Jarred McVeigh

[RUNVS]

I know McVeigh is the player that alot of Swans fans like to blame when things arnt going well but am i the only one who thinks he shows alot of potential. In 2007 he was averaging nearly 14 Disposals per game which isnt that bad and then when i was looking at his match by match statistics and i noticed 1 game in particular, Round 16 vs West Coast where Paul Roos put 3 seperate people on Cousins and McVeigh was the most successful at stopping him. In that game he made 19 Kicks and 26 Desposals as well as scoring a goal. These are statistics that Goodes would be happy with.

People must remember that McVeigh isnt even 23 yet and if you compare his 2007 stats to his 2006 stats you will see a very big improvement across the board. Does anyone else think im afew years McVeigh could be a valued member of our team?

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-sydney-swans--jarrad-mcveigh

[rancidpants13]

I know McVeigh is the player that alot of Swans fans like to blame when things arnt going well but am i the only one who thinks he shows alot of potential. In 2007 he was averaging nearly 14 Disposals per game which isnt that bad and then when i was looking at his match by match statistics and i noticed 1 game in particular, Round 16 vs West Coast where Paul Roos put 3 seperate people on Cousins and McVeigh was the most successful at stopping him. In that game he made 19 Kicks and 26 Desposals as well as scoring a goal. These are statistics that Goodes would be happy with.

People must remember that McVeigh isnt even 23 yet and if you compare his 2007 stats to his 2006 stats you will see a very big improvement across the board. Does anyone else think im afew years McVeigh could be a valued member of our team?

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-sydney-swans--jarrad-mcveigh

fck the stats, it's the peaheart that has bothered me more and more the past two season
yes, he has talent, but it's more often than not obscured by his refusal to go hard at it
that's why he's been mentioned so many times by swans fans on the main board thread of "softest players"
it's seriously disappointing, specially when you consider his dckhead brother is basically a niggly thug who prefers to go hard at the man rather than the ball
if only little brother had just a touch of that same mongrel, we might not be constantly on his case
but he's a big, BIG disappointment, who's had many more chances than several other players at the club who would kill to get the time he's had on the field in the seniors

[Corpuscles]

IMO he is a victim of the teams lack of midfield pace. He was forced to do the tagging on the speedster Judds or Cousins etc and that is obviously not his forte. Hopefully someone can step up into that role as he showed in 2006 he is better suited as crumbing forward.

Matthews is another who cops heaps of criticism but he had to sacrifice his game and run his old body into the ground last year and took on some big midfield names and broke even as a tagger. (Killed Peter Bell)

Kirky would not have been as effective without those two!

[rancidpants13]

IMO he is a victim of the teams lack of midfield pace. He was forced to do the tagging on the speedster Judds or Cousins etc and that is obviously not his forte. Hopefully someone can step up into that role as he showed in 2006 he is better suited as crumbing forward.

Matthews is another who cops heaps of criticism but he had to sacrifice his game and run his old body into the ground last year and took on some big midfield names and broke even as a tagger. (Killed Peter Bell)

Kirky would not have been as effective without those two!

you talk about mcveigh's abailities as a crumbing forward, but he's another of that type in our team who seem to miss more often than not....he had one game in 07 where he kicked 3 goals, but he, schneider, buchanan, bevan and crouch at times, and j bolton have been guilty of terrible misses in front of goals in the past few years, and in mcvague's case that just makes his other flaws more intolerable

[chammond]

People must remember that McVeigh isnt even 23 yet and if you compare his 2007 stats to his 2006 stats you will see a very big improvement across the board. Does anyone else think im afew years McVeigh could be a valued member of our team?


Although he's done some useful run-with work, he's never been convincing as an out-and-out midfielder. The times when he's really stood out to me have always been as a rover in the forward 50. He is amazingly fast off the mark, and also gets boot to ball very quickly. I'm wondering if the reason Schneider was shown the door is because McVeigh is going to get the crumbing forward role for 2008?

[EatBig Australia]

I think he cops a bit because he is a top ten pick and didn't he also set a beep test record at the draft camp?

Hopefully Dempster and Schneider leaving will shake some 'toughness' into him for 2008.

[J-swan]

I think he cops a bit because he is a top ten pick and didn't he also set a beep test record at the draft camp?

Hopefully Dempster and Schneider leaving will shake some 'toughness' into him for 2008.

Toughness and McVeigh - Two words that just don't go together!

[Cheer Squad mbr]

I know McVeigh is the player that alot of Swans fans like to blame when things arnt going well but am i the only one who thinks he shows alot of potential. In 2007 he was averaging nearly 14 Disposals per game which isnt that bad and then when i was looking at his match by match statistics and i noticed 1 game in particular, Round 16 vs West Coast where Paul Roos put 3 seperate people on Cousins and McVeigh was the most successful at stopping him. In that game he made 19 Kicks and 26 Desposals as well as scoring a goal. These are statistics that Goodes would be happy with.

People must remember that McVeigh isnt even 23 yet and if you compare his 2007 stats to his 2006 stats you will see a very big improvement across the board. Does anyone else think im afew years McVeigh could be a valued member of our team?

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-sydney-swans--jarrad-mcveigh (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-sydney-swans--jarrad-mcveigh)

It's about time someone stood up for our most in-house targetted Swan (and scapegoat).
Rather than disrespect, he should be shown encouragement. Otherwise, where's our team spirit?

[Undisputed_King]

I think its envy more than finger pointing.

I do not blame mcveigh for our lukewarm season. My issue is that he gets so many chances to prove himself while other promising players get the cold shoulder.

When you are given so many chances you expect his performances to improve two fold, but so far his developement has been minimal. One good game a season cannot justify selection.

That said I hope he does improve, but something tells me we'll be better off waiting for the cows to come home.

[snappy]

It's about time someone stood up for our most in-house targetted Swan (and scapegoat).
Rather than disrespect, he should be shown encouragement. Otherwise, where's our team spirit?

I got money on him kicking 30 goals, 10 Brownlow votes, all Australian, 2nd in tackles, 4th in the clubs Best and Fairest ,and wait for it 1st in hard ball gets.. Go Jarred!!

[liz]

Although he's done some useful run-with work, he's never been convincing as an out-and-out midfielder. The times when he's really stood out to me have always been as a rover in the forward 50. He is amazingly fast off the mark, and also gets boot to ball very quickly. I'm wondering if the reason Schneider was shown the door is because McVeigh is going to get the crumbing forward role for 2008?

Not sure about the Schneider theory (to my mind he had a lot to offer as a speedy back pocket player as well as a small forward and I'm still bemused and disappointed he won't be in the R&W next season).

But agree with you Cliff on where McVeigh has played his most promising football. He spent a large portion of 2006 in that kind of role and had a pretty decent season all up (which many have forgotten after his lacklustre 2007).

It is somewhat of a shame, however, since he'd be more valuable - IMO - if he could work as a play maker further up the ground. We already have Dicky N playing that kind of mid-sized forward role and while I'd love to see Davis also further up the ground, I doubt he'll ever develop the endurance for it. McVeigh, on the other hand, shouldn't have that problem.

I also think that the mid-sized forward role is an ideal one for some of the newbies to start out in. It looks like an ideal starting role for DOK, and I wonder whether the Vez will also make his initial impact in such a role. Sadly I don't think a team can afford 3 or 4 mid-sized forwards in the same team. Someone has to run further up the ground and actually win the damn ball...

[Hopelesslyaddicted]

Not sure about the Schneider theory (to my mind he had a lot to offer as a speedy back pocket player as well as a small forward and I'm still bemused and disappointed he won't be in the R&W next season).

But agree with you Cliff on where McVeigh has played his most promising football. He spent a large portion of 2006 in that kind of role and had a pretty decent season all up (which many have forgotten after his lacklustre 2007).

It is somewhat of a shame, however, since he'd be more valuable - IMO - if he could work as a play maker further up the ground. We already have Dicky N playing that kind of mid-sized forward role and while I'd love to see Davis also further up the ground, I doubt he'll ever develop the endurance for it. McVeigh, on the other hand, shouldn't have that problem.

I also think that the mid-sized forward role is an ideal one for some of the newbies to start out in. It looks like an ideal starting role for DOK, and I wonder whether the Vez will also make his initial impact in such a role. Sadly I don't think a team can afford 3 or 4 mid-sized forwards in the same team. Someone has to run further up the ground and actually win the damn ball...



McVeigh is a better footballer than I was or ever will be and he must have shown not only talent but also heart, to have made it as far as he has.

Whilst on the subject I have to agree with Liz (again), who continues to impress me as the most consistantly articulate and knowledgable "poster" that I've come across on Big Footy.

I don't always agree with her but I always see the logic in her point of view.

Any one know the Liz story, how does she come to have such a great insight into our club?

[Cheer Squad mbr]

I challenge any McVeigh critic out there who claims to know better than Roosy!

[Undisputed_King]

I challenge any McVeigh critic out there who claims to know better than Roosy!

Humans sometimes make poor judgements and Roosy have made some terrible blunders in the past like the exclusion of Buchanan from the finals, and the selection of an unfit Hall,

Most fans do not have a grudge against Mcveigh the person. By all accounts he seems like a nice fellow but the criticisms of Mcveigh are in the main, rational, football-related, and are ultimately evidenced by his performances.

The majority of swans supporters on this board I believe are logical and independent and when the majority of these supporters shake their heads at the continual selection of Mcveigh when there are better candidates, then it certainly does appear to be another blunder

[bedford]

I know McVeigh is the player that alot of Swans fans like to blame when things arnt going well but am i the only one who thinks he shows alot of potential. In 2007 he was averaging nearly 14 Disposals per game which isnt that bad and then when i was looking at his match by match statistics and i noticed 1 game in particular, Round 16 vs West Coast where Paul Roos put 3 seperate people on Cousins and McVeigh was the most successful at stopping him. In that game he made 19 Kicks and 26 Desposals as well as scoring a goal. These are statistics that Goodes would be happy with.

People must remember that McVeigh isnt even 23 yet and if you compare his 2007 stats to his 2006 stats you will see a very big improvement across the board. Does anyone else think im afew years McVeigh could be a valued member of our team?

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-sydney-swans--jarrad-mcveigh
he is a dud

[TheGong]

Hopefully he is taking a little bit longer to develop into a quality AFL player than some other low draft picks.

His stats are comparable to what Bret Kirk's and his bother's were after four years on an AFL list. Of the 2003 draft he has played the 6th most games. His stats look OK compared to other 2003 draft picks.

Frustrating in that he produced some great touches in his first year. Seems to have become confused on the field - not knowing whether to go for the ball or stay with his man. I watched a couple of this year's games over the Xmas break. He played better than my memories of him in the games - his clangers stick in your mind rather than the good work he does.

[Dunkley]

Does anyone know how long he has left on his contract. We cant trade him because no one will have him, so we will have to wait till his contract runs out before we see the end of this heartless rat

[bomberz08]

top ten draft pick....]
gee am i happy that we got the good brother

he playes a different role 2 his bro but he will take time 2 develop

otherwise he's stats are what u should expect....average......not a top ten draft pick....not with those stats

[liz]

top ten draft pick....]


otherwise he's stats are what u should expect....average......not a top ten draft pick....not with those stats


How does he compare to Kepler Bradley? Or Mark Bolton?:D

[chammond]

I also think that the mid-sized forward role is an ideal one for some of the newbies to start out in. It looks like an ideal starting role for DOK, and I wonder whether the Vez will also make his initial impact in such a role. Sadly I don't think a team can afford 3 or 4 mid-sized forwards in the same team. Someone has to run further up the ground and actually win the damn ball...

Come on Liz, you know I'm too old to remember all these nicknames . . . what's a Vez??

Anyhow, I don't see McVeigh playing a role anything like Davis or O'Keefe . . . definitely only a speedy crumbing forward, maybe like Bartlett? I feel that playing in the midfield he'll always be just a one-trick pony like Mathews . . . he'll get the job done, but he'll always cop the ire of the fans because his mistakes will stand out like beacons. The Swans haven't had a genuine forward-pocket since O'Brien, and I'd love to see McVeigh given a real shot at it.

As for ball-winners . . . I reckon we've got enough of them . . . it's what they do with the ball once they've won it that makes me shudder.

[Big Wheel]

I got money on him kicking 30 goals, 10 Brownlow votes, all Australian, 2nd in tackles, 4th in the clubs Best and Fairest ,and wait for it 1st in hard ball gets.. Go Jarred!!


Ooops You put your bet on the wrong McVeigh.!!

[liz]

Come on Liz, you know I'm too old to remember all these nicknames . . . what's a Vez??



Thought that one would be obvious even to such an oldie as yourself;)

Nothing clever - just couldn't be bothered to type Vezspremi!

[The natural]

Does anyone know how long he has left on his contract. We cant trade him because no one will have him, so we will have to wait till his contract runs out before we see the end of this heartless ratI,ve bagged him as much as anyone on here and yes he does lack intensity,and he is a hack,and he has been perservered with for far too long and swans should get rid of him Blah Blah Blah !!!!!!!!! But a heartless rat is harsh.Fair go,the blokes not Sudam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden.Yeah he will continue to frustrate the sh--it out of Swans supporters until Roos sees the mistake of the club wasting a valuable draft pick on a very good athlete but ordinary AFL player and hopefully start playing one of the young guys like Schmidt or Moore instead of him.For the moment though he is still a Swans listed player who runs out every week in that Red and White gurnsey so yeah get pi ss ed off with him and bag his footy abilty and even call him a squib,but dont attack the bloke personally because when you work it out its not his fault that he is not up to it and Roos and co keep perservering with him in the hope he will cover up their lack of judgement in wasting such a valuable pick.

[snappy]

Ooops You put your bet on the wrong McVeigh.!!

Have i? If hes been reading this thread he could well prove everyone wrong..:rolleyes:

[bedford]

Have i? If hes been reading this thread he could well prove everyone wrong..:rolleyes:
no he wont

[snappy]

no he wont

lol:) Call me crazy, but 2008 is the year of Jarred McVeigh.

[bedford]

lol:) Call me crazy, but 2008 is the year of Jarred McVeigh.
what ever your'e on can i have some

[western swan]

hahah this kinda isnt related but...i was watching the 05 season highlights back when mcveigh had some hair (unshaved) and it wasnt dissimilar to a clown...think crusty the clown?

[J-swan]

lol:) Call me crazy, but 2008 is the year of Jarred McVeigh.

Ok, Your CRAZY! :D

[western swan]

i saw him in round 16 in 07 and he played pretty well...consistant and a key player...or so it seemed...but that could just be down to the fact that he was playing right in front of me all night?
i love front row! :p

[Big Wheel]

i saw him in round 16 in 07 and he played pretty well...consistant and a key player...or so it seemed...but that could just be down to the fact that he was playing right in front of me all night?
i love front row! :p


One game....... send him on his way packing!!

[rancidpants13]

I got money on him kicking 30 goals, 10 Brownlow votes, all Australian, 2nd in tackles, 4th in the clubs Best and Fairest ,and wait for it 1st in hard ball gets.. Go Jarred!!

you talking about career totals???

[bedford]

you talking about career totals???
welcome back

[Dunkley]

When the players do their review on a Monday after the game Jarrod McRat wouldnt have to many highlights on his dvd, would take them allday to go through his lowlights though

[bonzaburgers]

Look maybe jsut maybe we are being to harsh on mcveigh....he is still only about 22 and has plenty of upside about him true he doesn't have that good a disposal and he can make wrong desisians at times but give him a chance i feel this year is make or break.....i would rather see mcveigh in our team than mathews...whilst mathews is the better player he is on the slide whilst mcveigh has alot of talent jsut needs to capitalise on it.

[snappy]

you talking about career totals???

lol, though atm your not far off.:D
But seriously this is his year one way or another, im backing him. One because hes now coping so much shit from punters here i think its funny, and two hes had enough time to develop.
I hope hes not used as a tagger, play him up the ground where he can hit targets and kick a few himself.

[bedford]

Look maybe jsut maybe we are being to harsh on mcveigh....he is still only about 22 and has plenty of upside about him true he doesn't have that good a disposal and he can make wrong desisians at times but give him a chance i feel this year is make or break.....i would rather see mcveigh in our team than mathews...whilst mathews is the better player he is on the slide whilst mcveigh has alot of talent jsut needs to capitalise on it.
he can run ,apart from that he has no talent

[bedford]

lol, though atm your not far off.:D
But seriously this is his year one way or another, im backing him. One because hes now coping so much shit from punters here i think its funny, and two hes had enough time to develop.
I hope hes not used as a tagger, play him up the ground where he can hit targets and kick a few himself.
sorry but he misses targets,i'll say it again he should have been traded before schneider or demster.

[FM0226]

I thought he's one of the more decent field kicks in our side, just atrocious in set shots last year. I'm still hoping that he'll turn good somehow (a repeat of the 2006 form will do me), we'll invested far too much into him to give up on him.

Just don't make him a tagger, and he's half way of being a half-decent player.

[The natural]

sorry but he misses targets,i'll say it again he should have been traded before schneider or demster.Trade him and get what for him ? Hasnt fired a shot since he was drafted so most clubs would baulk at it ,but with all due respect to Schneiders obvious football talent in comparison to McVeighs what he produced in 07 was fairly comparible.For a player of Schneiders extreme talent he was far to inconsistent and he also had his shortcomings when it comes to physical contact.He definately has his supporters among swans on BF but i will defy anyone to seriously say these werent standout deficiencies in his game.Having said that always sad to see a player go that has helped bring his fans the ultimate joy.But he plays for a mob now that most despise so lets get over it.

[Dunkley]

When McRat was drafted he was paired up with Stewie Maxfield as a big brother type arrangement where he could get advice and help if he needed it.He didnt learn much from maxfield about how to be a tough footballer thats for sure. Surely McRat can only improve?

[snappy]

I thought he's one of the more decent field kicks in our side, just atrocious in set shots last year. I'm still hoping that he'll turn good somehow (a repeat of the 2006 form will do me), we'll invested far too much into him to give up on him.

Just don't make him a tagger, and he's half way of being a half-decent player.

My thoughts exactly..
He may not use the ball like Malcheski, but hes alot better than alot of others in our team.
2006 season was a great year for him, i am very hopefull that he has a big 2008..

[bedford]

My thoughts exactly..
He may not use the ball like Malcheski, but hes alot better than alot of others in our team.
2006 season was a great year for him, i am very hopefull that he has a big 2008..
carn't some of you people realise his disposal is disgusting for an AFL player ,let alone a top 10 draft pick,he is a dud with no heart or ability who dropped a crucial chest mark against the black and white rats

[bedford]

Trade him and get what for him ? Hasnt fired a shot since he was drafted so most clubs would baulk at it ,but with all due respect to Schneiders obvious football talent in comparison to McVeighs what he produced in 07 was fairly comparible.For a player of Schneiders extreme talent he was far to inconsistent and he also had his shortcomings when it comes to physical contact.He definately has his supporters among swans on BF but i will defy anyone to seriously say these werent standout deficiencies in his game.Having said that always sad to see a player go that has helped bring his fans the ultimate joy.But he plays for a mob now that most despise so lets get over it.
fair call but schneider would have been better with game time not sitting on the bench while duds like mcveigh are on the ground

[FM0226]

carn't some of you people realise his disposal is disgusting for an AFL player ,let alone a top 10 draft pick,he is a dud with no heart or ability who dropped a crucial chest mark against the black and white rats

His disposal was just about every bit as good (well, as bad) as the rest of forward line we had last year. Let me assure you, I have exhausted much of my limited vocabulary in cursing him every single way possible while watching the matches (especially when he misses a set shot), but I really don't think he's as bad as some of the people here made him out to be.

Our forwards did not play well this year, you will struggle to name one player that have been consistently good through out the season. Hall was injuried and dropped his fair share of marks, Magic had a great year in terms of conversion rate, but obviously struggled with the new rules, he can no longer win he one-on-one marking duels (legally), so we saw him running up the ground a lot more and therefore his goals tends to come in bursts rather than consistently. O'Keefe, for his lofty standards, only had an average year, my guess behind this is that with Hall's injury, he no longer can run up the ground as much as he usual does to set up hard runners like O'Keefe who would 'sneak' into the forward line. Davis is an enigma and he showed every bit of that in 2007. Two contested marks against Campbell Brown, but absolutely unsighted on other days.

As much heart and soul as Jude has, he was close to being useless in the half-forward flank role which he started and stayed at most of the year. He struggled to hold onto easy marks or control the ball off the ground and his final delivery I'll say is worse than the offerings from McVeigh. He did shine in the bursts he has in the trenches in the centre of the park and the only reason that I can imagine why he's not used in his best position was that Roos wants to protect that battered body of his.

Everyone has their scapegoats, and mine is Fosdike. After a stunning display in 2005, I really thought it was the perfect platform for Fosdike to become a star and finally live up to the no.3 pick tag. Because of our rotation system, he gets as much minutes as any starting midfielders. He is still a hard runner that to his credit, gather a lot of uncontested possessions because of his ability to run and receive, but again his final delivery, whether it's long or short, high or low, missed targets more than hitting, especially in the second half of season - he even introduced the 'around-the-body-kick' which was...well most of us will know.

The last piece of puzzle is Buchanan, and to me, the main reason why we stuggled throughout the year. For the past few years, he was a big inside/outside threat with great tendency to win a hard ball/clearance, then is able to deliver cleanly into the forward line (it's no secret that the rest of our clearance team of Jude, Kirk and Ablett just belts the ball forward and hopes for the best when they get a kick on it). He was our best player (before this year) at delivering the inside 50 ball and with him struggling, as did the entire forward line. And it was only due to the brilliant form of Kirk and Malceski (and Bolton in defence) that kept us in the hunt in the first part of the season.

So where does this leave McVeigh? Yes, he had a disappointing season, but as did our entire forward line, and most of the midfield. Let's not forget that he had a very good 2006 where his disposal were clean, got 21 goals in just 10 disposals per game. Let took a quick peek at his stats in 2007 and he kicked 7.6 since round 12 which is not great, but not unacceptable. Because Roos uses a fairly static game plan, he likes to change roles for a few players every year to shake things. After a coming of age year in 2006 where he mainly played as a small forward or forward flank, he was thrown into the midfield with a tagging role, which he clearly did not adapt to. Also keep in mind that in the start of the season, Kirk was relieved of his tagging role (which was probably right, considering his age) and Ablett tagged the best player while McVeigh took on the second best player - hardly the best place to learn a new trade - while Matthews, a limited full time tagger, gets the third/fourth best midfielder.

My conclusion is that McVeigh stank as a full-time tagger, in fact, he stank so much and so bad that residue is still left in most sydney swans' fans' head by round 22 and further highlighted since the whole team stank against Collingwood apart from Goodes. Another thing that I'm trying to convince myself is that our recruitment team(s) have no clue in drating small/mediums, so someone that they picked with a no.5 pick would not be any better than someone they pick with no.52. And that he's a lot more developed that the likes of Willougby whom we just gave up on(no.16) or even Schmidt (though I rate him more), and better than recycled players like Spriggs (who is the extreme case of a determined, hard(ish) player, but can't kick to save his life).

Yes, he's not an understanding footballer that's going win AA level honours anytime soon, and possibly never and a player that just put in a disappointing season. But probably not as bad as the 'trash'-status that he is labelled here as. But I will still pick him over Matthews any day of the week (we can easier do one less tagger in our team).

[bedford]

His disposal was just about every bit as good (well, as bad) as the rest of forward line we had last year. Let me assure you, I have exhausted much of my limited vocabulary in cursing him every single way possible while watching the matches (especially when he misses a set shot), but I really don't think he's as bad as some of the people here made him out to be.

Our forwards did not play well this year, you will struggle to name one player that have been consistently good through out the season. Hall was injuried and dropped his fair share of marks, Magic had a great year in terms of conversion rate, but obviously struggled with the new rules, he can no longer win he one-on-one marking duels (legally), so we saw him running up the ground a lot more and therefore his goals tends to come in bursts rather than consistently. O'Keefe, for his lofty standards, only had an average year, my guess behind this is that with Hall's injury, he no longer can run up the ground as much as he usual does to set up hard runners like O'Keefe who would 'sneak' into the forward line. Davis is an enigma and he showed every bit of that in 2007. Two contested marks against Campbell Brown, but absolutely unsighted on other days.

As much heart and soul as Jude has, he was close to being useless in the half-forward flank role which he started and stayed at most of the year. He struggled to hold onto easy marks or control the ball off the ground and his final delivery I'll say is worse than the offerings from McVeigh. He did shine in the bursts he has in the trenches in the centre of the park and the only reason that I can imagine why he's not used in his best position was that Roos wants to protect that battered body of his.

Everyone has their scapegoats, and mine is Fosdike. After a stunning display in 2005, I really thought it was the perfect platform for Fosdike to become a star and finally live up to the no.3 pick tag. Because of our rotation system, he gets as much minutes as any starting midfielders. He is still a hard runner that to his credit, gather a lot of uncontested possessions because of his ability to run and receive, but again his final delivery, whether it's long or short, high or low, missed targets more than hitting, especially in the second half of season - he even introduced the 'around-the-body-kick' which was...well most of us will know.

The last piece of puzzle is Buchanan, and to me, the main reason why we stuggled throughout the year. For the past few years, he was a big inside/outside threat with great tendency to win a hard ball/clearance, then is able to deliver cleanly into the forward line (it's no secret that the rest of our clearance team of Jude, Kirk and Ablett just belts the ball forward and hopes for the best when they get a kick on it). He was our best player (before this year) at delivering the inside 50 ball and with him struggling, as did the entire forward line. And it was only due to the brilliant form of Kirk and Malceski (and Bolton in defence) that kept us in the hunt in the first part of the season.

So where does this leave McVeigh? Yes, he had a disappointing season, but as did our entire forward line, and most of the midfield. Let's not forget that he had a very good 2006 where his disposal were clean, got 21 goals in just 10 disposals per game. Let took a quick peek at his stats in 2007 and he kicked 7.6 since round 12 which is not great, but not unacceptable. Because Roos uses a fairly static game plan, he likes to change roles for a few players every year to shake things. After a coming of age year in 2006 where he mainly played as a small forward or forward flank, he was thrown into the midfield with a tagging role, which he clearly did not adapt to. Also keep in mind that in the start of the season, Kirk was relieved of his tagging role (which was probably right, considering his age) and Ablett tagged the best player while McVeigh took on the second best player - hardly the best place to learn a new trade - while Matthews, a limited full time tagger, gets the third/fourth best midfielder.

My conclusion is that McVeigh stank as a full-time tagger, in fact, he stank so much and so bad that residue is still left in most sydney swans' fans' head by round 22 and further highlighted since the whole team stank against Collingwood apart from Goodes. Another thing that I'm trying to convince myself is that our recruitment team(s) have no clue in drating small/mediums, so someone that they picked with a no.5 pick would not be any better than someone they pick with no.52. And that he's a lot more developed that the likes of Willougby whom we just gave up on(no.16) or even Schmidt (though I rate him more), and better than recycled players like Spriggs (who is the extreme case of a determined, hard(ish) player, but can't kick to save his life).

Yes, he's not an understanding footballer that's going win AA level honours anytime soon, and possibly never and a player that just put in a disappointing season. But probably not as bad as the 'trash'-status that he is labelled here as. But I will still pick him over Matthews any day of the week (we can easier do one less tagger in our team).
AT LEAST MATTHEWS HAS GOT A HEART

[FM0226]

AT LEAST MATTHEWS HAS GOT A HEART

But not much else. Has a top class set shot though, too bad he never gets a chance to use it. If he had a heart as big as Kirk's, he'll be close to Kirk's playing level. But there's obvious reasons why he's nowhere near Kirk's level of input (or output).

[rancidpants13]

sorry but he misses targets,i'll say it again he should have been traded before schneider or demster.

this is so true
mcvague has been afforded so many more chances than schneider, dempster and several other players over the past 2-3 years
and he has continued to disappoint
the only reason i can think of for him getting such a charmed run for so long is that management are hoping he eventually justifies his Number five draft selection
but apart from anything else, it seems grossly unfair to so many other players busting their guts in the twos to get even a fraction of the on-field time he's had in the seniors

[bedford]

this is so true
mcvague has been afforded so many more chances than schneider, dempster and several other players over the past 2-3 years
and he has continued to disappoint
the only reason i can think of for him getting such a charmed run for so long is that management are hoping he eventually justifies his Number five draft selection
but apart from anything else, it seems grossly unfair to so many other players busting their guts in the twos to get even a fraction of the on-field time he's had in the seniors
summed up perfectly,welcome back

[is2SWaNz]

I got money on him kicking 30 goals, 10 Brownlow votes, all Australian, 2nd in tackles, 4th in the clubs Best and Fairest ,and wait for it 1st in hard ball gets.. Go Jarred!!

If McVeigh keeps this up, he'll surely be on his way snappy. Brilliant post! Not too sure if it was tongue-in-cheek.

McVeigh: So far has kicked 16 goals, ranks 4th for kicks, 2nd in handballs and disposals. :thumbsu:

[SOPH_CROSS]

he has really made us eat our words this year
proud of his little ball head he has seriously buckled down and doing his job very very well

[OperationGetCats]

lol, though atm your not far off.:D
But seriously this is his year one way or another, im backing him. One because hes now coping so much shit from punters here i think its funny, and two hes had enough time to develop.
I hope hes not used as a tagger, play him up the ground where he can hit targets and kick a few himself.
I just read over all the posts on this thread and brilliant work from snappy.

Bedford and Rancid in particular got stuck in to McHack. Bedford going so far as to call him a dud.

McHack is top 5 B&F at the moment. Love his work!

[phonepopeye]

I think Roosy understands better than any league coach what one needs to do to get the best out of their cattle. Some of the above posts do have merit however Roosy has dropped J.McVeigh into a role that best suits his fitness and abilities. Kicking accurately to targets and stamina are the yard sticks these days. J. McVeigh has wonderful disposal and is athletically elite. Like any sporting team, the best sides are the ones that can better cover weaknesses. I think this is why we won the 2005 flag. Go J. McVeigh, you are a beauty and you bring to the team an upside that others before you failed to do.

[Mick Oxlong]

this is so true
mcvague has been afforded so many more chances than schneider, dempster and several other players over the past 2-3 years
and he has continued to disappoint
the only reason i can think of for him getting such a charmed run for so long is that management are hoping he eventually justifies his Number five draft selection
but apart from anything else, it seems grossly unfair to so many other players busting their guts in the twos to get even a fraction of the on-field time he's had in the seniors


I think McVeigh's form speaks for itself. Your love for Dempster, Schneider and Mathews as footballers is unquestionable...but the same cannot be said of your ability to appreciate that we are a better side without them!

[bedford]

I just read over all the posts on this thread and brilliant work from snappy.

Bedford and Rancid in particular got stuck in to McHack. Bedford going so far as to call him a dud.

McHack is top 5 B&F at the moment. Love his work!
And he deserved what he got,he was an insiped scared athelite,but now he has become a very good player,congratulations to him and roosy.
He maybe was reading BF,well done to McHack

[SouthSwans]

Bedford and Rancid in particular got stuck in to McHack. Bedford going so far as to call him a dud.Boy I'm happy I stayed out of here :p!

[bedford]

Boy I'm happy I stayed out of here :p!
Funny the last post on this thread was Jan.27,you are lucky SS

[SouthSwans]

Funny the last post on this thread was Jan.27,you are lucky SS
Ahhhh, would've still been having my little taste of cricket back then.

[gotheswans]

very much an under rated play for the swans jarred mcveigh..he might get a few for brownlow

[ssfc0203]

Lmao, made me eat my words big time. Well, he's repaying our faith in him.

[gotheswans]

Lmao, made me eat my words big time. Well, he's repaying our faith in him.haha sorry bout that...

[bedford]

Back to his worst today,has had a great season but now might enjoy a weeks rest or has he been getting ahead of himself

[grimlock]

More hack than stud today, but he had plenty of friends in that regard. (Hello Bevo!)

[bedford]

More hack than stud today, but he had plenty of friends in that regard. (Hello Bevo!)
Sorry i didn't call him by name
McHack

[SOPH_CROSS]

oh give him a break
just because he had a quiet game doesnt mean he was crap
OMG listen 2 me stick up for him LEAVE HIM ALONE he needs a break so does all the team remember last time we played the pies (not finals) he kicked three goals against the pies so he will be great again :)

YAY FOR JARRED

[Hooley McBoob]

Lol Bedford, I knew you would be onto McStud quick smart.

His first average game for a long time, give the Hack a break!

[bedford]

Lol Bedford, I knew you would be onto McStud quick smart.

His first average game for a long time, give the Hack a break!
Hooley read my post,i said he had had a great season but back to his worst TODAY.
And to Soph i hope you wont be supporting the Pies in secret,we don't need double agents on here like popeye

[SOPH_CROSS]

Hooley read my post,i said he had had a great season but back to his worst TODAY.
And to Soph i hope you wont be supporting the Pies in secret,we don't need double agents on here like popeye

ekkk maybe just a teeny tiny bit *cough* just Heath Shaw & Marty Clarke *cough*

I cant help loving the pies *runs away before she's chased after with a bat*

[bedford]

ekkk maybe just a teeny tiny bit *cough* just Heath Shaw & Marty Clarke *cough*

I cant help loving the pies *runs away before she's chased after with a bat*
Marty Clarke,could he end up looking like the little chubby no.13 from you know where

[SOPH_CROSS]

Marty Clarke,could he end up looking like the little chubby no.13 from you know where
Now dont get me started Marty is awesome and is super cute with his thick irish accent and all but he aint Snides and u know Snides aint chubby

Would seriously love Marty at the swans though

[Hooley McBoob]

Hooley read my post,i said he had had a great season but back to his worst TODAY.


Just teasing, settle petal :p

[bedford]

Just teasing, settle petal :p
Sorry Hooley,just remember he will always be mchack

[Hooley McBoob]

Oh I know he will always be McHack, I'm totally with you there. Mc Stud is a hot name though.

[grimlock]

Aw, such a lovely story about McStud and his older brother McAngry.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23970364-5012432,00.html

[SOPH_CROSS]

Awwww McHack telling adam what 2 do thats so cute

[natlovestheswans]

Lmao, what a cute article!

I love both the McVeighs so much, but mainly our McVeigh.