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Big Wheel
14 Jan 2008, 15:33
There has been a whisper going around, that Sydney is helping Ben Cousin's with his rehab and that he will be with the swans in '09'.
Has anyone else heard this??
All I'll say is welcome Ben..!!!
There has been a whisper going around, that Sydney is helping Ben Cousin's with his rehab and that he will be with the swans in '09'.
Has anyone else heard this??
All I'll say is welcome Ben..!!!
It will never happen. Though it would be interesting to see if even the Swans culture is strong enough to put Ben Cousins back on the straight and narrow.
Sanecow
14 Jan 2008, 15:43
Like to see it. Won't happen.
DeadlyAkkuret
14 Jan 2008, 15:46
I wish people would just talk normally instead of whispering all the time. No wonder so many rumours get blown out of proportion!
All I would say is B### S### and F### O##.
He's not worth the effort or the trouble. The big smoke is not exactly a perfect place for people with drug problems to sort themselves out either.
We have invested heavily in the last few years in small/mediums so we need to make these investments work, so I wouldn't waste a spot in the senior team for an ageing player like Cousins (or Travis Johnstone).
SS_Fury
14 Jan 2008, 15:48
whisper whisper....you guys need younger recruits, not older ones...cuz is short term value, and that only depends if your mob would be succesful in getting him off the gear. you succeeded with plugger and hall, but they had temper issues, not drug issues.
Big Wheel
14 Jan 2008, 15:55
All I would say is B### S### and F### O##.
He's not worth the effort or the trouble. The big smoke is not exactly a perfect place for people with drug problems to sort themselves out either.
We have invested heavily in the last few years in small/mediums so we need to make these investments work, so I wouldn't waste a spot in the senior team for an ageing player like Cousins (or Travis Johnstone).
How old is cousins? 28 29? so the same age as hall, and how many years do you think hall has got left in him?
So going off the last couple of post, we wouldn't want him because he has an addiction. Would you recruit a gambler??
SS_Fury
14 Jan 2008, 15:58
cuz is 30 in 09
natlovestheswans
14 Jan 2008, 16:11
Why is this a 'strong rumour'? What is strong about it?
Sounds like a joke to me.
Malceski09
14 Jan 2008, 16:17
whisper whisper....you guys need younger recruits, not older ones...cuz is short term value, and that only depends if your mob would be succesful in getting him off the gear. you succeeded with plugger and hall, but they had temper issues, not drug issues.
I agree with this poster. I don't normally agree with the enemy but this post is spot on!
We need much younger recruits not Ben Cousins, if he is recruited to the club, I'll seriously consider not renewing my membership. :eek:
I repeat, we need younger recruits not a drugged up, has been!!! I don't care how good he has been in the past, he'll never be that good again in my personal opinion.
I hope it's only a rumour and nothing more. :mad:
Malceski09
14 Jan 2008, 16:19
Why is this a 'strong rumour'? What is strong about it?
Sounds like a joke to me.
And why are we helping him with his rehab? (If the story is true but think it's bullshit) Cousins should pay for his rehab alone, not his next Football club. :confused:
natlovestheswans
14 Jan 2008, 16:23
How old is cousins? 28 29? so the same age as hall, and how many years do you think hall has got left in him?
So going off the last couple of post, we wouldn't want him because he has an addiction. Would you recruit a gambler??
Cousins is 29, so he's a year younger than Hall. Hall is contracted till the end of 09 and he has pretty much said that he won't go on after that, he doesn't want to be playing on after he's past it. Obviously Cousins could play a few more years but why would we bother? Realistically (even this is a bit unrealistic) this year is our last shot at the premiership for a few years. So in 09 why would we bother with a recovering (or not) drug addict in years that we need to be playing younger guys who can build a team to win a premiership in a few years time.
How old is cousins? 28 29? so the same age as hall, and how many years do you think hall has got left in him?
So going off the last couple of post, we wouldn't want him because he has an addiction. Would you recruit a gambler??
Counsins will be 31 in 2009 (born 30 June 1978), and you will be doing great if you can get 2, 3 years out of him. By 2009, you would also hope that the likes of Versprimi, Meredith and O'Keefe will be ready for senior football, throw in the likes of Moore, Jack, Bird etc and I really don't see why we need to waste a spot for Cousins (especially since most of the better midfielders we have right now would be hitting that 30 mark by then). I will consider us very lucky if we can get another 3 years of injury-free, productive years from Hall.
And no, I will not recruit a player whose gambling habit is bad enough to warrant a stint in rehab.
bedford
14 Jan 2008, 18:03
Cousins is 29, so he's a year younger than Hall. Hall is contracted till the end of 09 and he has pretty much said that he won't go on after that, he doesn't want to be playing on after he's past it. Obviously Cousins could play a few more years but why would we bother? Realistically (even this is a bit unrealistic) this year is our last shot at the premiership for a few years. So in 09 why would we bother with a recovering (or not) drug addict in years that we need to be playing younger guys who can build a team to win a premiership in a few years time.
well said nat.
There has been a whisper going around, that Sydney is helping Ben Cousin's with his rehab and that he will be with the swans in '09'.
Has anyone else heard this??
All I'll say is welcome Ben..!!!
Sorce?
Someone said it, Sydney has alot better and more drugs than Perth does..
So simply, no.. All the best mate but not here.
.Shotties.
14 Jan 2008, 18:22
Someone said it, Sydney has alot better and more drugs than Perth does..
I love this city.:thumbsu:
How old is cousins? 28 29? so the same age as hall, and how many years do you think hall has got left in him?
So going off the last couple of post, we wouldn't want him because he has an addiction. Would you recruit a gambler??
We already have. Kieren Jack has been known to chuck $5 dollars on the outcome of an AFL match :D.
western swan
14 Jan 2008, 19:30
ben is a dick...met him a couple of times and hes not so cool
i think he would do more bad for the club than good...and besides i read that roosy denied any interest in him, which i was VERY glad for!
swan song 2
14 Jan 2008, 20:45
There is absolutely NO CHANCE of Cousins EVER playing at Sydney let alone anyone within the club even speaking to him.
Save your time and forget this stupid post!!!!
is2SWaNz
15 Jan 2008, 10:25
Haha, this is a joke. We'd have to really stretch our "no ********s" culture to the very limit to let Cousins in anyway. He's ageing and time to invest on younger and cleaner players.
If Cousins has chosen to do some rehab in Sydney, I have absolutely no problem with the Swans helping him out. They understand something about elite sportsmen, have a well respected welfare team, and can possibly provide him with a small part of the support structure a recovering addict undoubtedly needs.
I'd be amazed if they were helping him out financially with his rehab, and I'd be equally surprised if they'd made even a tentative link to him playing with the Swans next season. For a start, he has some way to go before the AFL will consider letting him back in. Furthermore, even if he is ready in a year, the complications around recruiting mean that no club will committ much knowing they are no guarantee to secure his services.
Is he right for the club, playing wise? Great player, but the age profile of the list suggests not. On the other hand, if everything goes well for the Swans this season - Hall stays fit and returns to his 2005/6 form, Goodes has another blinder, the rest do their bit and the Swan win a premiership, I'd have no problem in theory with them rolling the dice on a back-to-back with the addition of one of the best midfielders of our generation.
But there's a long long long way to go yet.
Big Wheel
15 Jan 2008, 10:58
Well put Liz.
Addiction is a hard one to beat!!
bloods01
15 Jan 2008, 11:06
There's always talk of disgruntled big names coming to the Swans. But you never know. Personally I would say no to him coming. But it's not my decision.
mattf83
15 Jan 2008, 11:32
Counsins will be 31 in 2009 (born 30 June 1978), and you will be doing great if you can get 2, 3 years out of him. By 2009, you would also hope that the likes of Versprimi, Meredith and O'Keefe will be ready for senior football, throw in the likes of Moore, Jack, Bird etc and I really don't see why we need to waste a spot for Cousins (especially since most of the better midfielders we have right now would be hitting that 30 mark by then). I will consider us very lucky if we can get another 3 years of injury-free, productive years from Hall.
And no, I will not recruit a player whose gambling habit is bad enough to warrant a stint in rehab.
All are either crap or unproven
I would trade any of them for 2-3 years from Cousins.
Malceski09
15 Jan 2008, 13:23
All are either crap or unproven
I would trade any of them for 2-3 years from Cousins.
You'd be the only one, because I wouldn't trade for Cousins in a million years. :eek:
mattf83
15 Jan 2008, 14:54
You'd be the only one, because I wouldn't trade for Cousins in a million years. :eek:
The guy is an out and out champion
Swans havent recruited a top tier player since Hall & Goodes (luckyish pickup considered he was taken so high).
Its about time we got some star power on the field instead of these so called blue collar hacks (ablett, matthews, crouch, Fosdike)
Who wouldnt want a flashy midfielder who can single handedly turn a game.
If we finished near the bottom and were recuruiting future stars with draft picks we wouldnt need cousins, but if we continue to top up our list with average players then we would certainly have to look at him.
I love this city.:thumbsu:
as a perth boy but born in sydney the only thing better in perth than sydney is the weather and beaches. sydneys got more of a buzz for people young like myself.
Malceski09
15 Jan 2008, 15:22
The guy is an out and out champion
Swans havent recruited a top tier player since Hall & Goodes (luckyish pickup considered he was taken so high).
Its about time we got some star power on the field instead of these so called blue collar hacks (ablett, matthews, crouch, Fosdike)
Who wouldnt want a flashy midfielder who can single handedly turn a game.
If we finished near the bottom and were recuruiting future stars with draft picks we wouldnt need cousins, but if we continue to top up our list with average players then we would certainly have to look at him.
Cousins might be a champion on the field, but off the field is where he struggles. I rate him as a Footballer but as a person, I don't rate him at all.
The Eagles did the right thing by getting rid of him, he was a cancer at their club. And he'll only cause trouble at our club if we recruited him. Is it really worth the risk? We need younger players, not older recruits.
If we need to recruit a young gun, try recruiting someone like Jordan Lewis from Hawthorn as an example rather than a has been.
Sanecow
15 Jan 2008, 16:11
a cancer at their club.
*cough*Kerr*cough*
mattf83
16 Jan 2008, 08:06
Cousins might be a champion on the field, but off the field is where he struggles. I rate him as a Footballer but as a person, I don't rate him at all.
The Eagles did the right thing by getting rid of him, he was a cancer at their club. And he'll only cause trouble at our club if we recruited him. Is it really worth the risk? We need younger players, not older recruits.
If we need to recruit a young gun, try recruiting someone like Jordan Lewis from Hawthorn as an example rather than a has been.
As long as he turns up on the weekend and gets 30 touches who the f##ck cares?
Sorry Ben you cant play because i think your a bad person?????
Come on.........We need some mongrel at the Club
Malceski09
16 Jan 2008, 11:19
As long as he turns up on the weekend and gets 30 touches who the f##ck cares?
Sorry Ben you cant play because i think your a bad person?????
Come on.........We need some mongrel at the Club
Are you a closeted West Coast head in the sand supporter by any chance? :confused:
mattf83
16 Jan 2008, 11:29
Are you a closeted West Coast head in the sand supporter by any chance? :confused:
No just a Swans fan getting a little sick of our supporters Goody Goody attitude.
Have you read some of the posts on this board??
Wayne Carey didn't exactly lit Adelaide on fire when he made the move there, just because Lockett worked for us, doesn't mean it'll always work out. Hall was much younger when he made the move and players like Williams, Roos, Schwass etc were never going to be as problematic as Cousins.
Again, I'll rather give chances to our younger players that we spend heavy investments on (draft picks and development) rather than take a punt on a fading star with personal problems.
Malceski09
16 Jan 2008, 11:43
No just a Swans fan getting a little sick of our supporters Goody Goody attitude.
Have you read some of the posts on this board??
And did you read some of the posts regarding his age, which will be 31? :confused:
mattf83
16 Jan 2008, 11:50
Wayne Carey didn't exactly lit Adelaide on fire when he made the move there, just because Lockett worked for us, doesn't mean it'll always work out. Hall was much younger when he made the move and players like Williams, Roos, Schwass etc were never going to be as problematic as Cousins.
Again, I'll rather give chances to our younger players that we spend heavy investments on (draft picks and development) rather than take a punt on a fading star with personal problems.
I totally agree, but we need to finish low enough to get some decent picks. We dont have any excellent talent on our list.
But if the recruitment department continues with their top up policy (mattner, playfair) then Cousins would be a great buy.
Its a tough situation because if we lose games we get draft picks and can rebuild. However due to the fickle nature of our supporters it will hurt financially.
I think we have to bite the bullet stop topping up, our premiership window is closed. If we can rebuild through next years draft, we may have a chance of getting another one with goodes, o'keefe, malceski, kennelly, c bolton.
If we top up again, believing the window is still open, then Cousins has to be looked at as an option.
Sanecow
16 Jan 2008, 21:47
No just a Swans fan getting a little sick of our supporters Goody Goody attitude.
Swans fans do like to adopt Roos' holier-than-thou attitude which is odd considering some of the past indiscretions of the current list and even more odd when considering indiscretions of past players. Cousins would fit right in.
little village
16 Jan 2008, 22:57
we'll find our own cousins.
what a great player he was/is/could be ......... bad luck he loves the lifestyle and it don't fit in with how sport is run now.
anyone ever thought about how many others he may have help enter that world.
there's no way he'll be allowed to play again.
.Shotties.
17 Jan 2008, 00:50
as a perth boy but born in sydney the only thing better in perth than sydney is the weather and beaches. sydneys got more of a buzz for people young like myself.
Oooh, I dunno, the northern and Shire beaches are very nice. Maroubras ugly as hell, but good waves.
Big Wheel
17 Jan 2008, 11:23
we'll find our own cousins.
what a great player he was/is/could be ......... bad luck he loves the lifestyle and it don't fit in with how sport is run now.
anyone ever thought about how many others he may have help enter that world.
there's no way he'll be allowed to play again.
Or with him being caught how many kids will he save. With the AFL putting processes in place to properly educate them.
chrismcgrath
18 Jan 2008, 20:04
while my bum hole is pointing to the ground ben will play again. and for a top up player he must be looked at although i don't think he will be
hammo_cheersquad
25 Jan 2008, 20:05
rumor
that's all it is
however
if it was true (though i highly doubt it to be)
i would welcome him on board
but with incredibly strict drug use/substance abuse rules outlines in his contract
and at his first breach, immediately sack him from the club
however, may not be worth the hastle but if he is 100% fully away from banned substances, although i dont like him much as a person, i would welcome his playing skills on board as long as he is fit and fully abilitated.
dezzy94
26 Jan 2008, 04:18
He is not be worth the hassle......to old and we shouldn't waste our time on someone who will most likely to go back on the drugs again
He is not be worth the hassle......to old and we shouldn't waste our time on someone who will most likely to go back on the drugs again
Spot on, one of the things that the swans enjoy right now is that they are usually out of the media spotlight and thus, allowing them to concentrate better on football.
If Cousins arrive, it would become an absolute media circus. It's really not worth the effort. Maybe it is if he was 24,25 and can give us 5 years of service and have a strong leadership group to keep him in place, but yeah, no thanks.
As a club, over the last 10 years we have come a long way (expecially the last 5 years). This (to an outsider) seems to have come from a more disciplined approach from all facets of the club.
Fot that reason alone, I can't see Ben Cousins playing for us next year.
Don't get me wrong he can play and would add to our side out immensely, but he just doesn't fit into where the club currently is and where it wants to go.
DST
:D
bedford
27 Jan 2008, 22:54
whst a crap thread this is.
I'll tear up my membership if that druggie comes anywhere near our club.
rancidpants13
29 Jan 2008, 19:30
whst a crap thread this is.
better than reading our website though...
bedford
29 Jan 2008, 20:07
better than reading our website though...
what website
Big Wheel
4 Feb 2008, 12:27
what website
Bedford, get with it champ.
Also, as you stated what a crap tread. You still took time reading it!!
Bedford, get with it champ.
Also, as you stated what a crap tread. You still took time reading it!!
it took someone like you to start it up again
Big Wheel
5 Feb 2008, 08:59
it took someone like you to start it up again
What ever buddy.
How about I ask another question then cob.
Has anybody read the book ' shake down the thunder'???
Are you happy with that question bedford...? I'm only doing it for you.!
What ever buddy.
How about I ask another question then cob.
Has anybody read the book ' shake down the thunder'???
Are you happy with that question bedford...? I'm only doing it for you.!
doing what?
Skake down the thunder", was that one Of Jimmy Main's books.
Big Wheel
7 Feb 2008, 09:51
Skake down the thunder", was that one Of Jimmy Main's books.
Yes you are correct, Not a bad read, I like that fact that it has the thoughts of the players who moved up to Sydney. As well as how the keep south's south group tried to play a big part in keeping them down here in Melb.
Every Swan supporter should read this.!!!
KENNO20
11 Feb 2008, 11:14
There has been a whisper going around, that Sydney is helping Ben Cousin's with his rehab and that he will be with the swans in '09'.
Has anyone else heard this??
All I'll say is welcome Ben..!!!
Yeh there is that may rumours going around about cousins who cares
swantastic
11 Feb 2008, 12:17
All I would say is B### S### and F### O##.
He's not worth the effort or the trouble. The big smoke is not exactly a perfect place for people with drug problems to sort themselves out either.
We have invested heavily in the last few years in small/mediums so we need to make these investments work, so I wouldn't waste a spot in the senior team for an ageing player like Cousins (or Travis Johnstone).:thumbsu:Spot on.:D
.Shotties.
12 Feb 2008, 23:37
I'll tear up my membership if that druggie comes anywhere near our club.
Better tear up your membership if drugs are an issue for you.
Hands up everyone on this board who seriously thinks that young men earning 100k or more a year stay away from drugs completely?
I honestly couldn't give a toss if they rack, pop or inhale, as long as they keep it to themselves and are fit for duty, whatever else they do is up to them.
Yes you are correct, Not a bad read, I like that fact that it has the thoughts of the players who moved up to Sydney. As well as how the keep south's south group tried to play a big part in keeping them down here in Melb.
Every Swan supporter should read this.!!!
Actually I said "Jimmy Main" rather tongue in cheek. Jim is full of inaccuracies including missing the youngest player ever to play for South Melbourne in 1970, Robert Hay, who was 16 at the time and I believe is one of the youngest to ever play VFL - in his first edition of The Football Encyclopedia of VFL Players.
I was onto the "blower" to his answering service immediately I opened the book at home. Never got a reply. I have known Rob for 40 years and I have never known any of his family or mates to call him "Bob" as Jimmy called him in a later edition, and indeed he was never called Bob at the club.
You might have guessed, I put my hard earned into the Keep South at South group.
chelsworthgale
16 Feb 2008, 19:53
After visiting Sydney for the first time in January... the amount of drugs floating around that place, especially in Kings Cross...
Cousins will be a no go for every club!
I think people are very unkind to Cuz. He is a very good judge of character and by moving to Sydney has teamed up with the very intelligent Anthony Mundine who should have plenty of contacts in the right place.
Personally, I am waiting for him to find God.
I think people are very unkind to Cuz. He is a very good judge of character and by moving to Sydney has teamed up with the very intelligent Anthony Mundine who should have plenty of contacts in the right place.
Personally, I am waiting for him to find God.
Hahaha, thank you, that brought a smile to my face, the smartest and funniest post of the year! :thumbsu: