View Full Version : one player steps out of line - whole team is punished.
Deep Purple
21 Jan 2008, 12:40
About 2 - 3 weeks ago all dockers players received a text message on a Saturday night from Freo Coaching staff that there was a 5.00 am coaching session next morning at Port Beach as punishment for a the WIZ stepping out of line. This was a separate incident to when the WIZ was caught shouting in Northbridge.
I commend the new coaching regime for this action. This is the type of discipline where the whole group suffers for one persons mistake was made famous by the French Foreign Legion and is exactly what we need.
Vive la Dockers!
pistol17
21 Jan 2008, 13:00
About 2 - 3 weeks ago all dockers players received a text message on a Saturday night from Freo Coaching staff that there was a 5.00 am coaching session next morning at Port Beach as punishment for a the WIZ stepping out of line. This was a separate incident to when the WIZ was caught shouting in Northbridge.
I commend the new coaching regime for this action. This is the type of discipline where the whole group suffers for one persons mistake was made famous by the French Foreign Legion and is exactly what we need.
Vive la Dockers!
Yea i commend the coaching staff as well. Very good approach IMO, the 'clean' players will soon let the other guys know how they feel about their behaviour.
DockerNJL
21 Jan 2008, 13:06
Yea i commend the coaching staff as well. Very good approach IMO, the 'clean' players will soon let the other guys know how they feel about their behaviour.
Oh ye if i had to get up at 5am for someone elses F up i would surley let him know what i thought. Nice work. :thumbsu:
About 2 - 3 weeks ago all dockers players received a text message on a Saturday night from Freo Coaching staff that there was a 5.00 am coaching session next morning at Port Beach as punishment for a the WIZ stepping out of line. This was a separate incident to when the WIZ was caught shouting in Northbridge.
I commend the new coaching regime for this action. This is the type of discipline where the whole group suffers for one persons mistake was made famous by the French Foreign Legion and is exactly what we need.
Vive la Dockers!
Source that it was a Wiz screw up?
Deep Purple
21 Jan 2008, 14:13
I don't know what WIZ got up to but the source is one of the Dockers new recruits. I think it would be unfair to name him. Source is 100%
GentlemanJeff
21 Jan 2008, 14:25
I think its great to see the club taking a "military" appraoch to player discipline. Good work Harvey.
I dont think we should blame Wiz here. It could have been any player that was busted. I think its great that the whole team is punished as a group though.
Did Peter Bell attend an early morning beach session in Geraldton?
Deep Purple
21 Jan 2008, 14:37
Peter would have liked to attend but it clashed with a meeting he had later in the day in regard to the Sea Crest project in Geraldton.
FreoAzz
21 Jan 2008, 15:40
I think its great to see the club taking a "military" appraoch to player discipline. Good work Harvey.
I dont think we should blame Wiz here. It could have been any player that was busted. I think its great that the whole team is punished as a group though.
Did Peter Bell attend an early morning beach session in Geraldton?
You really love laying the boot in don't you? Maybe start another topic about it?
GentlemanJeff
21 Jan 2008, 16:19
You really love laying the boot in don't you? Maybe start another topic about it?
It was actually an attempt at humour - i.e. the thought of Belly punishing himself at a 5am beach session on his lonesome.
anchor man
21 Jan 2008, 16:23
I wonder if it had anything to do with a taxi incident after the races.I had heard the same thing.
Good for the club I reckon if all these misdemeanors are picked up on.
GentlemanJeff
21 Jan 2008, 17:19
For me this thread just confirms the fact that Mark Harvey is ticking all the right boxes in terms of player discipline.
Roundhouse
21 Jan 2008, 17:39
I don't know what WIZ got up to but the source is one of the Dockers new recruits. I think it would be unfair to name him. Source is 100%
Why would it be unfair to name your source?
If he wasn't sworn to secrecy then it is no big deal.
If he was sworn to secrecy then you should name and shame the guy for not being able to keep his yap shut about team matters.
freo grover
21 Jan 2008, 18:11
Why would it be unfair to name your source?
If he wasn't sworn to secrecy then it is no big deal.
If he was sworn to secrecy then you should name and shame the guy for not being able to keep his yap shut about team matters.
Probably because he named Farmer as the one who stuffed up
Rabbitoh
21 Jan 2008, 19:22
Hail Hail King Harvey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chook2734
21 Jan 2008, 19:30
I think this is great - the punishment needs to come from within the group and the players need to realise their actions impact a hell of a lot more people than just themselves.
It does however raise a big question (yes, another one and this is likely to earn the roth of GJ) about Farmer's attitude if the OP is right. As great a player as he has been, is he really up to AFL football anymore? The example of Steve Johnson this week only reinforces that few leopards truly change their spots. Even after a dream season (after his 6 week suspension anyway) he can't stop his stupidity from taking hold. Unfortunatley I think the Wiz may be the same. :(
It was actually an attempt at humour - i.e. the thought of Belly punishing himself at a 5am beach session on his lonesome.
its like getting reading homework at school, theres no evidence.
"peter, did you do the 5am session?"
"yep"
he's got it all worked out. all the game time and none of bad stuff.
estibador
21 Jan 2008, 20:31
Why would it be unfair to name your source?
Naming your source is the best way of making sure they never tell you anything again.
I like this story if it's true. The threat of being responsible for the whole team being punished should do wonders for developing the self discipline of the squad.
We haven't seen if he can actually coach yet but I love Harvey's style so far.
Cameron_K
21 Jan 2008, 20:38
Anyone who would ever consider naming the source of private information given is a tool in the first place.
The news is encouraging, hopefully things are starting to change mentally down Freo way.
estibador
21 Jan 2008, 20:42
Anyone who would ever consider naming the source of private information given is a tool in the first place.
Spot on.
I especially liked Roundhouse's logic of punishing people who let info slip by broadcasting it to the world and naming and shaming them. That's current affairs show type behaviour
Roundhouse
21 Jan 2008, 21:11
Spot on.
I especially liked Roundhouse's logic of punishing people who let info slip by broadcasting it to the world and naming and shaming them. That's current affairs show type behaviour
And broadcasting private conversations on public forums?
estibador
21 Jan 2008, 21:27
And broadcasting private conversations on public forums?
If you're discreet and don't reveal names or sources then it doesn't hurt anybody.
I probably wouldn't have mentioned Farmer's name personally, but that's just me.
I can't get mad at the Wiz for little things anymore (but then I didn't have to go running at 5am on a Sunday morining). I've just accepted that he's a flawed genius and I hope we can get as much as possible out of him before he retires.
Keyser Soze
21 Jan 2008, 21:49
Deep Purple = Rhys Palmer
Hence his source wasn't named:)
Just think if Woosh did this last year training at 5.00am Sundays would have been a permanent fixture for us.
On topic, has anyone considered that it may have been for a breach of team rules at training rather than an off field thing.
Roundhouse
21 Jan 2008, 21:54
If you're discreet and don't reveal names or sources then it doesn't hurt anybody.
I probably wouldn't have mentioned Farmer's name personally, but that's just me.
I can't get mad at the Wiz for little things anymore (but then I didn't have go running at 5am). I've just accepted that he's a flawed genius and I hope we can get as much as possible out of him before he retires.
I don't agree.
Personally I'd be dissappointed if something I'd said in private ended up on a public forum whether I was attached to it or not.
Posting rumours from un-named sources is poor form every day of the week and people should be called on it.
It doesn't matter whether it is a harmful rumour or even if it's true. If you're worried about naming a source because they will be annoyed, it's probably a good indication that they never intended for the info to be aired publicly in the first place.
Shadow Man
21 Jan 2008, 22:06
All for one, one for all!
No one individual can be greater than the team!
No I in TEAM!
nesski47
22 Jan 2008, 12:29
No I in TEAM!
There is an "m" and an "e" though. ;)
pistol17
22 Jan 2008, 12:40
There is an "m" and an "e" though. ;)
Well spotted.
Matthew Knights doing some good work already.
Brishawk
22 Jan 2008, 13:19
Clarkson took a similar stance to player indescretions (mostly related to training more so than off-field behaviour) in his first year or two at Hawthorn and it worked for us. Of course, he also sacked all the players that were causing most of the trouble which obviously did not hurt either . . .
Belnakor
22 Jan 2008, 14:46
Worsfold did the same when Cousins and Sampi didn't show up for a training session in 2005 It didn't work :D
I don't agree.
Personally I'd be dissappointed if something I'd said in private ended up on a public forum whether I was attached to it or not.
Posting rumours from un-named sources is poor form every day of the week and people should be called on it.
It doesn't matter whether it is a harmful rumour or even if it's true. If you're worried about naming a source because they will be annoyed, it's probably a good indication that they never intended for the info to be aired publicly in the first place.
Looks like we're back to talking about what they print in the West then...
anchor man
23 Jan 2008, 09:24
Lach must say that I love you pic here.What an absolute LEGEND the TI was.
Lach must say that I love you pic here.What an absolute LEGEND the TI was.
Nice isn't it?
I've got one of the Gero mark that I haven't used in a while too (might put it up soon)...it's always good to see an Old East with a knee in the back of the head :)
West Coast 06
23 Jan 2008, 11:32
Clarkson took a similar stance to player indescretions (mostly related to training more so than off-field behaviour) in his first year or two at Hawthorn and it worked for us. Of course, he also sacked all the players that were causing most of the trouble which obviously did not hurt either . . .
Ummm, yeah, it worked a treat.:o
God knows how many players that injunction would be protecting if he hadn't come down hard hey?;)
Belnakor
23 Jan 2008, 12:04
Ummm, yeah, it worked a treat.:o
God knows how many players that injunction would be protecting if he hadn't come down hard hey?;)
those in glass houses mate
West Coast 06
23 Jan 2008, 12:55
those in glass houses mate
:D I just thought it was amusing that he thought it had worked so well for his club is all.
September_Glory
23 Jan 2008, 17:17
Like everyone said before me, it's good to see Harvey being the disciplinarian that Connelly wasnt.
Also, I thought Farmer was on his last chance? That whole press conference last year and all....
estibador
23 Jan 2008, 17:45
Also, I thought Farmer was on his last chance?
Maybe we've given him the same last chance that Kerr has had 5 times over the last few years?
GentlemanJeff
23 Jan 2008, 17:53
Maybe we've given him the same last chance that Kerr has had 5 times over the last few years?
From what I have heard the latest "indiscretion" that Jeffrey commited was very minor indeed. I dont think his "last chance" relates to things like being 10min late for the start of a training session.
Having said that, it is very important that Harvey comes down like a tonne of bricks on the players for even small breaches. Harvey needs to treat the playing squad like a military regiment this season - none of the "softly softly" shite that was got from coach cuddles.
Reveler
23 Jan 2008, 18:13
From what I have heard the latest "indiscretion" that Jeffrey commited was very minor indeed. I dont think his "last chance" relates to things like being 10min late for the start of a training session.
Having said that, it is very important that Harvey comes down like a tonne of bricks on the players for even small breaches. Harvey needs to treat the playing squad like a military regiment this season - none of the "softly softly" shite that was got from coach cuddles.
agree, give these fella's some mental toughness. If they can't stand the heat, get out of the fire and give someone else a go.
FootyEater
23 Jan 2008, 18:17
any players who stuff up should suffer on the training track, and because it is one for all and all for one, every other player should suffer too, its a good thing harvs is doing. hopefully it will lead to more discipline on the field too as well as off the field
fat wombat
23 Jan 2008, 19:20
Harvey needs to treat the playing squad like a military regiment this season
Sure let's get some Rambo or GI Jane action happening here! Then again police academy could work! Which one can play the role of Eugene Tackleberry? Sandilands already has his lil heart set on playing High Tower.
Reveler
23 Jan 2008, 19:25
Which one can play the role of Eugene Tackleberry?
Tarrant could, have you seen his guns? :D
Well if this is true, I am 110% behind Mark Harvey. It's about time we had a tough coach at Freo who cracks down on ill discipline. Keep up the good work Harvs.