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Crawfomination
9 Feb 2008, 23:43
What is the deal with this guy?
Seems like a likely type who can find the footy and uses it well from the various games I saw him play last year. Is he destined to be your teams 3rd string ruckman or do you feel that he is good enough to cement a spot in another position within the starting 22 for season 08?
My opinion is that he is too good of a player to be left playing reserves while waiting for an injury to happen to Sandi or Warnock. He could easily be used as a running winger as he is athletic or as a half back type.
Do you think Harvey has plans for this kid in season 08 or will he just be left waiting for a game like connolly used him.
Interested to see what ya'll think about this kid.
Yeh I sure hope he gets a regular game. Seems to get a heap of possessions and gets us moving in the right direction. And someone of his size and athletic ability is hard to match up on in the midfield.
There was some talk why he couldn't get a game was that he was unaccountable and wouldn't follow team instructions. But when he was made a ruckman last year the role suited him perfectly cos he could run where he liked and didn't have to be very accountable (as ruckman tend to go there separate ways after a ruck knock) and was very damaging.
Sman-21
10 Feb 2008, 00:56
I think the only real spot for him is starting everygame on the bench.
If 1 of our ruckman arent performing he can replace him in ruck.
If someone in midfield is injured or playing crap he can replace them.
Just put him on bench an play him wherever hes needed
Rabbitoh
10 Feb 2008, 11:35
I thought he was an ordinary player until last season, where someone musta put a rocket up him. He became accountable, could play anywhere, and had a pretty long kick on him, although that needs some fine tuning to hit the targets everytime. Got a pretty big frame on him but has great bursts of speed ala Chris Judd. Although not up there in the league of Judd as a player, I reckon a midfield/ bench role for all 22 games would suit him and the gameplan perfectly. Thre more gametime this bloke gets , the more confident he gets. One to watch in '08.
I agree Rabbitoh. He seems to find himself in space with the ball in his hands (often, it seems, to his own suprise), and he's not afraid to run. Confidence is the key - gametime.
I thought he was an ordinary player until last season, where someone musta put a rocket up him. He became accountable, could play anywhere, and had a pretty long kick on him, although that needs some fine tuning to hit the targets everytime. Got a pretty big frame on him but has great bursts of speed ala Chris Judd. Although not up there in the league of Judd as a player, I reckon a midfield/ bench role for all 22 games would suit him and the gameplan perfectly. Thre more gametime this bloke gets , the more confident he gets. One to watch in '08.
Agree 100% Rabbitoh.
He suddenly went from one of our most derided players to a player that was having an influence on games in a twinkling of an eye.
Confidence is a funny thing. Gilmore was pretty consistent at Sowf, but just couldn't produce it the top level....then bingo!!
I would hate to see Harvs use him as a 3rd string ruck,(and I don't think he will), because I think this kid could become a very handy midfielder for us.
If he continues his form into '08 as a mid he could put to bed the argument of which defender,(Mundy, MJ etc), we rotate through the centre.
He is hard to match up on and could well provide a lot of teams plenty of headaches this year.
chook2734
10 Feb 2008, 18:39
His biggest weakness is his decision making. Seems to make the right choice when he acts on instinct, but regularly stuffs it up when he stops to think about it. Also needs to learn to use his long kick more to his (and the team's) advantage. Will need to take a pretty big step up to cement a spot in the starting 18 for mine.
sabre_ac
10 Feb 2008, 19:23
His biggest weakness is his decision making. Seems to make the right choice when he acts on instinct, but regularly stuffs it up when he stops to think about it. Also needs to learn to use his long kick more to his (and the team's) advantage. Will need to take a pretty big step up to cement a spot in the starting 18 for mine.
Worst decision maker in our side...
I agree however with the main comments, the guy has definitely come a long way in one season.
With Sandilands to return who looses their spot to Gilmore?
His biggest weakness is his decision making. Seems to make the right choice when he acts on instinct, but regularly stuffs it up when he stops to think about it. Also needs to learn to use his long kick more to his (and the team's) advantage. Will need to take a pretty big step up to cement a spot in the starting 18 for mine.
Oh please...you're just pumping up Mark Johnson's tyres!;):D
Gilmores weaknesses were plain for all to see for a very long time at the top level.
However, I think he showed that his disposal flaws were more based on a lack of confidence,(instinct feeds off a high level of confidence), at the top level, rather than a lack of a footy brain or skill.
I might be wrong, but I reckon this kid has a decent footy career ahead of him.
chook2734
10 Feb 2008, 20:13
Oh please...you're just pumping up Mark Johnson's tyres!;):D
MJ MKII's tyres don't need any pumping - he'll show why Harv's was so keen to get him in the purple against the weagles next week. :D
Gilmores weaknesses were plain for all to see for a very long time at the top level.
However, I think he showed that his disposal flaws were more based on a lack of confidence,(instinct feeds off a high level of confidence), at the top level, rather than a lack of a footy brain or skill.
I might be wrong, but I reckon this kid has a decent footy career ahead of him.
Agreed that the weakness has been there for all to see for a long time, and that's where my hesitation on him making it comes from. He's not 20 or 21 and working on these issues, he's 25 and still has the same problems he's had since he started. He has the capability to make the correct decisions and the skills to deliver with precision, he just thinks about it too much. I just don't see where he fits into the 22 on a regular basis.
fat wombat
10 Feb 2008, 20:31
That's absolute rubish, chook and sabre... The guy needs to be backed in! He's a confidence player!
dominguez
10 Feb 2008, 20:49
Depth player at best and certainly not in my best 25. We have several players that can play the same role as Gilmore but have more class.
MJ MKII's tyres don't need any pumping - he'll show why Harv's was so keen to get him in the purple against the weagles next week. :D
Agreed that the weakness has been there for all to see for a long time, and that's where my hesitation on him making it comes from. He's not 20 or 21 and working on these issues, he's 25 and still has the same problems he's had since he started. He has the capability to make the correct decisions and the skills to deliver with precision, he just thinks about it too much. I just don't see where he fits into the 22 on a regular basis.
Some people take longer to mature than others.
I'm almost 43 and some might say that I carry on like a 13 year old at times......(nice opening for dbt, GJ and Memories there).:thumbsu:
The question that yourself and Sabre raise about his spot in the 22 is an interesting one.
However, considering that our midfield has long been considered our achilles heel.....
Which it quite frankly is.
It is comforting to know that there is someone hopefully, (if he continues his '07 form), breathing down their necks.
A bit like your buddy.....who I do rate quite highly.:thumbsu:
We can't hope to be a flag threat by following the same path as before.
Changes will be made and the old automatic selections will actually have to earn their place.
Harvs has said that and I applaud him for it.
That can only be a good thing.:thumbsu:
fat wombat
10 Feb 2008, 21:04
I'm just glad you guys aren't picking the team week by week!
Seriously, no clue whats so ever!!
Cheetah
10 Feb 2008, 21:34
Happy has always had the tools, just needs a touch of mongrel.
Happy has always had the tools, just needs a touch of mongrel.
That is a very valid point:thumbsu::thumbsu:
A fair few of our players could take that on board.
The mongrel only seems to surface, in some, in Derbies.........(cue all the Eagle nuff nuffs:rolleyes:).
We have shown that we have the capacity to beat anyone.
I honestly think that Harvey is instilling that belief for the whole season.
OK...I will admit it.....I am excited about this year.:thumbsu:
chook2734
10 Feb 2008, 22:18
Some people take longer to mature than others.
I'm almost 43 and some might say that I carry on like a 13 year old at times......(nice opening for dbt, GJ and Memories there).:thumbsu:
The question that yourself and Sabre raise about his spot in the 22 is an interesting one.
However, considering that our midfield has long been considered our achilles heel.....
Which it quite frankly is.
It is comforting to know that there is someone hopefully, (if he continues his '07 form), breathing down their necks.
A bit like your buddy.....who I do rate quite highly.:thumbsu:
We can't hope to be a flag threat by following the same path as before.
Changes will be made and the old automatic selections will actually have to earn their place.
Harvs has said that and I applaud him for it.
That can only be a good thing.:thumbsu:
All things going well there should be more competition for spots in the 22 than ever before. If Gilmore can get one, I'm sure he will have earnt it and no doubt can bring some very good (and needed) qualities to the team. My reservations are mostly due to the fact that so far in his career the only time he's managed a regular game is as a make-shift ruckman when there's been no one else available.
dominguez
10 Feb 2008, 22:47
I'm just glad you guys aren't picking the team week by week!
Seriously, no clue whats so ever!!
What 4 players would you select Gilmore ahead of?
Hayden McPharlin Grover
Black Dodd Mi. Johnson
Peake Crowley Mundy
Headland Tarrant Solomon
Farmer Pavlich Bell
Ruck- Sandi Hase Josh
Int- Schammer Warnock Matt Carr Mark Johnson
Em- Thornton McManus Foster
I'd even consider Mayne, Palmer, Brock and Ibbo ahead of Gilmore if I was picking the side depending on their WAFL form, because these guys may become very good AFL players but at 25 Gilmore will always be a very good WAFL player but a handy depth player for Freo.
Shadow Man
10 Feb 2008, 23:01
What 4 players would you select Gilmore ahead of?
Hayden McPharlin Grover
Black Dodd Mi. Johnson
Peake Crowley Mundy
Headland Tarrant Solomon
Farmer Pavlich Bell
Ruck- Sandi Hase Josh
Int- Schammer Warnock Matt Carr Mark Johnson
Em- Thornton McManus Foster
I'd even consider Mayne, Palmer, Brock and Ibbo ahead of Gilmore if I was picking the side depending on their WAFL form, because these guys may become very good AFL players but at 25 Gilmore will always be a very good WAFL player but a handy depth player for Freo.
Which 4?
Whichever 4 he's in better form than, its that simple? No one should be guaranteed spots and if they aren't we'll have a good season.
Happy has proven he can contribute and if he continues to do so, he'll get games.
It ain't rocket science!
Which 4?
Whichever 4 he's in better form than, its that simple? No one should be guaranteed spots and if they aren't we'll have a good season.
Happy has proven he can contribute and if he continues to do so, he'll get games.
It ain't rocket science!
Amen to that brother.:thumbsu:
Sorry dom....but your list is based on past performance.......that isn't going to happen anymore I hope!
Mind you, it is kinda nice to be arguing about how a player will FIT IN to our list.
Instead of arguing about who will fill a gap!!:thumbsu::)
Keyser Soze
10 Feb 2008, 23:33
That is a very valid point:thumbsu::thumbsu:
A fair few of our players could take that on board.
The mongrel only seems to surface, in some, in Derbies.........(cue all the Eagle nuff nuffs:rolleyes:).
We have shown that we have the capacity to beat anyone.
I honestly think that Harvey is instilling that belief for the whole season.
OK...I will admit it.....I am excited about this year.:thumbsu:
Well this nuff nuff will bite.:o
I'm pretty sure I have said previously that Freo are capable of playing football that can win them a flag.
Consistency though has always been a problem - other than that 9 game winning streak in 2006, I think I'm right in saying you have never one more than three games in a row. (No doubt one of you will remind me if I'm wrong).
Ultimately, it's one of the things about Freo that shit me most - the ability to play a blinder against us, when your form either side of a derby can often be garbage (Essendon seem to share this annoying trait).
If Harvey can unlock the key to your consistency then top 4 and maybe more beckons in 2008. If he can't then you may well be looking on as impartial observers in September once again.
On topic, I see Gilmore as a borderline best 22 player and as such will be competing with 8 or 10 other players for the last 5 or 6 places in the team.
dominguez
10 Feb 2008, 23:47
Amen to that brother.:thumbsu:
Sorry dom....but your list is based on past performance.......that isn't going to happen anymore I hope!
What else can we base it on at this time of the year? I'm sure the posters who are talking up Gilmore have made their judgement based on past performances too.
How do you pick a side for round one if it's not based on past performances, remembering that Browne and Walker were our two stand outs in the pre-season games last year. If Bradley and Campbell kick a few bags in the NAB Cup do they play ahead of Pav and Tarrant?
It's not that I think Gilmore's crap, I just think that like Webster he is a handy depth player who can fill a variety of roles but isn't our best option for any of them.
If Gilmore plays round one and plays well I'd be happy for him to stay in the side, but if we have a full list to pick from for round one I don't think he should be in the side. We have far superior options in his 3 roles, HBF, HFF and ruck.
Mind you, it is kinda nice to be arguing about how a player will FIT IN to our list.
Instead of arguing about who will fill a gap!!
Yeah definately. :thumbsu:
Well this nuff nuff will bite.:o
I'm pretty sure I have said previously that Freo are capable of playing football that can win them a flag.
Consistency though has always been a problem - other than that 9 game winning streak in 2006, I think I'm right in saying you have never one more than three games in a row. (No doubt one of you will remind me if I'm wrong).
Ultimately, it's one of the things about Freo that shit me most - the ability to play a blinder against us, when your form either side of a derby can often be garbage (Essendon seem to share this annoying trait).
If Harvey can unlock the key to your consistency then top 4 and maybe more beckons in 2008. If he can't then you may well be looking on as impartial observers in September once again.
On topic, I see Gilmore as a borderline best 22 player and as such will be competing with 8 or 10 other players for the last 5 or 6 places in the team.
SHIT:mad:
Of all the nuff nuffs to enter a thread it had to be you!!( hangover rehydrated;):D)
Consequently, I will retract the nuff nuff trap on this occasion.
You are dead right though when you say this....
Consistency though has always been a problem
It is our MAJOR problem!!
We have the list.....we have the talent....we have the financial security....we have the facilities....we now have the coaching staff....
and hopefully, this year
*crosses fingers*
We will get the respect we deserve!!
estibador
10 Feb 2008, 23:56
Consistency though has always been a problem - other than that 9 game winning streak in 2006, I think I'm right in saying you have never one more than three games in a row. (No doubt one of you will remind me if I'm wrong).
I hate to be that one (;)) but we had a 5 game winning streak in early 2003. I think it was the first time we ever won more than 2 in a row.
What else can we base it on at this time of the year? I'm sure the posters who are talking up Gilmore have made their judgement based on past performances too.
How do you pick a side for round one if it's not based on past performances, remembering that Browne and Walker were our two stand outs in the pre-season games last year. If Bradley and Campbell kick a few bags in the NAB Cup do they play ahead of Pav and Tarrant?
It's not that I think Gilmore's crap, I just think that like Webster he is a handy depth player who can fill a variety of roles but isn't our best option for any of them.
If Gilmore plays round one and plays well I'd be happy for him to stay in the side, but if we have a full list to pick from for round one I don't think he should be in the side. We have far superior options in his 3 roles, HBF, HFF and ruck.
All fair points and respected:thumbsu::)
However Browny and Walker delivered their form in the pre season comp last year.
As any fringe player should when he was eyeing a top 22 spot.
Unfortunately they didn't fire a real shot after that......even in the WAFL if you look at their form overall.
Sadly that didn't seem to affect Walkers selection in the big time however.
Happy shone in the WAFL consistently, and after a few stutters, he eventually shone in the big league as well when the chips were down.
I would also question your reasoning in labelling him purely as a HBF, HFF and ruck option.
I think that the kid will make an ideal big bodied mid myself:thumbsu: Some of his second effort work after the tap were exceptional last year!
Keyser Soze
11 Feb 2008, 00:28
and hopefully, this year
*crosses fingers*
We will get the respect we deserve!!
As you would well know respect is earnt, it does not come for free.
I hate to be that one (;)) but we had a 5 game winning streak in early 2003. I think it was the first time we ever won more than 2 in a row.
Not surprised it was you esti, but if it wasn't you it would've been Ripper, or IP, or......
Funnily enough, the fact it was in 2003 reinforces the consistency bit - the two years you have managed to put together a decent string of wins, you have made the finals.
dominguez
11 Feb 2008, 00:33
Happy shone in the WAFL consistently, and after a few stutters, he eventually shone in the big league as well when the chips were down.
I would also question your reasoning in labelling him purely as a HBF, HFF and ruck option.
I think that the kid will make an ideal big bodied mid myself:thumbsu: Some of his second effort work after the tap were exceptional last year!
I guess time will tell if Gilmore will make it as a bona fide midfielder. The fact that he was opposed to a 200cm ruckman most weeks made him look good inside the square last season IMO. If his ball winning ability was top notch he'd play purely as a midfielder for South's but even at WAFL level he tends to play an outside game.
I hope you're right though.
pinkus maximus
11 Feb 2008, 01:58
he's not in my best 22 ATM
Sandi and big knockers have the ruk postions sewn up and I have Palmer ahead of him for a HF/wing position. also Peake will be back from a long lay-off and Des is supposedly going to spend more time in the middle
fat wombat
11 Feb 2008, 03:31
At this stage of year there should be no one in the side. You play pre-season matches and the side is built based on form.
All official pre-season matches are yet to be played and I fail to see why people are already predicting form of players. The variables are very different with a new coach comes a different game plan. Some it will suit well, others it wont.
New Wallabies coach Robbie Deans sums it up beautifully when he says he'll throw egos out the window and start from scratch.
Gilmore has been knocked in the past as being one of those players that is uncoachable, however Harvey has worked pretty hard on him over the summer and he seems to be responding well to him.
estibador
11 Feb 2008, 04:24
At this stage of year there should be no one in the side.
Probably safe to pencil Pav in though.
NiGHTFuRY
11 Feb 2008, 05:17
Just got of skynet with the Brockinator....
He said it's cool to give Gilmore another shot seeing as he really started to hurt the oppositons in games late last year.:thumbsu:
That is all....;)
ImperialPurple
11 Feb 2008, 08:38
As you would well know respect is earnt, it does not come for free.
Not surprised it was you esti, but if it wasn't you it would've been Ripper, or IP, or......
Funnily enough, the fact it was in 2003 reinforces the consistency bit - the two years you have managed to put together a decent string of wins, you have made the finals.
We've done 5 in a row twice actually... not sure which other year it was but I'll get back to you on that one. :)
We've done 5 in a row twice actually... not sure which other year it was but I'll get back to you on that one. :)
2005 .
We did 4 in a row in 2004
ImperialPurple
11 Feb 2008, 08:57
Yep - Rds 15-19 2005 (5); Rds 3-7 2004 (4).
Keyser Soze
11 Feb 2008, 09:19
Consistency though has always been a problem - other than that 9 game winning streak in 2006, I think I'm right in saying you have never one more than three games in a row. (No doubt one of you will remind me if I'm wrong).
I hate to be that one (;)) but we had a 5 game winning streak in early 2003. I think it was the first time we ever won more than 2 in a row.
Not surprised it was you esti, but if it wasn't you it would've been Ripper, or IP, or......
Funnily enough, the fact it was in 2003 reinforces the consistency bit - the two years you have managed to put together a decent string of wins, you have made the finals.
We've done 5 in a row twice actually... not sure which other year it was but I'll get back to you on that one. :)
2005 .
We did 4 in a row in 2004
Oh dear, what have I done.:o
I'll just run away and hide for a while after that effort.
It might pay to check first in future, I guess.:)
ImperialPurple
11 Feb 2008, 09:22
relax keyser - we missed the finals in both those years, so it's not as if these winning streaks contributed to greater achievements... :o
Oh dear, what have I done.:o
I'll just run away and hide for a while after that effort.
It might pay to check first in future, I guess.:)
Now where did I put that pwned picture?
Keyser Soze
11 Feb 2008, 10:42
Now where did I put that pwned picture?
At least I can get people's usernames right.;)
At least I can get people's usernames right.;)
:D;)
You didn't run away and hide for very long.
Have you no shame?
DockerNJL
11 Feb 2008, 10:54
Depth player at best and certainly not in my best 25. We have several players that can play the same role as Gilmore but have more class.
sorry dom but do not agree on this at all, back him in 100% and watch him win us games.
dugrene
11 Feb 2008, 11:44
He was in our top 22 end of '06 until he did a hammy.
Made our team early in '07 and got the sacrificial lamb treatment.
Personally i couldnt believe how many supposedly knowledgeable posters caned him for doing no worse as far decision making or spraying a kick than the rest of the team.
The maggots also where on his case every time he looked an opponent he gave a free away.
CC went down the popularist path and dropped him.
As of this year he should be fully developed mentally and physically. He is big, strong, quick, has spring, can take a grab and kick long, being a lefty is also a bonus.
Did ok in the Brownlows iirc.
Top 22 for mine.:thumbsu:
Slacker
11 Feb 2008, 12:18
Top 22 for mine.:thumbsu:
x2:thumbsu:
peppy la pew
11 Feb 2008, 16:28
I see Gilmore as a poor mans Goodes, has tonnes of potential yet hasn't delivered.
If Harvey backs him in this year, then maybe he will take the next step
C'mon Roundy, get those meds into you and show some love :)
Roundhouse
11 Feb 2008, 16:43
I see Gilmore as a poor mans Goodes, has tonnes of potential yet hasn't delivered.
If Harvey backs him in this year, then maybe he will take the next step
C'mon Roundy, get those meds into you and show some love :)
For Gilmore? I want to see him well, I really do.
I just think that placing Goodes-like (even poor mans Goodes-like) expectations on a 25 year old who has been in system so long is raising the bar a bit too high.
15 or so solid games in 08 would amount to Gilmore's best season so far. I thinking expecting any more, is expecting a bit too much.
I guess we can only hope though.
peppy la pew
11 Feb 2008, 17:02
When i say "poor mans Goodes", i guess i'm looking at body type and the bursts he is capable of.
The skill level unfortunately doesn't enter into it,
This year may well be shit or bust for him, fingers crossed *
ImperialPurple
11 Feb 2008, 17:14
Not really relevant to the discussion, but seeing as Dan's-the-Man in question, here's a great photo of him in action. :thumbsu:
http://www.gspimages.com.au/images/thumbs/main/14092.jpg
dominguez
11 Feb 2008, 17:17
I see Gilmore as a poor mans Goodes, has tonnes of potential yet hasn't delivered.
If Harvey backs him in this year, then maybe he will take the next step
Or a poor mans Michael Johnson.
Or a poor mans David Mundy.
Or a poor mans Des Headland.
peppy la pew
11 Feb 2008, 18:04
Absolute no comparison to Mundy or Des, i was more looking at body types.
Not really relevant to the discussion, but seeing as Dan's-the-Man in question, here's a great photo of him in action. :thumbsu:
http://www.gspimages.com.au/images/thumbs/main/14092.jpg
I notice that you haven't offered an opinion on this topic IP.
As you are our Queen, and one our most respected posters, this humble serf requests your judgement on the young man in question.
Very nice photo as well Your Majesty.
If I may be so bold, it reminds me of when I used to play.
Only I was generally about 2, make that 3, feet closer to the ground than our Happy and about 5% as fit with 3% of his skills.:(
Forgive me your grace for my indulgence.:o
prattsta
11 Feb 2008, 18:29
Daniel Gilmore is the homeless man's Adam Goodes.
dominguez
11 Feb 2008, 19:10
Absolute no comparison to Mundy or Des, i was more looking at body types.
My point was that they are all outside players who run all day but that Johnson, Mundy and Headland have superior skills.
The Headland comparison is a valid one though. Happy is an inch taller but they are both quick, outside players who look to kick long and don't take many contested marks. Dessie is better at ground level and a much better tackler but neither of them have the quick hands required to be succesful onballers IMO.
peppy la pew
11 Feb 2008, 20:10
My point was that they are all outside players who run all day but that Johnson, Mundy and Headland have superior skills.
The Headland comparison is a valid one though. Happy is an inch taller but they are both quick, outside players who look to kick long and don't take many contested marks. Dessie is better at ground level and a much better tackler but neither of them have the quick hands required to be succesful onballers IMO.
After reading that dom i see where you are coming from, although it is fair to say that neither Mundy or Des can pinch hit in the ruck.
In saying that i would put those three ahead of Gilly any day, to play a midfield role.
Although it has to be said, that some people on this board regard Mundy as soft :)
Is Gilmore in that bracket ?
dominguez
11 Feb 2008, 20:29
Although it has to be said, that some people on this board regard Mundy as soft :)
Is Gilmore in that bracket ?
I certainly wouldn't consider Gilly hard, but I've never seen him pull the handbrake. A lot of players his size wouldn't be keen to contest ruck duels but he doesn't seem to mind going head to head with guys who are 5 inches taller and 10 kilos heavier. :thumbsu:
My point was that they are all outside players who run all day but that Johnson, Mundy and Headland have superior skills.
The Headland comparison is a valid one though. Happy is an inch taller but they are both quick, outside players who look to kick long and don't take many contested marks. Dessie is better at ground level and a much better tackler but neither of them have the quick hands required to be succesful onballers IMO.
You probably haven't seen the South Africa game versus Carlton. Headland is every chance to be our number 1 midfielder this season. His inside work was exceptional. If he was in the vicinity, we cleared the ball. Schammer and Headland combined unbelievably well.
Sman-21
12 Feb 2008, 01:05
If we are picking the best 22 for set positions gilmore doesnt come close
thats why i say he is a perfect bench player an should be on there every game(unless poor form)
Instead of putting a matt carr on bench or a small running midfielder we go with gilmore, he can do a job as a midfielder if needed,ruckman pretty much anywhere wherever hes needed he can play.
So by having him on bench we got a multi positionable player instead of a specialist player who can only fill 1 role.
I think harvey wont put up with the lack of focus an effort from fremantle that has plagued them.
Only thing that worries me is with so many tough nuts on the coaching panel, we may be going to play the game too hard and that will end up in free kicks to the other teams.
8 out of 10 times umps see abit of rough hard football an they will give free kicks because they want the game to become soft.
Yeah incase u cant tell about this noob yet I hate how soft the game is becoming and how over umpired it is.
theGav56
12 Feb 2008, 11:36
You probably haven't seen the South Africa game versus Carlton. Headland is every chance to be our number 1 midfielder this season. His inside work was exceptional. If he was in the vicinity, we cleared the ball. Schammer and Headland combined unbelievably well.
I haven't seen the SA game, so am interested to hear that he was played in that role. However, no matter how well he did in it, I don't think Headland as a bottom of the pack player is the best use of his skills. He needs to have that ability and be encouraged to use it when required. But a line breaking mid-fielder who receives the ball from the likes of Hasleby, Carr and Schammer is the go for Headland and the team's needs.
What Headland, Mundy, Johnson and Gilmore do have in common, is that they are long, accurate kicks. Gilmore tends to travel a bit too high, and he is very one sided with his kicking. But his kick is definitely a weapon. Add into that group Black, and we have a fair armoury of players with penetrating kicks that can make our forward line lethal, and contribute to the scoreboard as well. Anyone of them running forward from half -back/wing would create a very nervous opposition.
I haven't seen the SA game, so am interested to hear that he was played in that role. However, no matter how well he did in it, I don't think Headland as a bottom of the pack player is the best use of his skills. He needs to have that ability and be encouraged to use it when required. But a line breaking mid-fielder who receives the ball from the likes of Hasleby, Carr and Schammer is the go for Headland and the team's needs.
What Headland, Mundy, Johnson and Gilmore do have in common, is that they are long, accurate kicks. Gilmore tends to travel a bit too high, and he is very one sided with his kicking. But his kick is definitely a weapon. Add into that group Black, and we have a fair armoury of players with penetrating kicks that can make our forward line lethal, and contribute to the scoreboard as well. Anyone of them running forward from half -back/wing would create a very nervous opposition.
I saw the last quarter.
Des was quite good I thought...disposal was excellent, and he looks fitter than last year.
Scahmmer was the revelation in what I saw...always seemed to be where the ball was.
peppy la pew
12 Feb 2008, 13:34
I saw the last quarter.
Des was quite good I thought...disposal was excellent, and he looks fitter than last year.
Scahmmer was the revelation in what I saw...always seemed to be where the ball was.
Same here only caught the 4th qtr, Schammer looked solid
You Mods...can't be trusted :D
ImperialPurple
12 Feb 2008, 17:21
I notice that you haven't offered an opinion on this topic IP.
As you are our Queen, and one our most respected posters, this humble serf requests your judgement on the young man in question.
Very nice photo as well Your Majesty.
If I may be so bold, it reminds me of when I used to play.
Only I was generally about 2, make that 3, feet closer to the ground than our Happy and about 5% as fit with 3% of his skills.:(
Forgive me your grace for my indulgence.:o
They're all my favourites bushie - and they all deserve a game every week. ;)
OK - that's a cop-out. :o
[oh and BTW - get orf it mate.... :p]
Look, I don't really know. There are times he frustrates the shyte out of me with his rabbit in the headlights look... but that has happened less and less in the past couple of years. I also think that his skills have improved as has his decision making, in that he is less likley to just drop it on the boot and bomb it in with a deep breath, eyes closed and "fingers crossed it gets to a guy in purple".
I think in a perfect world with no injuries and a full squad of 44 to choose from each week, he would get squeezed out by those who are actually better at all the different things than him... but given that it's not a perfect world and that we will have injuries to deal with, and he can play a variety of positions (he has developed into a good utility with pace, height, strength, decent skills and a "raking left foot"), then he will play a fair few games this season, and play them quite well. He will give his all each week, play like his career depends on each game he plays, and we will all be grateful for his versatility and ability to play wherever he is needed. :)
poshman
12 Feb 2008, 17:25
They're all my favourites bushie - and they all deserve a game every week. ;)
OK - that's a cop-out. :o
[oh and BTW - get orf it mate.... :p]
Look, I don't really know. There are times he frustrates the shyte out of me with his rabbit in the headlights look... but that has happened less and less in the past couple of years. I also think that his skills have improved as has his decision making, in that he is less likley to just drop it on the boot and bomb it in with a deep breath, eyes closed and "fingers crossed it gets to a guy in purple".
I think in a perfect world with no injuries and a full squad of 44 to choose from each week, he would get squeezed out by those who are actually better at all the different things than him... but given that it's not a perfect world and that we will have injuries to deal with, and he can play a variety of positions (he has developed into a good utility with pace, height, strength, decent skills and a "raking left foot"), then he will play a fair few games this season, and play them quite well. He will give his all each week, play like his career depends on each game he plays, and we will all be grateful for his versatility and ability to play wherever he is needed. :)
mmmm sounds almost blog like doesn't it?:D
estibador
12 Feb 2008, 17:29
They're all my favourites bushie - and they all deserve a game every week. ;)
We'd never lose a game if you were coach IP.
We could put 5 guys on Jono Brown and still have enough left over to have 13 loose men in defense. :)
chook2734
12 Feb 2008, 20:37
esti, your thread on the curse of the Beacon reminded me of another curse that has been with us since the early days, and one that is the natural enemy of Daniel Gilmore - the Curse of Daniel.
Daniel Parker
Daniel Hargraves
Daniel Schell
Daniel Metropolis
Daniel Bandy
Daniel Haines
All have fallen victim to the Curse of Daniel, some more spectacularly than others. If Daniel Gilmore can break the curse, he may well find himself in the best 22.
^^ Oh dear, Daniel sure has been a curse. Bandy was ok in the best of a very bad group of players there.
prattsta
13 Feb 2008, 12:26
esti, your thread on the curse of the Beacon reminded me of another curse that has been with us since the early days, and one that is the natural enemy of Daniel Gilmore - the Curse of Daniel.
Daniel Parker
Daniel Hargraves
Daniel Schell
Daniel Metropolis
Daniel Bandy
Daniel Haines
All have fallen victim to the Curse of Daniel, some more spectacularly than others. If Daniel Gilmore can break the curse, he may well find himself in the best 22.
Daniel is an awesome name, they just aren't worthy of it's greatness.
DizzyHB
13 Feb 2008, 20:01
Daniel is an awesome name, they just aren't worthy of it's greatness.
Hi Daniel.
estibador
13 Feb 2008, 22:35
Prattsta, please tell me you aren't Daniel Pratt.
Cheetah
13 Feb 2008, 23:55
Daniel Haines was an excellent footballer but unfortunately a cruel run of injuries robbed him of a career at the highest level.
prattsta
14 Feb 2008, 14:40
Prattsta, please tell me you aren't Daniel Pratt.
I'm not Daniel Pratt. Hope making a liar out of me put a smile on your face.
I'm not Daniel Pratt. Hope making a liar out of me put a smile on your face.
Any relation to Luke Pratt?
prattsta
14 Feb 2008, 17:30
Any relation to Luke Pratt?
Nope.