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keefriffhard
9 Feb 2008, 17:21
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/sydney-short-of-players/2008/02/08/1202234169845.html

Sydney short of players as new rules bite into options

Richard Hinds | February 9, 2008


THE Sydney Swans could virtually concede defeat in their NAB Cup match against Hawthorn in Launceston on Sunday week by leaving out most of their big-name players because of the new trial rule limiting the number of interchanges.

At least six players who might have been selected for the match under normal conditions - Adam Goodes, Brett Kirk, Craig Bolton, Luke Ablett, Ben Mathews and Jude Bolton - are unlikely to be selected because of fears that they are not yet fit enough to play the extra minutes that would be required under the trial rule restricting clubs to just 16 changes per quarter.

The Swans were already almost certain to be without Barry Hall, Darren Jolly, Michael O'Loughlin, Leo Barry and Tadhg Kennelly, who are on limited training programs, while Peter Everitt and Nic Fosdike are sidelined by injuries suffered during the pre-season, meaning they will be relying on a large contingent of youngsters and rookie listed players.

Coach Paul Roos acknowledged that several senior players would have played part of the match if interchanges were unlimited but some were simply not advanced enough in their preparation to play the extra time the trial rule would demand. The Swans made 84 interchanges in their NAB Cup matches last year, 20 more than the new limit.

"At this time of year it's not really the coach who determines who plays, it's the medical staff," Roos said. "And our advice on some of those players is that they are ready to play 60 or 70 minutes, but not the 100 minutes they might have to play now."

Roos confirmed yesterday that just nine of his regular senior players - Paul Bevan, Lewis Roberts-Thomson, Nick Malceski, Ted Richards, Jarrad McVeigh, Ryan O'Keefe, Amon Buchanan, Nick Davis, and recruit Martin Mattner - were likely to play against Hawthorn.

He also said that the following week he expects to have both Boltons and Kirk, Goodes, Ablett, Mathews, O'Loughlin, Luke Brennan and Jolly ready for selection. Even Hall and Kennelly were a slim chance of playing.
With the Swans fielding a vastly sub-strength line-up against the Hawks it will add further fuel to the already heated debate about the trial rule and the seriousness with which teams take the NAB Cup.

Already Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse has attacked the new rule, claiming it could put players at risk of injury, and Geelong coach Mark Thompson has threatened to flout the rule in his team's first match. If teams do exceed the maximum number of interchanges the opposition is awarded a free kick from the goal square.

The trial rule has been introduced to the pre-season competition in attempt to slow down the game, something the AFL claims could reduce injuries and counter the tactic of defensive flooding. But that theory is at odds with research that shows the number of injuries in recent years had already declined, something many coaches, including Roos, believe is due to players being rotated more often from the interchange bench.

With the trial rule in place there is a growing feeling among some clubs, including the Swans, that they will be better off losing their first-round match this year because the team's eliminated from the official competition then play practice matches under regular-season rules.
That could further erode the credibility of the NAB Cup competition and anger the AFL, which is attempting to promote as a legitimate competition in its own right. This week it was announced prizemoney for the winner would be increased from $220,000 to $385,000.

But even before the interchange trial, the Swans particularly have continued to treat the competition for what it is - a chance to gradually ease players into condition before the real thing.

lethalselbow
9 Feb 2008, 17:24
Would like to win this match.

It ain't over till it's over.

Roughie
9 Feb 2008, 17:40
I would love to see the team win, but this time of the year for coaches is the time to test new things, work out and quirk the game plan and styles.

If we win the game, while playing some fluent football I would be very happy. I am glad both Jolly and Everitt are out, there really should be no excuse to loose this week if this report is true come game day.

keefriffhard
9 Feb 2008, 17:58
Personally I would have liked to have had a reasonable side to play. That way we could all make a proper assesment of some of the recruits we choose to play. Mind you, Sydney rarely play a full strength side this early, so it was always going to provide a skewed form line.

With such a line up, we should make it through and play Port the week after. Can't really see the Blues getting up over the Power.

philhawk
9 Feb 2008, 19:32
Mind you, it'd be pretty embarassing if we lost now ...

Mervyn Beasley
9 Feb 2008, 22:26
Always want to win but love the fact that many clubs and coaches are challenging the AFL and the NAB cup's status.
Make it real and worthwhile or piss it off I reckon.

Carn Hawkas
9 Feb 2008, 23:28
Please no injurys Please no injurys Please no injurys Please no injurys Please no injurys Please no injurys Please no injurys Please no injurys Please no injurys Please no injurys

Winning the double would be great, that extra prize money.

Hawk Glory 08
10 Feb 2008, 08:56
Mind you, it'd be pretty embarassing if we lost now ...
It would be ok if we play a lot of young kids as well. If Muston, Rioli, Tuck, Murphy, Renouf then we could say we were experimenting too.

But lets not think negative, we will smash them and go on too smash either the blues or port.

Play some kids and lets see them play well. I'm excited

bloods01
10 Feb 2008, 09:02
Mind you, it'd be pretty embarassing if we lost now ...

It certainly would. :D

Highly unlikely though. Roos places zero emphasis on the NAB Cup as highlighted by his reluctance to play senior player's. Looking forward to seeing our youngsters have a go anyway.

FriarTuck
10 Feb 2008, 09:29
I am over these sooky la la coaches. Eight on the bench, twenty, minute quarters and allowed 16 interchanges. If you spread the load that would be less than 60 minutes per player.

Of course Roos wont support the AFL and their major sponsor NAB. The swans are a proud independent club, it's not like they survive on handouts.

Every team will rest or manage key players. Roos should show some class and support the comp that so regularly props up his team.

King Patty
10 Feb 2008, 15:28
With all those swans players out I am thinking that the Hawks practice match played on Friday will be of higher quality.

swansrule100
10 Feb 2008, 16:43
I am over these sooky la la coaches. Eight on the bench, twenty, minute quarters and allowed 16 interchanges. If you spread the load that would be less than 60 minutes per player.

Of course Roos wont support the AFL and their major sponsor NAB. The swans are a proud independent club, it's not like they survive on handouts.

Every team will rest or manage key players. Roos should show some class and support the comp that so regularly props up his team.

when are the swans propped up? whats wrong with focusing on the regular season, the nab cup isnt important, roos has done pretty well with the focus he takes into a season

RustyHawk
10 Feb 2008, 20:20
Coaches dont get reappointed over their ability to win NAB cup games.... just ask Dennis.

Next week begins the 5 weeks to the season proper. Roos is right to make sure his best players are cherry ripe in 5 weeks.

The NAB Cup for all its endevours is still only a practice match series dressed up as a poor mans VFA to give the TV stations something for their bucks.

Its too early to have good players busting themselves up. No player wants to go half hearted, therefore better to keep your good players for the competition that counts.

Good on Paul Roos, I just hope we do ok, maybe 2 wins then out.

keefriffhard
10 Feb 2008, 20:49
Good on Paul Roos, I just hope we do ok, maybe 2 wins then out.

I'd like to stay in long enough to avoid trips like the Maggies have to Albany in 2 weeks time.

Spook
10 Feb 2008, 23:31
when are the swans propped up?

WHAT....lol...ROTFLMAO

Are you serious?

Are you younger than 5 years old?

How do you think the Swans were formed mate?

Away games at the SCG!

an extra 15% in the salary cap... FFS the AFL were desperate for the swans to win a flag so to promte Aussie rules in Sydney... not having a go mate but just a fact

FriarTuck
11 Feb 2008, 08:33
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Good on Paul Roos, I just hope we do ok, maybe 2 wins then out.

Every team is in the same position. All are nursing players and all will rest players. He could have just as easily said nothing.

Coaches are there to win games. I have seen very little to suggest they would put the good of the game first. I believe the capping of interchanges should be trialled. It was not that long ago when interchange did not exist and coaches had to roll the dice. It added drama to the game and I see nothing wrong with that.

Dr.J
11 Feb 2008, 09:10
WHAT....lol...ROTFLMAO

Are you serious?

Are you younger than 5 years old?

How do you think the Swans were formed mate?

Away games at the SCG!

an extra 15% in the salary cap... FFS the AFL were desperate for the swans to win a flag so to promte Aussie rules in Sydney... not having a go mate but just a fact

I suspect the original comments may have been somewhat tongue in cheek

KingRich
11 Feb 2008, 10:35
Sydney are a bit of a bogey side.... half strength or not I think it would be good for our group to get a win over them!

swansrule100
12 Feb 2008, 15:26
WHAT....lol...ROTFLMAO

Are you serious?

Are you younger than 5 years old?

How do you think the Swans were formed mate?

Away games at the SCG!

an extra 15% in the salary cap... FFS the AFL were desperate for the swans to win a flag so to promte Aussie rules in Sydney... not having a go mate but just a fact

we dont recieve anyhting know, we had the salary cap to allow for cost of living but that was taken away because other clubs winge.

The afl used the swans to get sunday games in the 80s when they were not allowed to play them in competition to the vfa in melbourne, it helped them overcome that problem. They were given no meaningful assistance then almost died, which meant they end up getting a lot of help, which i admit we did get, but not anymore.

We get a nsw draft pick thats about it these days

away games at the scg were not given to us, other clubs sold them for the money.

I know in the past the swans were helped but they arent now they make a profit, your club has been helped in the past im sure.

Hodgies Heroes
12 Feb 2008, 19:24
we dont recieve anyhting know, we had the salary cap to allow for cost of living but that was taken away because other clubs winge.

The afl used the swans to get sunday games in the 80s when they were not allowed to play them in competition to the vfa in melbourne, it helped them overcome that problem. They were given no meaningful assistance then almost died, which meant they end up getting a lot of help, which i admit we did get, but not anymore.

We get a nsw draft pick thats about it these days

away games at the scg were not given to us, other clubs sold them for the money.

I know in the past the swans were helped but they arent now they make a profit, your club has been helped in the past im sure.

As a part of the announcement of how the money from the 5 year deal from the TV rights Demetriou announced that the AFL will cover the 7% cost of living allowance for Sydney -



Included in this was $440,000 in additional AFL money paid to Swans players to cover the cost-of-living allowance. This represented seven per cent above the salary cap.
Not only do you get more Salary Cap money - but the AFL gives it to you..............

swansrule100
14 Feb 2008, 12:15
As a part of the announcement of how the money from the 5 year deal from the TV rights Demetriou announced that the AFL will cover the 7% cost of living allowance for Sydney -



Included in this was $440,000 in additional AFL money paid to Swans players to cover the cost-of-living allowance. This represented seven per cent above the salary cap.
Not only do you get more Salary Cap money - but the AFL gives it to you..............

yeh but it cant be used to just give goodsey 400 grand extra its a set % for cost of living and acknowledgement that its harder to reatain players in nsw, hardly a handout, or hardly going down and getting games that the tasmanian government guarantee financially.

Roughie
14 Feb 2008, 14:55
yeh but it cant be used to just give goodsey 400 grand extra its a set % for cost of living and acknowledgement that its harder to reatain players in nsw, hardly a handout, or hardly going down and getting games that the tasmanian government guarantee financially.

Come on now, in the last 5 years the turn over of players wanting to leave your club would be very low. You would have a bigger turn over in players wanting to come to play for the swans, then players wanting to leave.