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Dagless
4 Jan 2008, 06:49
Copied from the Herald Sun...


ANGRY Indian cricket board officials last night demanded action be taken against umpire Steve Bucknor after a series of poor decisions in the second Test at the SCG.
Indian cricket board vice-president Rajiv Shukla took the unprecedented step of ordering team management to lodge an official complaint with match referee Mike Procter.
West Indian Bucknor, 61, was responsible on day one for failing to give Andrew Symonds out caught behind on 30, a decision even the batsman later admitted was wrong.
The Queenslander capitalised on the error by storming to a match-turning 162 not out in Australia's imposing first innings of 463.
India had begun to turn the tide by stumps on day two last night after master batsman V. V. S. Laxman plundered his third ton in as many SCG Tests.
It will resume today on 3-216, but still faces a major fight to stop Australia from claiming a record-equalling 16th-straight Test win.
As the tourists began their fightback, Mumbai-based Shukla said the performance of Bucknor, the game's most experienced umpire with 120 Tests to his credit, was simply not good enough.
"We have asked our team management to lodge a protest to the ICC match referee against the wrong umpiring decisions made by Steve Bucknor," Shukla said.
"The wrong decisions made by Bucknor have been commented upon by all cricketers and analysts alike.
"I am sure the International Cricket Council will be monitoring the matter in Dubai and take appropriate actions."
Symonds had also been fortunate to not have been given out on 48 when he looked to have been stumped.
Bucknor, and ICC chief executive Malcolm Speed, in Sydney yesterday, refused to comment when approached by the Herald Sun.
But ICC playing committee chairman Sunil Gavaskar said all umpiring matters would be discussed at a May meeting.

Bucknor was in the spotlight again yesterday when he failed to refer a stumping decision to third umpire Bruce Oxenford when Symonds was on 148.
Television replays indicated Symonds was out as his heel was raised and not behind the crease.

Bucknor's decision to adjudge Brett Lee lbw (59) to off-spinner Harbhajan Singh was also controversial, with replays indicating the ball probably would have missed off-stump.

While the BCCI wants action taken against Bucknor, his English counterpart, Mark Benson, has also been responsible for two terrible calls.
Australian captain Ricky Ponting received both the good and the bad on day one.
Ponting was given a reprieve in 17 when Benson missed his tickle down leg-side into the gloves of wicketkeeper M. S. Dhoni.

But he couldn't believe his luck soon after the umpire failed to see his thick inside edge on to his pads, and he was adjudged lbw to long-time nemesis Harbhajan.

While Indian officials contemplated their next move, Australia didn't do itself any favours in the field.
Adam Gilchrist experienced arguably the worst day of his career, dropping three catches, including Laxman on 45 and 77.

He also missed a regulation chance off Rahul Dravid when the struggling opener was on 18.
Fast bowler Brett Lee last night backed the record-breaking Gilchrist to rebound from an uncharacteristically sloppy day in the field.
"That happens. Batsmen play bad shots, bowlers bowl no-balls, sometimes keepers don't always take the catches," Lee said.

"But rather than reflect on the negatives, you have to look at the positives that Adam Gilchrist brings to the team.
"I am sure he will be forgetting about what happened and just come back tomorrow morning and take some speccies."
Australia's frustration was compounded when Mitchell Johnson had Dravid caught off a no-ball on 15.

Dagless
4 Jan 2008, 06:52
NOTE - Also simply sounds like a lot of bitching... DESPITE bad decisions, good teams can manage to come out on top. India, have a chance, prove to us that you deserve to win the match (or at least draw)

Thewlis Dish
4 Jan 2008, 06:59
They have been shocking decisions though, not just a couple of minor mistakes. Benson also missed a huge inside edge when Yuvraj caught Johnson at bat pad off Kumble's bowling. And you can say what you like about overcoming adversity/bad decisions etc, but the fact remains Symonds should have 132 runs less than he got. That's an enormous set back.

The umpiring hasn't even been at grade cricket level in this test, and action should be taken. It's about time policies were changed and Taufel is allowed to umpire these sorts of tests - if you're going to vote him umpire of the year four times in a row, then surely you're conceding that he is professionally fair and impartial.

Dagless
4 Jan 2008, 07:06
They have been shocking decisions though, not just a couple of minor mistakes. Benson also missed a huge inside edge when Yuvraj caught Johnson at bat pad off Kumble's bowling. And you can say what you like about overcoming adversity/bad decisions etc, but the fact remains Symonds should have 132 runs less than he got. That's an enormous set back.

The umpiring hasn't even been at grade cricket level in this test, and action should be taken. It's about time policies were changed and Taufel is allowed to umpire these sorts of tests - if you're going to vote him umpire of the year four times in a row, then surely you're conceding that he is professionally fair and impartial.
Yeah I agree, but you can't decide a whole persons career on one horrible series...

I agree that the test match would have been very different, but India have an opportunity to prove themselves, i would like them to seize it instead of bitching about decisions...

Taufel = gun btw :thumbsu:

NOTE - I'm a Windies fan so its not like I am sticking up for him because his decisions went the Aussies way

bomberz08
4 Jan 2008, 07:11
i think he made a few wrong decisions 1. the symonds caught behind and 2. the symonds stumping which he didnt even ask the 3rd umpire and it looked very much out

i am an australian fan but i hate it when australia dominate because it gets boring to watch.....and with bad umpiring that makes it worse:mad:

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2008-the year of the clarkes:thumbsu:

DIG
4 Jan 2008, 08:16
Bucknor's one of the worst umpires in cricket. He used to be excellent but in recent years has just lost it and makes far too many obvious errors.

Poor form by the Indians to complain during the test - can't expect any favours now!

FOOOOTY
4 Jan 2008, 08:21
Kinda whingy for the Indian cricket board to complain, though i do beleive Bucknor has passed it, and should no longer be an umpire at the highest level of the game. So if it get's rid of him, im all for it.

Windas_Magic
4 Jan 2008, 09:10
i think he made a few wrong decisions 1. the symonds caught behind and 2. the symonds stumping which he didnt even ask the 3rd umpire and it looked very much out

i am an australian fan but i hate it when australia dominate because it gets boring to watch.....and with bad umpiring that makes it worse:mad:
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What are you on about? The stumping was reffered and although it did look out, the third umpire wasnt 100% sure so he payed him not out. Plus, humans make mistakes and Bucknor has just had a bad test.

goalpie
4 Jan 2008, 09:14
Are they going to complain about Laxman not getting out LBW/ :rolleyes:

Send them to Baxters where they belong.

spanna050
4 Jan 2008, 09:19
Gee, lucky there has never been any dodgy decisions favouring the home team on the sub-continent then. :rolleyes:

Phil McCreviss
4 Jan 2008, 09:22
It would probably add more weight to the argument if the ACB had something to say about the umpiring. If India goes at this alone they will look like whingers (although I think they have good reason to vent)

Cousin Jed
4 Jan 2008, 09:27
I'm sure they will just make a generous, "give us the next 3 World Cups and we will drop it" offer.

Tapee
4 Jan 2008, 09:29
What are you on about? The stumping was reffered and although it did look out, the third umpire wasnt 100% sure so he payed him not out. Plus, humans make mistakes and Bucknor has just had a bad test.
He is referring to the stumping shout early in the second day when Symonds was on 148, his heel was raised with the ball of his foot on the line and rocking it back into the crease, it was a very close appeal but Bucknor didn't refer it.

101.5 Harbhajan Singh to Symonds, no run, down leg, Dhoni appeals for a stumping but Umpire Bucknor, at square leg, didn't even think of claling for the third umpire, but replays show that it could be out - though it would be a close one, he just appeared to have some part of his foot grounded behind the line

campbell
4 Jan 2008, 09:34
He is referring to the stumping shout early in the second day when Symonds was on 148, his heel was raised with the ball of his foot on the line and rocking it back into the crease, it was a very close appeal but Bucknor didn't refer it.

except, buknor was in a perfect ground level position to actually see it, the television vision was not at the same angle.

Tapee
4 Jan 2008, 09:36
except, buknor was in a perfect ground level position to actually see it, the television vision was not at the same angle.
It was a question of millimetres. Bucknor could not have known for certain if it was out or not, he should have referred it.

goodie23
4 Jan 2008, 09:37
He is referring to the stumping shout early in the second day when Symonds was on 148, his heel was raised with the ball of his foot on the line and rocking it back into the crease, it was a very close appeal but Bucknor didn't refer it.
I regard it as a good thing when an umpire backs themself, as it's all too easy to become reliant on the 3rd umpire. Too many clear decisions are referred because the umpire's scared of making a mistake, even though they know the outcome.

Bucknor must have felt sure it was not out, which is why he would've chosen not to refer it. To bring self-doubt in is poison to any umpire.

Mistakes happen, in both directions. India's got the shorter straw thus far this test, but it could very easily even out by the end. Lodging a formal complaint while the match is still in progress is very poor form.

campbell
4 Jan 2008, 09:54
too much reference to 3rd umpires. No need if umpire is sure.

Nowdays we get replay after replay, but its not the same, nor should it be.
Different angles etc.

Cooldude
4 Jan 2008, 10:28
While I've always been a big fan of Bucknor, his standards have dropped in recent times. Mark Benson on the other hand has always been a muppet and always will be

Furn
4 Jan 2008, 10:43
too much reference to 3rd umpires. No need if umpire is sure.

Nowdays we get replay after replay, but its not the same, nor should it be.
Different angles etc.

How could he be sure it was not out when it was out ?

likka
4 Jan 2008, 10:57
Fair enough too... mistakes like that should not be made at this level.

Bucknor is umpiring like senility has well and truly set in.

flamethrower
4 Jan 2008, 16:51
Fair enough too... mistakes should not be made at this level.
Bucknor is umpiring like senility has well and truly set in.

Correct. Every batsman should make a century and not play 1 false shot, and every bolwer should bowl 6 perfect balls every over.

As for fielders who misfield or drop a catch...off with their heads. :rolleyes:

likka
4 Jan 2008, 17:20
Having to resort to editing my post in order to make a smartarse remark... we have a sharp one here folks. :thumbsu:

The Symonds error on day one should never be made at this level... cannot recall a worse mistake by an umpire I've witnessed in any form of cricket.

apollo_creed
4 Jan 2008, 18:23
They have been shocking decisions though, not just a couple of minor mistakes. Benson also missed a huge inside edge when Yuvraj caught Johnson at bat pad off Kumble's bowling. And you can say what you like about overcoming adversity/bad decisions etc, but the fact remains Symonds should have 132 runs less than he got. That's an enormous set back.

The umpiring hasn't even been at grade cricket level in this test, and action should be taken. It's about time policies were changed and Taufel is allowed to umpire these sorts of tests - if you're going to vote him umpire of the year four times in a row, then surely you're conceding that he is professionally fair and impartial.
The same Taufel who gave Lara out once when he missed the ball by 3-5 inches.

(and no, that is not a joke)

bigbrev
4 Jan 2008, 21:28
Having to resort to editing my post in order to make a smartarse remark... we have a sharp one here folks. :thumbsu:

The Symonds error on day one should never be made at this level... cannot recall a worse mistake by an umpire I've witnessed in any form of cricket.
Only second to the leg glance ponting played into his pads....Get over it!!

Cooldude
4 Jan 2008, 23:41
Having to resort to editing my post in order to make a smartarse remark... we have a sharp one here folks. :thumbsu:

The Symonds error on day one should never be made at this level... cannot recall a worse mistake by an umpire I've witnessed in any form of cricket.

I've seen some worse ones. Ponting got given out on 96 on debut was quite the shocking lbw. There was one I remembered from Tendulkar in an ODI where he went to cover drive a ball, edged it onto his pad and got given out lbw even though he nicked it and that the ball hit his pad outside off

While bad decisions happen because it's a part of the game, we'd like to see as little mistakes made as possible. But the fact is decisions even up eventually. India might complain about the decisions against them in the 1st innings but the fact is they also had a few going their way when they were batting. It proves that eventually good and bad decisions even out, so complaining about it doesn't really help matters too much other than putting an umpire outta business, which a national cricket board shouldn't try to do

arzach
5 Jan 2008, 08:18
Having to resort to editing my post in order to make a smartarse remark... we have a sharp one here folks. :thumbsu:

The Symonds error on day one should never be made at this level... cannot recall a worse mistake by an umpire I've witnessed in any form of cricket.

Just started watching cricket this year, have you?

That is an absolutely laughable comment. Cricket's been played for over 100 years, there's been plenty of shocking decisions in the past that rival and easily surpass the Symonds one. News flash, umpires are fallible and will occasionally make mistakes. Usually, people just get on with it.

You've clearly never watched a team play on the subcontinent with non-neutral umpires...

Just to back up my assertions, have a quick gander at these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V9xnMvgO0A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZJ42vzb384

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MfrmdQEAxk&feature=related

And my favorite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOPpvkaxm0k