 overs
5 wickets
60 runs
The geniuses realised you were the best spin bowler in the land months ago, it's only a matter of time before the masses and the selectors do the same.
All hail Bryce McGain, a spinning Ghod.
Cousin Jed
10 Jan 2008, 22:39
Bryce McGain's twenty/20 stats so far:
3 games
11 overs
5 wickets
60 runs
The geniuses realised you were the best spin bowler in the land months ago, it's only a matter of time before the masses and the selectors do the same.
All hail Bryce McGain, a spinning Ghod.
Question goes to relevance your honour?
TheMase
11 Jan 2008, 16:17
Bryce McGain's twenty/20 stats so far:
3 games
11 overs
5 wickets
60 runs
The geniuses realised you were the best spin bowler in the land months ago, it's only a matter of time before the masses and the selectors do the same.
All hail Bryce McGain, a spinning Ghod.
Steven Smith
4 games
8.3 overs
9 wickets
48 runs
NSW - 18 years old. Can also bat.
This has absolutely no relevance to the long form of the game however...
McGain is 35 isn't he??
Smokey_22
11 Jan 2008, 16:35
Steven Smith
4 games
8.3 overs
9 wickets
48 runs
NSW - 18 years old. Can also bat.
This has absolutely no relevance to the long form of the game however...
McGain is 35 isn't he??
Tops the sydney grade batting charts IIRC. GUN.
High Ryder
11 Jan 2008, 17:16
Thats nice, go talk him up somewhere else. This thread is reserved for Bryce Mcgain.
TheMase
11 Jan 2008, 17:47
Tops the sydney grade batting charts IIRC. GUN.
Yep, and second highest wicket taker.
Moin Khan
13 Jan 2008, 20:18
McGoo again showed why he should be in the Test team.
Won the game for the Vics after bowling the most dangerous batsman in domestic 20/20 cricket with a perfect Zooter first nut!
Proved yet again that he actually knows what he is doing - rather than running around smiling with his tongue hanging out - the reason hoggy smiles so much is he can't believe he gets picked...
eagles158
13 Jan 2008, 20:29
Hahahahahahahahaha omg omg rofl lol!!!!111!!
No.
He's got good variety:
Fast straight ball, slow straight ball, flighted straight ball and flat straight ball.
Going to trouble all batsmen.
:rolleyes:
He's got good variety:
Fast straight ball, slow straight ball, flighted straight ball and flat straight ball.
Going to trouble all batsmen.
:rolleyes:
Yeah ... on a wicket that historically DOES NOT TURN!
:rolleyes:
eddiesmith
13 Jan 2008, 23:37
Yeah ... on a wicket that historically DOES NOT TURN!
:rolleyes:
But it must have been a pretty weak opposition, oh wait....
:rolleyes:
Moin Khan
14 Jan 2008, 10:22
He's got good variety:
Fast straight ball, slow straight ball, flighted straight ball and flat straight ball.
Going to trouble all batsmen.
:rolleyes:
Shows how much you know
dan warna
14 Jan 2008, 10:48
Bryce mcgain is bowling well, he's in form and getting quality wickets, he should be an option.
much better than selecting the least worst NSW hack.
Yeah ... on a wicket that historically DOES NOT TURN!
:rolleyes:
Aaron Heal was turning it a bit..and hes a bloody finger spinner.
Shows how much you know
Prove to me otherwise.
Every ING cup wicket and 20/20 wicket he has got this year has been the batsmen decepted by the lack of spin rather than the amount of it.. you cant tell me that you can argue with that..
eddiesmith
14 Jan 2008, 12:16
Aaron Heal was turning it a bit..and hes a bloody finger spinner.
Yeah and? Finger spin is bloody easy to get it to turn a mile
Hogg shouldn't get suspended but if he does for a couple, McGain could be a slight chance for the Adelaide test.
Moin Khan
14 Jan 2008, 13:23
Prove to me otherwise.
Every ING cup wicket and 20/20 wicket he has got this year has been the batsmen decepted by the lack of spin rather than the amount of it.. you cant tell me that you can argue with that..
Shows how much you know
Shows how much you know
Good examples!
Im on the Bryce McGain bandwagon now, you have proven his worth to me.
Thankyou
Yeah and? Finger spin is bloody easy to get it to turn a mile
Name a left arm orthodox spinner that can turn a ball further than a right arm wrist spinner? (McGain excluded)
Rocco Jones
14 Jan 2008, 19:48
I feel for Pommers. Outside of Heal, every spiner he has faced in the nets have been out and out duds.