Please Dont Let Melbourne Become A 'Backwater' Like Adelaide

[maccas_no1]

VICTORIAN Premier John Brumby has warned Melburnians they risk living in a "backwater" like Adelaide if Victoria is not allowed to push ahead with a plan to deepen a channel in Port Phillip Bay.

Mr Brumby said today the public should understand how vital the $1 billion dredging project was.

"This is very important to Melbourne, it's very important to Victoria," he said.

"If you want Melbourne to be a backwater, if you want Melbourne eventually to be an Adelaide - as someone described it the other day - well, don't do this project, and Melbourne will just die a slow death."

His comments came after the head of shipping company ANL said the controversial $1 billion dredging plan should not include the mouth of the Yarra River.

ANL chief executive Chris Lines told The Age newspaper that toxic sediment in the Yarra should not be dredged, and called on the Victorian Government to extend Webb Dock, just east of the river mouth.

Mr Brumby dismissed the call as simplistic, and said the existing dredging plan was the right one.



Dont worry I cant see that ever happening

[dyertribe]

There's no doubt Adelaide has regressed as a whole since the vibrance of the pink safari-suited Don Dunstan era, no doubt at all, but still, Australia's derogatory view of Adelaide and the state as a whole is way overblown.

Still an enjoyable, highly liveable little city for its size, regardless of the fact you need to get a petition signed by the Premier, Governor, Lleyton Hewitt, Mark Ricciuto, Jack Cahill, KG & Cornesy, Bob Francis, Anne Wills, Graeme Goodings, Jonathan LaPaglia, Frenzel Rhomb and two-thirds of the populations of Firle, Noarlunga Downs, Elizabeth Vale and Stirling in order to build anything larger than a brick barbeque.

[Markthirtytwo]

I really hope that the dredging does stuff up their precious waterways.
When I lived there the Yarra was even a joke to the locals.
So tall buildings improve the environment, ha what a joke.
Melbourne is nothing but gridlock city.

[Jars458]

Adelaide is a backwater compared to Melbourne if we were realistic. However its our backwater and its a great place to live so who really cares.

Melbourne is backwater compared to Tokyo or maybe even Sydney. Everything is relative.

Agree with Dyetribe about the C grade celebrity culture in this town. Why certain people's opinions appear to carry weight is beyond me.

[noddy]

Adelaide is a backwater compared to Melbourne if we were realistic. However its our backwater and its a great place to live so who really cares.

Melbourne is backwater compared to Tokyo or maybe even Sydney. Everything is relative.

Agree with Dyetribe about the C grade celebrity culture in this town. Why certain people's opinions appear to carry weight is beyond me.


I agree with both you & him but media people in all states especially the big name radio jocks have far too much influence on public life & our bloody politicians seem to bend over backwood to accommodate them.

But i still find it easier to drive around Melbourne than Adelaide.

[Mad Dog]

Whenever you travel away from Adelaide - you notice how far behind the times we are - and the first question you ask on returning is "Where is everyone??"

I was born here - I like it here - but there's no question the gap is widening between us and the rest of Australia. We used to vie for 3rd spot with Perth and Brisbane behind Melbourne and Sydney......but we are well and truly entrenched in 5th spot these days.

We build one way freeways, spend 200mil on an underpass to move the traffic quicker to the next pedestrian crossing lights, allow the public transport system to decay, build half a tram service, take 10 years to build a hospital............all the time pouring taxpayers money into Bike races, car races, freak festivals, jungle music festivals etc etc.

Now I've got nothing against investing in bringing Adelaide to the world's attention and attracting tourist dollars to help small business - but it would be nice if we could find a balance between catering for and tailoring this city for visitors who come here for events..........and us poor saps that have to live here 365 days a year.

IMO Media Mike has become the international traveller's whore........and needs to focus more on developing this place for those that live here.

Backwater is a bit harsh.........but it's not that pretty either

[Leaping Lindner]

I agree with both you & him but media people in all states especially the big name radio jocks have far too much influence on public life & our bloody politicians seem to bend over backwood to accommodate them.

But i still find it easier to drive around Melbourne than Adelaide.

:eek: Are you insane????:p I've lived here 13 years and still hate driving here. It's total madness.

[Leaping Lindner]

VICTORIAN Premier John Brumby has warned Melburnians they risk living in a "backwater" like Adelaide if Victoria is not allowed to push ahead with a plan to deepen a channel in Port Phillip Bay.

Mr Brumby said today the public should understand how vital the $1 billion dredging project was.

"This is very important to Melbourne, it's very important to Victoria," he said.

"If you want Melbourne to be a backwater, if you want Melbourne eventually to be an Adelaide - as someone described it the other day - well, don't do this project, and Melbourne will just die a slow death."

His comments came after the head of shipping company ANL said the controversial $1 billion dredging plan should not include the mouth of the Yarra River.

ANL chief executive Chris Lines told The Age newspaper that toxic sediment in the Yarra should not be dredged, and called on the Victorian Government to extend Webb Dock, just east of the river mouth.

Mr Brumby dismissed the call as simplistic, and said the existing dredging plan was the right one.



Dont worry I cant see that ever happening

Have they got the power put on in Sunbury yet??:p

[Campbell's Chunky]

Whenever you travel away from Adelaide - you notice how far behind the times we are - and the first question you ask on returning is "Where is everyone??"

I was born here - I like it here - but there's no question the gap is widening between us and the rest of Australia. We used to vie for 3rd spot with Perth and Brisbane behind Melbourne and Sydney......but we are well and truly entrenched in 5th spot these days.

We build one way freeways, spend 200mil on an underpass to move the traffic quicker to the next pedestrian crossing lights, allow the public transport system to decay, build half a tram service, take 10 years to build a hospital............all the time pouring taxpayers money into Bike races, car races, freak festivals, jungle music festivals etc etc.

Now I've got nothing against investing in bringing Adelaide to the world's attention and attracting tourist dollars to help small business - but it would be nice if we could find a balance between catering for and tailoring this city for visitors who come here for events..........and us poor saps that have to live here 365 days a year.

IMO Media Mike has become the international traveller's whore........and needs to focus more on developing this place for those that live here.

Backwater is a bit harsh.........but it's not that pretty either
Dare I say it, but you can add this to the list:

http://www.adelaideindex.com/airport/air12t.jpg

What an airport. Packed as always with people coming into this great st8.

[Markthirtytwo]

I agree with both you & him but media people in all states especially the big name radio jocks have far too much influence on public life & our bloody politicians seem to bend over backwood to accommodate them.

But i still find it easier to drive around Melbourne than Adelaide.

I think you confused Ballarat as Melbourne Noddy? :eek:
Haven't driven in peak hour traffic?

[Markthirtytwo]

Whenever you travel away from Adelaide - you notice how far behind the times we are - and the first question you ask on returning is "Where is everyone??"

I was born here - I like it here - but there's no question the gap is widening between us and the rest of Australia. We used to vie for 3rd spot with Perth and Brisbane behind Melbourne and Sydney......but we are well and truly entrenched in 5th spot these days.

We build one way freeways, spend 200mil on an underpass to move the traffic quicker to the next pedestrian crossing lights, allow the public transport system to decay, build half a tram service, take 10 years to build a hospital............all the time pouring taxpayers money into Bike races, car races, freak festivals, jungle music festivals etc etc.

Now I've got nothing against investing in bringing Adelaide to the world's attention and attracting tourist dollars to help small business - but it would be nice if we could find a balance between catering for and tailoring this city for visitors who come here for events..........and us poor saps that have to live here 365 days a year.

IMO Media Mike has become the international traveller's whore........and needs to focus more on developing this place for those that live here.

Backwater is a bit harsh.........but it's not that pretty either

I take your point, however as stated on the old tied AAMI thread, previous governments have been hamstrung because of the state bank fiasco.

However we should now be spending more on infrastructure, like electrification of the railway.

And I'm also getting tied of Media Mike (George W. on Valium) now saying one thing about spending of infrastructure but not on big ticket items.

Underpasses don't cut it with me Mike. :mad:

[cammo84]

Mike Rann has done SFA for this state. It's almost as if he's thinking "maybe if I'm hard on the bikies it will take the attention off the fact that I do nothing else"

[Markthirtytwo]

Mike Rann has done SFA for this state. It's almost as if he's thinking "maybe if I'm hard on the bikies it will take the attention off the fact that I do nothing else"

And they're still there. :mad:

[KingsCrow]

Adelaide is a backwater. No doubting that. We don't have the population to ever be a big an powerful city.


Not to mention the {edit} this state produces. Its just tiring that such little things have to become full blown debates. That we have become such scabs about money that we hate to see a few million dollars spent on something (Trams, Grand Stand etc). And that because nothing has happened in this state for so long that hwen change does arrive it stirs emotion (ala Port Adelaide, Glenelg).

We have so much potential, but we are just throwing it all down the drain to accomodate the conservative and old time views of the downies of this state.

[maccas_no1]

Have they got the power put on in Sunbury yet??:p


Have power here;) Sunbury has more history than the whole state of SA put together very first Ashes Test was played here enough said:thumbsu:

[maccas_no1]

Dare I say it, but you can add this to the list:

http://www.adelaideindex.com/airport/air12t.jpg

What an airport. Packed as always with people coming into this great st8.

Yes its in this area here where you begin your five mile hike to the aircraft front door:rolleyes::thumbsd:

[Southerntakeover]

Is this anything other than a troll?

[KingsCrow]

Have power here;) Sunbury has more history than the whole state of SA put together very first Ashes Test was played here enough said:thumbsu:


Where the **** is Sunbury?

[KingsCrow]

Yes its in this area here where you begin your five mile hike to the aircraft front door:rolleyes::thumbsd:


Been to many a airport in my short life. Adelaides is the best. Easy, spacious & is just good.

[asdfasd]

Maybe 'backwater' does sound a bit harsh, but I tend to agree with him. It's bloody sad to see how backward Adelaide is. Is it that difficult to get someone in power who wants to make a difference and bring Adelaide out of the 1970's?

[Blue Red and Gold]

Yes its in this area here where you begin your five mile hike to the aircraft front door:rolleyes::thumbsd:
here we go again

[crowsup]

No wonder Victorians put our state down so much. They don't need to. Our own South Australians do a much better job.:rolleyes::o.
If you are so unhappy about it, why don't you do something about it, or leave the state. As some of the expatriates above have done?:p:thumbsd:

[Southerntakeover]

No wonder Victorians put our state down so much. They don't need to. Our own South Australians do a much better job.:rolleyes::o.
If you are so unhappy about it, why don't you do something about it, or leave the state. As some of the expatriates above have done?:p:thumbsd:

maccas isnt south australian. It shows.

[SpringChoke]

We build one way freeways, spend 200mil on an underpass to move the traffic quicker to the next pedestrian crossing lights, allow the public transport system to decay, build half a tram service, take 10 years to build a hospital............all the time pouring taxpayers money into Bike races, car races, freak festivals, jungle music festivals etc etc.



What - you didn't enjoy the Alternative Dance Mongolian Lesbian Troupe at last years Fringe Festival.:confused:

This post pretty much sums up Adelaide. I read a recent survey from a prominant businessman who suggested that Adelaide needs another 500,000 people to begin to reach its true potential. Surely he must be joking. He obviously has never driven around the CBD during peak hour. Imagine driving around Adelaides during peak hour with another 100,000 or so cars on the road, it would be a nightmare.

We really need a forward thinking govt who is willing to look at the bigger picture for this state to prosper.

[KingsCrow]

What - you didn't enjoy the Alternative Dance Mongolian Lesbian Troupe at last years Fringe Festival.:confused:

This post pretty much sums up Adelaide. I read a recent survey from a prominant businessman who suggested that Adelaide needs another 500,000 people to begin to reach its true potential. Surely he must be joking. He obviously has never driven around the CBD during peak hour. Imagine driving around Adelaides during peak hour with another 100,000 or so cars on the road, it would be a nightmare.

We really need a forward thinking govt who is willing to look at the bigger picture for this state to prosper.


This city does need alot more people.

The CBD is aiming to double its population in the next 10-15 years. Improved public transport will ease the traffic issues as well as infrastruture investment. Our city needs more density, no more suburbs.

[Mad Dog]

This city does need alot more people.

The CBD is aiming to double its population in the next 10-15 years. Improved public transport will ease the traffic issues as well as infrastruture investment. Our city needs more density, no more suburbs.

to which there is no material commitment from this Govt

[crowman_23]

Have power here;) Sunbury has more history than the whole state of SA put together very first Ashes Test was played here enough said:thumbsu:

haha Played footy on that oval last season. Was shocking, would be lucky to find a blade of grass and had to run in zig zags to avoid being drowned in big puddles!

[Leaping Lindner]

Have power here;) Sunbury has more history than the whole state of SA put together very first Ashes Test was played here enough said:thumbsu:


Yeah right:rolleyes: A rock music festival, the first ashes test and..............

[Leaping Lindner]

This city does need alot more people.

The CBD is aiming to double its population in the next 10-15 years. Improved public transport will ease the traffic issues as well as infrastruture investment. Our city needs more density, no more suburbs.


Bingo. Anyone who has lived in Inner City Melbourne or Sydney will tell you that.

[macca23]

Have power here;) Sunbury has more history than the whole state of SA put together very first Ashes Test was played here enough said:thumbsu:

Established in the same year - 1836. :)

Here, have a read about Sunbury Maccas. Sounds like Hicksville to me. :D


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunbury,_Victoria

[noddy]

:eek: Are you insane????:p I've lived here 13 years and still hate driving here. It's total madness.


Only been there about 10 or so times but i do find it easier to drive around the suburbs more so than in Adelaide , more direction signs & easy to read plus wider roads.

[noddy]

I think you confused Ballarat as Melbourne Noddy? :eek:
Haven't driven in peak hour traffic?

Well no i haven't driven around in peak traffic but neither did i in Adelaide if i could avoid it.

Plus i never ventured into the city by car, much preferred to go by tram or train.

[Leaping Lindner]

Established in the same year - 1836. :)

Here, have a read about Sunbury Maccas. Sounds like Hicksville to me. :D


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunbury,_Victoria

Famous people from Sunbury....

Mark Johnson
David Schwarz
Nathan Phillips
James Kelly

ROTFLMAO :D

[DKS17]

I spent six months travelling through europe last year and while I saw spent time in some amazing places and saw some amazing sights arriving back in Adelaide on a warm autum day and and seeing the beautiful adelaide parklands and the magnificant adelaide oval was an amazing feeling.

We aren't as big melbourne or Sydney and we do need to be more progressive in some areas but does that make us a backwater? No! We have a lot going for us, beautiful beaches, fantastic food (which is affordable), great wineries. We should appreciate the great things about Adelaide rather than comparing ourselves to other cities and constantly complaining about coming up short. We have a lifestyle here that is something else compared to many of the cities and towns that I visited and I for one would never live anywhere else. I love travelling and experiecing other cities and cultures but Adelaides home and I love it:D

[jo172]

Yeah it's backwater, but it's home :thumbsu::)

[Blue Red and Gold]

I spent six months travelling through europe last year and while I saw spent time in some amazing places and saw some amazing sights arriving back in Adelaide on a warm autum day and and seeing the beautiful adelaide parklands and the magnificant adelaide oval was an amazing feeling.

We aren't as big melbourne or Sydney and we do need to be more progressive in some areas but does that make us a backwater? No! We have a lot going for us, beautiful beaches, fantastic food (which is affordable), great wineries. We should appreciate the great things about Adelaide rather than comparing ourselves to other cities and constantly complaining about coming up short. We have a lifestyle here that is something else compared to many of the cities and towns that I visited and I for one would never live anywhere else. I love travelling and experiecing other cities and cultures but Adelaides home and I love it:D
Amen brother

[crows98]

I spent six months travelling through europe last year and while I saw spent time in some amazing places and saw some amazing sights arriving back in Adelaide on a warm autum day and and seeing the beautiful adelaide parklands and the magnificant adelaide oval was an amazing feeling.

We aren't as big melbourne or Sydney and we do need to be more progressive in some areas but does that make us a backwater? No! We have a lot going for us, beautiful beaches, fantastic food (which is affordable), great wineries. We should appreciate the great things about Adelaide rather than comparing ourselves to other cities and constantly complaining about coming up short. We have a lifestyle here that is something else compared to many of the cities and towns that I visited and I for one would never live anywhere else. I love travelling and experiecing other cities and cultures but Adelaides home and I love it:D

Spot on; well said. :thumbsu::thumbsu:

[Punchy Bassett]

I spent six months travelling through europe last year and while I saw spent time in some amazing places and saw some amazing sights arriving back in Adelaide on a warm autum day and and seeing the beautiful adelaide parklands and the magnificant adelaide oval was an amazing feeling.

We aren't as big melbourne or Sydney and we do need to be more progressive in some areas but does that make us a backwater? No! We have a lot going for us, beautiful beaches, fantastic food (which is affordable), great wineries. We should appreciate the great things about Adelaide rather than comparing ourselves to other cities and constantly complaining about coming up short. We have a lifestyle here that is something else compared to many of the cities and towns that I visited and I for one would never live anywhere else. I love travelling and experiecing other cities and cultures but Adelaides home and I love it:D

Nail. Hammer. Head.

[jenny61_99]

I came to Adelaide for Chrissie and was impressed by the new airport. The old one was an embarrassment and really highlighted the lack of development of Adelaide. The new one looks like our International Airport. :thumbsu: Ok, so not many people there (that's gotta be a bonus for checking in :D) but you have to start somewhere. Adelaide really hasn't changed since the first time I visited in 1979. Population is steady (never really changes). When I first moved to Brisbane in 1988, the two cities were on a par. Adelaide had the advantage of the beaches, while you have to travel to get to ours. Adelaide's cultural spirit was always far stronger than Brisbanes.

In the years since then, however, Brisbane has made the leap from small city to bustling metropolis. Its population has doubled and of course a long with that, there are extraordinary pressures on infrastructure. We don't have a great public transport system - period. Our major roads are at gridlock every peak hour. Our housing prices are exhorbitant. Don't rush to be like us!

While Adelaide has its down-sides (people are always bringing up the mass-murder/children disappearing situations when Adelaide is mentioned :rolleyes:), but in my opinion it is a beautiful city, with beautiful beaches, fantastic wineries, and a bloody sensational footy team! It also has the best yiros and fish and chips in the country! And by god it's a lot easier to find your way around in Adelaide with it's meticulous planning by Colonel Light!

[hey shorty]

It might be a backwater, but its our backwater and personally I love Adelaide. Ok so I live in the Hills which isnt quite Adelaide (but its alot more suburbia than 10 years ago) but I do spend a lot of time in the city for TAFE and work. Our public transport system isnt great but ive never had a major hassle, peak hour traffic isnt great but its avoidable and our infrastructure is a fair bit behind other cities but who cares !!!

Adelaide is like a big country town. We dont need the big buildings, our airport is one of the best in the country (no lines and its so easy to get around) and I owe my life to the fantastic doctors we have here, especially at the WCH. I havent travelled around the world but ive been to every other capital city in this country and whilst we dont have some things other states do it doesnt bother me. We have so many things to be thankful for and proud of. We have the greatest motorsport event in the world, the best wines and the most beautiful sporting venue in the world in Adelaide Oval. Hopefully now the whole State Bank saga is done the government can use the money for important things rather than meaningless crap (Clipsal 500 aside:D)

DSK17 hit the nail on the head, I would never live anywhere else, Adelaide is my home and I cant see myself moving if I dont have to. Besides, Mr Brumby is still a bit upset that we "stole" that big Naval Destroyer contract from him ;)

[KingsCrow]

Tsssk

Don't you see, when he said backwater he didn't imply 'you have crap beaches, bad lifestyle, crappy skyline'.

He was just implying that in the Order of Australian cities and the relative power they possess, well Adelaide is a backwater. Brumby wants Melbourne to be the centre of Australia, and with the main Port that would be a step in the right direction.

He thinks that if the port isn't built Melbourne will lose power and influence, relevance. That Brisbane and Sydney will just keep growing, and Melbourne will start to lose out on things, become a backwater

Like Adelaide.

[Blue Red and Gold]

It might be a backwater, but its our backwater and personally I love Adelaide. Ok so I live in the Hills which isnt quite Adelaide (but its alot more suburbia than 10 years ago) but I do spend a lot of time in the city for TAFE and work. Our public transport system isnt great but ive never had a major hassle, peak hour traffic isnt great but its avoidable and our infrastructure is a fair bit behind other cities but who cares !!!

Adelaide is like a big country town. We dont need the big buildings, our airport is one of the best in the country (no lines and its so easy to get around) and I owe my life to the fantastic doctors we have here, especially at the WCH. I havent travelled around the world but ive been to every other capital city in this country and whilst we dont have some things other states do it doesnt bother me. We have so many things to be thankful for and proud of. We have the greatest motorsport event in the world, the best wines and the most beautiful sporting venue in the world in Adelaide Oval. Hopefully now the whole State Bank saga is done the government can use the money for important things rather than meaningless crap (Clipsal 500 aside:D)

DSK17 hit the nail on the head, I would never live anywhere else, Adelaide is my home and I cant see myself moving if I dont have to. Besides, Mr Brumby is still a bit upset that we "stole" that big Naval Destroyer contract from him ;)
OH ADELAIDE!!!!...Is wonderful...

[Markthirtytwo]

Famous people from Sunbury....

Mark Johnson
David Schwarz
Nathan Phillips
James Kelly

ROTFLMAO :D

And the ghost of Billy Thorpe. ;)

[Markthirtytwo]

Melbourne is always trying to be like Sydney.

It wont happen.

Because it has most beautiful waterways, the best beaches (only better than ours because they don't have seaweed:D)and great city bristling with people.
Where they fall down is that they don't have the best footy code.

Brisbane is like Canberra because everyone comes from somewhere else.
Even their waterways are better than Melbourne's.

But as a liveable city, Adelaide beats them all by a mile.

[SpringChoke]

Melbourne is always trying to be like Sydney.

It wont happen.

Because it has most beautiful waterways, the best beaches (only better than ours because they don't have seaweed:D)and great city bristling with people.
Where they fall down is that they don't have the best footy code.

Brisbane is like Canberra because everyone comes from somewhere else.
Even their waterways are better than Melbourne's.

But as a liveable city, Adelaide beats them all by a mile.

......

[macca23]

I spent six months travelling through europe last year and while I saw spent time in some amazing places and saw some amazing sights arriving back in Adelaide on a warm autum day and and seeing the beautiful adelaide parklands and the magnificant adelaide oval was an amazing feeling.

We aren't as big melbourne or Sydney and we do need to be more progressive in some areas but does that make us a backwater? No! We have a lot going for us, beautiful beaches, fantastic food (which is affordable), great wineries. We should appreciate the great things about Adelaide rather than comparing ourselves to other cities and constantly complaining about coming up short. We have a lifestyle here that is something else compared to many of the cities and towns that I visited and I for one would never live anywhere else. I love travelling and experiecing other cities and cultures but Adelaides home and I love it:D

Post of the year so far IMO. :thumbsu:

I've travelled to many parts of the world and loved it while doing it.

But DKS has decribed to the letter my emotions when I return and see the familiar sights of Adelaide.

There is no better place in the world IMO to live and raise a family!! :thumbsu:

[SpringChoke]

Post of the year so far IMO. :thumbsu:

I've travelled to many parts of the world and loved it while doing it.

But DKS has decribed to the letter my emotions when I return and see the familiar sights of Adelaide.

There is no better place in the world IMO to live and raise a family!! :thumbsu:

I spent a couple of years working and travelling overseas and Adelaide is deifinately one of the better places in the world to live. Great weather, great food, great drink, great lifestyle. If I was retired or rich or unemployed or a Cornes it would be paradise. Unfortunately I have to work to make a living and it's tougher than it should be in Adelaide.

[Mad Dog]

I think most of us agree we love Adelaide - and if you're born here - you would find it hard to contemplate living anywhere else. The best part of travelling is coming home....:thumbsu:

...but it doesn't mean that a 2 way highway - north south corridor - trains that work - and permission to buy a fridge in the metropolitan area on a Sunday if I need to wouldn't go astray

:)

[brucetiki]

I think Brumby's little comments has backfired completely now Melbourne looks set to lose the GP in 2010.

[KingsCrow]

haha yeah. When I read it on new.com.au I laughed my head off.

[Farmy]

The only reason he mentioned Adelaide was to divert attention away from melbourne, because Melbourne, unlike the rest of Australia (including Adelaide) have already fixed their ports.

Melbourne is infact the backwater, and the one trailing behind.

Oh and in regards to the one way expressway, its great that it is a one way expressway, while the expressway caused a bunch of idiots to move out into new suburbs created solely because of the expressway, its not as many as would have moved down south if it was two lanes.

The less urban sprawl in Adelaide the better for the city.

And while people are complaining about South Australia and Adelaide not doing this and not doing that, please remember the state bank collapse which set this state back a decade. So there is a valid reason for it.

And I agree the anti South Australia/Adelaide morons to spout a bunch of overblown crap, because most of them have never set foot in South Australia.

Edit: Oh and Adelaide certainly isn't a backwater when it comes to running exciting and fun motor sports festivals, something which Melbourne fails at completely (Melbourne GP is boring).

[IddyBiddy]

I live in Melbourne and i am not about to bag the city, its a great place to live and work at my age. Lots of great bars, live music and lots of opportunity to get ahead work wise. However the one things i have noticed since moving here is that festivals and big events get lost. In Adelaide when the Fringe and Festival, V8's and cricket are on you know its happening, the city is a buzz, its great to go out. In Melbourne, when the Formula 1, Aussie Open, even the cricket is on, there is no buzz and that's because its to big. People bag our city for being small, but i say that is what makes us great. I've got a group of about 8 Melbourne friends coming with me to Adelaide for a weekend of the Adelaide Festival, Fringe and WOMAD in a few weeks, i'm not sure you could go to a backwater for a weekend like that, but you do need to get out of Melbourne.

And for what its worth there has been a little common sense in today's papers with the Melbourne media suggesting that Brumby needs to stop making stupid comments to deflect criticism.

[Markthirtytwo]

Oh and Adelaide certainly isn't a backwater when it comes to running exciting and fun motor sports festivals, something which Melbourne fails at completely (Melbourne GP is boring).

Don't confuse the city of Melbourne with the organisation of the GP. It's both organised and run basically by the same people that do the Clipsal 500. Most are volunteers from around the country. So please be careful about venting your spleen about the city when it's nothing but a location for the event.

And the feedback from the F1 organisation and especially the teams, they feel it's the second best organised in the world. It doesn't compare with the way Adelaide city made the most of the festival.

[Farmy]

Don't confuse the city of Melbourne with the organisation of the GP. It's both organised and run basically by the same people that do the Clipsal 500. Most are volunteers from around the country. So please be careful about venting your spleen about the city when it's nothing but a location for the event.

And the feedback from the F1 organisation and especially the teams, they feel it's the second best organised in the world. It doesn't compare with the way Adelaide city made the most of the festival.

Actually I think how ordinary the Melbourne GP is very related to the fact that it takes play in Melbourne.

[mark73]

Adelaide is a backwater compared to Melbourne if we were realistic. However its our backwater and its a great place to live so who really cares.
In reality nobody who has the capacity to think for themselves. I grew up in Melbourne but lived in Adelaide for 8 months in 2005, and while the differences are pretty noticeable from the word go, I'm not sure why people get so hung up on this crap of comparing cities. If the people who live there are happy living there, I don't see issue.
Melbourne is backwater compared to Tokyo or maybe even Sydney. Everything is relative.
I can't comment on Tokyo, but Sydney has become a real shithole. It might have a slightly bigger population than Melbourne, but I'd argue it's a better city or cause for Melbourne to be considered a backwater.
Agree with Dyetribe about the C grade celebrity culture in this town. Why certain people's opinions appear to carry weight is beyond me.
In essence this is one of the things that is most noticeable, and probably some reason as to why Adelaide has the reputation outside of SA that it has. When the spat was going on between Hewitt and McLeod, you'd be forgiven for thinking they were carrying on about a spat in the royal family. On the other hand, if Lleyton Hewitt or Graham Cornes walked down Swanston St in Melbourne, I doubt anyone would say boo to them.

The thing is, Adelaide people realise this as much as anyone, which was evident when I was there and you had the feud going on because Max Stevens came out and said the only reason Matthew Clarke's missus is on tv is because she's Matthew Clarke's missus. And despite the fact that the PC police had a field day with him, he was right.

[Mad Dog]

In reality nobody who has the capacity to think for themselves. I grew up in Melbourne but lived in Adelaide for 8 months in 2005, and while the differences are pretty noticeable from the word go, I'm not sure why people get so hung up on this crap of comparing cities. If the people who live there are happy living there, I don't see issue.I can't comment on Tokyo, but Sydney has become a real shithole. It might have a slightly bigger population than Melbourne, but I'd argue it's a better city or cause for Melbourne to be considered a backwater.
In essence this is one of the things that is most noticeable, and probably some reason as to why Adelaide has the reputation outside of SA that it has. When the spat was going on between Hewitt and McLeod, you'd be forgiven for thinking they were carrying on about a spat in the royal family. On the other hand, if Lleyton Hewitt or Graham Cornes walked down Swanston St in Melbourne, I doubt anyone would say boo to them.

The thing is, Adelaide people realise this as much as anyone, which was evident when I was there and you had the feud going on because Max Stevens came out and said the only reason Matthew Clarke's missus is on tv is because she's Matthew Clarke's missus. And despite the fact that the PC police had a field day with him, he was right.

Don't let KG hear you say that !!

He'll be Wo-Wo-Wo-Wopable.

[Markthirtytwo]

Actually I think how ordinary the Melbourne GP is very related to the fact that it takes play in Melbourne.

That says more about you than the event. You are actually being critical of the volunteers which is very unfair.

[NikkiNoo]

That says more about you than the event. You are actually being critical of the volunteers which is very unfair.

Mark, I think people are critical of the event not the volunteers.

The volunteers are not involved in the design of the track, the decision to host the first race of a season, the booking of entertainment, the liason with the city of Melbourne to create a festival atmosphere, the food and drink amenities. That is what makes the F1 event such a non-event as opposed to Clipsal 500.
I used to go to the F1's here regularly and am very excited to having gold tickets for Clipsal this year. I know people that have been to Melbourne and are not going back as it just isn't the same. Clipsal is a much better run event and it's not the volunteers that make the decisions that makes it a better event.

[Markthirtytwo]

Mark, I think people are critical of the event not the volunteers.

The volunteers are not involved in the design of the track, the decision to host the first race of a season, the booking of entertainment, the liason with the city of Melbourne to create a festival atmosphere, the food and drink amenities. That is what makes the F1 event such a non-event as opposed to Clipsal 500.
I used to go to the F1's here regularly and am very excited to having gold tickets for Clipsal this year. I know people that have been to Melbourne and are not going back as it just isn't the same. Clipsal is a much better run event and it's not the volunteers that make the decisions that makes it a better event.

Working at both events, I did take it as an afront. See even you mentioned THE EVENT. I take that as a critical comment of the big show not just where it's held or the peripherals that go with it.

Hope we do put on a good show for you at Clipsal however. ;)

[Farmy]

That says more about you than the event. You are actually being critical of the volunteers which is very unfair.

Um no I wasn't where exactly did I say:

"The volunteers sure are crap and responsible for the Melbourne GP being terrible"

Oh right, I didn't say that, I'm critical of the fact that it is in Melbourne and that Melbourne cannot run sports festivals well.

[maccas_no1]

MITSUBISHI Another 4000 people heading to Victoria maybe even more than that effected with other suppliers in Adelaide who supply Mitsubishi with parts.

Think this board should be renamed The Backwater:)

[jo172]

MITSUBISHI Another 4000 people heading to Victoria maybe even more than that effected with other suppliers in Adelaide who supply Mitsubishi with parts.

Think this board should be renamed The Backwater:)

It takes a particularly sick and pathetic little person to wish life changing misfortune on others in order to score cheap and meaningless points on a Football discussion forum.

[KingsCrow]

MITSUBISHI Another 4000 people heading to Victoria maybe even more than that effected with other suppliers in Adelaide who supply Mitsubishi with parts.

Think this board should be renamed The Backwater:)

Your pathetic

Its 1200 affect directly and indirectly. Mitsubishi were making 35 cars a day. This is not a major loss for SA.

BTW, not many poeple from SA would move to Victoria. Victoria actually experiences nett interstate migration losses. Indeed with the closure of a manufacturing business's we now have workers to fill the void of teh high paid defence sector & possibly the mega paid mining industry.


You can have all the manufacturing jobs of Australia for all I care. Because its a doomed sector. A bit like car salesmen, baggage handlers & real estate agents.

[maccas_no1]

Your pathetic

Its 1200 affect directly and indirectly. Mitsubishi were making 35 cars a day. This is not a major loss for SA.

BTW, not many poeple from SA would move to Victoria. Victoria actually experiences nett interstate migration losses. Indeed with the closure of a manufacturing business's we now have workers to fill the void of teh high paid defence sector & possibly the mega paid mining industry.


You can have all the manufacturing jobs of Australia for all I care. Because its a doomed sector. A bit like car salesmen, baggage handlers & real estate agents.

Not according to the news report Ive just watched, its 1000 workers + their families and the flow on effect from other associated business such as suppliers, this could effect anywhere upto 10,000 South Australians, where in SA are they going to find work? The Mitsubishi workers just said on the news report Ive just watched that they think the SA government expects them to just pack up and move north which isnt where they want to be forced to move, they said there chances of staying in Adelaide are low and would be forced to move interstate.

This is a swipe at the weak SA government for sitting on their hands for years not protect state jobs, it has been on the cards for many many years that Mitsubishi unless it sold cars would close, did the SA government listen? Mike Rann is a freaking clown:thumbsd:

[KingsCrow]

LOL. Why would they move interstate for a new job? SA has the lowest unemployment levels in YEARS. And this is even with an ageing population.

The ASC ships & sub's will create over 2000 jobs. High Skilled, High paid jobs. This is where they will find work. If they need to move North, so be it. Its life.

Mitsubishis land will probably be bought back by the Government and converted to a smaller industrial plant and residental area. Hopefully this new industrial area will be designated for a sector with a FUTURE. The Auto industry has NO FUTURE in Australia.

I am glad Mitsubishi closed, because it means we don't have a White elephant anymore, now we will might be able to fill the skills shortage we have at the moment. 35 less cars a day won't hurt the South Australian economy at all.

Rann has done a whole lot of good for this state. He isn't the greatest, but he isn't a clown.

[Rory]

This is a swipe at the weak SA government for sitting on their hands for years not protect state jobs, it has been on the cards for many many years that Mitsubishi unless it sold cars would close, did the SA government listen? Mike Rann is a freaking clown:thumbsd:

The government has been doing everything it can to keep the plant open, but ultimately it's not their decision. What did you expect Rann & Co to do, go out on the streets and try and sell cars?

:rolleyes:

[jo172]

Rann has done a whole lot of good for this state. He isn't the greatest, but he isn't a clown.

You had me until that line.

The man is a complete arseclown who has started to believe in his own cult of personality. His systematic attacks on the courts, mismanagment of water and failure to follow through on promises have indicted him as nothing more than a media whore profiting off a very weak opposition.

The idea that Rannbo is responsible for the Air Warfare Destroyer Contract is absurd, he is a hinderance to South Australia and we will be better off when he is run out of office.

Having said that, he is still better than the axis of evil of Lomax-Smtih, Foley, Atkinson or Conlon.

[KingsCrow]

The Government has already bought over a 1000 380's. Thats nearly a third of their total sales for a year.

[jo172]

The Government has already bought over a 1000 380's. Thats nearly a third of their total sales for a year.

And then they gave one to my Dad!

Is anyone getting an important lesson about protectionism here?

[KingsCrow]

You had me until that line.

The man is a complete arseclown who has started to believe in his own cult of personality. His systematic attacks on the courts, mismanagment of water and failure to follow through on promises have indicted him as nothing more than a media whore profiting off a very weak opposition.

The idea that Rannbo is responsible for the Air Warfare Destroyer Contract is absurd, he is a hinderance to South Australia and we will be better off when he is run out of office.

Having said that, he is still better than the axis of evil of Lomax-Smtih, Foley, Atkinson or Conlon.

I am not really big on state politics but he seems to be doing a good job. At least he is exposing and trying to help the defense sector. Pledging money for the ship lifts would have gone a long way to helping secure the contract.

And he is kind of showing that he wants change in Adelaide,such as the Grand Stand & Trams.

I can't see much wrong that he has done, Adelaide was in the Pitts when he took over, now its starting to look alright. Good timing or good leadership/governing I don't know.

[KingsCrow]

And then they gave one to my Dad!

Is anyone getting an important lesson about protectionism here?


I can just see in 20 years time the state government buying subs for Border Security/Whale watching expeditions from the ASC.

[hey shorty]

I am not really big on state politics but he seems to be doing a good job. At least he is exposing and trying to help the defense sector. Pledging money for the ship lifts would have gone a long way to helping secure the contract.

And he is kind of showing that he wants change in Adelaide,such as the Grand Stand & Trams.

I can't see much wrong that he has done, Adelaide was in the Pitts when he took over, now its starting to look alright. Good timing or good leadership/governing I don't know.

The trams have done what to our city ?? Not a lot. He wants to take on the bikies, but he has done almost nothing. Hes very good at talking to the media and doing all the friendly things but really he hasnt done much else. Mind you he was slightly handcuffed by the "State Bank Fiasco" which is all gone now, so perhaps we will see some proactive movement.

[KingsCrow]

The Trams have done more physologically then anything else in the city.

Because Adelaide FINALLY saw change. There was resistance, but it came through. Now we have a massively popular service. Hopefully Adealdie will become more accepting of change now. And hopefully we will see the extention of the trams all over the city.

[jo172]

The trams have done what to our city ?? Not a lot. He wants to take on the bikies, but he has done almost nothing. Hes very good at talking to the media and doing all the friendly things but really he hasnt done much else. Mind you he was slightly handcuffed by the "State Bank Fiasco" which is all gone now, so perhaps we will see some proactive movement.

Not to mention the damage he has inflicted on the Legal System and his misunderstanding of basic Separation of Powers principles ...

Quite frankly Mike Rann is a testament to the lack of talent in the South Australian Parliament.

[jo172]

The Trams have done more physologically then anything else in the city.

Because Adelaide FINALLY saw change. There was resistance, but it came through. Now we have a massively popular service. Hopefully Adealdie will become more accepting of change now. And hopefully we will see the extention of the trams all over the city.

I assume you mean psychologically?

And am I the only one who still considers them a stupid idea and whose life is somewhat inconvenienced by them?

And who wants to bet if he took that policy into an election he'd lose in a landslide ;)

[KingsCrow]

Downer will hopefully retire at the end of his term and head the Liberals. That would be a great day.

He did get us Pandas after, how can we lose?!

[jo172]

Downer will hopefully retire at the end of his term and head the Liberals. That would be a great day.

He did get us Pandas after, how can we lose?!

There is no doubt that more Panda's would be good for this city.

And getting back on topic, how dare Brumby call us backwater, we have Pandas!:p

[KingsCrow]

I assume you mean psychologically?

And am I the only one who still considers them a stupid idea and whose life is somewhat inconvenienced by them?

And who wants to bet if he took that policy into an election he'd lose in a landslide ;)


Yeah my spelling has gone down hill since I finish school, haha. Uni next year though, so I better sharpen up.

For every person catching a tram its one less car on the road. I wish the Trams ran all over the city, down Rundle street, maybe one day along the Port Road, all the way to AAMI stadium.

Public Transport will become critical to Adelaide's (CBD) growth. Watch as the population within the CBD skyrockets. Because it will be so easy to get around.

If he took a tram policy into an election I would vote for him. Light rail is the future. Not widening roads to allow more petrol drinking cars.

[KingsCrow]

There is no doubt that more Panda's would be good for this city.

And getting back on topic, how dare Brumby call us backwater, we have Pandas!:p


Our Panda's are better then your Panda's....OH WAIT, you have no Panda's


HAHAHAHAHHHAHA.

[Rory]

And am I the only one who still considers them a stupid idea and whose life is somewhat inconvenienced by them?


Nope. The tram has totally ****ed up the west end of North Terrace for anyone coming from Port road, traffic is almost constantly at a halt because of the logjam of buses/taxis/people trying to turn into the car parks etc etc. I totally avoid going into the city now via Port Rd, I'd much rather spend an extra 10 minutes going up Torrens Road and getting into the city via North Adelaide if I have to drive, otherwise I just train it.

[maccas_no1]

Nope. The tram has totally ****ed up the west end of North Terrace for anyone coming from Port road, traffic is almost constantly at a halt because of the logjam of buses/taxis/people trying to turn into the car parks etc etc. I totally avoid going into the city now via Port Rd, I'd much rather spend an extra 10 minutes going up Torrens Road and getting into the city via North Adelaide if I have to drive, otherwise I just train it.

Spot on Trams are a deadset pain in the arse, and cause more headaches than they solve take up the road cant get around them and have to roll along behind them at 40 kph:thumbsd:

On ASC its a contract to build three ships thats it, there's no long term answer for workers there:thumbsd:

The closure of Mitsubishi will effect alot of people and it goes right down the line not only at the plant itself, you have the Mitsubishi dealerships who suddenely dont have a car range to sell so they may not need the two extra mechanics the two extra salespersons that they employ, then all the suppliers of Mitsubishi parts dont have parts to supply anymore where does that leave their employees and families? When it all comes out in the wash this is a huge loss for SA, the SA government have always put the reliance on the car market and Mitsubishi and Holden doing well, Ive said many times over the years on this board in regards to this subject.

[Leaping Lindner]

The tram system in Melbourne is brilliant,particulary the inner city, and the only way to get around. Anyone who drives in the inner city and gets stuck behind a tram has my "sincere" :p sympathy.

[Markthirtytwo]

Nope. The tram has totally ****ed up the west end of North Terrace for anyone coming from Port road, traffic is almost constantly at a halt because of the logjam of buses/taxis/people trying to turn into the car parks etc etc. I totally avoid going into the city now via Port Rd, I'd much rather spend an extra 10 minutes going up Torrens Road and getting into the city via North Adelaide if I have to drive, otherwise I just train it.

And that's the major problem with Adelaide, because we are so used to getting around with no or little fuss, just because you have to wait 5 minutes you believe it's a major catastrophe. About time for a reality check.

I've said it before, light rail (trams) is the new black in cities around the world. But what do we do, oh lets complain because we are being held up.

At least you have used your brains by giving it a miss. Pity others didn't follow your example.

[Macca19]

Nope. The tram has totally ****ed up the west end of North Terrace for anyone coming from Port road, traffic is almost constantly at a halt because of the logjam of buses/taxis/people trying to turn into the car parks etc etc. I totally avoid going into the city now via Port Rd, I'd much rather spend an extra 10 minutes going up Torrens Road and getting into the city via North Adelaide if I have to drive, otherwise I just train it.

Agreed. It looks great down King William but once it hits Nth Terrace its a friggin disaster. Nth Terrace used to be fantastic, but now its the most unorganised mess youll ever see.

[Crowked]

Spot on Trams are a deadset pain in the arse, and cause more headaches than they solve take up the road cant get around them and have to roll along behind them at 40 kph:thumbsd:

On ASC its a contract to build three ships thats it, there's no long term answer for workers there:thumbsd:

The closure of Mitsubishi will effect alot of people and it goes right down the line not only at the plant itself, you have the Mitsubishi dealerships who suddenely dont have a car range to sell so they may not need the two extra mechanics the two extra salespersons that they employ, then all the suppliers of Mitsubishi parts dont have parts to supply anymore where does that leave their employees and families? When it all comes out in the wash this is a huge loss for SA, the SA government have always put the reliance on the car market and Mitsubishi and Holden doing well, Ive said many times over the years on this board in regards to this subject.

I heard it reported yesterday (through an industry source of mine) that the Mitsubishi 380 represents a whole wopping 2% of the market they compete in, being the Aussie built family car market. I dont think the impact of losing them will be of great concern to SA in the long term. Theyve been basically brain dead but on life support for years. Most companies that make components for Mistubishi make their money supplying Holden and to a lesser degree the Ford factory in Campbellfield, north of Melbourne. If anyone was totally reliant on Mitsubishi, they were dying a slow painfull death anyway. Now their misery is over. In regard to the sales side, they sell mainly imports, so the impact wont be great there either.

There is a heavy reliance on Holden here is SA though, and when they pack up for China in a few years, it will really hurt. For those who dont know, Holden have a factory in China (GM Shanghai) that is going to eventually supply our market instead of the Elizabeth plant. Something they dont want out there, but its going to happen, and soon. Holden build more than 10 times as many cars as Mitsubishi are ATM, so its going to hit us big time.

[maccas_no1]

I heard it reported yesterday (through an industry source of mine) that the Mitsubishi 380 represents a whole wopping 2% of the market they compete in, being the Aussie built family car market. I dont think the impact of losing them will be of great concern to SA in the long term. Theyve been basically brain dead but on life support for years. Most companies that make components for Mistubishi make their money supplying Holden and to a lesser degree the Ford factory in Campbellfield, north of Melbourne. If anyone was totally reliant on Mitsubishi, they were dying a slow painfull death anyway. Now their misery is over. In regard to the sales side, they sell mainly imports, so the impact wont be great there either.

There is a heavy reliance on Holden here is SA though, and when they pack up for China in a few years, it will really hurt. For those who dont know, Holden have a factory in China (GM Shanghai) that is going to eventually supply our market instead of the Elizabeth plant. Something they dont want out there, but its going to happen, and soon. Holden build more than 10 times as many cars as Mitsubishi are ATM, so its going to hit us big time.

Please dont under estimate the effects of the Tonsley Park closure.

Holden also bought out Daewoo in Korea and own car making plants there. At the end of the day I mainly blame the Australian Government for the mess in the Australian Car manufacturing industry by lowering tarrifs on imported cars, high petrol prices are also to blame and the Australian Federal Government needs to take partial blame for that also by pretty much double taxing every motorist for petrol. I think if three years ago when the SA government tipped in $35 million to keep Tonsley Park operating it was then that the crucial decision needed to be made, the 380 was a good car but big front wheel drive cars are really what people want, if it had of been rear wheel drive it would have been more successful in the market place, overall I think Mitsubishi make good cars (I own/have owned plenty of Magnas and Sigmas) they also could/should have looked at locally producing the Lancer rather then going with the 380, the Lancer that is in the marketplace now is HOT fantastic car and wouldnt mind one myself, it is great, looks great, great on petrol so its what people are buying due to increase in fuel prices.

[Crowked]

Please dont under estimate the effects of the Tonsley Park closure.

Holden also bought out Daewoo in Korea and own car making plants there. At the end of the day I mainly blame the Australian Government for the mess in the Australian Car manufacturing industry by lowering tarrifs on imported cars, high petrol prices are also to blame and the Australian Federal Government needs to take partial blame for that also by pretty much double taxing every motorist for petrol. I think if three years ago when the SA government tipped in $35 million to keep Tonsley Park operating it was then that the crucial decision needed to be made, the 380 was a good car but big front wheel drive cars are really what people want, if it had of been rear wheel drive it would have been more successful in the market place, overall I think Mitsubishi make good cars (I own/have owned plenty of Magnas and Sigmas) they also could/should have looked at locally producing the Lancer rather then going with the 380, the Lancer that is in the marketplace now is HOT fantastic car and wouldnt mind one myself, it is great, looks great, great on petrol so its what people are buying due to increase in fuel prices.

I dont underestimate it. They had what 960 empoyees at the plant? I feel for them, dont get me wrong. On the other hand Holden have 4500+. Mitsy's were building about 60 odd cars a day. Holden build 600+ a day. The components industry in Adelaide is here to support Holden primarily, Mitsubishi is a bit of extra work for them and not much more. Not many components manufacturers will go bust because of Mitsy's shuting down, as they still have most of their business.

Your right on the money with the 380 being the wrong car to build. They couldnt compete with Holden and Ford. The Lancer would have been a good car for them to build here, but then their plant over seas that makes them would lose business, and in reality they probably make them much cheaper over seas than they could here.

Apparently Mitsy's are going to pay back the $35M to the government, so thats a good thing. Your points about the tariffs and petrol have real merit, they no doubt have contributed to the overall down turn in Australian built cars sold. However, when all is said and done, they would have survived if people bought their cars. I dont think its the governments fault no one bought the 380, it was poor decision making, competing in a market in which they couldnt win. I said it when they announced it, they would be gone very soon, so it didnt suprise me at all to hear the news.

[Brenton Davy]

I dont underestimate it. They had what 960 empoyees at the plant? I feel for them, dont get me wrong. On the other hand Holden have 4500+. Mitsy's were building about 60 odd cars a day. Holden build 600+ a day. The components industry in Adelaide is here to support Holden primarily, Mitsubishi is a bit of extra work for them and not much more. Not many components manufacturers will go bust because of Mitsy's shuting down, as they still have most of their business.

Your right on the money with the 380 being the wrong car to build. They couldnt compete with Holden and Ford. The Lancer would have been a good car for them to build here, but then their plant over seas that makes them would lose business, and in reality they probably make them much cheaper over seas than they could here.

Apparently Mitsy's are going to pay back the $35M to the government, so thats a good thing. Your points about the tariffs and petrol have real merit, they no doubt have contributed to the overall down turn in Australian built cars sold. However, when all is said and done, they would have survived if people bought their cars. I dont think its the governments fault no one bought the 380, it was poor decision making, competing in a market in which they couldnt win. I said it when they announced it, they would be gone very soon, so it didnt suprise me at all to hear the news.

It is amazing how history repeats itself. Leyland Australia built the P76, trying to compete in a class they were never going to be able to break into successfully. Within a couple of years, they too had been shut down by their overseas bosses. Granted the P76 was a poorly put together car, but it had design features that were a decade ahead of their time. The 380 was well put together, but bland and not particularly inspiring and yes, a largfe fromt driver was never going to appeal to the caravan/trailer/boat towing Aussie.

[jo172]

Yeah my spelling has gone down hill since I finish school, haha. Uni next year though, so I better sharpen up.

Hehe, zing me too!

Agreed. It looks great down King William but once it hits Nth Terrace its a friggin disaster. Nth Terrace used to be fantastic, but now its the most unorganised mess youll ever see.

I know, I live in St Peters and it used to be such a useful way to get through to the inner south western and western suburbs for things like beaches and the air port etc ... Now I generally have to go up to Greenhill Rd which is a colossal waste of time and petrol!

[KingsCrow]

Spot on Trams are a deadset pain in the arse, and cause more headaches than they solve take up the road cant get around them and have to roll along behind them at 40 kph:thumbsd:

On ASC its a contract to build three ships thats it, there's no long term answer for workers there:thumbsd:

The closure of Mitsubishi will effect alot of people and it goes right down the line not only at the plant itself, you have the Mitsubishi dealerships who suddenely dont have a car range to sell so they may not need the two extra mechanics the two extra salespersons that they employ, then all the suppliers of Mitsubishi parts dont have parts to supply anymore where does that leave their employees and families? When it all comes out in the wash this is a huge loss for SA, the SA government have always put the reliance on the car market and Mitsubishi and Holden doing well, Ive said many times over the years on this board in regards to this subject.


Here we go, tackle all these posts.

Trams are what this city needs (Adelaide), it will encourage public tranport use, convience for shoppers and tourists and also encourage people to live in the city. It also as I have said presents change. Who cares if they are a pain in the arse. Do people really need to drive along North Terrace? There are about 100 other roads that you can use to by pass it.

The ASC is going to be South Australias MAIN manufacturing HUB in the future. Three, maybe four advanced warships will be made at the Port. They will always have to be maintained an upgraded. The Australian Submarine fleet will also be replaced soon, costing nearly 20 Billion. Seeing as we are the only capable place of building such Submarines, CHACHING. They will need to be maintained an serviced also. The ASC has a life of over 50 years, write it down. ALSO if we do it well enough we may get international tenders.

The 380 is one of Australias worst selling Big Cars. HOW ON EARTH is that going to affect the Mitsubishi salesmen? It will just be replaced by another Big Car Mitsubishi I am sure makes overseas. The mechanics will have jobs for years and years to come. Holden & Mitsubishi COMBINDED only comprise 2% of South Australia Economy. Now considering our skills shortage is hindering the growth of our economy, wouldn't you think that the jobs lost from Mitsubishi would go along way to helping out this shortage and indeed helping our economy grow. BHP has already offered jobs to teh workers.


This isn't a loss for South Australia at all.

[KingsCrow]

And that's the major problem with Adelaide, because we are so used to getting around with no or little fuss, just because you have to wait 5 minutes you believe it's a major catastrophe. About time for a reality check.

I've said it before, light rail (trams) is the new black in cities around the world. But what do we do, oh lets complain because we are being held up.

At least you have used your brains by giving it a miss. Pity others didn't follow your example.


Exactly. The city is only to be driven to if you work there, live there, shop there, visit there. Its not meant to be a short cut to 'someother place'

[KingsCrow]

Please dont under estimate the effects of the Tonsley Park closure.

Holden also bought out Daewoo in Korea and own car making plants there. At the end of the day I mainly blame the Australian Government for the mess in the Australian Car manufacturing industry by lowering tarrifs on imported cars, high petrol prices are also to blame and the Australian Federal Government needs to take partial blame for that also by pretty much double taxing every motorist for petrol. I think if three years ago when the SA government tipped in $35 million to keep Tonsley Park operating it was then that the crucial decision needed to be made, the 380 was a good car but big front wheel drive cars are really what people want, if it had of been rear wheel drive it would have been more successful in the market place, overall I think Mitsubishi make good cars (I own/have owned plenty of Magnas and Sigmas) they also could/should have looked at locally producing the Lancer rather then going with the 380, the Lancer that is in the marketplace now is HOT fantastic car and wouldnt mind one myself, it is great, looks great, great on petrol so its what people are buying due to increase in fuel prices.

Lowering Tarrifs in Australia means other countries will follow our lead. Meaning the most competative and best built cars will do well in teh GLOBAL market.

The Lancer I am sure (not 100%) is built in Japan with there mainly Machine dominated factory line. Means its quicker, Cheaper to make etc. They pump thousands and thousands out a day. A car like that they would spend billions investing into. That will never happen in Australia.

The future for teh Aussie Auto Makers is green cars. Be innovative. Something different.

THE BIGGEST problem I have with the collapse of the Auto industry is that it means we are becoming more and more dependent on others. I beleive after WW2, when Australia was effectively cut off from the world, the PM of the day proclaimed Australia will never become so dependent on others for her own needs, that we would be able to make anything and everything by ourselves.

I know this is being completely out of the blue. But what if there were a war with China. They control basically the entire worlds manufacturing capabilities.

[Markthirtytwo]

Agreed. It looks great down King William but once it hits Nth Terrace its a friggin disaster. Nth Terrace used to be fantastic, but now its the most unorganised mess youll ever see.

Again that's because our motorists are not familiar driving with trams.
It will take time, however knowing Adelaide motorists as I do very well, perhaps not. Should be no right turns anyway where there are tram lines.

Just have to go another way to turn into where you want to go. Its so simple.

[Blue Red and Gold]

MITSUBISHI Another 4000 people heading to Victoria maybe even more than that effected with other suppliers in Adelaide who supply Mitsubishi with parts.

Think this board should be renamed The Backwater:)
Glad to see you can take joy out of so many people losing their lively hood.

You are a disgrace.

[maccas_no1]

Glad to see you can take joy out of so many people losing their lively hood.

You are a disgrace.

No joy at all, seems other posters on this board are underestimating the effect this will have on SA, 1000 people out of work to start with, where will it end after the effect of it has finished?

[Blue Red and Gold]

No joy at all, seems other posters on this board are underestimating the effect this will have on SA, 1000 people out of work to start with, where will it end after the effect of it has finished?
Dont kid yourself, or the other posters on the board, your first reaction was to gloat, to me I find that rather a rather disgusting trait.

[maccas_no1]

Dont kid yourself, or the other posters on the board, your first reaction was to gloat, to me I find that rather a rather disgusting trait.


You have missed my point, may seemed like I gloated but in fact have highlighted since it was announced the plight that Mitsubishi workers and their families and anyone accociated with Mitsubishi and how the closure will effect them I think you need to re-read my posts.

Okay about ten years ago as a young person just finished my trade and I wanted to work in my trade in Adelaide ( I was living in Whyalla at the time) where I was working the future didnt look very bright and in my trade(baker/pastrycook) in Whyalla I was working for a large company so pursued a tranfer to Adelaide, they offered me a casual job in Adelaide I turned it down as I needed fulltime employment. I then looked at numerous other bakerys etc in Adelaide all were casual or fulltime but less wages than what I was earning as a fourth year apprentice, my wife and I travelled over to Melbourne for the Rnd 1 game Vs Carlton in 98, she said maybe I should look to Victoria for future employment I thought well it would be a huge move, be away from our family but it might be more than what Adelaide has to offer me at present. We returned to Whyalla and I got on the phone on the Monday to three large bakeries in Melbourne, one was so keen to get me over I was back in Melbourne on the Friday for an interview and medical, I returned to Whyalla and on the Monday after had the other two bakeries wanting me to come for interviews also, so had to tell them I had one already and if I was unsuccessful would let them know, the next day I was offered a job with the bakery I had had the interview with the Friday before and we moved to Melbourne, why didnt the same apply with the exact same companies in Adelaide?

If people cant find work in their trade they look to where they can find the work, this is why due to the closure of Mitsubishi many will move to Sydney or Melbourne as where as labourers are they going to find work in Adelaide? Also you have to remember 1000 people are looking for work it puts pressure and sometimes desperation in their need for work and if anit in Adelaide and they need to work for their livelihood then they will move.

Look in tomorrows paper and see how many Baker/pastrycook jobs their are, I doubt you will find one.

[macca23]

Look in tomorrows paper and see how many Baker/pastrycook jobs their are, I doubt you will find one.

Ask the workers from Mitsubishi how many of them are bakers or pastry cooks.

They won't give a fat rat's tossbag whether there are baker/pastrycook jobs or not. :D

Quite frankly there are many employers screaming at the moment that they advertise jobs and nobody applies. IMO the majority of Mitsubishi workers will find other jobs.

Actually you have defeated yourself with your own argument maccas.

You used the case of how being prepared to go to Melbourne (over 700 kms) got you all these offers of jobs.

Using that argument I have no doubt that if the workers were prepared to go to up north to those places about to be part of the biggest mining boom in THIS state, then they could get very good money.

Time to give away the bashing of everything SA IMO.

[KingsCrow]

1998- Probably one of the worst years in SA's history. High unemployment, little investment in our state.

I know for one that the bakery in Hahndorf where I live needs Bakers.

BHP's Roxby Mine will employ over 2000 people.

ASC Will employ over 2000 people.


And both of these haven't even begun full scale production. SA is short of workers. How hard is that for you to understand? There is no reason for them to move.

Adelaides CBD has 4% vacancy rate, second only to Perth, which has the worlds lowest vacancy rate.

[Rory]

Again that's because our motorists are not familiar driving with trams.
It will take time, however knowing Adelaide motorists as I do very well, perhaps not. Should be no right turns anyway where there are tram lines.

Just have to go another way to turn into where you want to go. Its so simple.

It's not that. It's the bottle neck which starts at the Hyatt where there are bus stops, numerous taxis trying to pull over and 4 sets of traffic lights within 100 meters of each other. If you ever try driving along there from Port Road in peak hour/weekends you will find it a very frustrating and dangerous at times. I don't really want to rehash the argument but it worked perfectly fine when you could catch the bus/walk to Rundle Mall and or Hindmarsh Square, but you know we gotta keep the yuppies happy :)