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Groucho
12 Jul 2002, 19:48
I'm probably a bit old for this section of the forum but I just gotta know something. I've been wandering around listening to a bit of tripleM and there seems to me to be a few,how should I put this, "God rock" groups getting regular airplay. I could be wrong but are "Live" and "Creed" Christian bands? There may be others but I think it's very sinister and is surely the antithisis of all that I used to love about rock in the,well,a while ago! More vigilance is needed to crush these interlopers! The last thing a teen needs is to have Southern Baptist philosophies preached to them in 12 bar!
TheSheik
12 Jul 2002, 20:24
To add insult to injury Groucho, there is a form of heavy metal called (I think) "Christian Metal". Love to see a double bill with one of these nice well mannered metal bands and the old demon worshippers Black Sabbath.
Macca19
12 Jul 2002, 20:56
Why does it matter what they believe in??
Originally posted by TheSheik
To add insult to injury Groucho, there is a form of heavy metal called (I think) "Christian Metal". Love to see a double bill with one of these nice well mannered metal bands and the old demon worshippers Black Sabbath.
In the 80s, Stryper and Baren Cross led the front of that scene. Never really listened to Stryper, as they bee-suits put me off BIG TIME but they had commercial success for a while in the US, so they probably weren't the worst band around. I have a couple of tapes of Barren Cross, and while the preaching is VERY annoying (especially in banter between songs on the live album!), they had a pretty good sound were a decent hard rock band on their own merits.
Mortification is a Melbourne band which has been fairly prominent in Australian death metal circles for about 10 years. Singer/guitarist Steve Rowe also had a side project called Paramaecium, of which I have an albumn recorded about 1992, and it is one of the heaviest ****ing CDs in my big bad collection.
While the message doesn't have any impact on me, and the preaching is annoying, most of these bands are very good at what they do musically and if anything, the Christian angle works as a stigma instead of a gimmick.
Woodson
13 Jul 2002, 12:43
Originally posted by Darky
While the message doesn't have any impact on me, and the preaching is annoying, most of these bands are very good at what they do musically and if anything, the Christian angle works as a stigma instead of a gimmick.
Agreed....never appreciated the lyrics/preaching...music sounded great but the voice of the lead singer (Stryper) was weeny for my liking.
I don't have a problem with Queen whatsoever.
lioness
13 Jul 2002, 14:08
Originally posted by Macca19
Why does it matter what they believe in??
Exactly. It doesn't, IMO.
Savatage
13 Jul 2002, 14:24
Originally posted by Macca19
Why does it matter what they believe in??
It doesn't matter what they believe in. The issue that a lot of people have is that the lyrics are preachy. Over the top preachy at that. In cases such as Creed I guess it isn't as bad, but the really extreme bands of this genre get really annoying.
go team
13 Jul 2002, 16:00
listening to creed...you poor thing
go out and buy a black rebel motorcycle club cd. They know how to rock
pedrothelioness
13 Jul 2002, 17:45
Theres also alot of God bands in hardcore, adelaide has embodiment 12:14, theres zoa in the states, shelter,a few in the pop punk genre, like mxpx, the singer from julianna theory who used to be zoa.
I'm non religious, and tend not to listen to any bands preachin about god, though i did like shelter, though it was more from an ifinity with youth of today and gorilla biscuits.
Each to their own, and they aint forcin you to buy their records.
PrincessPark
14 Jul 2002, 01:45
For me Live, Creed, Coldplay, Alex Lloyd etc. all come under the genre of "drainer rock". In that it is draining to listen to.
Originally posted by pedrothelioness
Theres also alot of God bands in hardcore, adelaide has embodiment 12:14, theres zoa in the states, shelter,a few in the pop punk genre, like mxpx, the singer from julianna theory who used to be zoa.
I'm non religious, and tend not to listen to any bands preachin about god, though i did like shelter, though it was more from an ifinity with youth of today and gorilla biscuits.
Each to their own, and they aint forcin you to buy their records.
I once heard that the guy behind 'Pedro the Lion' was a Christian too. Likewise, Moby has been touted as being a Christian as well.
Originally posted by Stocka
I once heard that the guy behind 'Pedro the Lion' was a Christian too. Likewise, Moby has been touted as being a Christian as well.
I don't know anything about the people you just mentioned so this comment isn't about them specifically, but there is a difference between artists being Christians, and them singing all their songs about Christianity.
I'd say most artists have some sort of religious affiliation, but there are only a few that make it a large part of their careers. Dave Mustaine of Megadeth has been a devout Jehovas Witness for the last 10 years or so, and in interviews pays lots of credit to his faith for keeping him alive and semi-balanced as an individual, and for keeping him positive about his band for so long (until they recently split up). But in Megadeth's nine studio albums, I can't recall (off the top of my head) any songs about religion, except Holy Wars which is more about the politics of religion, applied to the seemingly eternal unrest in the Middle East.
So Dave Mustaine is very much a Christian, but it's not very evident from his songs. Similarly, David Lee Roth doesn't write songs about being Jewish.
BomberGal
14 Jul 2002, 16:32
Just like the people who listen to Eminem, Korn, Limp Bizkit etc, who aren't stupid enough to actually believe in what the lyrics are saying, those of us that listen to these bands don't go around acting as if these lyrics are the bible (excuse the pun). Besides, should it matter what a band sings about anyway? If that's what they believe in, what they want to sing about, then that's fair enough.
By the way, Creed are for a fact, not a Christian band. (Neither are Lifehouse, contrary to popular belief! :D)
Originally posted by Darky
I don't know anything about the people you just mentioned so this comment isn't about them specifically, but there is a difference between artists being Christians, and them singing all their songs about Christianity.
I guess it all depends on how personal the songs/music are, that the songwriter/musician is producing.
Even for songs that aren't 'religious' (in the manner of promoting a particular religion), they may still reflect upon the person's religion, or the interaction between the person's beliefs and events happening in their life.
Personally, it's personal songs (or pieces of music) like this, that I find to be more meaningful and insightful, than someone merely producing something which is intended promote one particular belief (or set of beliefs).
Originally posted by Stocka
I guess it all depends on how personal the songs/music are, that the songwriter/musician is producing.
Even for songs that aren't 'religious' (in the manner of promoting a particular religion), they may still reflect upon the person's religion, or the interaction between the person's beliefs and events happening in their life.
Personally, it's personal songs (or pieces of music) like this, that I find to be more meaningful and insightful, than someone merely producing something which is intended promote one particular belief (or set of beliefs).
I agree. Continuing on the Dave Mustaine example, he has written some very introspective songs, especially on the Youthanasia album, about drug abuse, suicide attempts etc... stuff he had done up to that point, and stuff which he proclaims was a thing of the past due to his then-newfound religious outlook. It's a very personal album, and probably the band's best.
But therein lies the point. Let's write personal stuff, rather than manufacture an album of 10 songs about God that do nothing but preach, and push a point.
Defender
14 Jul 2002, 17:34
my fave metal/hard rock christians
Holy Soldier
White Cross - who toured Oz a few times
Shout
Ken Tamplin
Stryper - Soldiers Under Command is a gem
Magdallen
Giant
cant stand the lyrics and in your face message
Savatage
14 Jul 2002, 19:46
Originally posted by BomberGal
By the way, Creed are for a fact, not a Christian band. (Neither are Lifehouse, contrary to popular belief! :D)
Ah I can't speak on behalf of lifehouse, but Creed ARE a Christian band as are P.O.D
Savatage
14 Jul 2002, 19:47
Guardian had a good album a few years back!
Very **** rock 80s style.
Savatage
14 Jul 2002, 19:48
Originally posted by Darky
I agree. Continuing on the Dave Mustaine example, he has written some very introspective songs, especially on the Youthanasia album, about drug abuse, suicide attempts etc... stuff he had done up to that point, and stuff which he proclaims was a thing of the past due to his then-newfound religious outlook. It's a very personal album, and probably the band's best.
But therein lies the point. Let's write personal stuff, rather than manufacture an album of 10 songs about God that do nothing but preach, and push a point.
A Tout Le Monde is a ****ing ripper.
Defender
14 Jul 2002, 20:42
yeah Guardian were great..they toured here a few years ago too..singer Jamie Rowe was asked by Ratt to replace Stephen Pearcy but declined the offer..Jizzy Pearl from Love Hate took the job in the end.
danzy_rocks
15 Jul 2002, 16:47
Originally posted by Groucho
I'm probably a bit old for this section of the forum but I just gotta know something. I've been wandering around listening to a bit of tripleM and there seems to me to be a few,how should I put this, "God rock" groups getting regular airplay. I could be wrong but are "Live" and "Creed" Christian bands? There may be others but I think it's very sinister and is surely the antithisis of all that I used to love about rock in the,well,a while ago! More vigilance is needed to crush these interlopers! The last thing a teen needs is to have Southern Baptist philosophies preached to them in 12 bar!
I honestly don't see how it matters what relgion a band are, or if they sing about God or whatever. It's their choice. If you don't want to hear their music praising God, then don't listen to it.
If you think Creed's a band wihch praises God and such... then check out U2's album October. Great album.
Originally posted by go team
go out and buy a black rebel motorcycle club cd. They know how to rock
Do as go team says, these guys are awesome!
I don't hate Creed for being Christians. You could tell me Black Rebel or Radiohead were devout mormons and I would still love 'em! Religion is not an issue.
The music that I think you are referring to is grinding over the top rock, that makes Bardot's music appear to be un-formulaic! "Drainer" rock is a great description (thanks PrincessPark) that Creed, Nickleback, Live et. al. fall into.
Pretty much all new rock played on Tripple M is of this poor taste, hence I never listen to the jokers!
Santos L Helper
15 Jul 2002, 18:07
Originally posted by Defender
my fave metal/hard rock christians
Holy Soldier
White Cross - who toured Oz a few times
Shout
Ken Tamplin
Stryper - Soldiers Under Command is a gem
Magdallen
Giant
cant stand the lyrics and in your face message
What about the bands from the 'Tooth and Nail' record label?
The problem with christian bands and their message is that they are so self righteous about it. No sense of humour and a belief that no-one else has any idea of what it's like to be happy or fullfilled.
BomberGal
15 Jul 2002, 20:12
Originally posted by Savatage
Ah I can't speak on behalf of lifehouse, but Creed ARE a Christian band as are P.O.D
:confused: I read a thing, interview or something, by Creed, which stated they weren't a Christian band, despite what their name suggests. *shrugs*
Originally posted by Savatage
but Creed ARE a Christian band as are P.O.D
And they're both shyte. Coincidence?!?
Defender
15 Jul 2002, 23:23
Originally posted by Santos L Helper
What about the bands from the 'Tooth and Nail' record label?
The problem with christian bands and their message is that they are so self righteous about it. No sense of humour and a belief that no-one else has any idea of what it's like to be happy or fullfilled.
dont know the tooth and nail label? just know the dokken album
hows when stryper had to kick out bass player timothy gaines for a week cos he was convicted of drink driving.....that holy tribunal are pretty tough with the one week penalty...and disqualified from the christian brownlow too..but he repented for his sins god took him back into the band..more bibles were thrown out
maybe Nathan can repent for his sins..and throw bibles out to the faithful ..blinded by the light? its a miracle!!!
The_Flying_Egg
16 Jul 2002, 01:53
Originally posted by BomberGal
:confused: I read a thing, interview or something, by Creed, which stated they weren't a Christian band, despite what their name suggests. *shrugs*
From what I've read Creed always deny being a Christian band, but a lot of people think its cool to bag them for being a Christian band anyway
I don't give a darn, Creed and Live are 2 of the best bands in the world
Santos L Helper
16 Jul 2002, 11:10
Originally posted by Defender
dont know the tooth and nail label? just know the dokken album
hows when stryper had to kick out bass player timothy gaines for a week cos he was convicted of drink driving.....that holy tribunal are pretty tough with the one week penalty...and disqualified from the christian brownlow too..but he repented for his sins god took him back into the band..more bibles were thrown out
maybe Nathan can repent for his sins..and throw bibles out to the faithful ..blinded by the light? its a miracle!!!
If you ever get the chance check out 'The Crucified'. Amazing to think that christians could rock like this...............this is HARDCORE!! Pity about the lyrics, but you can hardly understand them anyway, and their stuff is full of killer riffs and fast as HELL. ;)
pedrothelioness
16 Jul 2002, 12:30
One of my favourite bands are christian, though it doesnt come out too much in their music, just in interviews. Theyre coalesce and theyre brutal hardcore..aswell the singer to a fav band of mine nathan from boy sets fire, is a gay christian (both hard to find in the h/c scene) wasnt till i saw em live in berlin that there were any sorta christian conatations with him/the band.
Originally posted by Defender
maybe Nathan can repent for his sins..and throw bibles out to the faithful ..blinded by the light? its a miracle!!!
There's another one.
You are a Loser of the highest order!
Savatage
16 Jul 2002, 14:41
Originally posted by M29
And they're both shyte. Coincidence?!?
Shyte is a compliment.
SydneyBomber
17 Jul 2002, 20:29
Originally posted by Darky
It's a very personal album, and probably the band's best.
:eek:
Darky? WTF dude? Here I was thinking you had taste?!;)
Dave's music turned to garbage when he started the God stuff!
He was so much more interesting when he was a f uckup!
I can remember thinking Vengeance Rising (Xian Death Metal) were pretty heavy when I first heard them, and then I saw an interview with their singer, who carried on like Jerry Falwell.
Erm, no thanks.
Keep God out of music!!!
;)
Originally posted by Darky
Never really listened to Stryper,
They were a hot band.....shame about the lyrics and their "religious zeal".
They did an Australian Tour and played at Festival Hall in Melbourne. Part of their show was throwing bibles out into the crowd.
Originally posted by Groucho
I'm probably a bit old for this section of the forum
I guarantee no one is older than me here :)
Originally posted by Groucho
is surely the antithisis of all that I used to love about rock in the,well,a while ago! More vigilance is needed to crush these interlopers!
Sorry to tell you the news Groucho, but Rock died several years ago. Once Nirvana and it's cohorts appeared trying to be the "90's punks", then I knew that rock had run out of ideas and originality.
RIP.......
Groucho
19 Jul 2002, 12:22
Originally posted by roofus
Sorry to tell you the news Groucho, but Rock died several years ago. Once Nirvana and it's cohorts appeared trying to be the "90's punks", then I knew that rock had run out of ideas and originality.
RIP.......
Thanks for the sad news roofus. I just hadn't heard! I guess what someone told me years ago was true. There's only so much you can do with 3 chords!
Originally posted by Groucho
Thanks for the sad news roofus. I just hadn't heard! I guess what someone told me years ago was true. There's only so much you can do with 3 chords!
Nirvana branched out and used 4 chords! :eek:
I think grunge was a style and state of mind of its own (ie. not punk). The crap immediately before grunge almost killed rock!
As said by myself and go team said, rock is alive and well in the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club album. Get it.
Originally posted by Defender
White Cross - who toured Oz a few times
Wasn't Dan Huff the guitarist for a while?
He was/is a great guitarist, but has also been involved (producing or session playing) with some shyte bands (IMO!).
Originally posted by FIGJAM
Nirvana branched out and used 4 chords! :eek:
Which song was that?
TheMase
25 Jul 2002, 10:09
Originally posted by BomberGal
By the way, Creed are for a fact, not a Christian band. (
Yes they are ... :confused:
go team
25 Jul 2002, 10:13
either way they're still a **** band
Originally posted by M29
Which song was that?
All of them!
eg. Smells Like Teen Spirit (F, B flat, G#, C#)
Rape Me (A, C, E, G)