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GOALden Hawk
4 Jul 2002, 15:50
Just wondering who do you guys think have been really inflential bands.
I don't so much mean the huge acts like Nirvana. Certainly the fact an "alternative" band like themselves could sell so many records had a major influence as it opened the doors for so many other bands. But I'm talking more about the bands that influence Nirvana and layed the foundations. They are usually the bands that are mentioned in interviews by band members when talking about what inspired them to start their own musical careers.
I think the line is something like "they didn't sell many records, but everyone or saw them play started a band of their own"
Some I can think of include The Pixies, The Saints, The Specials, and Bad Religion.
Bad Religion founded Epitaph records because they couldn't get distributed, and that label has been crucial in setting up the punk scene over the past 20 years.
Go to any ska gig in the world now and you can almost guarantee the band will chuck in at least one Specials cover in their encore.
And the Pixies loud-soft dynamics were copied by many bands including Nirvana and the Smashing Pumpkins.
S.J Rollin
4 Jul 2002, 15:57
The Velvet Underground.
Shinboners
4 Jul 2002, 16:16
Yep, agree with the Velvet Underground. Add to that the Sex Pistols, The Smiths, The Jesus And Mary Chain, and Joy Division/New Order and they would be the most influential bands for the music that I listen to.
And (although they're not a band) don't forget Stock, Aitken, and Waterman who perfected the manufacture of disposable pop songs. Love it or hate it, it's been replicated by producers since the SAW heyday.
GOALden Hawk
4 Jul 2002, 16:31
Sorry, forgot the Velvet Underground. According to "Over the Top" - which is the best book on alternative music I know, most people consider their album to be the first truly "alternative" album.
CowboyFromHell
4 Jul 2002, 16:34
On the Metal Industry - Pantera. Simple.
Black Majesty
4 Jul 2002, 16:46
Cheap Trick
Queen
The Sweet
Beatles
Black Sabbath
Led Zep
Rolling Stones
Kiss
Rusty Brookes
4 Jul 2002, 17:01
Velvet Underground definitely fall into this category. I would add the Stooges and the MC5: despite poor record sales they had a huge influence on the direction 70s rock took. Love, a 60s band from Los Angeles were incredibly influential yet even to this day remain fairly anonymous. Their album Forever Changes has been named by many people as the best rock album of all time.
pedrothelioness
4 Jul 2002, 18:34
I would put some of the girl bands from the 60's garage era, antyhing from the red bird label, also stuff like shangi la's
oh_my_hat
4 Jul 2002, 21:42
The Beatles
KISS
Led Zepplin
Aerosmith
The Rolling Stones
Bob Dylan
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ozcoltsfan
4 Jul 2002, 22:46
Metallica
Originally posted by oh_my_hat
KISS
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tssk tskk tssk.......KISS would be NOWHERE....NOTHING without ALICE COOPER !!! and that's a fact...just ask Gene & Paul!
Santos L Helper
4 Jul 2002, 23:23
GOALden Hawk, I believe that 'Epitaph' was a major influence on the 'modern' punk scene, not from 20 years ago. I feel that Minor Threat's 'Dischord' label had a massive influence on the punk scene from the 80's and another label which had a massive influence was 'taang' from Boston. I know these are labels rather than bands, but the bands on these labels influenced many many bands from this era.
Of the modern (real) punk bands, I would say 'Earth Crisis' have had the biggest influence. They are responsible for a massive straight-edge metal movement in the States.
Originally posted by Black Majesty
Cheap Trick
Queen
The Sweet
Beatles
Black Sabbath
Led Zep
Rolling Stones
Kiss
Where's THE NEW YORK DOLLS??? and ALICE COOPER??? if it wasn't for these, bands like KISS wouldn't have made it.
Thanx to Gene Simmons, who lent his amp to Eddie VH to kickstart thier careers. I'll give half credit on KISS! :D
GhostofJimJess
5 Jul 2002, 00:11
Beat me to it Rusty ... definitely MC5 in there, and The Stooges.
Black Sabbath - have cleared the way for the multitude of contemporary stoner rock bands
Bowie - I like Bowie's 70's stuff, but unfortunately it gave all of that pouncy, haircut, new romantic, pommie crap an icon.
Alice Cooper - Many many acts followed his lead in the 80's, .... and hmmm, a female name, with a glam look. Hey Marilyn Manson, where did you get your idea again ?!
Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
Beat me to it Rusty ... definitely MC5 in there, and The Stooges.
Black Sabbath - have cleared the way for the multitude of contemporary stoner rock bands
Bowie - I like Bowie's 70's stuff, but unfortunately it gave all of that pouncy, haircut, new romantic, pommie crap an icon.
Alice Cooper - Many many acts followed his lead in the 80's, .... and hmmm, a female name, with a glam look. Hey Marilyn Manson, where did you get your idea again ?!
I'm not too cluey on Bowie, but definitely agree with Black Sabbath and Alice Cooper.
If there was a dynamite heavy riff written between 1969 and 1983, chances are Sabbath's Tony Iommi wrote it (with the occasional exception).
Alice Cooper's theatrics, androgyny, and general shock rock themes have been borrowed - nay STOLEN - by everyone from Placebo to Darkthrone.... and that's quite a stretch of genres.
Might also throw in a mention for Manowar. I don't think they've really influenced THAT many bands, but isn't this the sort of thread where people just roll off the name of their favourite band, and expect the reader to take the comments as constructive? :p
Being a bit more specific and turning the topic to guitarists....
Jimi Hendrix - I've never thought that much of his guitar playing, but most of the greats say he was the reason they started to learn guitar, and many have copied or borrowed from him throughout their careers. Ritchie Blackmore was probably the earliest notable fan, Uli Jon Roth was seen by many as an imitator throughout the 70s and 80s, Frank Marino (Mahogany Rush) claimed to have been re-incarnated as Hendrix after suffering head injuries in an accident(!!!) and Yngwie Malmsteen, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Kenny Wayne Shepherd are others who claim him as a primary influence.
Uli Jon Roth, the alleged Hendrix clone, is himself influential to many topline guitarists. Kirk Hammett (Metallica), Yngwie Malmsteen, Scott Ian (Anthrax), Joe Satriani, Eddie Van Halen... they all worship the ground Uli levitates above. Personally, I've never seen that much similarity in what these guys do, to what Uli has done, but they've been quoted as huge fans.
Camt really add much more in terms of acts from decades ago.
But, for better or for worst, Sepultura, particularly by virtue of their "Roots" album, were the Grandfathers of the whole "nu metal" thing.
I reckon Radio Head have also spawned a few wanna-be's.
Jeff Buckley also has a fair bit to answer for also.
Originally posted by Carlos
Camt really add much more in terms of acts from decades ago.
But, for better or for worst, Sepultura, particularly by virtue of their "Roots" album, were the Grandfathers of the whole "nu metal" thing.
Dunno if that's a good thing Chucky. Sepultura were definitely more metal than anything else, but for marketing or whatever reason, bordered on mainstream for the latter part of the mid 90s. I wouldn't say their music changed a great deal, apart from the slowing-down that comes with most metal musicians maturing from their teens into their 20s and 30s... but someone obviously cottoned on to growly vocals and made them more primary school quadrangle than chaotic mosh pit.
The Beatles...simply the most influential band of all time.
pedrothelioness
5 Jul 2002, 12:04
i always thought my nan started to look like alice cooper when she started growing old, alice cooper with grey short hair. he nose became too big and thin for her face..ery strange.
I loved alice cooper when i was a youngin.
danzy_rocks
5 Jul 2002, 13:54
Bob Dylan, U2, Jimi Hendrix, Slipknot, Beatles
Rusty Brookes
5 Jul 2002, 14:27
Alice Cooper was definitely a huge influence on many bands. John Lydon (nee Rotten) auditioned for the Sex Pistols singing I'm Eighteen.
Black Sabbath are finally being seen as the originators that they were.
Another highly influential band I thought of were Kraftwerk. So many rap and electronica bands can be traced back to these four German wierdos who only used keyboards and samples. (Who I do like by the way-so un-rock of me!)
Rock 'n' Roll #1: Willie Dixon.
TheSheik
5 Jul 2002, 20:01
Originally posted by FIGJAM
Rock 'n' Roll #1: Willie Dixon.
Spot on Figgy, Willie Dixon either wrote, played on or produced nearly all of the Blues classics that are now considered the standards. If you want to get an idea of how good he was, get yourself a copy of 'The Chess Box', it's a two CD set that is chock full of great tracks and features a swag of big name artists. This should be compulsory in everyones music collection.
You can even throw in the great Robert Johnson from the Blues era too. His wailing vocals & raw acoustic guitar playing nearly brings tears to the eye. If you look at his 'Complete Recordings' box set you will see a list of tracks that has been covered by everyone from the Stones to Cream, Hindu Love Gods & even the Blues Brothers. An unsung but extremely influential musician who has never really been fully recognised.
Most people seem to credit the Sex Pistols with creating the punk era. Unfortunately this is just not true, that honour actually goes to The Ramones who played an outdoor gig in England in which the audience was made up of a number of young frustrated muso's who would later become household names. The Pistols & The Clash would never have eventuated had the Ramones not played that day. For a good overview of their stuff, get the excellent 'Mania' compilation, 30 cranking two minute songs that roar out of the speakers at you. "Gobba Gobba We Accept You" !!
Whilst Kiss have been attibuted with being the best ones at putting on a stage show, they would never have been worth two knobs of goats poop if it wasn't for Alice Cooper (& to a lesser extent the New York Dolls). Alice was responsible for bringing theatrics to rock concerts and he set the standard for performance art and really has not been beaten at it. Others may have put on more expensive & explosive shows, but none shocked the rock world like Vincent Furnier did.
For a while there was a lot of music that was classed as progressive, and the one act who capitalised on that genre was undoubtedly Pink Floyd. They also made stage shows something of a 'hippie mind blowing experience' but without the hooch. Their use of additional sounds (eg alarm clocks) as used on 'Dark Side Of The Moon' were at the time revolutionary but now seem to pale insignificance as everyone who has recorded since then has used some sort of sound effects.
There were also a couple of notable bands from the sixties who had such disctinct sounds that if anyone has tried to use their techniques they are immediately labelled as mimicking the original. The Beatles changed the face of rock music with their vocals and harmonies, plus in the later years their experimentation with foreign instruments. They were also the first to break the mould and do songs that went for longer than the normal two & a half minutes. The Beach Boys also had dramatically changed the use of vocal harmonies and created the definitive 'Beach Boys' sound that still stands the test of time today. The Rolling Stones put the hard edge into 60's music & made an art form out of the 'lock up your daughters' phobia.
In addition to that, many of the disco & electronic bands of the late 70's and early 80's owe their existence to the great German keyboard group Kraftwerk. Plus Bob Marley ensured that reggae, ska & rocksteady made it into the mainstream. This also gave rise to the now very popular form known as 'dub' which is recognised as a genre in its own right.
NakedDeadGuy
5 Jul 2002, 21:51
From those not already mentioned, I'd like to add Bob Dylan and the Kinks.
carneagles
5 Jul 2002, 22:46
Buddy Holly.
1 Buddy Holly - 3 chord music at its best ( the Beatles were quotyed as saying " if it wasnt for Buddy Holly we would have never made music
2 The Beatles - Enough said !
3 Black Sabbath
4 Iggy Pop
5 KYUSS
6 The Jam ( green day , offfspring , pennywise , Bad Religion )
7 Dylan
8 Big Star ( look it up kids )
9 The Pixies
10 Helmet ( look it up as well kids !!! )
11 Patti Smith ( hhhmmm keep trying Alanis !!! )
Originally posted by bragg
5 KYUSS
Very good get. Probably not a huge genre, but stoner rock basically started here. A few Sabbath-style riffs, but played almost entirely with bass and very little guitar... these guys have started something that was followed on by Fu Manchu, Orange Goblin, Electric Wizard, Dern Rutledge...
In a way it's almost like ultra-heavy grunge in it's simplistic approach, just with a different instrumental approach (ie-leaning to bass more than guitar and vocals).
By the way, nobody has mentioned Chuck Berry yet... or is that supposed to go without saying? :confused:
Originally posted by lioness22
Is that why so much of their music was influenced by the Beach Boys???? :confused:
The Beatles like anyone needs to be influenced by other artists to keep the drive and the hunger to make great music.
But just because the Beach Boys had a little ("so much" was going well over the top Lioness) influence on there music it doesnt make the Beach Boys a more influential band than the Beatles overall.
It cant be questioned that the Beatles are the most influential musicians of all time.
You get what im saying...
TheSheik
6 Jul 2002, 11:37
Originally posted by lioness22
Is that why so much of their music was influenced by the Beach Boys???? :confused:
What a load of crap !!
From AMG :
"Though Brian Wilson's escalating drug use and obsessive desire to trump the Beatles (by recording the perfect LP statement) eventually led to a nervous breakdown after he heard Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"
"In late 1965, the Beatles released Rubber Soul. Amazed at the high song quality and overall cohesiveness of the album, Brian began writing songs"
Originally posted by TheSheik
What a load of crap !!
From AMG :
"Though Brian Wilson's escalating drug use and obsessive desire to trump the Beatles (by recording the perfect LP statement) eventually led to a nervous breakdown after he heard Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"
Actually that's not true. Brian had his first breakdown in 1964, and the one you're referring to occurred due to problems with co-writers Mike Love and Van Dyke Parks, and his band's issues with his 'SMiLE' music. ANY rock historian can tell you that one.
Originally posted by TheSheik
"In late 1965, the Beatles released Rubber Soul. Amazed at the high song quality and overall cohesiveness of the album, Brian began writing songs"
And single-handedly came up with 'Pet Sounds', a landmark album in itself, and the one of very few (if any) single albums that has an entire box set devoted to it.
Oh and 'Pet Sounds' scared the **** out of the Beatles and did inspire them to try and go one better with 'Pepper'. ;)
Originally posted by jod23
The Beatles like anyone needs to be influenced by other artists to keep the drive and the hunger to make great music.
But just because the Beach Boys had a little ("so much" was going well over the top Lioness) influence on there music it doesnt make the Beach Boys a more influential band than the Beatles overall.
It cant be questioned that the Beatles are the most influential musicians of all time.
You get what im saying...
It started at 'Here, There and Everywhere' and continued on pretty much right through till the Beatles fell apart, actually.
And you can't say the Beach Boys WEREN'T influential, there are very few BB albums that aren't produced by at least one of the Beach Boys. Brian composed all his own scores, there was no outside help with that. It's true that he used session musicians for a while, but that wasn't because the boys couldn't play their own instruments it's more that they were out on the road and Brian would HAVE to get his ideas down then and there. And they were Spector's session people too, which says a lot.
Anyways I would call the influence by BOTH bands very much equal. :)
machiavelli
6 Jul 2002, 15:13
Originally posted by lioness22
Is that why so much of their music was influenced by the Beach Boys???? :confused:
SO much? You have got to be joking. Even Brian Wilson doesnt agree with you. Admittedly he does not have much grey matter left.
But he said Pet Sounds did not influence the SOUND of the Beatles music b/c Pepper does not sound like Pet Sounds at all. He said they tapped into the creativity of Pet SOunds to inspire them to go further with challenging existing music norms.
Apart from that there is not much influence. And JOhnson said he was jealous of The Beatles.
Bloodstained Angel
6 Jul 2002, 17:58
Elvis Presley
James Brown
The Beatles
The Velvet Underground
The Band
Neil Young
Kraftwerk
The Jimmy Hendrix Experience
Patty Smith
Jonathon Richmnd and the Modern Lovers
The Orb
ABBA
Nirvana
Sly and the Family Stone
Joy Division / New Order
... and the most influential of them all, as voted by Rock Musicians themselves ...
David Bowie
cheers
Mooster7
6 Jul 2002, 19:42
Originally posted by machiavelli
. He said they tapped into the creativity of Pet SOunds to inspire them to go further with challenging existing music norms.
Sounds like an influence to me. You can hear some Beatles influence in Beach Boys music, and vice versa. Brian Wilson said he wrote 'Pet Sounds' because he wanted to compete with the Beatles and write something worthy. He succeeded IMO.
Paul McCartney has said [paraphrase] that no ones musical vocabulary is complete without Pet Sounds. Speaks volumes. Beatles Producer George Martin has said that Sgt. Peppers was made in answer to the earlier release of 'Pet Sounds.'
Also if you listen to some tracks on 'Smiley Smile' and 'Wild Honey' you can hear arrangements and style obviously lifted later by Freddie Mercury of Queen. In the 60's, the Beach Boys were laying tracks that would be borrowed by almost every 70's soft rock bands.
If you look at the compositional style of the Beach Boys, it is quite clear that most bands subsequent (70's to present) have borrowed liberally from them. This could have been conscious or subconscious. Doesn't matter. You won't necessarily hold that opinion from listening to their more radio heavy surfer tunes. Listen to some of the more obscure stuff that most people don't bother with (I've been guilty) and the enormous contribution the BB's have made to modern music is evident and obviously so.
Thanks Lioness. Peace,
Originally posted by lioness22
It started at 'Here, There and Everywhere' and continued on pretty much right through till the Beatles fell apart, actually.
And you can't say the Beach Boys WEREN'T influential, there are very few BB albums that aren't produced by at least one of the Beach Boys. Brian composed all his own scores, there was no outside help with that. It's true that he used session musicians for a while, but that wasn't because the boys couldn't play their own instruments it's more that they were out on the road and Brian would HAVE to get his ideas down then and there. And they were Spector's session people too, which says a lot.
Anyways I would call the influence by BOTH bands very much equal. :)
Your missing my point. It doesnt matter if the Beatles music was influenced by the Beach Boys, or if the Beach Boys music was influenced by the Beatles. Im sure both bands fed off eachother which led to great albums like Pet Sounds and Sgt Peppers.
But the Beatles are the most influential band of all time...they are still everywhere today, 40 years on. There music will live on forever, that cant be said about the Beach Boys.
Will the Beach Boys still be remembered in 100 years...probably..1000, I dont know. The Beatles will be remembered forever, they changed rocknroll, the changed music, they changed the 60's, they changed the world.
I love the Beach Boys though, they rock! But the Beatles are better, I think we all secretly know that :D
Originally posted by jod23
Your missing my point. It doesnt matter if the Beatles music was influenced by the Beach Boys, or if the Beach Boys music was influenced by the Beatles. Im sure both bands fed off eachother which led to great albums like Pet Sounds and Sgt Peppers.
But the Beatles are the most influential band of all time...they are still everywhere today, 40 years on. There music will live on forever, that cant be said about the Beach Boys.
Will the Beach Boys still be remembered in 100 years...probably..1000, I dont know. The Beatles will be remembered forever, they changed rocknroll, the changed music, they changed the 60's, they changed the world.
I love the Beach Boys though, they rock! But the Beatles are better, I think we all secretly know that :D
Fair point. But in music circles, and actually amongst the general public the Beach Boys ARE starting to be recognised for their awesome contribution to music...........it's a lot greater than you think jod. :)
41 years on and the Beach Boys are still at it jod. The group may be splintered in all directions but the music is still very much out there. :) They aren't just a memory. They recorded music for 35 years, and their very last group song 'Soul Searchin' (1996) is right up there with their best. Brian Wilson's name is said in whispers among a lot of younger musicians, unfortunately his best work won't be released till he departs this world, only then will he get the credit he fully deserves...........:(
It's funny actually, that you say the Beatles will be remembered long after the Beach Boys.........yeah they're so forgotten that their albums are going through their newest releases. :D That the Carl Wilson Walks attract thousands of overseas visitors every year. That Pet Sounds demanded it's own box set. That they're popular, yet their greatest work (IMO) is still yet to be released.
Sit back jod, the Beach Boys aren't quite done yet. :D
In cronological order:
Woody Guthrie
Eddie Cochrane
Buddy Holly
Bob Dylan
Beatles
David Bowie
Crosby Stills and Nash
Neil Young
Sex Pistols
Blondie
Grandmaster Flash
New Order
REM
The Smiths
Nirvana
Radiohead
Mooster7
7 Jul 2002, 14:28
Originally posted by jod23
But the Beatles are the most influential band of all time...they are still everywhere today, 40 years on. There music will live on forever, that cant be said about the Beach Boys.
Will the Beach Boys still be remembered in 100 years...probably..1000, I dont know. The Beatles will be remembered forever, they changed rocknroll, the changed music,
Jod,
There is definitely a perception that the Beatles were more influential than the Beach Boys. Perception and reality aren't always the same thing. It's a matter of who recorded what & when.
It's even irrelvant as to whom the musicians themselves believe their influences are. A guitarist for example laying a double stop off of an F Major Chord shape in A minor is without doubt working off a Chuck Berry influence. It doesn' matter if he thinks he copped the riff from Keith Richards, Ace Frehley, Eric Clapton....or Ted Nugent for that matter.
The Beatles are often credited with introducing alternate instruments, sounds and classical modes or scales to rock music. The fact is, the Beach Boys were doing that when the Beatles were still wanting "to hold your hand" with 1-4-5 chord progressions and 5 tone scales.
The Beatles did make a landmark album in 'Sgt. Peppers' (I prefer the White Album myself), but they were inspired to do so after having listened to Brian Wilson's 'Pet Sounds.' Peppers is often heralded as the first "concept album." Not true in the least. Peppers actually is only loosely connected. The Who recorded a true concept album in 'Tommy, a Rock Opera.' Both Peppers & Tommy owe hommage to Brian Wilson. It doesn't matter if that is the current popular perception or not.
A great many of the pop rock groups in the 70's wrote with chord progressions first used in rock genre by the Beach Boys rather than the Beatles. You can interview ABBA, Fleetwood Mac and a host of others and they may very well vote Lennon and McCartney as the most influential writers of the 20th Century. Doesn't matter. When Mick Fleetwood stopped writing funky Blues tunes and started writing 'Rumors' he was lifting from ground pioneered by the BB's.
I don't know what the world is going to be like in a thousand years. I'm certain that in the year 3002 I'm not going to look or smell very good. ;) The Beatles may very well be the only known recording artists to the people inhabiting the planet at that time. Those folks may not know who the Beach Boys were. They may not know who Ghandi, Hitler and Mother Theresa were either. That doesn't subtract one iota from what each did with their time here.
I'm not trying to subtract from the Beatles myself either. I love the Beatles. However, in the past couple of months or so, I've learned some of the amazing things the BB's have recorded. I can read the copy date on the back of a CD case also. It really turned me around on my perception of the evolution of rock music. A thousand people to three may believe the Beatles are the ones who broke all the ice. Lioness and I believe the BB's were the ones making tracks in the virgin snow. The third person in disagreement with the thousand is apparently - Paul McCartney.
Peace,
PS: Lioness, after having read excerpts from the "long distance relationship thread" I don't believe our love can blossom. :(
:D ;)
From an Australian point of view i'd list:
Masters Apprentices
Billy Thorpe and The Aztecs (Sunbury era)
Lobby Lloyde and The Coloured Balls
Chain
The Saints
where's wally?
Add The Easybeats to that list.......
where's wally?
Husker Du
Fugazi
My Bloody Valentine
GhostofJimJess
7 Jul 2002, 22:43
Speaking of the influence of the Beach Boys, I can't help but thinking of the Beach Boys when I listen to the Foo Fighters, particularly that first album of theirs ... or is it just me
Santos L Helper
7 Jul 2002, 22:50
Originally posted by Stocka
Husker Du
Fugazi
My Bloody Valentine
Whilst these were all great bands, I beg to differ on their actual influence on their music genre's. I believe that Husker Du were the most influential of the three as Ian Mackays first band 'Minor Threat' were much more influential than Fugazi.
I feel that 'Where's The Pope?' were more influential than 'My Bloody Valentine'. :p
TheSheik
8 Jul 2002, 00:57
Originally posted by Wally
Lobby Lloyde and The Coloured Balls
Now there's a band for you !! Might go under the headphones and put them on right now ??
Originally posted by TheSheik
Now there's a band for you !! Might go under the headphones and put them on right now ??
Mate,
Lobby is an Australian legend. Had the chance to see The Balls live a couple of times (late '98 at the Prince Of Wales......Chain were also on the bill.....great night.....and at The Corner early '99) when they reformed for a few gigs.
It's just a shame Lobby's never really got the recognition he's deserved over the years.
where's wally?
Originally posted by Mooster7
Jod,
The Beatles are often credited with introducing alternate instruments, sounds and classical modes or scales to rock music. The fact is, the Beach Boys were doing that when the Beatles were still wanting "to hold your hand" with 1-4-5 chord progressions and 5 tone scales.
The Beatles did make a landmark album in 'Sgt. Peppers' (I prefer the White Album myself), but they were inspired to do so after having listened to Brian Wilson's 'Pet Sounds.' Peppers is often heralded as the first "concept album." Not true in the least. Peppers actually is only loosely connected. The Who recorded a true concept album in 'Tommy, a Rock Opera.' Both Peppers & Tommy owe hommage to Brian Wilson. It doesn't matter if that is the current popular perception or not.
A great many of the pop rock groups in the 70's wrote with chord progressions first used in rock genre by the Beach Boys rather than the Beatles. You can interview ABBA, Fleetwood Mac and a host of others and they may very well vote Lennon and McCartney as the most influential writers of the 20th Century. Doesn't matter. When Mick Fleetwood stopped writing funky Blues tunes and started writing 'Rumors' he was lifting from ground pioneered by the BB's.
I don't know what the world is going to be like in a thousand years. I'm certain that in the year 3002 I'm not going to look or smell very good. ;) The Beatles may very well be the only known recording artists to the people inhabiting the planet at that time. Those folks may not know who the Beach Boys were. They may not know who Ghandi, Hitler and Mother Theresa were either. That doesn't subtract one iota from what each did with their time here.
I'm not trying to subtract from the Beatles myself either. I love the Beatles. However, in the past couple of months or so, I've learned some of the amazing things the BB's have recorded. I can read the copy date on the back of a CD case also. It really turned me around on my perception of the evolution of rock music. A thousand people to three may believe the Beatles are the ones who broke all the ice. Lioness and I believe the BB's were the ones making tracks in the virgin snow. The third person in disagreement with the thousand is apparently - Paul McCartney.
Peace,
PS: Lioness, after having read excerpts from the "long distance relationship thread" I don't believe our love can blossom. :(
:D ;)
As i said before...your missing my point. Even if the Beatles modeled all there music on the Beach Boys (which is completely wrong) it still doesnt change the fact that the Beatles changed the face of music and even the world. They are clearly the most influential band in the history of music. It doesnt matter who influenced them.
On top of them being the greatest and most influential band the world has ever known, they had the two best writers in history and a third who was criminally underused!
Anyway i dont want to turn this into a Beatles v Beach Boys thread because theres no real point...Beatles cast there shadow over everyone. All im saying and i dont think you can disagree is that the Beatles are the most influential musical group there ever was, is or will be.
BLONDIE BLONDIE BLONDIE
Brought woman, sex appeal and fun back into music at a time when music was getting too serious.
Also created some very good music that stands up well today.
Shinboners
8 Jul 2002, 12:04
Originally posted by jod23
They are clearly the most influential band in the history of music. It doesnt matter who influenced them.
Your entire argument seems to be based on repeating this over and over.....the most influential in the history of music? If so, how have the Beatles influenced music such as classical, jazz, soul, blues and country - five fairly significant styles of music and there would be musicians who would have been just as influential in those genres as the Beatles have been in pop/rock. And this doesn't go into other styles of music such as dance, electronica, experiemental, and the styles in Asia, Africa, and South America that come under that rather large banner of "World Music"
On top of them being the greatest and most influential band the world has ever known,
Repeating yourself again. At least try to answer Mooster's points (plenty of which are perfectly valid), of if you're going to argue for the Beatles, check out Rusty Brooke's post in the punk vs Beatles thread to learn how to write an argument using evidence and linking it together to make a well reasoned point.
they had the two best writers in history and a third who was criminally underused!
The two best writers in history? I thought that Mozart could write a pretty decent tune whilst Lennon/McCartney could write some pretty good lyrics, they had their fair share of tripe as well.
But the last question I would like to ask is this. If the Beatles are so influential, then you should be able to hear distinctive traces of their sound on the current pop charts. Now, I don't listen to the top 40 stuff very much, but if someone would like to post the top 10, let's see what the major influences on these songs are.
Originally posted by DEVO
BLONDIE BLONDIE BLONDIE
Brought woman, sex appeal and fun back into music at a time when music was getting too serious.
Also created some very good music that stands up well today.
Deborah Harry and Chrissie Hynde changed the image of women in popular music. They are the first (and the best) women with attitude in music, and paved the way for all types of artists from The Breeders to Madonna.
pedrothelioness
8 Jul 2002, 14:25
Husker Du
Fugazi
My Bloody Valentine
awww...someone after my own heart.
Though i always liked minor threat a little bit better than fugazi, and i havent been totally into any fugazi albums- despite having them all- since repeator.
my bloody valentine, were one of the first english bands i got into- soft as snow....and sometimes....are always on mixed taped compilations for myself.
Originally posted by pedrothelioness
Husker Du
Fugazi
My Bloody Valentine
awww...someone after my own heart.
Though i always liked minor threat a little bit better than fugazi, and i havent been totally into any fugazi albums- despite having them all- since repeator.
my bloody valentine, were one of the first english bands i got into- soft as snow....and sometimes....are always on mixed taped compilations for myself.
I just knew you'd come out with the "after my own heart" comment! ;)
I know you'll also agree with me, in saying that Mogwai have also been fairly influential in recent times (along with a few others in that similar genre).
Still, I do remember the time when you erroneously disagreed with my call on 'Siamese Dream' being the greatest album of all time! :p ;) :D (Just jaggin' ya! :)).
pedrothelioness
9 Jul 2002, 10:38
I dont mind mogwai, i liked the atari team album, but i find them a little bit boring.
I have no liking what so ever with the smashin pumpkins though, if i wanted to hear a cat whine, id go upstairs and listen to the four cats we have. Never liked sm.pumkins either for the people in the band...they never appealed to me at all.
Originally posted by pedrothelioness
Never liked sm.pumkins either for the people in the band...they never appealed to me at all.
C'mon, everyone likes James Iha! ;) The optimistic folk-pop singer who can also dress up like Saturday Night Fever while pulling a few killer guitar solos . . . :D
He was also recently voted #5 on a list of "most popular/friendly" musicians, which was compiled by some fanzine boffin (now there's credibility for you!).
Originally posted by lioness22
Most of the world doesn't think so, and rightly.
What a truckload of crap
Originally posted by lioness22
Proving my point. :rolleyes:
I don't think you understood what I meant :rolleyes:
Originally posted by lioness22
Jod you're just repeating the same old lines, ANYONE can sit here and say ANYONE is 'influential. So there'. Anything to back up such a statement????
The Beatles pioneered "world music" especially Indian music and culture.
The Beatles experimented early with metal guitar sounds (eg Helter Skelter or Revolution)
The Beatles wrote classic ballads that many artists attempted to emulate (eg Yesterday or In My Life)
The Beatles were amongst the first artists to write deeply personal songs (eg The Ballad of John and Yoko or Hey Jude or While My Guitar Gently Weeps)
The Beatles were humerous and able to laugh at themselves(Maxwells Silver Hammer or Why Don't We Do It In The Road)
The Beatles harmonised like nobody before them had ever done (All You Need Is Love, Good Day Sunshine, Magical Mystery Tour)
Plenty of influence in these aspect of the Beatles - and there's plenty more examples.
Originally posted by hotpie
The Beatles pioneered "world music" especially Indian music and culture.
Yes, it was a great gesture of The Beatles to invent "Indian music" for all Indians everywhere to enjoy and play!
Originally posted by Stocka
Yes, it was a great gesture of The Beatles to invent "Indian music" for all Indians everywhere to enjoy and play!
:D :D :D :D
Originally posted by lioness22
You meant it's crap that the rest of the world doesn't think so.
Yet you have nothing to back that up.
I can introduce you to thousands of people who don't think so.
Hence, my point was proven. :D
Great Lioness another bullsh1T post where you bullsh1t on about the Beach Boys, can't you see that more people care for the Beatles?
If you haven't already realised this Lioness but no one gives a flying sh1t about the Beach Boys, so please refrain from trying to ram these hacks down our throats.
Oh I'll stoop to your level :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Danny Chook Fan Club
9 Jul 2002, 18:13
Originally posted by lioness22
Ever heard 'Pet Sounds'???? Could music GET more personal? Or 'In My Room'? Both of which were done many years before the Beatles got 'personal'Putting aside the Grade 3 poetry of 'In My Room':
***
"There's a world where I can go
and tell my secrets to
In my room, in my room
In this world I lock out all my worries
and my fears
In my room, in my room
Do my dreaming and my scheming
Lie awake and pray
Do my crying and my sighing
Laugh at yesterday
Now it's dark and I'm alone
But I won't be afraid
In my room, in my room
In my room, in my room
In my room, in my room"
***
Pet Sounds - 1966
as opposed to:
I'm A Loser - 1964
Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby - 1964
Help! - 1965
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away - 1965
Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) - 1965
Nowhere Man - 1965
In My Life - 1965
"Many years before"? Hmm, interesting.
Originally posted by Stocka
Yes, it was a great gesture of The Beatles to invent "Indian music" for all Indians everywhere to enjoy and play!
They brought World Music to the western world
Many, many years before Paul Simon and Ry Cooder.
Originally posted by lioness22
Ever heard 'Pet Sounds'????
.
Classic album. Beach Boys at their best. That would be the album where they stopped singing about girls cars and surf, and tried to grow up a bit because their rivals were blowing them away with some of the most creative albums of all time?
This album truly illustrates like no other how much influence the Beatles had.
Originally posted by hotpie
Classic album. Beach Boys at their best. That would be the album where they stopped singing about girls cars and surf, and tried to grow up a bit because their rivals were blowing them away with some of the most creative albums of all time?
This album truly illustrates like no other how much influence the Beatles had.
Well said
Bloodstained Angel
9 Jul 2002, 21:06
dear oh dear oh dear :( :rolleyes: :mad:
jump back into a musical thread to see what everyone has to say and gee golly gosh - guess what has happened YET AGAIN ?
hey lioness, I'm getting sick to death of you hijacking every serious discussion about pop and rock music with your continued rantings about the bloody Beach Boys for chrissake already !!!!!
we all know you like the band, but hey guess what ?
nobody else cares ok ?
please stop abusing the music borard and stop turning every thread into a stupid vain-glorius attempt to convert us to the rather dubious pleasures of the Beach Boys.
You might like it - fine, but I don't much care for that sorta stuff and it might interest you to know nobody else here does much either.
PS - Do you actually listen to any music other than the Beach Boys ?
cheers
Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
Do you actually listen to any music other than the Beach Boys ?
Yep I actually really like the Beatles. :D Mostly into 60s stuff - Jan & Dean, The Monkees (HUGE fan), Aretha Franklin, I um like the Bee Gees :eek:, Linda Ronstadt, Four Tops, Doors blah blah blah. :)
Woodson
10 Jul 2002, 00:10
Originally posted by lioness22
Yep I actually really like the Beatles. :D Mostly into 60s stuff - Jan & Dean, The Monkees (HUGE fan), Aretha Franklin, I um like the Bee Gees :eek:, Linda Ronstadt, Four Tops, Doors blah blah blah. :)
And you all know Alice Cooper teamed up with the Bee Gees for the St Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band motion picture with a song called 'Because'.
I love the 60's stuff, the Beach Boys are another of my favs.
Too much stuff today is either a ripp off or lost monkey tunes.
Anyone been to Paris to see Jimmy Morrison's grave??.....I was kinda dissappointed when I finally found it in '99. :( but Chopin made up for it.
lioness
10 Jul 2002, 00:26
Originally posted by Woodson
I love the 60's stuff, the Beach Boys are another of my favs.
Too much stuff today is either a ripp off or lost monkey tunes.
I agree with you, I prefer the originals myself. :)
I'm hoping Savatage and Defender might back me up with this one...
Another case of one artist having a huge influence on a genre (or sub-genre if you like) is Kai Hansen's influence on what is now termed power metal.
Power metal could possibly be described as a mixture of old school melodic metal, progressive rock/metal, classical elements and thrash.
Kai started HELLOWEEN with Piet Sielck in 1979, and (minus Sielck, recruiting four others) recorded their first EP in 1984.
Helloween have had many line-up changes over the last 18 years but they are still a great band, whose three albums (+ EP) from the 1980s influenced a heap of bands plying their trade today. There are just sooooooooooooooo many bands today that sound like 80s Helloween, usually through sounding like Michael Kiske's vocals or Kai Hansen & Michael Weikath's guitar work.
Apart from being influenced by the music of Helloween, many bands have had Kai Hansen help out on their recording with vocals, guitars, production and being an all-round nice guy. This has spanned from Kai's work with Blind Guardian around 1985/86 to helping Piet Sielck's current band Iron Savior with their first few albums in 1996/97.
Kai's current band is Gamma Ray, which he started in 1989 after leaving Helloween.
machiavelli
10 Jul 2002, 00:57
Originally posted by Woodson
And you all know Alice Cooper teamed up with the Bee Gees for the St Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band motion picture with a song called 'Because'.
I love the 60's stuff, the Beach Boys are another of my favs.
Too much stuff today is either a ripp off or lost monkey tunes.
Anyone been to Paris to see Jimmy Morrison's grave??.....I was kinda dissappointed when I finally found it in '99. :( but Chopin made up for it.
Because was inspired by the Beach Boys........
.....actually it wasnt.
It was inspired by Beethoven's "Moonlight Sonata".
Grendel
10 Jul 2002, 03:10
Originally posted by Rusty Brookes
Alice Cooper was definitely a huge influence on many bands. John Lydon (nee Rotten) auditioned for the Sex Pistols singing I'm Eighteen.
Black Sabbath are finally being seen as the originators that they were.
Another highly influential band I thought of were Kraftwerk. So many rap and electronica bands can be traced back to these four German wierdos who only used keyboards and samples. (Who I do like by the way-so un-rock of me!)
Are you the operator of your pocket calculator though!?!... ;)
Frank Zappa, Pink Floyd, Brian Eno, Trevor Horn, Black Flag, Killing Joke, the Byrds (especially the country rock cross-over stage) are all bands, producers whatever I have 'heard' as influences in others works.
I guess it is just the way things work towards other things. Guthrie to Williams to Dylan. Elvis to Holly to the Beatles. Its all the same but its the differences along the way that make it great (I dont care if that doesnt make sense)! ;)
Grendel
10 Jul 2002, 03:16
Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
Sly and the Family Stone
Great get. :D
Santos L Helper
10 Jul 2002, 09:22
Darky,
I feel that we could go back even further and just name Black Sabbath and Tommi Ionni as the biggest influence on the power metal genre.
Originally posted by hotpie
Deborah Harry and Chrissie Hynde changed the image of women in popular music. They are the first (and the best) women with attitude in music, and paved the way for all types of artists from The Breeders to Madonna.
I find Chrissie Hynde to be grossly overrated. A few of her songs are wonderful pieces, but I found most of The Pretenders catalogue to be pretentious, self absorbed and worthless. Siouxsie Sioux's back catalogue is more relevant and influential.
Disagree there.
The Pretender's "Precious" rates alongside Do Re Mi's "Man Overboard" as two of the best man-hating post punk anthems ever written. Very powerful - not that Siouxie wasnt a tough lady either!
Originally posted by Santos L Helper
Darky,
I feel that we could go back even further and just name Black Sabbath and Tommi Ionni as the biggest influence on the power metal genre.
I can't see where you're making the connection, Santos, except if you mean in a "six degrees of separation" type way.. ie Sabbath influenced UFO/Judas Priest, who influenced Iron Maiden, who influenced Helloween/Stratovarius, who influenced.. etc etc
Basically all metal started with Sabbath, probably around the Paranoid or Master of Reality albums. The first (self-titled) album is some real hard rhythm & blues, played with a bit more amplification and power than the original blues men, but the roots are the same.
Some of the best power metal bands these days are Blind Guardian, Stratovarius, EDGUY, Gamma Ray, Hammerfall, Iced Earth, **** there's heaps more, but apart from it being almost a given that the listened to Sabbath and Priest as kids, the correlation between the two types of music is not outwardly obvious, even to the trained ears of so-called experts. :o